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[IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 13:29:05 »












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About SLK profile

SLK is a new uniform profile designed by Synth Labs, with the goal of making an aesthetically modern, low-profile option for MX-style switches.

• Round top keycaps with capsule-shaped dish cutaways and tapered base
• 1.5mm PBT plastic with dye-sub and reverse dye-sub legends
• Supports ISO enter and stepped caps lock
• Produced by FK Caps








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The legends feature a modern monoline typeface with a number of base glyphs modified for a more cohesive look and feel.
Rather than keeping the original monospacing, each legend has been carefully kerned to read better in this context.
Edge modifier legends are also edge aligned both for aesthetics and so the legends can still be read when partially obscured by your hands.




Choose between Light and Dark colorways.
Colors represented are approximations of the Pantone references.
A pre-production sample will be available to confirm exact colors prior to group buy.




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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 13:34:39 »
why is shift accented

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 13:38:36 »
I don't know what I'm looking at, but you do have my attention.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 13:38:56 »
Any comparison between SLK and other more common flat profiles?

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 13:51:05 »
Absolutely stunning, great work

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 13:51:51 »
Any comparison between SLK and other more common flat profiles?

Will get a comparison with DSA and possibly KAM if I can find the model, great suggestion ✌️

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 14:04:45 »
Any comparison between SLK and other more common flat profiles?

Will get a comparison with DSA and possibly KAM if I can find the model, great suggestion ✌️

You should get in touch with the person that runs http://keycaps.info/ having that comparison would be really helpful

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 14:09:17 »
one trademark of the bauhaus design back then was to write everything in lowercase letters. Id appreciate if everything on the keyboard were lowercase letters or at least the legends.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 14:37:05 »
Wow this sure does look flat, which isn't a bad thing, just not used to seeing this every day  :), curious from here onward though  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 14:53:15 »
Looking forward to seeing the posts of this set on desks with Hasselblads and Leicas.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 15:17:08 »
You should get in touch with the person that runs http://keycaps.info/ having that comparison would be really helpful

Will suggest to Synth Labs, thanks!


one trademark of the bauhaus design back then was to write everything in lowercase letters. Id appreciate if everything on the keyboard were lowercase letters or at least the legends.

Not aiming to be a Bauhaus themed keyset, just nodding to its influence. The lowercase only characteristic was definitely interesting but it hasn't universally persisted like the design principles have.


Looking forward to seeing the posts of this set on desks with Hasselblads and Leicas.

Leica lenses were definitely an inspiration 😁

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 15:17:54 »
(Double post 😅)
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 18:18:15 »
i admit i am intrigued
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 18:21:32 »
I searched for a while to try and find Sinclair QL caps.  With these I can recreate my Sinclair QL from childhood.  Just show me where to buy them and take my money.  Love it.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 18:32:35 »
very interesting profile - i'm a fan of the legends & simple colorways, definitely going to be keeping an eye on this!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 19:35:38 »
homing kit plz

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 19:49:17 »
why is shift accented

It's showing the relationship between the shift key and the shifted characters.  As you can see the Shifted characters on the number row and the punction block all are red too.  It's kinda nifty.

I like everything about what I'm seeing here.  Just dont' know how it will feel to type on.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 20:11:44 »
You have my attention…


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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 20:31:24 »
personally, a new profile and manufacturer is always welcomed. it brings diversity to the hobby.
Also love how the font looks.

Not a fan of the current color (the red and yellow accent) but it does make it unique.
Also interested in comparison with other profile.
Lastly, please consider adding Ergo support too.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 21:35:57 »
Really Really Interesting - SLK looks tidy and matches font quite well. Kudos!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 23:35:13 »
Really digging the aesthetics of this set. I'd really like to see a profile comparison against the other uniform profiles.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 03:07:05 »
Base kit has incomplete physical ISO support: it has ISO Enter, it has NUBS (R4 1u), it has 1.25u Shift, but NUHS (R3 1u) is missing.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 03:50:39 »
Looks pretty clean, I like it. Woukd you add a Norde Kit?

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 04:01:47 »
It really is looking like something from a Braun catalog from the early 2000's, really good job ont he execution :) Also reminds me a bit of the OP-1 Synthesizer, in a good way ofc  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 06:43:12 »
Very reminiscent of old Siemens keyboards with their distinctive circular keycap tops. Love it!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 07:48:59 »
Beautiful, especially the white for me. I’d love it more with all lowercase. I’m digging the shift accent color too 👍👍
Great work!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 08:10:50 »
The light set is virtually ideal. Love the particular shade of light grey modifiers and red shift accents paired with the alternate legends.

