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Offline eniigma

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[IC] POM Alice Case - PCB Info Available!
« on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:26:38 »
Welcome to the interest check for the POM Alice!


I am planning on running a group buy for a TGR Alice-style case laser cut from POM!

I have tried POM cases, and they have a very unique sound (one that goes particularly well with tactiles). The details arenít firm yet, and I am still trying to find out what people want (i.e, color choices, alternate materials), but POM seems to be relatively uncharted territory in this community.

Here are the details:
Laser cut black/white delrin (POM) sheets
MOQ: 25 units
Quantity: unlimited
Includes: POM Alice Case, 3mm POM half plate
Group Buy Date: November 1st, 2019
I will handle orders privately through Geekhack
Price: Dynamic pricing!
0-100 units - $140
100-250 units - $130
250+units - $120
Cost for coned aluminum feet + screws - $12
Additional Fee for White Color - $8

I will also be offering the classic ProjectKeyboard PCBs along with the cases. We will need to hit 50 MOQ for them to be produced, and they will cost $50 each. They will have a black solder mask so they should look good in most acrylic boards too.

This keyboard is using Zambunonís Lubrigante case, which is a slightly more compact version of the Alice, with more refined design (IMO). The picture below is the exact design of the Lubrigante, but made out of acrylic (will attach prototype pictures once it arrives).

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If youíre planning on doing this yourself, I highly recommend picking up a PCB for the Alice (ProjectKeyboard has a GB running right now!).

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The interest check form is down below, feel free to fill it out! Also, I am looking for two or three prototype testers, so anyone interested let me know!

Interest Check Form: https://forms.gle/MrxTbjEQuj9EESMy5

I donít have renders for this (I donít know how to create renders from DXF files, but Iíll attach pictures of the prototype once it gets here), but here is some eye candy of acrylic Alices (use your imagination!).

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Thanks everyone!

Updates:
9/16 - pricing updated
9/28 - Prototype pictures added
« Last Edit: Tue, 01 October 2019, 19:03:47 by eniigma »

Offline iaman

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:32:32 »
Have you done any kind of testing with black delrin and LEDs? The PCB you're talking about has some underglow LEDs and I don't really know what the light diffusion situation is like with black delrin (whereas I know natural delrin has *really good* diffusive properties)

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:33:49 »
I was just looking at R3 and trying to figure out how/where to get the case cut. I would be very interested.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:34:32 »
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:34:58 »
I was just looking at R3 and trying to figure out how/where to get the case cut. I would be very interested.
Good to hear!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:36:09 »
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.

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It's not a primary concern for me either, just wanted to check since I haven't actually seen a black delrin board get floated around before. Good luck with this!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:37:23 »
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.

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If it's multi-layer, I wonder if one of the layers could just be a diffuser layer. RGB isnt a priority for me either though.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:39:21 »
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.

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It's not a primary concern for me either, just wanted to check since I haven't actually seen a black delrin board get floated around before. Good luck with this!
Thanks!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:39:50 »
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.

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If it's multi-layer, I wonder if one of the layers could just be a diffuser layer. RGB isnt a priority for me either though.
That's a interesting idea! I would be interested to know what others think of this as well!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:40:10 »
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.

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If it's multi-layer, I wonder if one of the layers could just be a diffuser layer. RGB isnt a priority for me either though.
That's a interesting idea! I would be interested to know what others think of this as well!

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Maybe have a layer of clear acrylic in there somewhere?

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:41:34 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:42:13 »
Maybe have a layer of clear acrylic in there somewhere?

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Honestly a layer of natural delrin sandwiched between layers of black delrin would make for a really bold aesthetic and natural delrin would do a great job of diffusing and evening-out the light from the uneven spacing of the LEDs on the Alice PCB.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:45:32 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
The case itself will be flat, and so the height/angle will be coming from the coned metal feet. I'm not quite sure what you meant by contouring (sorry), but the key height should be consistent throughout the board.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:47:06 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?

Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:51:10 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?

Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 10:31:12 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?

Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.

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Thanks everyone for explaining.

If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 10:39:22 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?

Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.

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Thanks everyone for explaining.

If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.

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The last image of the white acrylic is awesome. However, I hate the cases that screw from the top. I don't like the visible case screws. I hope you are planning to screw from the bottom. If not, a counter sunk setup with premium quality screw sets with logos would be my choice. Like the screw sets used on rama koyu for example.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 10:58:37 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?

Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.

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Thanks everyone for explaining.

If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.

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The last image of the white acrylic is awesome. However, I hate the cases that screw from the top. I don't like the visible case screws. I hope you are planning to screw from the bottom. If not, a counter sunk setup with premium quality screw sets with logos would be my choice. Like the screw sets used on rama koyu for example.

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I think probably the best option will be to have the screws in the top, but I can explore countersunk holes.

You should be able to put the screws through the bottom as well without any problems, but I would like to keep the hole open all the way through just for the versatility.

Would having the hole go through all the way still irk you?

