Author Topic: Razer Mechanical? (Read 246830 times)

Arc'xer · « **Reply #550 on:** Thu, 14 October 2010, 23:59:49 »

Quote from: skartt;233994

Sorry, but the additional required CPU time is insignificant, even for gamers.
(TT esports also market 1000Hz polling for their Keyboards, besides ventilators :c))

While that's true for older CPUs.

Sheer fact is no way the motherboard does 1000Hz constantly. Same with mice polling rate, people should keep the polling rate near 500Hz to avoid fluctuations.

Key word: "Markets" 1000Hz, which is impossible even for mice to maintain constantly due to limitations.

mrblond · « **Reply #551 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 00:52:41 »

Quote from: manfaux;234045

when is this gonna be available?

Nov 28 according to the Email i received. Keep in mind it has been delayed 2 times so far.

Arazara · « **Reply #552 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 04:21:22 »

Hi everyone,

I'm new to mechanical keyboards. Been reading through the informative threads in this forum.

Could anyone enlighten me if its possible to change the keycaps of the blackwidow with other keycaps (filco, duckey, custom etc) if they fade off in the future?

Brodie337 · « **Reply #553 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 04:48:16 »

It should be, but you'll have to use keycaps from another illuminated keyboard if you want to keep the backlighting.

Arazara · « **Reply #554 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 04:53:58 »

Wow tat was a fast reply. Thanks a lot.

Should b getting the regular version instead. Feel the extra money for lights is not really worth it.

Sent from my GT-I5700 using Tapatalk

aegrotatio · « **Reply #555 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 09:07:02 »

Readers' Digest vectors more dumb urban legends than teh internets do.

aegrotatio · « **Reply #556 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 09:10:28 »

Speaking of all the hype on gaming keyboards, at these price ranges, speed claims, and USB rollover nonsense, someone should get off their asses and create a real USB 2.0 keyboard with N-key and high speed polling already. I can't believe with all the hyperbole and crazy "expensive" keyboards with meaningless features that none of them are true USB 2.0 gaming devices. Are we really putting a V8 into a VW Beetle?

washuai · « **Reply #557 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:18:35 »

The razer mouse thing, isn't nearly as evil as setpoint for my Logi(&@#, so I'm guessing/hoping the same is true for the keyboard software. We know Logitech Setpoint is a PIA, but I haven't heard complaints about Razer keyboard software, aside from people that don't want to install anything at all. If I was gonna buy because of the software, I'd do some actual research, as opposed to just what has crossed my path.

RickyJ · « **Reply #558 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:20:02 »

Looks to me like the CS kids could just hold down a macro key to automatically do their crouch hopping or whatever they call it. Big cheats, lol.

itlnstln · « **Reply #559 on:** Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:27:03 »

Copy/Paste would make a great macro for me. ****, you think I do my own work (especially with as much time as I spend here)? I've been letting other people get me promoted my whole career.

Moogle Stiltzkin · « **Reply #560 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 11:56:29 »

Quote from: washuai;234338

The razer mouse thing, isn't nearly as evil as setpoint for my Logi(&@#, so I'm guessing/hoping the same is true for the keyboard software. We know Logitech Setpoint is a PIA, but I haven't heard complaints about Razer keyboard software, aside from people that don't want to install anything at all. If I was gonna buy because of the software, I'd do some actual research, as opposed to just what has crossed my path.

Setpoint ? you sure ?

I'm using it for my G500 and it works lovely. What exactly is the problem with the Setpoint

The razer on the otherhand cannot update the firmware on the Death Adder for Win7 64bit :/

Anyway, how does the Razer leds compare to the Deck legend ? Or is the Blackwidow Ultimate going to be as lack luster lighting like my Logitech G15 V1 ? (very dim)

Kblavkalash · « **Reply #561 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:23:36 »

Do other people hear cherry blues in another room?

I don't want other people not sleeping because of keyboard xD

Kblavkalash · « **Reply #562 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:33:18 »

Yeah cool advice

I listened many samples but that depends on volume level a lot on computer - can't really say much w/o trying myself.

Rajagra · « **Reply #563 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:52:06 »

Quote from: ricercar;232955

When president Ronald Reagan and wife traveled to Ireland, they were constantly correcting the people who called them "Reegin" instead of "Raygan".

Probably because Jack Regan was famous first. He had a better catch phrase too.

washuai · « **Reply #564 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 13:18:15 »

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;236405

Setpoint ? you sure ?

I'm using it for my G500 and it works lovely. What exactly is the problem with the Setpoint

The razer on the otherhand cannot update the firmware on the Death Adder for Win7 64bit :/

Anyway, how does the Razer leds compare to the Deck legend ? Or is the Blackwidow Ultimate going to be as lack luster lighting like my Logitech G15 V1 ? (very dim)

Yes, setpoint I'm sure. For being bloatware setpoint doesn't accurately alert me to battery levels in my wireless optical trackman, it doesn't play well with non logitech tracking devices, it troubleshoots for crap and it won't let me change which button I want to use for right clicking. The only thing the setpoint does is cause moderately more accurate tracking, than when it isn't installed.