Only thing I could see niggling me is the backslash key not being grey, to be more symmetrical (especially on 60-75% boards), though I recognize it's not actually a modifier key.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 12:19:52 »
Thats the most beautiful keyset I've seen in a while. The shape looks amazing and you clearly put a lot of effort in the outstanding legends. A homing kit could be nice.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 16:07:56 »
Interesting profile!I do think that slightly less round tops would look better

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 20:09:57 »
Gorgeous.

Please provide some typing impressions when possible.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 20:19:20 »
Why this lowkey litty

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 20:44:19 »
Hi everyone, appreciate all the nice comments! Will look into some kit changes this week once enough people have voiced what they'd like.

Here's a quick comparison with DSA and KAM profiles courtesy of Synth Labs, SLK is more low profile and has a wider dish surface. The exact model measurements are subject to change but the general shape should remain very similar ✌️


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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 17 January 2021, 20:54:54 »
Super pretty!! And low profile = yes yes yes yes yes, so much better for acoustics

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 18 January 2021, 08:59:45 »
It looks like the first comparison figure of “actual alignment”
Is suggesting that the skirt of the cap is longer than KAM or DSA.  That would be wonderful if true!

The fact that it has a larger dish is a negative to me.  I always found XDA much more difficult to type on for that reason. Guess we shall see in time. 
« Last Edit: Mon, 18 January 2021, 09:05:37 by pixelpusher »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 02:14:20 »
For the SLK profile, I have been prototyping the latest versions of the keycaps with a resin 3D printer. Previously, I was prototyping much older versions through a print service. So far, I've only printed 1U caps myself, but I'll start messing with printing some of the larger sizes now that I have figured the printing out. As kema mentioned, the general shape is going to stay mostly similar, but I'm still experimenting with slight tweaks, and trying them out with these 3D prints to find what feels best to me.



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The first fully successful print, as they came out from the printer with the support structure for printing still attached.


The first fully successfully printed keycaps on the RAMA M6-A (left) next to all of the failed attempts before (right), including issues with the surface finish, issues with excess material, and issues with the stems falling off the build plate.


A comparison with DSA on the top left and top middle keys for height comparison.


I like how the profile feels a lot right now a lot, but I am thinking of increasing the curvature on the dish - I think it feels a bit flatter than I'd like. My proposed changes will increase the height of the keycap very slightly, but will bring the dish curvature pretty much in line with DSA's dish curvature. I'll be making these changes and testing them over next weekend.



This diagram (it's a bit different from the last one that kema showed) shows what the profile will look like after the proposed changes:


In terms of testing with a full keyset on a keyboard, I have not done that with the latest iteration. I have tested it before with a much older version of the SLK design, ordered through a print service. However, since I'm transitioning to doing the prototype printing on my own, I haven't gotten around to doing this yet on the latest version. However, I plan to do this, and daily drive a keyboard with a full SLK set to make sure I like it once the tweaks all feel good on the individual keys.
« Last Edit: Tue, 19 January 2021, 04:15:29 by Nostril »
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 02:19:53 »
It looks like the first comparison figure of “actual alignment”
Is suggesting that the skirt of the cap is longer than KAM or DSA.

Yep, that's correct. Should help with keyboards with low walls, and so that you can't see the switch as much when viewed at an angle.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 03:32:11 »
I'm interested. Unsure whether I would actually use them as a preferred profile for day to day typing but definitely something new that has my attention. The price will play a big factor for me on this one, however.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 05:00:44 »
I really dig the light colored theme. I would love a GMK set just like that. Getting serious Dieter vibes from it.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 05:33:03 »
I'm in!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 06:00:43 »
It looks really interesting, even though I was in at the "thick PBT" part. Might be cool to involve Biiip for a "Wraith" theme using this set....

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 14:26:57 »
These look very interesting indeed. Will be watching this closely! I can imagine this looking great inside a black Boop 65:


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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 14:43:20 »
I don't know how much I would like typing on those keycaps - but man do they look nice!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 15:19:37 »
I love the look, curious what it is like to type on. 
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 15:49:30 »
Like it. Looks really interesting, but some feedback-

  • Not a fan of the edge aligned legends- it looks weird on the bottom row with all other legends being centered. It works fine for all other rows, though.
  • Not a fan of the shifted accents, although it makes perfect sense- just don't like having mono colorways with a colored accent. Maybe a gray tone for both sets- since they'll be less of a pop vs the bow/wob

