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Offline antcrm

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Offline HoodrowThrillson

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:47:14 »
"This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy ."

Ah yes, only to influencers
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Offline Gondolindrim

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:50:42 »
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« Last Edit: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:51:53 by Gondolindrim »
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Offline ThereminGoat

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:53:29 »
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .

How about no?

Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
« Last Edit: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:58:19 by ThereminGoat »

Offline JinDevil

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:57:07 »
I am eligible to get a spot right? /s

Offline SolidCactus

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[IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:57:12 »
I’m loving that blue and white combo! Very nice

Only 10 spots is unfortunate though.

Offline audax989

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:57:39 »
Here I’ll take my L now.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:01:47 »
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Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy

Finally a legit reason to flood.


Sorry but f**k no

Offline kk73715

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:10:58 »
alright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.

what am I buying?

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:11:08 »
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy

 :-X

Offline zekth

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:14:36 »
alright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.

what am I buying?



RIP

Offline VXQN

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:20:57 »
Hey guys I'm selling a keyboard but only to people with 10x the amount of posts I have.

Is this a masterful troll post?

Offline Allkchi

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:25:06 »
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .

 :rolleyes:

I think this board is gorgeous and I do want one, but this ain't it.

Offline synthtastic

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:26:15 »
Quick! Start spamming other threads so you can reach the coveted Geekhack influencer / experienced forum dweller status!

Offline Gondolindrim

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:26:34 »
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .

How about no?

Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.

Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.



It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.

Exhibit 1

The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.

Exhibit 2

Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:

"Why limited 10pcs?
-   We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea
"

Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:

"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a  team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"

Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.

So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.

And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU

Exhibit 3

This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product which not only tells us you are a douchebag but also points towards the fact you don't trust your product. You might want to clarify the reason for that, but my money is on it's simply not a good product.

The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamer's fault, but to the audience's that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype". This has a double negative effect: on the community side, it has generated a downwards spiral of flipping and over-hyping that has made aftermarket nearly impossible to get into, constraining people into either getting at GB, paying three times the price after they are delivered, or simply enver getting the keyboard they want. What if I don't want to pay 2k USD for a good 65% keyboard? From a designer's perspective, the fact the community is enabling bad designers by buying their objectively bad but hyped keyboards while willing to pay hideous amounts of money in the aftermarket for the very same bad-but-hyped products make good-intentioned and community-invested designers to either stop designing, keep putting out the same stuff over and over, or simply having their interest dwindle. And all of this has made the community overly competitive and toxic because people are frustrated. Also because people are a-holes in the interwebz.

Not only that, your sentence sounds gatekeepy, elitist and we don't want this here. If you want exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity, get the crap out and never come back. We want people to have nice keyboards. Having open-sourced my stuff and tried out of my heart to popularize keyboard design and make it more accessible to aspiring designers, this sentence offends me personally.

Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally. They order prototypes even before the IC and sometimes revamp the whole thing just because of feedback; take Sagittarius for example. Not only that, many of these designers were beaten out of existence because they at some point slipped with our community. This that you are doing is outright disrespect and we will not take it.

Final thoughts

Don't buy this. This is totally wrong, this post should be re-written and we should combat this mentality that pretty=good.



EDITs: corrections and minor addittions
« Last Edit: Wed, 09 December 2020, 13:23:14 by Gondolindrim »
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Offline holer

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:27:33 »
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .

How about no?

Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.

Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.

Show Image

Show Image

It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.

Exhibit 1

The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.

Exhibit 2

Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:

"Why limited 10pcs?
-   We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea
"

Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:

"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a  team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"

Which is dated may 19, 2020. So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.

And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU

Exhibit 3

This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product.

The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamers fault, but to the audience that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype".

Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally.

Final thoughts
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Well said - I couldn`t agree more!

Offline kk73715

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:30:22 »
alright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.

what am I buying?

Show Image


RIP

Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:

1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?

Offline soran

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:52:44 »
Thank mr Gondo, summed up well.

Offline Euro

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:53:15 »
Hello! I think you forgot to include the punchline in the IC, that GB requirement isn't for real right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Offline fishbiscuit13

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 08:59:11 »



Guess you won’t be getting one then.

Offline mustardgreens

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:07:12 »
Don't buy this. This is totally wrong
 

strongly agree

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:14:08 »
does this mean i can buy it 58 times
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Offline of_sam

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:16:50 »
"Why limited 10pcs?
-   We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea
"

Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:

"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a  team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"

Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.

So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.

And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU
OP is "NizKeyboard". You can take a look at his storefront to see the garbage he sells. Unfortunately it looks like this is the way of the future for this community. We can hardly fault the OP for this though. Not to drag him into this, but with how easy it is to get your POS keyboard on Nathan's stream for a sponsored segment, more and more people will come out of the woodwork to try to make a quick buck. We are going to be seeing more and more sh*t like this unfortunately.

Offline JoltFX

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:21:29 »
As long as the veterans like those that have posted continue to make these things clear for us noobs I’ll happily boycott for the sake of preserving the community


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Offline Suli

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:27:38 »
I agree with everyone above. Also, these keycaps in the renders are kinda off...