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:08:09 »
No. Maybe a threaded insert in the top layer and screw through the bottom layer.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:09:11 »
If you're planning on making only 25 units then why not just get them made upfront and sell on r/mm directly or through a webshop?

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:27:38 »
If you're planning on making only 25 units then why not just get them made upfront and sell on r/mm directly or through a webshop?

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25 is a minimum. There will be an unlimited number of units.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:27:46 »
No. Maybe a threaded insert in the top layer and screw through the bottom layer.

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Noted!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:36:35 »
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?

Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.

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Thanks everyone for explaining.

If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.

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The last image of the white acrylic is awesome. However, I hate the cases that screw from the top. I don't like the visible case screws. I hope you are planning to screw from the bottom. If not, a counter sunk setup with premium quality screw sets with logos would be my choice. Like the screw sets used on rama koyu for example.

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I think probably the best option will be to have the screws in the top, but I can explore countersunk holes.

You should be able to put the screws through the bottom as well without any problems, but I would like to keep the hole open all the way through just for the versatility.

Would having the hole go through all the way still irk you?

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Screw sets similar to these. And yes, holes through the top, while not a deciding factor, would irk me if not done with some quality counter sunk screw sets.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:40:38 »
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:46:18 »
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.
You should be able to do whichever you want, but I will have some high quality screws for sure. Now I'm thinking having it screw in through the bottom is a better option.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:46:35 »
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.
That's the conversation right now. lol

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:47:21 »
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.
You should be able to do whichever you want, but I will have some high quality screws for sure. Now I'm thinking having it screw in through the bottom is a better option.

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Yes!! It will definitely give the board a more premium look imo.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:48:57 »
Anything but torx! haha I can never find my set, and when I do, I can never find the right size :(

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:55:19 »
If you hit that 175$ price point this is an easy cop
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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 12:13:07 »
Oh man, with this, GOTHIC70 and the Majapahit Ergo, there are a lot of Alice clones available now!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 12:22:14 »
If you hit that 175$ price point this is an easy cop
Hopefully! I'll try my best, but also want to be cautious as to not sacrifice the quality of the POM.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 12:41:23 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 12:52:45 »
i'm lubed and incredibly ready.
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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 14:00:17 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 14:24:00 »
i'm lubed and incredibly ready.
aren't we all ;^)

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 14:26:19 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
I'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:00:23 »
The v shape is really nice

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:15:13 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
I'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.

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Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want it

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:42:35 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
I'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.

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Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want it

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That's an interesting choice since no one is offering the Alice PCB in a readily available state.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:52:03 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
I'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.

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Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want it

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That's an interesting choice since no one is offering the Alice PCB in a readily available state.

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Currently, there is a group buy going on for PCBs, but I don't trust myself to prototype PCBs so I won't be selling any. Also, a lot of existing Alice owners already have an extra PCB or two and so selling this as a kit could be redundant. 

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:55:04 »
Add an arrow cluster to this.


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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:04:10 »
Add an arrow cluster to this.
Not quite sure about this because one of my main gripes with the OG Alice was the form factor.

That's one of the reasons why I'm using Zambunon's models instead, since it's more compact.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:09:05 »
Thanks everyone for all the support so far!
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:36:09 »
Thanks everyone for all the support so far!
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!

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Add PCB
Offer color options
No diffuse layer
Keep the small form factor

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:39:23 »
Thanks everyone for all the support so far!
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!

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Add PCB
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No diffuse layer
Keep the small form factor

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Thanks!

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:39:48 »
Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:47:11 »
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:

I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
I'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.

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Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want it

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That's an interesting choice since no one is offering the Alice PCB in a readily available state.

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Currently, there is a group buy going on for PCBs, but I don't trust myself to prototype PCBs so I won't be selling any. Also, a lot of existing Alice owners already have an extra PCB or two and so selling this as a kit could be redundant. 

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Just ask Yuktsi for some pcbs and do a limited run instead.

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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:58:05 »
Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)

You do know there is a GB running right now that is exactly that, it's hard to miss because it's the GB from which you took above pictures from, technically.
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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:58:23 »
Ive made quite a few pom alices, and let me tell you, I regret it..  The material is a pain to work with, hard to purchase in usable condition, and the post processing acetal pom requires once it was cut was insane, thats why I quit.

If I can help in anyway please let me know, but my advice would be to get the pom machined out of a solid block, othewise you are going to run into the same issues I did where sourcing material flat enough for the laser could be a problem. 





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Re: [IC] POM Alice Case
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:12:57 »


Ive made quite a few pom alices, and let me tell you, I regret it..  The material is a pain to work with, hard to purchase in usable condition, and the post processing acetal pom requires once it was cut was insane, thats why I quit.

If I can help in anyway please let me know, but my advice would be to get the pom machined out of a solid block, othewise you are going to run into the same issues I did where sourcing material flat enough for the laser could be a problem.

Wow, I was unaware of this! I am going to be sourcing high quality sheets for this, but I had no idea about the flatness issue. Could you send me a DM on Discord (eniigma#0683), or leave your username here?

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