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[IC] En Dash – Old Meets New
« on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:10:48 »
En Dash – Old Meets New






Hey Geeks, I feel like I should introduce myself as this is my first project. I am Would, Australia based graphic designer specialising in type design. I make fonts, and love frying my eyes from staring at a computer screen for too long. Let's get into the business end of this project:

This board is a revival of one of the much loved kustoms - the OTD 360C. Similar aesthetic, build and mounting style but specifically not a clone. While it does draw heavily from the original source I believe that the changes i have made are enough to make it my own. Shifting proportions and updating internals while offering more flexibility in layout. The plate has different mounting points but has all of the Korean flex/consistency cutouts as after all, people do crave the typing experience of a Kustom for a reason. More or less its designed to look and feel like a Kustom that has been given a breath of fresh air. The En Dash is built to fit Hineybush's H88 PCB but will not be released with a plate that has as flexible layout choices. After the group buy is finished i will release plate files so that you can have them made with whatever layout you prefer.



Details

I do already have a prototype in hand. Sadly the quality of the manufacturing left a lot to be desired and I am not comfortable leaving the full run in their hands. I am waiting to hear back on a couple more quotes before i continue with another factory.

Layout: TKL with F13 – Please note this will be available as WKL ONLY to keep things a bit simpler for my sake as a first timer.
Made from Aluminium 6061/6063 (tbd based on final factory) and brass.
Brass will be sandblasted matte and left uncoated to patina – this is my preference when it comes to brass.
H88 Hiney PCB
Prototype has a fixed plate, GB version will have a plate that supports stepped caps, split r-shift and split backspace.
8 degree typing angle
Built weight: 2.5 – 2.8kg
Colours: TBD
Price: TBD
GB DATE: TBD







Heres The Rest of The Album





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31/08/2019
I feel the need to add this comment from later in the thread here.

Hello my friends. This thread has taken a bit of a different direction to what i had hoped. Thank you to those of you that have discussed the topic of whether or not this is clone with cooler heads, whether you are agree or not.

I would like to take a moment to lay out the differences because i think this project is being looked at in the wrong way. I also don't want to become "the clone guy". Perhaps it's my fault for explaining the origins of the project and made the connection too easy to make for those that can only put one thing in the context of another. Im not saying this design is pushing the boundaries of keyboard design: its a two piece, top mount TKL after all.


Mounting

Its a top mount TKL right? I urge you to take a look at any top mounted board you own. This is one of the more "set in stone" things in design in my opinion especially in a top mount. The way my design differs from the 360C is:
  • extra mounting point to be a bit more consistent across the whole board
  • Different screw placement that prioritises support around alphas and corners

What has this achieved? The prototype feels very good to type on. Flex is consistent and enjoyable. Is it different enough from the 360C? No less than any other top mount TKL in my opinion.




Plate Design
Do keep in ming this is the prototype plate, you'll just have to imagine the layout support. How is this different from the 360C?
  • I'll start with an obvious one: its a different layout. F13 means modified flex cutouts around that top portion
  • The flex cutouts look the same. Yes because they're flex cut outs at every opportunity

Side profile
How many times has this side profile been iterated on?



Does that make every two piece board with a flat back and a straight cut out a clone of the first one? Here is a comparison of 360C to En Dash. I would say the 360C is significantly more angular while the curve of the En Dash is more soft and sweeping.




Weight
Yep, it's a rectangle. Heres how my brick of brass is different:
  • the inside is significantly bigger - Why? more surface area of brass inside to improve acoustics as well as provide a little more heft
  • Mounts from the inside for a hidden assembly

I hope this is enough for you sticklers out there. I only ask that rather than getting stuck on the similarities, you look at the differences. A thin bezelled two piece design will look a certain way especially if it's a revival of an old design. If you think it is still too close you are welcome to not support the project.

29/08/2019
Added some additional specs to the description.