Overall solid. I'll be interested as this develops.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 16:29:04 »
Icon mods would be an instant buy for me. No question. For a future set in this profile I'd love to see a nice medium grey with black or white legends.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 17:48:20 »
Like it. Looks really interesting, but some feedback-

  • Not a fan of the edge aligned legends- it looks weird on the bottom row with all other legends being centered. It works fine for all other rows, though.
  • Not a fan of the shifted accents, although it makes perfect sense- just don't like having mono colorways with a colored accent. Maybe a gray tone for both sets- since they'll be less of a pop vs the bow/wob

Overall solid. I'll be interested as this develops.
I wanted to say the same things. Looks interesting, but I don't like the coloured symbols very much, and I definitely don't like the non-centered legends. I might or might not buy with the coloured shifted symbols but I will definitely not buy with edge-aligned legends.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 18:32:18 »
I love the look, curious what it is like to type on.
I don't know how much I would like typing on those keycaps - but man do they look nice!

My thoughts exactly! I’m definitely intrigued. Will be watching! GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 19:55:00 »
Love how it looks! There could be some cool novelties with this profile.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 20 January 2021, 02:04:47 »
This profile looks good, except for the ISO enter. That’s the only key that looks weird to me.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 20 January 2021, 07:38:21 »
A few more 1U keys in the Add-on Kits would be nice, to ensure ortho support. For example backspace and delete.

EDIT: Just noticed they're already in the base kit
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 20 January 2021, 16:14:29 »
Formed filled out and added my email for more information later.

I LOVE the look of this set.

Having trouble deciding between the light and dark though.

Will have to make a hard choice.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 20 January 2021, 20:01:22 »
This profile looks good, except for the ISO enter. That’s the only key that looks weird to me.

Here's some better lighting to show off the dish on the ISO enter that didn't come across in the other renders, it keeps the same capsule shape as the rest of the key tops!




Formed filled out and added my email for more information later.

I LOVE the look of this set.

Having trouble deciding between the light and dark though.

Will have to make a hard choice.

Thanks! I also really like both; from the IC form it seems like Dark is slightly more popular, but it's close ✌️
« Last Edit: Wed, 20 January 2021, 20:02:55 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 20 January 2021, 20:17:59 »
I wouldn't use this personally but it looks really clean, nice work

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 20 January 2021, 23:27:18 »
Quote from: kema
Thanks! I also really like both; from the IC form it seems like Dark is slightly more popular, but it's close ✌️

Gotta say, I think the white looks better now that I'm looking again.

Reminds me a lot of this synth. https://teenage.engineering/products/op-1

I don't typically join keyset group buys, most just never appeal to me. This is really only the second time I've gotten this excited about a keyset!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 01:32:43 »
Thank you kema.  The ISO enter keycap looks much better with that capsulated dish.  It looks like i’ll be in it to win it with this set. 

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 08:25:29 »
This profile looks good, except for the ISO enter. That’s the only key that looks weird to me.

Here's some better lighting to show off the dish on the ISO enter that didn't come across in the other renders, it keeps the same capsule shape as the rest of the key tops!

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Formed filled out and added my email for more information later.

I LOVE the look of this set.

Having trouble deciding between the light and dark though.

Will have to make a hard choice.

Thanks! I also really like both; from the IC form it seems like Dark is slightly more popular, but it's close ✌️

That's ISO PORN right there.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 19:28:23 »
Made these forum signatures if you're excited about SLK Dessau and want to share it with others 😄


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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 21 January 2021, 22:13:41 »
Made these forum signatures if you're excited about SLK Dessau and want to share it with others 😄


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Can do!

Although I think you should probably have something like:

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 00:01:02 »
Although I think you should probably have something like:

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Gotta drive traffic to this thread.

I derped, totally slipped my mind! Will add the url to the code, thank you 😁
« Last Edit: Fri, 22 January 2021, 00:05:48 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 23:12:00 »
You know when you've been looking for the "perfect pr0n movie" for a long time? Well... you don't know what it looks like, but when you'll see it, you'll recognize it.
And here it is.
THAT is the kind of gem I'm talking about.
Original, modern, clean.
Thanks for planning this design, it's amazing, I love it and I'm absolutely in. Good luck!!
« Last Edit: Fri, 22 January 2021, 23:28:03 by Rök »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 23 January 2021, 06:11:30 »
Interested.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 23 January 2021, 09:12:12 »
This is great! This executes the Dieter Rams aesthetic really well and has the potential to be an instant classic! Hope you will extend kitting. Especially a international kit would be great!

