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Offline PheonixStarr

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[IC] CYGNUS — (9/30) Rubber Feet + 2 New Renders!
« on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:35:20 »

/) hi geekhack

This is Cygnus, an f-rowless TKL. It's clean, it's subtle, and it's simple—until you peek inside. The brass plate is suspended in a Kepler-like Poron double gasket mount. The unique mounting complements the plate's extreme cuts—lending a firm response & rich tone to your clack.


     Features

  •  6063-T6 aluminum case; PVD brass weight & plate
  •  Tenkeyless layout lacking the top function row
  •  PVD brass plate, with extensive cutouts and calculated flex profile.
  •  Double gasket mount (dampening & isolation); 1/16"-thick Poron strips
  •  MX-only 1.6mm PCB with ESD, USB-C, and STM32 running QMK & (hopefully) VIA (or possibly a brand spanking new custom firmware)
          •  I've been informed VIA's not taking any more boards. Rip. I'll see if I can get it working.
  •  One RGB LED indicator, representing Caps Lock by default
  •  5.5° typing angle



55 units, FCFS. 10 extra, discounted if B-stock. 3 protos with sandblasted brass & prototype engraving.


                           IC Form




9/30/19
On Rubber Feet and USB Ports...

- Upon advice from Keycult's riotonthebay, the Poron mounting was slightly modified
- Plate redesigned to isolate 60 Set and Nav Cluster.
- CYGNUS as a whole was fine-tuned; many dimensions were minutely changed and the USB port is now a little more sane-looking.

The board also now sports some swanky new rubber feet. What do y'all think?



I'm currently finalizing everything with all my manus (case, packaging, accessories, etc.) All that's left is to finish the PCB.



9/18/19
On MKULTRA and Displacement...

Y'all want some foam? Let's do some foam. I got in touch with the wonderful guy behind MKUltra.click. Each Cygnus will ship with a slice of case foam (below the pcb) and plate foam (between pcb and plate).

Manufacturer (henceforth codenamed CORMORANT) has confirmed & approved the second revision. Speaking of the second revision, let's take a look at the new plate.



Cute, huh? Red signifies the most displacement, while blue is the most rigid. As you can see, the top-bottom mounting system results in a (mostly) horizontally invariant flex profile.



After consulting with my contact at a materials manu (henceforth codenamed LIVERMORE), I selected a Poron formulation which will have a lightweight, non-residuous adhesive applied to one side to keep things in place.



8/11/19
On Layouts and Colors...

- Added split backspace.
- Added Tsangan Winkeyless option for upper assembly.
- Redesigned LED cutout, as requested, to a horizontal line.
- Still no ISO.
- PCB became 1.6mm, since it won't really make a difference toward the flex.
- Enlarged the weight; keeb now weighs 2.0kg.
- Expanded color offerings; Onyx Black and Amethyst purple dropped due to lack of interest.

I've received quotes from the manu; it looks like we'll be able to hit the $400 price point, after all—if not go lower, even!

















Renders



Shown with GTRX's GMK Nord.


I also took the liberty of updating the rather unpopular LED cutout and swapped it for something more like a line, as requested :)







The PVD brass weight displays Nightingale Studio's "Wing" icon.


The flexible brass plate is supported only on the top and bottom—the sides are left suspended. This results in an even, directional flex profile, aligned along the rows.




A quick note on gaskets—I've been asked a few times what sets class materials like Poron and Sorbothane apart from neoprene or silicone.

Mechanical isolation and vibration dampening are two key characteristics of gaskets. Materials like neoprene, silicone, rubber, etc. have excellent isolation properties—they prevent the vibration of the plate from dispersing into the case. They do not, however, dampen very well; that is to say, the isolation is not perfect—some vibration leaks through. That's where Poron and Sorbothane come in—they both isolate the plate well, but they also absorb and dampen the residual shock from typing.

Let me know what you think.
« Last Edit: Mon, 30 September 2019, 03:26:05 by PheonixStarr »

Offline PheonixStarr

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:35:40 »
Reserved.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:38:16 »
Is this using Wakizashi PCB?
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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:38:21 »
So that's where these renders went.
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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:38:59 »
In for plate alone

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:40:14 »
Is this using Wakizashi PCB?

