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Offline arc2

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« Reply #700 on: Sun, 28 November 2010, 09:21:33 »
Quote from: Tofurkeymeister;253304
Yeah, so I won't be able to press xc and p at the same time.

My favorite combination.

Honestly, most people won't notice the difference, and only NKRO "enthusiasts" actually care (and they have likely already bought a Filco or Das.

P.S. My comments only pertain to the cheap version.


Of course as I stated earlier my concerns only relate to certain gaming scenarios.

Some people will use the arrow keys area of the keyboard, other games use many more combinations than just wasd.

For example BF2 uses the m key to display the "mini map", which certainly on the "gaming optimised" Lycosa I owned was a major problem as this map could not be displayed while flying the jet, ie pressing say a and w and trying to press m.

I guess I am just trying to make the point that the rollover thing is something that people must at least think about, or they could do what I did and buy the keyboard and realise that it is of no use to them.
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Offline CodeChef

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« Reply #701 on: Sun, 28 November 2010, 12:00:59 »
What of my posts was incorrect Rip?
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Offline CodeChef

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« Reply #702 on: Sun, 28 November 2010, 12:34:16 »
Quote from: ripster;253386
Hahaha - glad you didn't take that personally.



Actually the part about modifiers, USB,  and Nkey.  CTRL-A-Q  is often blocked.  It's all about the matrix that defines the guaranteed Key Rollover number so the "6+4modifier USB rule" doesn't really apply here.  It only comes into play with a keyboard with diodes.


I wish everyone was more like me.

I didn't know that about the modifiers. Still, my other points were correct. When do you move forward back left and right at the same time?
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Offline ricercar

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« Reply #703 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 02:00:30 »
Quote from: ripster;253673
keyboard manufacturers like Razer and Logitech gloss over the issue and don't publish or even want to talk about the allowable key combos.

Everyone should rocks like iRocks.



Trouble is, the keyboard ships only in USB without a PS/2 adapter. At least this was true for Chimera's and my review samples.
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Offline CodeChef

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« Reply #704 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 08:51:33 »
That one isn't mechanical though, right? It still looks good TBH... nice layout, gaming optimized, and backlit... I actually might get it if the price is under, like 30 bucks...
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Offline Bwappo

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« Reply #705 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 09:13:50 »
Quote from: ripster;251730
Which Razer?  The Illuminated one?


Nope, the basic one. The keyboard should arrive in two days.

Offline CodeChef

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« Reply #706 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 10:00:02 »
Quote from: Bwappo;253787
Nope, the basic one. The keyboard should arrive in two days.


When did you order it? I wanted to order it last week but it's been "on backorder" for a while.
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Offline Manyak

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« Reply #707 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 12:27:31 »
Guess what I just got a sent a review sample of :)



Those arrow keys feel quite a bit different than the Filco I'm using, possibly even a bit lighter. Gonna have to get some nickels for when I get this thing unboxed. :)
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Offline gmorf33

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« Reply #708 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 14:09:31 »
tried to check one of these out at best buy this weekend... none of the 3 stores in town had any in stock.   /sadface.  I mostly just wanted to try out the keys on one so i could decide if i'd like blues or not.

Offline CodeChef

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« Reply #709 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 14:16:20 »
Hey man, how come YOU got a review sample?! I review stuff on Youtube too T.T (just not keyboards)
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Offline Bwappo

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« Reply #710 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 14:34:19 »
Quote from: CodeChef;253800
When did you order it? I wanted to order it last week but it's been "on backorder" for a while.


I ordered it last Tuesday, the 23rd. It said it was on backorder, but it shipped on the 24th (from Ontario, apparently).

Offline Manyak

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« Reply #711 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 17:32:03 »
lol yeah, lmnop does love her Decks....
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Offline Nadger

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« Reply #712 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 20:55:00 »
Yeah i have not seen him throw around his deck hammer for a while.

I really like decks but they need to get their **** together and release a new keyboards in something besides blacks and clears, and make tenkeyless keyboards as well.