Offline kk73715

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:29:09 »
Quote
OP is "NizKeyboard". You can take a look at his storefront to see the garbage he sells.

May I ask how you know these are the same people?

This is the profile (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65226)

From a brief look, they are running another IC now (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109635.msg2980689#top). The IC format definitely looks the same so it is suspicious.

Offline of_sam

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:38:44 »
Quote
OP is "NizKeyboard". You can take a look at his storefront to see the garbage he sells.

May I ask how you know these are the same people?

This is the profile (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65226)

From a brief look, they are running another IC now (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109635.msg2980689#top). The IC format definitely looks the same so it is suspicious.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:39:31 »
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:41:08 »
257489-0

hmm hmm hmm...

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:00:27 »
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB

post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:18:36 »
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB

post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another

I think he means, if you are gatekeeping out right the IC, just do a private GB
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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:24:29 »
bring back the peppa pig keyboard

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:27:05 »
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB

post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another

You mean like this poster?

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:28:26 »
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .

How about no?

Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.

Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.

Show Image

Show Image

It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.

Exhibit 1

The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.

Exhibit 2

Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:

"Why limited 10pcs?
-   We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea
"

Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:

"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a  team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"

Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.

So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.

And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU

Exhibit 3

This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product which not only tells us you are a douchebag but also points towards the fact you don't trust your product. You might want to clarify the reason for that, but my money is on it's simply not a good product.

The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamers fault, but to the audience that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype". This has in turn generated a downwards spiral of flipping and over-hyping that has made aftermarket nearly impossible to get into, constraining people into either getting at GB or never get the board they want. Or pay three times the price after they are delivered. What if I don't want to pay 2k USD for a 65% keyboard? And this has made the community overly competitive and toxic because people are frustrated. Also because people are a-holes in the interwebz.

Not only that, your sentence sounds gatekeepy, elitist and we don't want this here. If you want exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity, get the crap out and never come back. We want people to have nice keyboards. Having open-sourced my stuff and tried out of my heart to popularize keyboard design and make it more accessible to aspiring designers, this sentence offends me personally.

Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally. They order prototypes even before the IC and sometimes revamp the whole thing just because of feedback; take Sagittarius for example. Not only that, many of these designers were beaten out of existence because they at some point slipped with our community. This that you are doing is outright disrespect and we will not take it.

Final thoughts

Don't buy this. This is totally wrong, this post should be re-written and we should combat this mentality that pretty=good.

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I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with Gondo's sentiment. I feel like this should be a copy pasta

Offline Amuaisi

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:55:00 »
I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here, but:

What makes someone with more than 1000 followers (or more than 200 posts) more worthy than others to own this board? I can almost see the argument 'Someone with more Geekhack posts would likely be more experienced with customs and thus more able to appreciate the nuance of this custom'. I don't agree with this metric, nor that this makes someone more 'worthy' of a board, but I could at least connect the dots.

But having 1000+ followers doesn't... say anything about experience other than that the person is able to produce good content and possibly build hype. There is no benefit (that I can see) to selling this specific board to enthusiasts with more followers. If the purpose is to ensure exposure and therefore sales, there are only 10 units. It was highly likely that your board was going to be bought. The only thing we could achieve is bloating after-market value, to no advantage to you. If the purpose is only for the hype, hype will build as long as the exclusive board feels somewhat attainable, and at 10 units, hype has very little space to build.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:09:08 »
Why limited 10pcs?
-   We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea

I just re - read this whole thread again for fun, and when i re - read this line I actualled lol'd. Way to dodge your own question OP

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:11:42 »
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB

post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:32:20 »
Tihi. 

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:35:29 »
Tihi.

also by the metrics laid out in this post i could buy this board but apiary couldn't, which is hilarious
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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:48:47 »


If I'm very active in a different forum can I have one
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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:16:31 »


Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB

post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another

I think he means, if you are gatekeeping out right the IC, just do a private GB

To an extent, moreso because it's obvious that he wants people with influence in the community to get their hands on it (hence the social media requirements). Might as well just do a private GB and contact people you know would spread the word at that point.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:17:40 »
I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here, but:

What makes someone with more than 1000 followers (or more than 200 posts) more worthy than others to own this board? I can almost see the argument 'Someone with more Geekhack posts would likely be more experienced with customs and thus more able to appreciate the nuance of this custom'. I don't agree with this metric, nor that this makes someone more 'worthy' of a board, but I could at least connect the dots.

But having 1000+ followers doesn't... say anything about experience other than that the person is able to produce good content and possibly build hype. There is no benefit (that I can see) to selling this specific board to enthusiasts with more followers. If the purpose is to ensure exposure and therefore sales, there are only 10 units. It was highly likely that your board was going to be bought. The only thing we could achieve is bloating after-market value, to no advantage to you. If the purpose is only for the hype, hype will build as long as the exclusive board feels somewhat attainable, and at 10 units, hype has very little space to build.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.

Agreed, how does # of Geekhack posts gauge experience? I rarely comment here and only recently started doing so, but have been in the hobby for 2 years now...