Nah, it's got it's own.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:57:08 »
really makes you think

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:19:10 »
I'm interested; the renders look very nice. Good job!
  • Any chance of getting some precision-cut material between PCB/plate or plate/case?
  • Will there be a daughterboard for USB?
« Last Edit: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:21:34 by sever »

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:28:29 »
I don't usually go for low angles, but I'd def pick this up.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:38:54 »
I like it a lot, you gotta do the teal though. Keep it at 400 if you can and you got a real nice thing going.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:41:16 »
I'm interested; the renders look very nice. Good job!
  • Any chance of getting some precision-cut material between PCB/plate or plate/case?
  • Will there be a daughterboard for USB?

No daughterboard. The USB cutout is enlarged to let the port shift, should the user change the compression. I was entertaining the idea of foam fill—we'll see how it adds up.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:54:42 »
looks a lot like the one biso just prototyped, regardless good layout

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:55:00 »
Looks legit. Colors are top notch.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:56:23 »
No WKL option?
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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 22:01:21 »
Interesting

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 22:24:11 »
Renders make it look so thin, curious to see how it turns out!

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 22:54:43 »
I wouldn't use this myself but I know lots of people would want to use ISO enter. Are you considering adding this as an option? Maybe with another plate if you didnt wan't to change the current enter key on the plate.

Also, any split backspace support?

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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 22:55:39 »
Please add a WKL option  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 23:46:51 »
are there plans for other plate materials?

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 23:58:04 »
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 00:04:47 »
looking good
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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 00:12:03 »
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?

Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 00:23:30 »
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?

Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.

This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?

Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.


Outside of og dyesubs and select pbt sets, you dont face that issue and even then its not a hard fix, can just buy double shot versions of the few keys you relacing since they arent likely to be highly used
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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 01:27:35 »
Superrrrr interested but pls add split bs

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 01:29:46 »
I wouldn't use this myself but I know lots of people would want to use ISO enter. Are you considering adding this as an option? Maybe with another plate if you didnt wan't to change the current enter key on the plate.

Also, any split backspace support?

I'm thinking of offering an ISO-compatible aluminum plate, and also open-sourcing it.

No WKL option?

Please add a WKL option  ;)

okkkkk WKL option avail

are there plans for other plate materials?

Perhaps not. Maybe an aluminum plate, but meh.

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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 01:35:07 »
I would love a rgb per key option, so it can all glow white and make it look even more amazing.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 02:32:29 »
Looks simple yet interesting at the same time. Plus, who needs F keys.... useless keys :P
I like your suggestion to open source and support iso on alu plate, this brings me to my questions;
- is brass the only plate material you're planning to support or will you also consider other types of material? (CF, Poly?)
- ne split backspace avail
- ne WKL blocker avail? (can imagine this not happening since it means actual changes to the physical structure of the board)

And last; is the case going to be high profile enough to cover the switches even with SA caps?

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 04:54:11 »
Looks clean! Nice infographics. Is this the same board from the renders on the GMK Dracula page or were you just inspired by seeing that layout/board?





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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:38:35 »
I wouldn't use this myself but I know lots of people would want to use ISO enter. Are you considering adding this as an option? Maybe with another plate if you didnt wan't to change the current enter key on the plate.

Also, any split backspace support?

I'm thinking of offering an ISO-compatible aluminum plate, and also open-sourcing it.

No WKL option?

Please add a WKL option  ;)

okkkkk WKL option avail

are there plans for other plate materials?

Perhaps not. Maybe an aluminum plate, but meh.
With the brass plate being a feature in the IC why would you relegate any ISO plate options to aluminum instead of keeping them equal with the ANSI brass plate?

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 06:45:09 »
Any option for the sandblasting weight ? I really like this layout but not a big fan of PVD coat

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 07:42:42 »
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?

Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.

This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?

Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.


Outside of og dyesubs and select pbt sets, you dont face that issue and even then its not a hard fix, can just buy double shot versions of the few keys you relacing since they arent likely to be highly used

Hmmm, I’m not quite sure what you mean; my preferred layout would be PgUp, PgDn, Home, End. I haven’t seen any set come with a R3 Home. And yes I suppose if I really wanted to I could just get a special key made for it but I’m still not the biggest fan of it since it’s not like I don’t use PgUp and PgDn or delete.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 13:28:53 »
- is brass the only plate material you're planning to support or will you also consider other types of material? (CF, Poly?)
- ne split backspace avail
- ne WKL blocker avail? (can imagine this not happening since it means actual changes to the physical structure of the board)

And last; is the case going to be high profile enough to cover the switches even with SA caps?