I know they shut down a lot of their keyboards because of lack of orders for them, but with the huge new boom to mechanicals they really are missing out on some free money.

Oh and they really need to get rid of that matrix font ;x
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #713 on: Tue, 30 November 2010, 13:29:19 »
Quote from: ripster;254033
Ever since Xarmor gave Phaedrus a couple of review samples it's like he's their community marketing dude.


Well Razer basically lied their butts off, gave me the finger, and denied me a review sample. So... Sure, I actively recommend XArmor over them. At least XArmor didn't claim to invent their own switch, and spent the money for NKRO diodes instead of a voltage oscillator for a pulsating logo.


Maybe I should ask them to pay me for being their community marketing guy? Hm....
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Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #714 on: Wed, 01 December 2010, 05:25:57 »
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;254463
Well Razer basically lied their butts off, gave me the finger, and denied me a review sample. So... Sure, I actively recommend XArmor over them. At least XArmor didn't claim to invent their own switch, and spent the money for NKRO diodes instead of a voltage oscillator for a pulsating logo.


Maybe I should ask them to pay me for being their community marketing guy? Hm....


Don't commit to the Dark Side. I see so much good in you from your post!

Oh and Deck is slowly but steadily becoming sort of the Wild Card in the Keyboard market. If they suddenly decided to dish out a Legend 2.0 with different switch types, maybe a tenkeyless version, maybe media keys and hopefully different country layouts (or at least a 105 key otaku), they would be ballin again.

But they won't. I spoke with them and their German distributors. Instead of going on the offensive and claiming what's supposedly theirs, they will just continue to puss out and run home to mommy (Tg3)

Offline FoxSpirit

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« Reply #715 on: Thu, 02 December 2010, 15:29:22 »
Quote from: Manyak;253865
Guess what I just got a sent a review sample of :)

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Those arrow keys feel quite a bit different than the Filco I'm using, possibly even a bit lighter. Gonna have to get some nickels for when I get this thing unboxed. :)


Review?

And yeah, had one in my hands today also, feels even lighter than my Cherry Blue. So I am curious as what your results are.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #716 on: Thu, 02 December 2010, 15:39:42 »
I wonder if the keycaps are thicker (read: heavier) than the Filco, thus giving the impression that they are lighter.


Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #717 on: Thu, 02 December 2010, 15:46:18 »
That's also how I would explain the difference between the Cherry double shots and the SP or Filco caps.


Offline Wogrim

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« Reply #718 on: Thu, 02 December 2010, 17:38:26 »
I got over to Fry's today to try one of these (non-ultimate).  I don't think they had any out of the box so I was trying the arrow keys on the last one on the shelf.  The clicks weren't as loud as I thought they'd be; I'm not sure if they're even as loud as my current POS.  

I liked the feel of the keys a lot until I noticed that the keys kind of got stuck coming up such that I had to let them go all the way up to reset the click.  Is that the double-tapping issue with blues?  

Also the tactile bump wasn't as much as I expected; not sure if I'd notice it on browns.

Offline Bwappo

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« Reply #719 on: Fri, 03 December 2010, 11:51:24 »
UPS delivered my BlackWidow a couple of days ago, and here are my first impressions so far.

I had an alarming out-of-the-box experience. Key caps were falling off the number pad, and the cardboard housing that cushioned the keyboard looked like it had already been opened a couple of times. I suspected that I got a re-boxed keyboard that someone had already tried. Once I clicked the key caps back in place, I couldn't get them off again, so maybe it was a manufacturing snafu. Either way, moving on.

For reference, I've used an IBM Model M for years, and sent back a Scorpius M10 or whatever that scorpion-sounding blue cherry keyboard was that seriously disappointed me.

First off, I noticed that the keys on the Black Widow seemed really wobbly. Compared to the rigid Model M that had maybe 1 mm of give in any horizontal direction (at most), the BW's keys had at least double that. Which is odd, because whatever grip or coating that people are talking about, my BW doesn't seem to have. The spacebar, however, is as firm as my Model M with regards to horizontal play.

