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Offline Primatech

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[IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:09:56 »



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Primatech x Void - Lisa
Please fill the interest check form: https://forms.gle/HnpkbuZKWjZFtJhb7



Hello, geekhack! This is JayP from Primatech proudly presenting our first keyboard, Lisa.
Lisa is a 65% alice-like top mount board made out of bent steel. The board is designed in collaboration with Smol from Void Case.



Details:

  • 2mm steel top and bottom
  • 1.5mm steel plate powdercoated in black, Black FR4 plate as an option
  • Powdercoated body, black or white
  • Top mount
  • 5 degree typing angle
  • Custom PCB with USB-C by Ergorius













Updates:

  • interest check started [25/2/2020]
  • interest check form added [29/2/2020]
  • arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added. [03/03/2020]

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:20:52 »
Looks interesting! I'd personally prefer separated arrow keys, i think it looks cleaner

Best of luck!

Offline Primatech

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:21:40 »
Looks interesting! I'd personally prefer separated arrow keys, i think it looks cleaner

Best of luck!

Much appreciated!

Offline KingOfMemes

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:22:44 »
This looks interesting. TBH I'm probably not in simply because I don't need the arrow keys, but I still want to follow this project closely and see how the bent steel turns out. Good luck, it looks like an incredible concept and keyboard

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:28:00 »
Woo! Looks awesome from what I can see. Looking forward to seeing the progress made on this board. May pick it up when it drops.
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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:45:58 »
Looks like this might be my first Alice-like! Very good looking.
Iíd just wish it had the extra B at the right cause with my first split I discovered Iím a right-B kind of typist.

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:48:58 »
Looks like this might be my first Alice-like! Very good looking.
Iíd just wish it had the extra B at the right cause with my first split I discovered Iím a right-B kind of typist.

This is still a consideration! Will likely be polled in the near future.  ;)

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:49:57 »
any ballpark price estimates?

Offline Primatech

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:55:46 »
any ballpark price estimates?

Estimated at sub $200 for the kit. More info soon.

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:06:32 »
Just when I thought I had missed my shot with every Alice-like in recent times, this comes along to brighten my day.

Personally wish the extra B on the right side. That function key spot is perfect, sad to not see it here.

Additionally, the this one might be hard but.. any way we can line up the middle bolts with the crevice splitting the board in the middle? that offset is killing me, even though I can see it's just keeping the symmetry with the bolts themselves.

Definitely will be keeping an eye out for this one!

(Any goals as far as timelines go for this board?)

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:11:05 »
Just when I thought I had missed my shot with every Alice-like in recent times, this comes along to brighten my day.

Personally wish the extra B on the right side. That function key spot is perfect, sad to not see it here.

Additionally, the this one might be hard but.. any way we can line up the middle bolts with the crevice splitting the board in the middle? that offset is killing me, even though I can see it's just keeping the symmetry with the bolts themselves.

Definitely will be keeping an eye out for this one!

(Any goals as far as timelines go for this board?)

Short term timeline for the board is to run an interest check form within the next few days, as suggestions for improvement come in. (right side B will be part of the poll for sure)
We aim to have the prototypes ordered within the next 2 weeks.

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Re: Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:18:30 »
That's the best part about bent steel. The price.

I'd love a unique mounting style tho. Really what's missing from the Alice line honestly.
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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 19:33:59 »
Interested!

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 20:48:16 »
looks clean, will definately be interested

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 20:51:42 »
+1 for separated arrow keys

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 03:48:18 »
Been keeping an eye out for Alice style boards with arrows so this may be a pickup depending on the pricepoint.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 05:25:49 »
I'd be in for exactly this layout (plate looks like it's already supporting split backspace), strongly against a second B. I also don't think separated arrows would look better for this particular keyboard.

Offline Ruffles

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 05:55:02 »
+1 for second B and separated arrow keys! So excited for this!

Offline hikashi1988

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 06:04:20 »
without the extra B button, really reminds me of Arisu

Offline danieljgrouse

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 13:33:08 »
I'd also love to see the arrow keys separated. Any chance of plates made of materials other than steel? A plastic/FR-4 plate would help the sound profile (which is the one downside of steel) without a considerable increase in price.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 14:22:11 »
I strongly encourage counter sunk screws on this case.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 19:10:58 »
+1 for separated arrows, a B key on the right, and plate options. Any chance of variations in bottom row layouts?

Offline FinalEleven

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 21:46:47 »
This gives me more arisu vibes than anything....I'm super interested in it though.

+1 for seperated arrows as well.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 26 February 2020, 21:56:06 »
Looks great. Any chance there will be more color options?
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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 26 February 2020, 22:31:41 »
I'm always skeeved out by new runners but I like the design.
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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:58:52 »
+1 for extra B.

-1 for separated arrows.

More colour options?