27/08/2019
First prototype is in hand – so why arent we in GB already?
WELL I have had some pretty significant issues with manufacturing quality across every piece of my prototype. I want to make sure i only put out something that lives up to this board's inspiration and my standards of what a high end TKL should be. I will not sacrifice the quality of this product and I am currently getting quotes from a few other factories.




Ask me any questions you may have about the project. I love chatting about design but I would prefer to keep all discussion about this design archived here for everyone to see — I am contactable here or on Discord at would#3131

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:17:28 »
our boy :would: is making it big!! :) super proud of the board mate, looks so stunning, everyone's gonna love this ****

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:17:48 »
All In

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:19:48 »
NEED

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:22:40 »
hot

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:31:30 »
En-Nut

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:33:57 »
dang, boy

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:51:40 »
In for GB :D

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:01:51 »
ayyy, we in ic now! gratz would, definitely gonna be picking up one of these :D

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:17:01 »
Count me in!  :eek:

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:26:07 »
Wow. I would buy the f*ck out of this one. Nice work.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:35:57 »
Absolutely stunning! Love the logo as well.
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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 04:24:27 »
let's get this joke out of the way:

full-size em dash when  :thumb:

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 04:29:40 »
interested
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 06:53:18 »
Yes please.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 06:53:31 »
I'm still waiting for the -ut numpad  ;)

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:15:10 »
Would be interested to see pictures of the plate, I'm curious what changes you've made to the mounting points.

What other changes (aside from the F13) did you make to update the internals? Bezels look a little relaxed on the sides, a chamfer instead of fillet?
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:48:51 »
Found some: https://www.flickr.com/photos/183512946@N03/48549127507/in/dateposted/

Even more curious about the "modernization" of the internals now -- it doesn't seem to have more modern conveniences like alignment tabs for the top/bottom, and has a large gap between the case screws.

The mounting points look like they would stiffen the typing feel rather than modernizing it. They are less evenly spaced than the original (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2948/15473988795_e3bbacad8b_h.jpg) and there are more of them (8 vs the original 7).
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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:50:47 »
In for sweet sweet patina

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:54:34 »
Would be interested to see pictures of the plate, I'm curious what changes you've made to the mounting points.

What other changes (aside from the F13) did you make to update the internals? Bezels look a little relaxed on the sides, a chamfer instead of fillet?

Ahh yes this is the photo i was in the process of linking you.
This is about as much as I'm willing to share for the moment. Mounting points are a little more stable in corners and prioritise the alphas a little more, weight is significantly bigger internally to provide more density, screw sizes are larger for a stronger build. This first prototype is missing a couple of features (such as tabs)

When it comes to breaking down what truly differentiates TKLs i believe my changes throughout the entire design process are enough for the En Dash to stand on it's own. My intentions here are not to make a clone by any means. If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:16:21 »
nice.. interested. what does en-dash mean?
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:28:01 »
Pls be in my budget, pls be in my budget, pls be in my budget

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:31:51 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:46:37 »
>This board is a revival of one of the much loved kustoms - the OTD 360C. Similar aesthetic, build and mounting style but specifically not a clone.
>While it does draw heavily from the original source I believe that the changes i have made are enough to make it my own.

Eh not really enough, no.
It's a clone.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:07:16 »
Looks great :D
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:17:41 »
If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

Not trying to be reductive, just looking to know why you made the design decisions you did. Your post talks a big game, and I'm quite interested in the minutae of plate, case, and mounting design  ;)

Also surely you must realize that claiming to base your board on such a high-profile design might incite some skepticism? You're basically aiming as high as you possibly could, with, afaik, not much of an established reputation. My critique and questions are pretty par for the course for someone out of the blue claiming they've improved the Corsa.

Good luck 👍
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:28:40 »
Somehow I'm not in love with the logo tho...

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:50:21 »
Clean design, very bold but simple. I love it! Any plans to do a sub-TKL?