The numeric keypad keys seem flimsy, but the rest of the keys on the keyboard feel more solid to me. I never use the keypad, so I didn't care. I would've jumped at a tenkeyless version.

After a few minutes of use, I got frustrated. The lighter touch (what isn't lighter compared to a Model M, right?) let me type faster, but my fingers skidded all over the place, catching nearby keys. Typos galore. I was ready to package up the keyboard and send it back, when I realized that I was really slamming the keys to type. So I decided just to stick with the BW for a couple of days and see what happened.

Long story short, I woke up the next morning, and started flying. 10-20% typing speed increase with almost no errors. Apparently, I just needed the time to adjust my muscle memory and stop treating the keyboard like a Model M. Now, when I use the Model M, it feels like I have to strain to press the keys. This was a big lesson for me: I can try a keyboard for a few minutes, but if it's different enough from what I'm used to, I need a day to adjust.

Overall, I quickly grew to like this keyboard a lot. The BW is a bit stiffer and has slightly more resistance than the Scorpius I hated, and that's a major win for me. I can flow better with this keyboard compared to a Model M, which shocks me. The five macro keys along the left side still throw me off, because apparently I use my awareness of the left edge of the keyboard to keep my left hand on the home keys. Multiple times I found myself sitting down to my keyboard, begin typing, and instead of an "A", I hit the capslock and start typing gibberish in all caps.

I don't use F keys consistently, so their weird placement doesn't bother me. I haven't installed the software yet.

I'm glad I stuck with the BW. I'll give it a couple more days, but I'm pretty sure I'm keeping it. The jury's still out on the Tron mouse I bought at the same time (it ended a years-long wait for a mouse that has two buttons on each side fender instead of just one), but I haven't had a chance to play much this week.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #720 on: Fri, 03 December 2010, 11:56:42 »
I find that the lighter the keyboard, the faster I type.  Glad to hear you like your new 'board.  Thanks for sharing.


Offline dinwitt

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« Reply #721 on: Fri, 03 December 2010, 15:22:35 »
I preordered the Blackwidow Ultimate from Razer's website a while ago and have been lurking this thread since.  Seeing as no one else is chiming in on it, I'll go ahead and mention that over the Thanksgiving break one Chan Gent Ho from Customer Care at The Razer Store sent an email update to me (or at least me, there may have been more recipients though they were probably sent a slightly different email that didn't mention my name) entitled "Not Long Until The Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Arrives. Anytime now."  In it, this assumed representative of Razer informed me that "The Razer BlackWidow Ultimate is currently on its way to our warehouses and we expect to start shipping them to you from December 7, 2010."  He went on to add that "As promised, with the pre-order of your Razer BlackWidow Ultimate, we will also be throwing in a couple of Razer exclusives purely out of goodwill at no charge to you."  Looking at my order status, this appears to be a Razer Tattoo, so I'll finally be able to hang with the cool kids.

Offline Bwappo

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« Reply #722 on: Fri, 03 December 2010, 16:30:11 »
Quote from: ripster;256376
The  Razer Black Widow may appear a bit stiffer to you in the beginning because the Blue Cherry MX switches need to break in a bit and wear down those plastic burrs.

Interesting enough some people think the Cherry Blue XM switches on a Black Widow are LIGHTER than other keyboard's.  

The truth?  Only the  RipOmeter knows.


I fear that. I hope the keys retain their current resilience as much as possible.

Intrigued, I followed the directions for the RipOmeter, and my Jenga skills consistently got 11 nickels on the F key. No matter what I did, that 12th nickel put it over the top and actuated the key (keeping notepad open to see the actuation was a good idea -- thanks for suggesting that). I was curious, so I tried the 5 key on the number pad, and got the same results. So 11 nickels is 55g?

By contrast, my Model M's F key weighed in at 15 nickels, or 75G.

Offline arc2

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« Reply #723 on: Fri, 03 December 2010, 19:05:59 »
I apologise if my post seems somewhat harsh but I truly believe this needs to be emphasised.