Edit: I like the colour accents very much, btw. And prefer the light kit slightly over the dark.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 23 January 2021, 10:35:02 »
You know when you've been looking for the "perfect pr0n movie" for a long time? Well... you don't know what it looks like, but when you'll see it, you'll recognize it.
And here it is.
THAT is the kind of gem I'm talking about.
Original, modern, clean.
Thanks for planning this design, it's amazing, I love it and I'm absolutely in. Good luck!!


I get it, yes.  But just to counter argue... I don't think there are many "perfect porn movies" that are "clean."   :p

There is something about this hobby that can easily lead you to blowing your load on crappy stuff that you really don't even like.  I guess it's FOMO.  Take heed, anyone new or old to the hobby.  Did you fall in love with it the second you saw it?  Did you talk yourself into over a few weeks b/c it kept showing up on your feeds?  We have so many options today.  Only buy the perfect stuff.  The stuff that makes you tingle down there.  This one does it for me too.  But then again, I would have to type on it to see if it was truly a good profile.  Even if not ideal for typing, it's beautiful.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 24 January 2021, 17:25:05 »
I love to see new profiles and manufacturers! It’ll definitely be interesting to see how the first round of this goes and if we’ll get more keysets in this profile.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 24 January 2021, 20:05:28 »
I'd love to see a 40s or ergo add on kit for this one!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 07:29:26 »
1u cmd would be appreciated

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 19:37:13 »
interesting keycaps ,want to click

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 06:07:40 »
Something this new and important deserves to be carefully kitted and worked out, like all the best big sets.  Please don't rush this.  Maybe RAMA would make a new profile for you on this as well.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 04:05:54 »
Really nice! I would vote for a second 2u spacebar, though since its uniform using a 2u shift key would be ok.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 04:13:27 »
LETS GO
We don't need an IC, this is a sure hit.
LETS GO
Anything larger than a 65% is extraneous!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 20:39:57 »
Did you fall in love with it the second you saw it? Only buy the perfect stuff.  The stuff that makes you tingle down there.

yes
Anything larger than a 65% is extraneous!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 21:31:56 »
Interested. Would love to see a sample of the reverse-dyed PBT SLK to see how dark it really turns out.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 21:32:22 »
Did you fall in love with it the second you saw it? Only buy the perfect stuff.  The stuff that makes you tingle down there.

yes

Also yes.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 11:46:42 »
I would like you to have an ISO Spanish kit. They are really nice keycaps.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 13:21:02 »
Like Devlin Teletype only better coverage and availability

I'm excited

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:44:22 »
Currently working through kit changes after a super busy past week, have fixed and added a few things based on feedback 🙏

Question for Ergo users:
would you prefer a kit with fixed legends that is generally useable (e.g. KAM Little Pilot's ergo kit) or blank keycaps?
« Last Edit: Fri, 29 January 2021, 20:08:22 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 22:50:59 »
Currently working through kit changes after a super busy past week, have fixed and added a few things based on feedback 🙏

Question for Ergo users:
would you prefer a kit with fixed legends that is generally useable (e.g. KAM Little Pilot's ergo kit) or blank keycaps?

Thanks for preparing ergo kit!
I personally prefer legends, either the generic one or something random instead of blanks.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 30 January 2021, 04:12:57 »
Did you fall in love with it the second you saw it? Only buy the perfect stuff.  The stuff that makes you tingle down there.

yes

Also yes.

Very much yes.  All kits must be created so that this can become a global giant.  Love all of it.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 30 January 2021, 08:55:40 »
Currently working through kit changes after a super busy past week, have fixed and added a few things based on feedback 🙏

Question for Ergo users:
would you prefer a kit with fixed legends that is generally useable (e.g. KAM Little Pilot's ergo kit) or blank keycaps?

It depends. I usually prefer blanks (or something non-specific like oblivion), because I don't like my keys to improperly labeled. That is more important for sculpted profiles, though. I much prefer what KAM_superuser's kit is like. There are certain keys that are very difficult to find in 1.5u variants.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 30 January 2021, 09:22:09 »
Currently working through kit changes after a super busy past week, have fixed and added a few things based on feedback 🙏

Question for Ergo users:
would you prefer a kit with fixed legends that is generally useable (e.g. KAM Little Pilot's ergo kit) or blank keycaps?

Fixed legends would be preferable, but I'd be happy with anything

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 01 February 2021, 00:49:50 »
This is like a better TeleType Z-Series but with everything I want in contemporary keycaps. PBT. Low profile. Reverse dye-sub. Way better. While I probably won't be jumping in for the inevitable GB, I'm definitely going to be looking at future SLK sets. A lot of designs would really lend themselves to this profile.