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 12:50:25 »
That's a hot boi
Once a set shines, it is truly yours. It is then your job to nurture it and care for it.
Love it until it blossoms into the beautiful fully and evenly shined set it has always wanted to be since it saw a shined set on Instagram under the hashtag #perfection.
Support it and maintain it until it will grow into itself and become one with itself. Then you can truly enjoy the typing experience
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 16:45:14 »
If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

Not trying to be reductive, just looking to know why you made the design decisions you did. Your post talks a big game, and I'm quite interested in the minutae of plate, case, and mounting design  ;)

Also surely you must realize that claiming to base your board on such a high-profile design might incite some skepticism? You're basically aiming as high as you possibly could, with, afaik, not much of an established reputation. My critique and questions are pretty par for the course for someone out of the blue claiming they've improved the Corsa.

Good luck 👍

My apologies if i jumped a little quickly to being defensive. Thank you for your interest in the design. I do realise this project is ambitious for a first timer but im hoping to put out a product that can match my claims!

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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 17:22:00 »
Gl on the ic would. Hope you sort out manu issues.

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 17:38:01 »
If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

Not trying to be reductive, just looking to know why you made the design decisions you did. Your post talks a big game, and I'm quite interested in the minutae of plate, case, and mounting design  ;)

Also surely you must realize that claiming to base your board on such a high-profile design might incite some skepticism? You're basically aiming as high as you possibly could, with, afaik, not much of an established reputation. My critique and questions are pretty par for the course for someone out of the blue claiming they've improved the Corsa.

Good luck 👍

My apologies if i jumped a little quickly to being defensive. Thank you for your interest in the design. I do realise this project is ambitious for a first timer but im hoping to put out a product that can match my claims!

I mean, the inclusion of the F13 key is already tits, only the Matrix 8XV1.X, DK Saver, & Jane V2 CE (I think those are the only 3 boards) have that in common, and those are big boi boards.

Good luck, I am very much interested in following this project!!
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 17:49:20 »
"En Dash – Modernising Kustoms"

what does modernising mean in this instance? seems like a nice top mount tkl

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 17:50:44 »
can i ask a question? what mounting of this key board? is it top plate? look sweet  :p











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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 18:20:28 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 18:41:15 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

You do know this is Puddsy, yeah? That curmudgeon is satisfied by dissatisfaction

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 22:25:15 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same 🕵️‍♂️

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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 07:57:23 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same 🕵️‍♂️

Unless you are Gray Studios

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 11:19:51 »
Looks clean and awesome good luck would!  :D

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 11:48:54 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same 🕵️‍♂️
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
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[IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:26:22 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:35:51 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s
Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:44:27 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s
Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.
Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:53:57 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s
Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.
Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!
You're joking, but you'd be kidding yourself to think that people wouldn't buy the hell out of that if everything was the same as R1 besides the OG designer. We can go back and forth talking about pseudo ethics, but people with the means to do things like copy limit works should do it and shut one of us up with the results. Until then, everything is just banter... but I guess we can find out with the end result from the En-Dash
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:54:32 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s
Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.
Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

good strawman, useless addition but ok lol

yea a lot of the TKLs look the same, because they are all pretty much the same given layout and function. there are only so many ways to design a rectangle with the same switch layout, especially when the custom TKL aesthetic has been refined as much as it has been. so many kustom-inspired TKLs looking the same is literally the point of them. as many makers are moving towards lower-quantity runs, having lots of low-quantity TKLs that are relatively similar is better than not having any at all. if you'd prefer to have TKLs that do not look similar, feel free to design them yourself and do your own buys :)

i endorse this, i like seeing new designers making stuff. especially when said stuff uses my PCBs ;)
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:05:18 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice
hurts me to say it but i agree with mr pudds

i think you did well with the externals but talking up the internals when that plate design is nothing new is a little odd to me
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:19:07 »
for the record

1) i agree with hiney

2) where did i say it was bad?
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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:14:26 »
>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same
Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol
If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s
Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.
Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 23:20:29 »
I would really like to buy this keyboard that looks like a keyboard. I dig the logo, nice work OP!

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Re: [IC] En-Dash – Modernising Kustoms
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 29 August 2019, 05:54:44 »
I WOULD like to get one

okok sorry lmao