For me this is the key point in Jason from Razers' presentation...

4. Does the Razer BlackWidow have NKRO?

We were the first in the world to push the limits of anti-ghosting when we released the Razer Tarantula gaming keyboard some 4 years ago, so we know how important this feature is for many gamers. However, we also balance this against the other features that gamers require. . Razer BlackWidow’s up to 6-key rollover gaming optimized key matrix serves a similar purpose for gamers who need anti-ghosting while using an ordinary USB port (as opposed to a PS/2 port). In addition, by using a USB connection the Razer BlackWidow is able to provide gamers advanced customization and performance features that are not available using a PS/2 connection, using Razer’s configuration software.


There is no NKRO, nor 6KRO via USB, the board is 2KRO and that is the main reason the Lycosa (other Razer product) was useless to me (from what I can tell the BW is 2KRO also). You can provide me with a multitude of other features but if I cannot press certain 3 key combinations at the same time the board is in my opinion not fit for gaming.

Fair enough if you are lucky to fall within the "gaming optomized matrix" of the BW then it's all good, otherwise you are in major issues.

Personally I believe the manufacturers should publish which key presses will work and which will not, surely that is a more transparent way of looking at things ?
« Last Edit: Fri, 03 December 2010, 19:12:23 by arc2 »

Offline RickyJ

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« Reply #724 on: Fri, 03 December 2010, 21:13:09 »
^ I especially like how they say "up to 6-key rollover" to try to confuse people into thinking it's got real 6KRO.  It's a blocking controller so it doesn't output ANY 6 keys via USB, just certain combinations beyond 2 keys.
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Offline JinDesu

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« Reply #725 on: Thu, 09 December 2010, 15:51:04 »
Quote from: ripster;260251
More reviews are dribbling in.

Most are of the "blah, blah, blah I'm a college student who can't write but I'll take a free keyboard" type of blogger review but this little snippet out of the Benchmark Reviews writeup (yes another college student who has never used a Mechanical before) was interesting for this tidbit:



This is slick!   Just think if the HHKB had that instead of silly 1960's DIP switches.


Hey! Don't joke about those on-the-fly macros! There were many a times before when I brought my G110 to a lan event and tried to desperately cheat using macros, only to find I couldn't install my logitech key profiler on the lan comp!
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Offline geekhack

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« Reply #726 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 01:20:07 »
Towards the bottom of the keyboard there is that glowing spermy-medusa logo. I'm curious if anyone who has taken the board apart has any information on that logo window. Is it sealed?

If it isn't sealed, a replacement or black tape on the inside could at least minimize the logo a bit.

Also, has anyone tried replacement keycaps with the non-backlit version?

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« Reply #727 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 01:43:06 »
Welcome to geekhack, geekhack =)

I am surprised no one used that name yet!

You probably could just put some electrical tape on the inside of the "spermy logo" to subdue the light.
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« Reply #728 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 03:11:41 »
Quote from: clickclack;260512
Welcome to geekhack, geekhack =)

I am surprised no one used that name yet!

You probably could just put some electrical tape on the inside of the "spermy logo" to subdue the light.

Thanks! I can't quite decide which it is more like...

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Offline Manyak

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« Reply #729 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 08:33:25 »
Quote from: geekhack;260508
Towards the bottom of the keyboard there is that glowing spermy-medusa logo. I'm curious if anyone who has taken the board apart has any information on that logo window. Is it sealed?

If it isn't sealed, a replacement or black tape on the inside could at least minimize the logo a bit.

Also, has anyone tried replacement keycaps with the non-backlit version?

Underneath is a single LED and a wedge-shaped diffuser block. The wire to the LED can easily be cut/desoldered if you want to turn it off.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #730 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 08:56:53 »
I think you have a severe case of chattering.  Your having whole posts duplicated.