Offline TheCaptainTim

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 00:44:28 »
I absolutely love this, but I am also team two B's.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 01:10:09 »
Very interesting


I've learned away from 65% because if the cluster being moved to the right hand side which cuts into my mouse space. I've often wondered what this layout would like like with the arrows and three keys on the left hand side haha

Offline nickaster1

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 08:42:09 »
Very nice design. Iíve been digging the industrial design ever since the skb series. Hope everything works out as planned. Really hope I could get in

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 09:22:19 »
I like the arrows as is. Cool design, it's really the only Alice-esque board I've found interesting.
« Last Edit: Thu, 27 February 2020, 11:05:14 by Vigrith »

Offline TheBlackHammer

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 09:24:39 »
I also like the arrows how they are. I just really want this to run!


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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 16:01:47 »
have bin looking for a new 65%. all my boards are now 65% hahah.. Also like the bent steel approach don't know how the sound will be.
But the price would probably make this a good board to give a good try..
Personally this would be a toss up between this board and the one shown on KBDfans.. here is a pic .
only thing that isn't right about that is that the fn key needs to be swapped with the n key..
Also on that board i would add a key next to the Control key to close that gap a bit between the arrow cluster and the main part..
And i would put two larger keys in the middle to function as the space and all the rest of the keys on the side of that..
To sum up little changes i would love to see in a split 65%...
Good luck with it .. will be keeping a close watch..

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 16:19:03 »
The top mount and 5 degree angle has got me interested in this board. Hopefully, it won't be too expensive. If it is, I won't buy it.  ;)

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 19:07:50 »
The top mount and 5 degree angle has got me interested in this board. Hopefully, it won't be too expensive. If it is, I won't buy it.  ;)
Hoping they can keep the sub 200 price point!


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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 20:40:16 »
I've been waiting for an affordable board to try out the Alice layout; looks like this might be it.

+1 for countersunk screws
+1 for extra B
Indifferent on the isolated arrow cluster

Also, please consider splitting the left side space bar to add a 1u key on the inside

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 02:10:09 »
Interest check form added! https://forms.gle/HnpkbuZKWjZFtJhb7

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 05:43:51 »
Looks great. Happy to see arrow keys. Will this be another limited GB?

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« Reply #37 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 05:53:13 »
it looks like its gonna be very hollow and not very heavy, is that true?

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 08:00:24 »
Looks great. Happy to see arrow keys. Will this be another limited GB?

GB will be unlimited.

it looks like its gonna be very hollow and not very heavy, is that true?

It is 2mm steel and weighs approximately 1.8 kilograms unbuilt. So would say that it's untrue.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 12:49:38 »
Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?

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« Reply #40 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 13:32:20 »
Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?
+1 on the plate foam.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 14:25:14 »
Love this. Looks clean. Hopefully there will be enough units made.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 01 March 2020, 01:58:13 »
Stunning looking board! The rectangular shape of the board and the spacious top really drives it home! Though I think it would be better if you can somehow not have the screws on the top, so it would look a lot cleaner. Also, such an open, spacious looking keyboard would really be nice to have logos/design/external weights! Layout wise, I agree with the separated arrow keys. I am windows key user, but I think the WKL here makes more sense. BTW, will it support split backspace?

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:26:40 »
Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?

Foam will be taken into consideration as an extra.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:27:49 »
Stunning looking board! The rectangular shape of the board and the spacious top really drives it home! Though I think it would be better if you can somehow not have the screws on the top, so it would look a lot cleaner. Also, such an open, spacious looking keyboard would really be nice to have logos/design/external weights! Layout wise, I agree with the separated arrow keys. I am windows key user, but I think the WKL here makes more sense. BTW, will it support split backspace?

Split backspace is supported.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 01 March 2020, 15:01:15 »
Hey, can you just make b on both sides! Vhange design a bit and make on both

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[IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 06:47:50 »
Filled the form.

Having owned an SKB I'm also voting for foam to put in between the pcb and plate, and would like to see the option to have the FR4 plate as a primary plate or have the option to use it instead of the steel plate. One of the main reasons I sold my SKB was that even with foam almost everywhere, I simply couldn't make it feel nice with the steel plate.

Edit; some more explanation on that part.
Steel is, imo, very rigid and unforgiving. Both in feel and sound and imho only suitable for tactile switches. FR4 plate as an option is nice but increases the price. Having the option to choose FR4 for a premium without needing to buy the steel will still increase the price but wonít leave buyers with an extra plate theyíll never use.
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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 06:56:53 »
Filled the form.

Having owned an SKB I'm also voting for foam to put in between the pcb and plate, and would like to see the option to have the FR4 plate as a primary plate or have the option to use it instead of the steel plate. One of the main reasons I sold my SKB was that even with foam almost everywhere, I simply couldn't make it feel nice with the steel plate.
+1 on having the fr4 plate as a primary option.

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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 07:29:20 »
Maybe even offer nylon plates? I hear that eliminates a lot of ping etc. But from a logistical point might be a challenge?


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Re: [IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 11:44:43 »
Cute. I also wanted to get into some Alice style boards, but missed most of the runs. This would be nice.