Well, my Death Adder is on XP, so I don't have the win7 64bit issue. Every part of the razer software worked for me, including firmware upgrading and doesn't seem to include unnecessary resource sucking, even with the profiles.

So Razer and/or Xarmor - are the keys going to turn into glowing blobs or not? That layer of black on the razer doesn't look convincingly thick to me.

Kblavkalash · « **Reply #565 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 13:27:48 »

Quote from: ripster;236425

Well, that's why I included a mouse click and rubber dome keyboard sample. Surely you have one of those?

Yeah I have that one for 10 bucks and I used that 10 years already and had no idea about mechanical keyboards before since 2 days ago^^

Kblavkalash · « **Reply #566 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 14:30:23 »

Your link does not work

but yeah I read that guide yeasterday really nice one, gonna buy mechanical one, just now need to find one cause noone selling in my country ^^

Razer I think will come in our stores I think, cause it's razer xD so I am looking forward to this one.

boo1010 · « **Reply #567 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 15:59:01 »

I noticed there was a contest going on at Razer. The ultimate prize is a choice of your Professional Gaming Mouse, your ideal Professional Gaming Surface and Gaming Keyboard (just tell us which one you would like to have - it‘s yours), the Razer Megalodon 7.1 Gaming Audio Headset, Razer Armadillo2 Mouse Cable Management System, a Razer Attitude Tee, Razer Messenger Bag, Razer Gear Rack and a Razer l33t Pack.

If you refer 10 people you also qualify for the l337 prizes (there are 1337 of them)

Contest ends 10/25

Open to the world (yay for non-US geekhackers).

I have included my referral link to the contest below. Hopefully some of us will win some cool swag (I would think it includes the blackwidow ultimate).

On a side note...my first post!!!:first: Been reading for a bit, but haven't seen this posted around here and thought it was relevant. I was thinking of getting the BW, but even better if it's free.

Linky

laden3 · « **Reply #568 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 16:42:16 »

Quote from: boo1010;236492

I noticed there was a contest going on at Razer. The ultimate prize is a choice of your Professional Gaming Mouse, your ideal Professional Gaming Surface and Gaming Keyboard (just tell us which one you would like to have - it‘s yours), the Razer Megalodon 7.1 Gaming Audio Headset, Razer Armadillo2 Mouse Cable Management System, a Razer Attitude Tee, Razer Messenger Bag, Razer Gear Rack and a Razer l33t Pack.

If you refer 10 people you also qualify for the l337 prizes (there are 1337 of them)

Contest ends 10/25

Open to the world (yay for non-US geekhackers).

I have included my referral link to the contest below. Hopefully some of us will win some cool swag (I would think it includes the blackwidow ultimate).

On a side note...my first post!!!:first: Been reading for a bit, but haven't seen this posted around here and thought it was relevant. I was thinking of getting the BW, but even better if it's free.

Linky

I was tricked to click on something similar that too, I wonder why Razer is so desperate that they have to use this "chain letter" tactic to market their products? btw, just create 10 e-mail accounts, its easier...

phate408 · « **Reply #569 on:** Wed, 20 October 2010, 17:46:13 »

Quote from: ripster;236527

? Nothing desparate about it.

It's called good marketing and obviously is working.

Fairly effectively, this is the second time I've heard about it today.

zefrer · « **Reply #570 on:** Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:40:40 »

"If you forward this email to 10 other people you may have already won a brand new washing machine! Yay!"
Right. Marketing.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #571 on:** Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:47:00 »

It encourages spam. I've seen sites ban Razer's domain completely as a result of the referrer contest filling the forums up with spam. This isn't the first referrer contest they've done.

AngryRedGold · « **Reply #572 on:** Thu, 21 October 2010, 10:35:07 »

Quote from: ripster;236785

Full specs on the BlackWidow software.

Using software as a competitive advantage against Xarmor and Deck.

I have to say that the macro flexibility on this board is very enticing. I'm not certain if I can (or would) use it for gaming, but it may be a great work keyboard. These days I use a Logitech G13 at work for minimizing clicks and streamlining repeated tasks. Having that same capability right on my keyboard AND having mechanical key action is kinda awesome.

AngryRedGold · « **Reply #573 on:** Thu, 21 October 2010, 10:39:21 »

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;236405

Setpoint ? you sure ?

I'm using it for my G500 and it works lovely. What exactly is the problem with the Setpoint

The razer on the otherhand cannot update the firmware on the Death Adder for Win7 64bit :/

Anyway, how does the Razer leds compare to the Deck legend ? Or is the Blackwidow Ultimate going to be as lack luster lighting like my Logitech G15 V1 ? (very dim)

I'm not certain why there is so much Setpoint hate, either. Other than .exe-specific profile loading (which I've yet to see any macro software perform consistently), the program has always performed beautifully for me. I know people complain about it being a resource hog, but its sucking up a whopping 4K on my machine-- I think it can handle it.

