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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 11:46:42 »
Could i ask what the expected front height is please?


It comes in just under 18mm (17.89 to be exact)  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:05:00 »
I believe we can start calling the aesthetic of Jae’s boards, the JaestheticTM.  Looks wonderful.  Can’t wait to see and hear the prototype.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:10:21 »
I believe we can start calling the aesthetic of Jae’s boards, the JaestheticTM.  Looks wonderful.  Can’t wait to see and hear the prototype.
Jae + chunk = Junky or maybe Jaenk

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:18:36 »
Looks great! Those orange renders are amazing.

What's the reason for not having an upper-right key? Would love a standard layout or something special to go in that corner.
I'm probably the minority here, but I prefer no key there for one actually practical reason:
When I need to delete text, I tend to just throw my finger to the upper left for Backspace without looking.
This often backfires when I use a 65% because I sometimes hit the key to the right of Backspace instead.
A logo there would be nice too.

This is good point. I do the same thing. The problem for me is that I also don't like the way those corner badges look. Conflicted, but agree with you.

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« Reply #54 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:24:06 »
Following this one with interest. Looking forward to build streams and design iteration.

Very much appreciate inclusion of ESD protection, as well as the fact that you call it out as a feature.

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« Reply #55 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:25:55 »
Corner logo would be dope

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« Reply #56 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:26:08 »
Maybe bezels seem large for the first sight, but the beautifully curved bottom, chamfers and rounded corners make the design aesthetic and easy to the eye.

And of course I'm pretty curious about the typing feel of the magnetic mount.

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« Reply #57 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:32:15 »
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We have completed multiple iterations of the board, and some working examples of how the mounting will work. Whilst there is too many iterations to share in the IC..
Could you share at least one of them? In my opinion two wooden boards in a weird perspective and in gif form isn't a great format how to show a proof of concept.

Also how do you plan to even out the force that's applied on sides and corners of the board?

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..believe in the potential of this board to deliver a new and innovative solution to the market..
What's the problem with just gasket mounts, and what's problem are you trying to solve?

I don't mean to sound too negative or skeptical but I personally don't see the usefulness of magnets, though I would love to see the prototype!

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« Reply #58 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:39:21 »
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We have completed multiple iterations of the board, and some working examples of how the mounting will work. Whilst there is too many iterations to share in the IC..
Could you share at least one of them? In my opinion two wooden boards in a weird perspective and in gif form isn't a great format how to show a proof of concept.

Also how do you plan to even out the force that's applied on sides and corners of the board?

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..believe in the potential of this board to deliver a new and innovative solution to the market..
What's the problem with just gasket mounts, and what's problem are you trying to solve?

I don't mean to sound too negative or skeptical but I personally don't see the usefulness of magnets, though I would love to see the prototype!
Well in my opinion this hobby is just chasing the useless and novelty. There is no real use for a gasket in a keyboard but we enjoy it. I think magnets will just be another step for us to get even cooler stuff!

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:50:10 »
I was wondering when someone would bring out a magnet held plate... interested

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« Reply #60 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:04:10 »
You already know this is going to be hype.

Count me in!

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« Reply #61 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:44:09 »
I was wondering when someone would bring out a magnet held plate... interested

It's fun, because I'm not actually a huge fan of magnet held cases, but magnetic floating plates? Where do I sign up!

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« Reply #62 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:50:18 »
It'd be awesome to have a small symbol representative of loadstone somewhere on here, like the ancient chinese compass (han dynasty)

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Normally not huge on symbols or stamps, but there's just so much history behind loadstones. They're just so important to the development of the world, honestly.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:16:10 »
Really cool concept looking forward to seeing the protos before I judge it. Though, I will say that having a corner blocker without any logo or anything there kinda looks weird. I would rather actually have something there, or just put a key there instead. Something about it being blank, in addition to the large bezels just seems a bit weird to me.
 

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« Reply #64 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:24:19 »
Wow, this thing is really cool!

Will different strength magnets be available as options to customize the feel, or perhaps will the magnets be a standard off-the-shelf part so that would be possible?