Brass won't be the only one. I'm not big on offering an aluminum plate, bc brass is more popular anyway and adding alu will inflate the kit cost. There will, however, be carbon fiber plates available.

Looks clean! Nice infographics. Is this the same board from the renders on the GMK Dracula page or were you just inspired by seeing that layout/board?

Thanks! It's actually a wild, wild coincidence that there's an frowless tkl on GMK Dracula's page (another IDE theme keyset). I don't keep up with Dracula, and I didn't know the Tickle Wickle existed; I was only informed this morning.

With the brass plate being a feature in the IC why would you relegate any ISO plate options to aluminum instead of keeping them equal with the ANSI brass plate?

I don't particularly want to offer an aluminum option, seeing as it'll inflate kit cost and also alu sux. I suppose I could do an ISO brass plate if the demand was high enough to justify the cost of another CNC component. We'll see how it goes.

Any option for the sandblasting weight ? I really like this layout but not a big fan of PVD coat

The prototypes received will be sandblasted to save cost. If you'd like, we can arrange for me to either: package your keeb with sandblasted proto weight & plate; or reserve a proto for you entirely (at 10% discount).

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 14:17:29 »
Just curious, how many would the GB be limited to :o

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:42:10 »
The Drevo Calibur V1.
This was the layout that got me into mechanical keyboards.

The idea of having that nav cluster and dedicated arrows was amazing. Not knowing much about keycaps and compabilities, I later found myself  in the territory of 65% which uses a non-standard shift key.

I think this layout is quite nice and might attract a lot of new players into the scene, but I'm not so sure seasoned MK elitist would go for this layout since the name of the game is to go as small as you can while optimizing form factor.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 18:14:18 »
I like the look of this and interested to learn more.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 23 July 2019, 10:21:54 »
The colors offered are very nice. Assuming the price is good, this might be a first non-black or grey board for me :p
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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 23 July 2019, 10:45:41 »
me likey! WKL top please  :p
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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 23 July 2019, 11:05:29 »
Beautiful. Definitely interested in WKL. Would you consider adding Split Backspace support though?

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 23 July 2019, 11:24:39 »
Definitely in!

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 28 July 2019, 20:17:00 »
Split backspace support please! Other than that, really digging this



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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 28 July 2019, 23:05:39 »
I've been waiting forever for a  F-Rowless TKL

Few questions

1. Any possibility to remove the name in the back of the baord?
2. Any possibility to re-design the LED? (Possibly like a line instead of a dot to make it not look out of place)
3. Any WKL Renders?
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Love it until it blossoms into the beautiful fully and evenly shined set it has always wanted to be since it saw a shined set on Instagram under the hashtag #perfection.
Support it and maintain it until it will grow into itself and become one with itself. Then you can truly enjoy the typing experience
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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 03:15:13 »
It seems like i'd be interested. :)


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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 07:36:46 »
Can you add renders of the teal with white key caps? Other colors are staples sure, but the purple and teal have lots of potential. I’m interested for sure, but I personally need a windows key, so hopefully it isn’t one or the other.

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 07:45:11 »
Please, please, please add split backspace support. I'd hate not to buy this board because of the lack of it :D

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 09:41:56 »
Very interested in this. Would like to see more wkl renders and more of the purple and teal!

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 10:31:51 »
Would cutting up the ANSI brass plate in-between rows 2 and 3 to make it a universal plate that fits an ISO Enter switch position adversely alter the feel of the flex in the plate?
(Not criticising, just curious. I want to make a run myself some day and I'm fascinated with this trend with flexing keyboards...)

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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 10:42:52 »
2. Any possibility to re-design the LED? (Possibly like a line instead of a dot to make it not look out of place)

This.

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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 29 July 2019, 12:33:18 »
Great color choices and beautiful renders. Gonna have to keep an eye on these

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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 05 August 2019, 21:04:09 »
Any new updates with this?
Once a set shines, it is truly yours. It is then your job to nurture it and care for it.
Love it until it blossoms into the beautiful fully and evenly shined set it has always wanted to be since it saw a shined set on Instagram under the hashtag #perfection.
Support it and maintain it until it will grow into itself and become one with itself. Then you can truly enjoy the typing experience
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Re: [IC] CYGNUS – Double Gasket Mounted Longboi
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 05 August 2019, 21:55:59 »
This is such a cool layout, very interested.