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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:18:03 »
Damn. OP won't be able to buy his own board.
Gondo pretty much summed everything up.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:19:53 »
how does # of Geekhack posts gauge experience?

it doesn't

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:24:08 »
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If I'm very active in a different forum can I have one

4chan and hentai websites don't count.
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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:32:58 »
You know, I'm not for bullying but there's always an exception. This IC is that exception.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:33:08 »
I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here, but:

What makes someone with more than 1000 followers (or more than 200 posts) more worthy than others to own this board? I can almost see the argument 'Someone with more Geekhack posts would likely be more experienced with customs and thus more able to appreciate the nuance of this custom'. I don't agree with this metric, nor that this makes someone more 'worthy' of a board, but I could at least connect the dots.

But having 1000+ followers doesn't... say anything about experience other than that the person is able to produce good content and possibly build hype. There is no benefit (that I can see) to selling this specific board to enthusiasts with more followers. If the purpose is to ensure exposure and therefore sales, there are only 10 units. It was highly likely that your board was going to be bought. The only thing we could achieve is bloating after-market value, to no advantage to you. If the purpose is only for the hype, hype will build as long as the exclusive board feels somewhat attainable, and at 10 units, hype has very little space to build.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.

Agreed, how does # of Geekhack posts gauge experience? I rarely comment here and only recently started doing so, but have been in the hobby for 2 years now...

Post number (PN) is a good metric to gauge wether a user is active. And that is it. It does not automatically say this is a cashgrab project or this is a good project, but it is in the roster of metrics to determine the fallibility and trust level of a poster, and also the chance a potential GB will go south. For what it's worth I've been in the community as the classical lurker from 2013, and I have keysets from 2013/2014 to prove it, so everything I'm saying also applies to me.

Other good metrics are:

- How the user is viewed in the community
- How many GBs has the user successfuly or not successfuly ran
- Level of interest in this community
- Overall willingness to learn

Specifically for an IC/GB, the most common criteria are

- OP reputation as gauged by the items above
- Familiarity with concepts like keyboard construction, workings and acoustics
- Ability to sum up the inspiration, methodology, intended business model for the product; additionally, in a GB, price, quantity, vendors
- Uniqueness or overall aesthetics of the project, which is kind of subjective but rather easy to evaluate

So let's gauge this IC, shall we? As for user reputation:
- How the user is viewed in the community: he is new, we don't know crap about him, he has 18 freaking posts all "I love it, I like it, beautiful" etc and his account isn't an year old yet
- How many GBs has the user successfuly or not successfuly ran: literally zero
- Level of interest in this community: literally zero, I mean, 10 pieces because I have 1k followers? Also lying?
- Overall willingness to learn: also none, because this keyboard's construction is meh, the PCB renders are meh, the renders are meh, and because I'm feeling meh today

For the IC itself:
- OP reputation as gauged by the items above: doesn't play in his favour I'm afraid
- Familiarity with concepts like keyboard construction, workings and acoustics: cmon, look at that bottom part, is this a keyboard or a freaking puzzle. Also no protos. Also 3D print protos.
- Ability to sum up the inspiration, methodology, intended business model for the product: no price, no inspiration, methodology is shady at least, IC poorly written. I would also bet high dollar this dude will make this a 600+ USD keyboard "because only 10 units", but since this is an IC prices are generally still in the works, we let pass the fact prices are missing. This keyboard is completely un-inspired, as we can see buzzwords gallore (exclusive, double gasket or whatever that means, 6063 aluminum, plate options).
- Uniqueness or overall aesthetics of the project: lol gasket 65% with logo blocker, a freaking JWK linear recolor would be more unique at this point

None of these criteria are absolute. Quantrik was pretty unknown when he made the QXP and the Kyuu and both are fantastic. The Kyuu itself is a 65% with blocker and logo (and gasket IIRC but correct me please) and it is a nice keyboard. Upas doesn't lurk around here so his account is both new and not many posts. Puddsy is a known prick but he knows what he's saying; he's also pretty active (like 12k posts, cmon mate get a life). JWK recolors are all the same yet people buy them because they are objectively good, cheap, they have a nice sound profile (at least the linears). So it's not that a single criteria can invalidade you, but serially and severely missing a bunch of them does make me want to whoop some asses with a newspaper.

This is just a quick analysis. Simon takes tens of minutes sometimes to review a single IC/GB.

All of this to say: this IC bingoes every single bad criteria we have to analyse it, this is nuclear-level don't buy. It's not only about post number or account age.
« Last Edit: Wed, 09 December 2020, 13:30:14 by Gondolindrim »
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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:47:56 »
Yeah, i don't think that 10 pcs is a good idea

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:51:32 »
All of this to say: this IC bingoes every single bad criteria we have to analyse it, this is nuclear-level don't buy. It's not only about post number or account age.

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Re: [IC] Cello 65% double gasket
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 13:16:54 »
Like: 3 piece bot
Dislike: Lul. Don't need to repeat what everyone else said.

Also, what does double gasket mean? Are we just throwing terms out here now?

This is gonna be a no for me, dawg.