Also, I was curious if you had any estimate on how much force it takes to bottom the plate out? It's kinda hard to tell how hard it's being pressed in the proof of concept.

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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:26:04 »
Very interesting concept. Given how popular split backspace is on 65% boards (and in general), will this board have a split backspace option? Either in the form of a fixed plate, or as an option on the existing ANSI plate.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:39:33 »
Would love to see it at a lower type angle like 3-5°.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:11:54 »
Really cool concept looking forward to seeing the protos before I judge it. Though, I will say that having a corner blocker without any logo or anything there kinda looks weird. I would rather actually have something there, or just put a key there instead. Something about it being blank, in addition to the large bezels just seems a bit weird to me.

Blocker is likely to go tbh - if you see the plate file it has a key there.

Very interesting concept. Given how popular split backspace is on 65% boards (and in general), will this board have a split backspace option? Either in the form of a fixed plate, or as an option on the existing ANSI plate.
Layout choices not fully decided as yet - but I'll def keep it in mind.

Would love to see it at a lower type angle like 3-5°.

Its 7 degrees at the min - I wouldnt want to go below 5. Any changes will be made based on the Proto

Wow, this thing is really cool!

Will different strength magnets be available as options to customize the feel, or perhaps will the magnets be a standard off-the-shelf part so that would be possible?

Also, I was curious if you had any estimate on how much force it takes to bottom the plate out? It's kinda hard to tell how hard it's being pressed in the proof of concept.

Will likely keep it as one set of magnets - pre installed. Given how easy it is to install magnets in the wrong orientation, they would be pre-fitted for convenience.

As part of the proto process we will show bottom out forces etc.


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:42:22 »
Definitely Interested in being part of the trial run, if the costs are suitable.

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« Reply #69 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:54:59 »

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 17:55:18 »
This is so rad

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 18:27:52 »
Wouldn't you need a fully loaded plate + actual typing to be a proper "proof of concept"? The weight of a piece of wood with 1 finger pressing down surely is nothing in comparison to real-world typing demo?
I love the idea & design though & I hope you manage to make it work on a functional plate with switches etc.

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« Reply #72 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 18:42:32 »
Wouldn't you need a fully loaded plate + actual typing to be a proper "proof of concept"? The weight of a piece of wood with 1 finger pressing down surely is nothing in comparison to real-world typing demo?
I love the idea & design though & I hope you manage to make it work on a functional plate with switches etc.
They said they'd post stuff when the prototypes were in.

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« Reply #73 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 19:53:00 »
Damn this is a really interesting concept! Hope everything goes smoothly and we can get a gb.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 00:46:15 »
Thicc. Orange. Magnets.

I think I’m in love.

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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 01:43:48 »
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« Reply #76 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 01:58:46 »
I on the other hand don't really care about the magnetic mount system, but I'd get it for the design only.

So few options out there for few of us who like bezels.

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« Reply #77 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 02:08:34 »
Interest sparked.

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« Reply #78 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 03:30:08 »
This looks really interesting. I like  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 05:34:21 »
I on the other hand don't really care about the magnetic mount system, but I'd get it for the design only.

So few options out there for few of us who like bezels.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 06:05:38 »
What about an encoder at the top blocker?

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 06:55:51 »
What about an encoder at the top blocker?

No - the blocker will likely be removed in favour of a switch. But I wouldnt want to put a rotary encoder on this particular design

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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 08:01:20 »
Love the concept and your work always seems top notch!
Too bad mechanical watches and strong magnetic fields dont mix well otherwise I would love to join.

The growing diversity is only going to grow the hobby even more!  :thumb:

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 09:00:16 »
Magnets AND carbon fibre?

Nice...

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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 14:49:35 »
The "initial" colors look cool as well!
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:19:58 »
Love the concept and your work always seems top notch!
Too bad mechanical watches and strong magnetic fields dont mix well otherwise I would love to join.

The growing diversity is only going to grow the hobby even more!  :thumb:

Doesn’t it take like a more powerful magnet to interfere with electronics though? Like an electromagnet?