EDIT: Nope, couldn't resist. I'd totally switch from my XDA Canvas to this set. The more I look the better it gets.
« Last Edit: Thu, 04 February 2021, 16:16:39 by teleute »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 02 February 2021, 22:17:44 »
Quick update on progress:


Kit additions
Yellow Esc accent added (Light Base)
Second 2u spacebar added
HUNT homing keys added
10x1u, 12x1.5u, 4x2u blanks added (Ergo)


Small fixes
Basic ISO in base kit fixed
Ł glyph simplified

As for Int'l layout support, it's unlikely to happen because only 3% of the form responses requested it, and it does require a significant amount of additional keys and time spent reworking part of the design since some keys have 3 legends. If there's dramatically more demand I'm obviously happy to work on it, but otherwise I hope you all can understand 😢


SLK keycap samples
Still in development but refinements to the models are being done to improve the typing experience! I can say that the density/weight is nice and the bottom out sound is definitely satisfying, we'll share more details when the models are finalized and production samples made 🙏

Renders will be updated after changes to keycap models are dialed in
« Last Edit: Wed, 03 February 2021, 22:41:35 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 03 February 2021, 04:54:41 »
This kit needs a NORDE kit because Dessau is in Germany

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 20:01:21 »
This kit needs a NORDE kit because Dessau is in Germany

I second that :D
Was definitely expecting a NORDE kit bc of the name.
Does Candykeys know about this set? Or mykeyboard.eu? Anything to make a NORDE kit happen...

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 20:53:28 »
Sharing some renders done by @carsons.keyboards on a keyboard he's working on, these are using updated SLK models with the adjusted dish.









« Last Edit: Thu, 11 February 2021, 14:14:01 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 22:55:04 »
I second that :D
Was definitely expecting a NORDE kit bc of the name.
Does Candykeys know about this set? Or mykeyboard.eu? Anything to make a NORDE kit happen...

We haven't started reaching out to vendors yet but will soon. Tell all your NorDe friends to fill out the IC form! Currently only about 3.9% of the nearly 400 responses have requested it which is not a lot 😢

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 01:27:05 »
Deep dish/ scooped homing of some sort would be killer. The homing bars look a little strange but nothing terrible (like ePBT scoop+bar bleh)

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 04:09:31 »
That keyboard is really good looking.  Any link to it?
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 07:05:21 »
Love the look of this set so much. So excited to have it on my desk some day

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 07:30:22 »
Not a fan of flat profiles. But I am a fan on how this looks. Maybe this will be the set to get me to keep a flat profile  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 22:34:57 »
That keyboard is really good looking.  Any link to it?

All I have is the designer's IG and Discord, assuming an IC will happen at some point!





And for everyone interested, here's the updated profile comparison. The new dish is more cuppy and feels like mini arcade buttons! Also typing accuracy is hugely improved ✌️

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 22:49:35 »
And for everyone interested, here's the updated profile comparison. The new dish is more cuppy and feels like mini arcade buttons! Also typing accuracy is hugely improved ✌️

To elaborate on the changes, the dish is adjusted to be more scooped, ever so slightly smaller, and the lip around the dish has been refined.

The internals have also been updated to have a bit more uniform thickness while maintaining a good clearance from the switch. Regarding the thickness, the design currently maintains a minimum of 1.5mm thickness throughout, with exception of the thinnest parts of the stem, and the extended skirt that dips slightly lower than most other profiles (this part of the skirt is only 1.0mm thick for switch clearance purposes).

These 3D prints are the version we ultimately settled with:


Here's some comparisons to DSA:


« Last Edit: Thu, 11 February 2021, 23:01:46 by Nostril »
"Synth 060"

Offline teleute

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 02:34:34 »
Those dishes look comfy. I gave XDA a shot and was not pleased with its might-as-well-not-be-there scoop. Glad this leans more towards DSA's approach. Also, as a hitbox user, I like the idea of the keys feeling like mini arcade buttons.

Offline KevenKeys

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 12:17:22 »
ITs gunna be hard to pry me away from my growing GMK collection but I cant help being curious about this set. I love how it looks! Reminds me of the buttons on the Teenage Engineering OP1 Synthesizer! Has a little similarity to RAMA's new Kate caps but those are more oval. I think I dig this design better! Nice work!!! I will be watching this!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 22:13:59 »
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Why are the edges not square?  It looks like the corners taper.  Is this some 3d printing issue?
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 23:16:46 »
Why are the edges not square?  It looks like the corners taper.  Is this some 3d printing issue?