Offline JinDesu

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« Reply #731 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 09:38:28 »
That 1000hz polling rate is definitely useful with my 30,000APM in sc2
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Offline LaneWeaver

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« Reply #732 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 13:00:55 »
Quote from: geekhack;260508
Towards the bottom of the keyboard there is that glowing spermy-medusa logo. I'm curious if anyone who has taken the board apart has any information on that logo window. Is it sealed?

If it isn't sealed, a replacement or black tape on the inside could at least minimize the logo a bit.


You can go through the lighting intensity (off, low, medium, high, pulse) using FN+F12.
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Offline Manyak

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« Reply #733 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 13:07:44 »
Quote from: ripster;260649
Anybody notice a difference with the 1000hz polling rate?

Anybody complaining that they wish they had PS/2 IRQ Old Skool latencies?


I don't notice, nor can I measure, any difference.

And yes I want PS/2, because I want to be able to turn on my computer with the spacebar.
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« Reply #734 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 13:48:56 »
Quote from: geekhack;260521
Thanks! I can't quite decide which it is more like...


Dude...you chose a username matching the name of the forum you're on?

...don't be that guy...


Offline sixty

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« Reply #735 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 13:59:08 »
Quote from: ripster;260251
More reviews are dribbling in.

Most are of the "blah, blah, blah I'm a college student who can't write but I'll take a free keyboard" type of blogger review but this little snippet out of the Benchmark Reviews writeup (yes another college student who has never used a Mechanical before) was interesting for this tidbit:



This is slick!   Just think if the HHKB had that instead of silly 1960's DIP switches.


The problem with this is that its bull****, unless they changed it for the Ultimate model, which I highly doubt. On the the default model if you do not have the drivers installed pushing the macro key does absolutely nothing.

Offline BlueRain

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« Reply #736 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 14:34:02 »
Why would you not install the driver? o.O

Quote from: sixty;260858
The problem with this is that its bull****, unless they changed it for the Ultimate model, which I highly doubt. On the the default model if you do not have the drivers installed pushing the macro key does absolutely nothing.

Offline geekhack

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« Reply #737 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 15:10:53 »
Quote from: keyboardlover;260848
Dude...you chose a username matching the name of the forum you're on?

...don't be that guy...

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I've never signed up in a forum before .. I didn't know that picking the forum's name was a common practice by a certain type of person. I just picked the most memorable login for the website URL

I just had two questions - one was if the keys on the Razer Black Widow could be replaced or if they are a custom size/weight

Offline JinDesu

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« Reply #738 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 15:26:47 »
Quote from: BlueRain;260900
Why would you not install the driver? o.O


Because if say I were to go to a LAN center for some event, and I want to use the keyboard that I am familiar with and the macros that I normally use, I am sort of screwed unless that LAN center allows me to install drivers. So a keyboard that uses its own RAM to store macros would be pretty useful in that scenario (which isn't as rare as it seems).
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Offline muchadoaboutnothing

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« Reply #739 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 15:42:20 »
If the keyboard had that capability it would likely be banned altogether from tournament play because there would be no way to ensure that you didn't record macros on it when you got there, barring filming the player's keyboard for the entire duration of every match.

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« Reply #740 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 16:06:19 »
Quote from: geekhack;260916
I've never signed up in a forum before .. I didn't know that picking the forum's name was a common practice by a certain type of person. I just picked the most memorable login for the website URL


No worries...it's just a joke/reference from the movie PCU. Highly recommended.

Offline JinDesu

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« Reply #741 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 16:50:46 »
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;260929
If the keyboard had that capability it would likely be banned altogether from tournament play because there would be no way to ensure that you didn't record macros on it when you got there, barring filming the player's keyboard for the entire duration of every match.


Depends on the game and the tournament, yes. And if it is, then obviously I can't bring it. But if there was no rulings against it, then I am more than free to use macros I have recorded.

Usually it came in the form of something like "say-all button" "UR ALL NOOBS AND I PWN UR MOM"

But I digress
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Offline geekhack

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« Reply #742 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 18:40:54 »
Quote from: ripster;260933
The Razers keys on the non-illuminated are probably all replaceable.  Sometimes large keys cause problems.