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« Reply #86 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 03:55:04 »
A mechanical watch, either hand wound or automatic has no electronic parts.
But certain elements of the movement, e.g. the hairspring can get magnetized which results in the watch speeding up or running irregular.
For most current watches these magnets shouldnt be able to magnetize the watch, but vintage watches with worn down plating might get affected.

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« Reply #87 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:17:38 »
Love the concept and your work always seems top notch!
Too bad mechanical watches and strong magnetic fields dont mix well otherwise I would love to join.

The growing diversity is only going to grow the hobby even more!  :thumb:

Doesn’t it take like a more powerful magnet to interfere with electronics though? Like an electromagnet?
Mechanical watches are more fragile.
Speakers' magnets are mostly fine, but it's been reported that the magnets inside laptop lids (to keep them tightly close) can stop a watch cold if it's put directly on the lid.
No problem if the watch is on your hand though.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #88 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:21:53 »
A mechanical watch, either hand wound or automatic has no electronic parts.
But certain elements of the movement, e.g. the hairspring can get magnetized which results in the watch speeding up or running irregular.
For most current watches these magnets shouldnt be able to magnetize the watch, but vintage watches with worn down plating might get affected.

... I have to admit, I read your first post as “mechanical switches” 🙈
Thank you though this was very illuminating.

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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #89 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 13:50:48 »
The top blocker was a miss communication turns out we each thought the other wanted it  :-[ .

The order for the prototype has been changed and I've done a few renders sans blocker for all the blockerphobes out there.





I prefer it like this too, other tops have been discussed, but we need to make sure everything else is working before trying to iterate purely on the design aesthetic.
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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 15:45:09 »
Those renders look great to me.
Looking forward to seeing how the prototype turns out.

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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:58:35 »
The new renders with the key there looks lot better. Lot more excited for this board now.
 

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« Reply #92 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 17:17:48 »
Would you consider using a more traditional 1.25–1.25–1.25–6.25–1.25–1.25 bottom row instead of 1.5–1–1.5–7–1.5? The lack of a second right-hand modifier key is a big turn-off for me, and is the main reason why I didn't jump on some notable 65% boards that I otherwise liked (Koyu springs to mind).
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« Reply #93 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:28:04 »
Love the new no blocker renders!

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« Reply #94 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:29:23 »
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The lack of a second right-hand modifier key is a big turn-off for me, and is the main reason why I didn't jump on some notable 65% boards that I otherwise liked
Ditto. As an Adobe Creative Cloud user I just can't imagine having a board without the right-hand side ctrl and alt keys.
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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:30:49 »
Would you consider using a more traditional 1.25–1.25–1.25–6.25–1.25–1.25 bottom row instead of 1.5–1–1.5–7–1.5? The lack of a second right-hand modifier key is a big turn-off for me, and is the main reason why I didn't jump on some notable 65% boards that I otherwise liked (Koyu springs to mind).


Most likely. It’s usually my preferred layout for 65s as well. We will have an updated set of layouts for the PCB in due course. So feedback like this is invaluable.


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Re: [IC] Lodestone - a Gasket and MagLev mount 65%
« Reply #96 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:37:28 »
I love everything about this board. Big bezels are really cool, the base is super nice (Kepler vibes), and the magnets????? Instant-buy. I'm sure it will be difficult to get into the small first run of 50 people. Have you guys considered doing a raffle or making it a larger run?

Also has the effect of magnet on the PCB been analyzed? A still magnet next to the circuit I'm sure won't be a big deal, but what if the user is heavy handed and moves the plate up an down a lot during use? That moving magnetic field might induct a current into the circuit if it's near enough right?

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« Reply #97 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 19:26:18 »
This concept sounds incredible. Can't wait to hear how the prototype will sound.

Please be kind enough for some sound comparisons between Lodestone and a more typically mounted board if possible. :thumb:

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« Reply #98 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 00:22:56 »
Beautiful board and with ISO support 😍 Would love one of these in white to go with my GMK Copper set 😁

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« Reply #99 on: Wed, 19 February 2020, 02:42:00 »
Perfecto!  ;D
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