Yeah, it's not part of the design - just a 3D printing issue. Some warping existed at the time of printing, but I think a greater amount of it happened over the course of a few days after printing. It's more obvious with some of the longer keys I printed, especially the spacebars. I think this is due to me not fully curing the resin after printing, and maybe being cured less consistently, naturally over time - but not super sure to be honest. Probably would have been a good idea to take pictures after I actually printed them if I knew this.

I'm not really concerned here though, since the 3D printing is really just to test the design, and won't be related to the final production process in any way. Of the ones I printed, I was able to test the design on plenty that didn't have really any noticibly warpage (I printed a full 60% set that was sent to Kema), and I'm planning on having a metal prototype made and tested to be safe.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #96 on: Sat, 13 February 2021, 05:01:40 »
will you sell blanks?

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 15 February 2021, 20:12:57 »
will you sell blanks?

For blanks that are color matched to Dessau, they will not be sold individually. However, there will be an assortment of blanks in different sizes in the 40%/Ortho/Ergo kit.

If you meant blanks that are unrelated to Dessau - we would like to have these eventually, but no concrete plans yet.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:37:11 »
Here's a rendered comparison showing the changes made in the new version of the SLK keycaps. Slightly taller, slightly smaller (and cuppier) dish,
and much more comfy to type on.





And updated kit renders

Base kit




Yellow esc added to Light Base Kit
Homing '5' added (whoops)
Basic ISO support fixed


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10x1u, 12x1.5u, 4x2u blanks added (Ergo)
Second 2u spacebar added


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'U' 'H' and 'N' 'T' homing keys added
Ł glyph simplified
2x1u Command keys added

« Last Edit: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:43:28 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #99 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 20:35:02 »
Really every aspect of this keycap seems to be sooo well thought of. I already skipped a few groupbuys, since all I want now is this set. Sorry if this was answered somewhere else already but is there a rough estimate? I guess currently FK is handling the MBK groupbuy, but could it be produced after this?

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #100 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 00:03:23 »
great kit imo!
still wishing the ergo will have legends since it's an uniform profile but the kits are great right now.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #101 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 00:37:30 »
Kits look amazing! Cant wait!

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #102 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 01:58:35 »
I'm very on board with this, i also have a boop on the way that would be perfect for this. Any possibility of dished homing keys?
     

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 15:45:08 »
I'm very on board with this, i also have a boop on the way that would be perfect for this. Any possibility of dished homing keys?

We don't really have plans for deep dish homing keys currently, but we will check it out if there is more demand for it expressed in the interest form.

It's also a bit tricky - as the design is currently, to make the deep dish feel more scooped, for those keys, we would have to either:
  • Make the dish diameter smaller, to make it feel more scooped
  • Increase the lip height (thus increasing overall keycap height)
  • Allow the deep dish key to be less than 1.5mm thick at the center of the dish
Or some combination of these. This is due to SLK being very low-profile in the first place, so there isn't as much extra material/space to work with. I believe some other profiles do these tradeoffs for deep dish homing, but I personally would rather maintain more aesthetic uniformity.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #104 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 07:04:29 »
I would love to see an offset caps lock added to the roster

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #105 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 07:46:36 »
This is interesting. Very keen to try one later on.
Bigger dish and shorter height compared to DSA? I like it. Always looking forward to something different within this hobby.  :)

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #106 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 10:56:00 »
Really every aspect of this keycap seems to be sooo well thought of. I already skipped a few groupbuys, since all I want now is this set. Sorry if this was answered somewhere else already but is there a rough estimate? I guess currently FK is handling the MBK groupbuy, but could it be produced after this?

Thanks! We're getting estimates now that CNY is over, the goal is to produce this right after MBK! ✌️



great kit imo!
still wishing the ergo will have legends since it's an uniform profile but the kits are great right now.

I'll look into this some more, but from what I understand, every ergo layout user has their own custom setup so it'll be difficult to account for all of them 😅

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #107 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 21:10:49 »
I'll look into this some more, but from what I understand, every ergo layout user has their own custom setup so it'll be difficult to account for all of them 😅

The good thing about flat profile is that you don't need to remake a 1u mod in different rows (i.e. ortho cherry profile child kits often have 3x 1u enter keys - you'd only need one). So the total keys in an ortho kit is much lower - one enter, one esc, one tab, one delete, one backspace, a 2u spacebar, ctrl/alt/win etc. all as 1u

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:03:10 »
The good thing about flat profile is that you don't need to remake a 1u mod in different rows (i.e. ortho cherry profile child kits often have 3x 1u enter keys - you'd only need one). So the total keys in an ortho kit is much lower - one enter, one esc, one tab, one delete, one backspace, a 2u spacebar, ctrl/alt/win etc. all as 1u

Totally! Working on this rn 🙏


Ergo and NorDe friends please keep an eye on this thread, will present a legended ergo keys option and a NorDe option sometime this week and would like your feedback.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 02:59:07 »
Ergo and NorDe friends please keep an eye on this thread, will present a legended ergo keys option and a NorDe option sometime this week and would like your feedback.