Check my new Yellow Filco/Rosewill/Das compatible WASDs - they'd fit but  maybe the profile would be a bit off.


Awesome, thank you. It is just the Esc key so it should work. Sweet

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« Reply #743 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 18:48:35 »
That pic was hilarious!

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« Reply #744 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 03:29:28 »
Quote from: ripster;260904
Plus - it would prove this thing has NVRAM somewhere in it.  Some high end gaming mice (I believe from Razer too) does this.

The only Razer thing I have around is a Copperhead mouse, which has this blurb:
  - 32KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
  - 16-bit ultra-wide data path

De-blurbed, it has some cheap ColdFire MCU with embedded flash. 32KB could be all of the MCU memory, so part of it is the firmware, but still there's space to write NVM settings. Copperhead stores profile, DPI selection and USB poll rate, at least.

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« Reply #745 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 12:58:12 »
Quote from: clickclack;261037
That pic was hilarious!

I re-added it - I thought to remove it in case Razer people were offended-just a joke. But to be fair I also offer a thought on what Razer could do to bring in a similar but different market

Developers and bloggers would love this keyboard but many don't realize that. This is great (BlackWidow) to get people into the realization that there is a difference/alternative. But the fonts and colors would make it so that many would not want to bring to work. Developers are a lot of times gamers, but there is something even more powerful about something excellent and simple at the same time

Looking backwards is always fun, and the technology could be amplified by simplicity on the outside and a subtle attribute to the past

Someone could capitalize on "Choose your color" to help people get the right switch for their environment.

A gaming company has their foot in the door - if they reskinned and removed the "Disable Windows Button" (it was confusing to everyone at work - they were like: "wait - it disables the windows button? For what?" because all their games are probably on WII), the macro stuff and everything else is a reason way for anyone I know to upgrade!

For example, now:


But have a mini site, perhaps a DBA with the same infrastructure but a tweaked message and product:



something like that
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« Reply #746 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 01:21:23 »
Hi! I'm new to this forum, but I've heard a lot about geekhack at computerbase from Cartmenez sidestream and bullveyr, so I thought I just had to register.
;)

I just can tell you something about the Black Widow, also when I had not read pretty much in this thread, because it's just so f****ng much to read ;)

I've got the Black Widow for now about 2 and a half weeks. It's german layout and I bought it near vienna.

The strange thing about this is, that the shop there and in my hometown got the non-Ultimate edition, but you just can't find it in any online shop or at Razer directly in german layout now. Just here in Austria in these 2 Shops I saw it.

But fact is, that after this two weeks the printing on the keycaps starts to darken. It's like spilling sunflower-oil on paper (so that you understand how it looks).

I can add you some pics if ya want. I tried to scratch with my fingernails but it doesn't peel off it just darkens.

Pretty shi**y that such a thing happens after already two weeks.

For some infos you can read here: (For those who understand german ;) )
http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=823242

And here some pics of the keycaps.
http://img145.imageshack.us/g/17122010027.jpg/
« Last Edit: Wed, 22 December 2010, 01:37:08 by ph0enX »
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« Reply #747 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 01:50:43 »
Thanks for the tip!

That would be really awesome if that works.

The pics were just posted in my previous message ;)
« Last Edit: Wed, 22 December 2010, 01:53:02 by ph0enX »
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Offline BlueRain

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« Reply #748 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 02:03:26 »
Hmm... didn't see that problem after using it for almost a month, though the lighting in my room is semi-dim.

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« Reply #749 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 02:06:03 »
I would assume its just hand grime getting into the tiny pockets in the plastic/fill.  Scratching wouldnt remove it because its below surface level.  Only a chemical/alcohol cleaner can break that stuff up and remove it.

Let us know how it goes.

Edit:  BTW, if just rubbing it with simple green does not do the trick, you can try removing the keys and letting them soak in the stuff overnight.

Be careful what cleaner you use though, ripster has a post somewhere in the wiki that shows the results of different chemicals on keycaps/printing
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