OMG I love you <3
I was actually preparing and make a case for a NorDe kit again ^^

One other thing: I'm using a Vortex Race 3 which has these unusual 1.5u ESC and DEL keys. No doubt I'd be more than happy if there were a kit covering this but I guess it's even more niche than NorDe. So to cover those keys, will the ergo kit be the one with spare 1.5u keys? Or any other way how I could cover them?

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 26 February 2021, 01:12:47 »
Hello all, here are the proposed changes. NorDe support (without tertiary legends) added into what was originally the Misc Kit. And legended ergo keys replacing the blanks in the Compact Kits, with some 1u and 1.5u keys that can already be found in the Base Kits.

Let me know your thoughts 🙏


Compact Kits






International & Misc Kits








One other thing: I'm using a Vortex Race 3 which has these unusual 1.5u ESC and DEL keys. No doubt I'd be more than happy if there were a kit covering this but I guess it's even more niche than NorDe. So to cover those keys, will the ergo kit be the one with spare 1.5u keys? Or any other way how I could cover them?

Those keys will be covered by the Compact Kits above ✌️
« Last Edit: Sat, 27 February 2021, 22:03:26 by kema »

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 26 February 2021, 03:40:13 »
The progress is superb.  The highlights of red in the base kits on the mods is a great addition and the additional kits is very welcome.  Keep going.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Kits Updated 2/17)
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 26 February 2021, 05:55:45 »
Hello all, here are the proposed changes. NorDe support (without tertiary legends) added into what was originally the Misc Kit. And legended ergo keys replacing the blanks in the Compact Kits, with some 1u and 1.5u keys that can already be found in the Base Kits.

Let me know your thoughts 🙏


Compact Kits

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International & Misc Kits

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One other thing: I'm using a Vortex Race 3 which has these unusual 1.5u ESC and DEL keys. No doubt I'd be more than happy if there were a kit covering this but I guess it's even more niche than NorDe. So to cover those keys, will the ergo kit be the one with spare 1.5u keys? Or any other way how I could cover them?

Those keys will be covered by the Compact Kits above ✌️

Personally, I think these changes are perfect! Thanks for considering it.
Ofc I can't say for others, but I really like these. All I need now is more color options in the future  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #113 on: Fri, 26 February 2021, 07:42:54 »
@Kema great work. Thanks so much!
May I ask from which layout you got the position of the "@" legend? After looking at many international layouts I now see what a cluster**** international layouts are. For Mac ISO-DE "@" would be secondary legend on the "L" key. It would ruin the clean alphas tho and I'm more than happy to have the num row with correct secondary legends, the umlauts and what ever the keys around the "Enter" and "r Shift" are called. Also very nice to have those 1.5u ESC and DEL keys!
I'm very happy and really look forward for the GB to start.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #114 on: Fri, 26 February 2021, 23:48:39 »
@Kema great work. Thanks so much!
May I ask from which layout you got the position of the "@" legend? After looking at many international layouts I now see what a cluster**** international layouts are. For Mac ISO-DE "@" would be secondary legend on the "L" key. It would ruin the clean alphas tho and I'm more than happy to have the num row with correct secondary legends, the umlauts and what ever the keys around the "Enter" and "r Shift" are called. Also very nice to have those 1.5u ESC and DEL keys!
I'm very happy and really look forward for the GB to start.

The "@/'" key is for UK ISO if that's what you're asking. And exactly! decided to not include the secondary legends on the letter keys for cleanliness ✨

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #115 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 01:56:53 »
Here's some renders of SLK Dessau on the HAUS by Hand Engineering.

Check out on their Instagram or Discord for more on the board!





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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #116 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 04:43:09 »
If dished homing isn't possible I think it would look better with homing dots instead of bars (since it's round and all). The bars stand out and look more modern/ less retro.

It's not a deal breaker though.

I'm not sure how I feel about the having ergo legends. If nothing else maybe swap the 2u vertical tab for a blank key to use as a concave space bar (I have no idea how people normally set up ergodoxs, I use a kinesis advantage).

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #117 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 13:48:30 »
If dished homing isn't possible I think it would look better with homing dots instead of bars (since it's round and all). The bars stand out and look more modern/ less retro.

It's not a deal breaker though.

I'm not sure how I feel about the having ergo legends. If nothing else maybe swap the 2u vertical tab for a blank key to use as a concave space bar (I have no idea how people normally set up ergodoxs, I use a kinesis advantage).

Both me and Nostril prefer the homing bars here, but the dots is something he could potentially look into in the future. 🙏

And the spacebar thing is something I’d like to understand more, from a simplicity perspective, all spacebars should be kept alpha colored and convex, but do ergo users prefer to use concave ones? If any ergo users see this I’d love to hear your thoughts ✌️

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #118 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 14:01:20 »
If dished homing isn't possible I think it would look better with homing dots instead of bars (since it's round and all). The bars stand out and look more modern/ less retro.

It's not a deal breaker though.

I'm not sure how I feel about the having ergo legends. If nothing else maybe swap the 2u vertical tab for a blank key to use as a concave space bar (I have no idea how people normally set up ergodoxs, I use a kinesis advantage).

Both me and Nostril prefer the homing bars here, but the dots is something he could potentially look into in the future. 🙏

And the spacebar thing is something I’d like to understand more, from a simplicity perspective, all spacebars should be kept alpha colored and convex, but do ergo users prefer to use concave ones? If any ergo users see this I’d love to hear your thoughts ✌️
Ergo(dox) users usually make one of the 4 vertical 2u thumb keys a spacebar. It looks weird if one is concave and the rest are convex and labeled.

Apparently there was a big survey for ergodox and ortho legend preference, a blank vertical 2u key is very popular
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102205.msg2806656
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #119 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 14:32:04 »
Apparently there was a big survey for ergodox and ortho legend preference, a blank vertical 2u key is very popular
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102205.msg2806656

Thanks for sharing this, will look into swapping 2u vertical Tab out for a blank mod-colored concave spacebar. Unfortunately the survey doesn't include findings on concave vs convex other than "There were additional comments that spacebars should be convex rather than concave" 🤔

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #120 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 14:54:06 »
Apparently there was a big survey for ergodox and ortho legend preference, a blank vertical 2u key is very popular
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102205.msg2806656

Thanks for sharing this, will look into swapping 2u vertical Tab out for a blank mod-colored concave spacebar. Unfortunately the survey doesn't include findings on concave vs convex other than "There were additional comments that spacebars should be convex rather than concave" 🤔
It really doesn't help that when it comes to ergo stuff people use what they can get not the other way around.
I think that including 2 convex 2u spacebars is great for compatibility with boardwalk layouts, but I can see why 2 convex + 1 concave might seem excessive.
Like I said I use a Kinesis Advantage, but I will be building a boardwalk layout board at some point. I basically collect ergo kits so that when that happens I'll be ready.

I liked the ergo kit in KAT Lich, but KAT has bizarro world MOQ, so I understand if that isn't feasable. Combining 40's, ortho and ergo always seemed a little strange to me, but if the 40's kit is too large it can't be in the base kit, and ortho + ergo might struggle on it's own. I'm just glad it's available. Low profile is great for ortho/ ergo.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 20:41:04 »
Are all of the caps shown in the compact kits sold together? because there are 2x2u spacebars in there, it looks like. I'm was hoping they would be together, because I also need those spacebars and the 1.5u enter key.

If the individual kits aren't that expensive, it may be ok to just ask people to buy both if they want the exact coverage they need. Usually we don't even get an option.
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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #122 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 21:37:02 »
Are all of the caps shown in the compact kits sold together? because there are 2x2u spacebars in there, it looks like. I'm was hoping they would be together, because I also need those spacebars and the 1.5u enter key.

If the individual kits aren't that expensive, it may be ok to just ask people to buy both if they want the exact coverage they need. Usually we don't even get an option.

Yeah, I thought there are 2x2u concave there in blanks from the upper kit?
I was looking for 1.5u enter key myself and thought that it's covered by the upper kit.

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Re: [IC] SLK Dessau (Proposed Kit Changes 2/25)
« Reply #123 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 22:06:45 »
Are all of the caps shown in the compact kits sold together? because there are 2x2u spacebars in there, it looks like. I'm was hoping they would be together, because I also need those spacebars and the 1.5u enter key.

If the individual kits aren't that expensive, it may be ok to just ask people to buy both if they want the exact coverage they need. Usually we don't even get an option.

Yeah, I thought there are 2x2u concave there in blanks from the upper kit?
I was looking for 1.5u enter key myself and thought that it's covered by the upper kit.

Yup they're all in the same kit ✌️