Rajagra · « **Reply #574 on:** Thu, 21 October 2010, 11:13:13 »

Quote from: ripster;236785

Using software as a competitive advantage against Xarmor and Deck.

I wish someone would write a decent macro program, basically something like the G15 software but working with any keyboard and programming any keys. Then keyboard manufacturers could forget all that bull**** and start focusing on the quality of their hardware.

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #575 on:** Fri, 22 October 2010, 10:40:52 »

Doesn't look that cool.....

The only thing interesting about the Razer Black Widow to me will be a) what it will do for the mechanical keyboard market and b) what will happen when they are on sale at a local MediaMarkt and I come buy to let one of their educated employees explain to me what's so great about the Black Widow and mechanical keyboards in general

Flikstrr · « **Reply #576 on:** Fri, 22 October 2010, 23:29:11 »

Quote from: ripster;233525

Lycossa has other problems. Hope the illuminated Black Widow fares better than this guys spacebar.
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this is exactly what mine did! and today the 'd' key totally gave up for no reason (eg i wasnt mashing it or gaming at the time). Im currently using the on-screen keyboard.

its kinda why i ended up on here.. researching my next purchase, perfomances, reading reviews etc...

The black widow was on my list as was the G7 steelseries and the Filco's.. I think from reading reviews im gonna go with the Filco with brown mx xherrys ... ever so slightly quieter if ive learnt corrently and more tactile touch. It also allows me to get GH keys and the custom skull keys click's working on.

oh an ill OBVIOUSLY be as good as fruit dealer is on SC2 instantly as im on a Filco. lol :p

Tofurkeymeister · « **Reply #577 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 11:06:01 »

A few more pics:

Zypher · « **Reply #578 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 12:15:07 »

Hello everyone!

I'm just looking around for keyboard reviews and found this forum, you guys have awesome databases

I was reading this thread from page 1 to 30 and got some information overloaded LOL

I'm looking for my first mech keyboard right now since my crappy Lycosa worn out by me smashing on their keys too much (seriously I only brought it because it's remap/macroable)

I'm considering BW (with LEDs, 'cos I have to use it mostly in the dark. Also I really need macros) but someone said that Cherry Blues have to lift up further than the actuation point in order to reactuate, is it really that tall to effect gameplay? Sometimes I play music-games that requires me to press key(s) as rapid as 5 times a second or more, so I don't wanna release the key all the way up.
And I'm wondering whether the BW will ghosts around ASDFJKL; cluster (plus space bar) because that's where I play.

I'm gonna buy BW for sure due to their macro, but if it couldn't keep up with the requirements for my music-gaming, i would buy a second board to do so.

Can you help me think of boards that suits me better in music-gaming? I press (or smash) on keys very rapidly and I want it to have low actuation force and do tactile but still keep up with rapid firing (click is nice but I would be fine without it) and also with NKRO and very low response time too. Filco's ?

Thx

Kairxa · « **Reply #579 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 12:24:33 »

Quote from: Zypher;238026

Hello everyone!

I'm just looking around for keyboard reviews and found this forum, you guys have awesome databases I was reading this thread from page 1 to 30 and got some information overloaded LOL

I'm looking for my first mech keyboard right now since my crappy Lycosa worn out by me smashing on their keys too much (seriously I only brought it because it's remap/macroable)

I'm considering BW (with LEDs, 'cos I have to use it mostly in the dark. Also I really need macros) but someone said that Cherry Blues have to lift up further than the actuation point in order to reactuate, is it really that tall to effect gameplay? Sometimes I play music-games that requires me to press key(s) as rapid as 5 times a second or more, so I don't wanna release the key all the way up.
And I'm wondering whether the BW will ghosts around ASDFJKL; cluster (plus space bar) because that's where I play.

I'm gonna buy BW for sure due to their macro, but if it couldn't keep up with the requirements for my music-gaming, i would buy a second board to do so.

Can you help me think of boards that suits me better in music-gaming? I press (or smash) on keys very rapidly and I want it to have low actuation force and do tactile but still keep up with rapid firing (click is nice but I would be fine without it) and also with NKRO and very low response time too. Filco's ?

Thx

Are you talking about o2jam? ASDFJKL; cluster + spacebar?
If yes, BW is a hella big no-no. I wonder how you managed to play o2jam with Lycosa though :|
If no, personally I don't really like blue switches for playing those kind of game though. Rubber dome will be the best.

Zypher · « **Reply #580 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 13:38:42 »

Quote from: ripster;238031

If you want true NKRO you have the Deck Legend and Xarmor as backlit options. Unfortunately no reviews have been posted at Geekhack so you'll need to do a search.

Thanks for your info on the BW

Actually my music-gaming keyboard doesn't requires backlight, so i tends to like Filco because of designs

I just want to know which switch should i get.

Quote from: Kairxa;238032

Are you talking about o2jam? ASDFJKL; cluster + spacebar?
If yes, BW is a hella big no-no. I wonder how you managed to play o2jam with Lycosa though :|
If no, personally I don't really like blue switches for playing those kind of game though. Rubber dome will be the best.

- Yes, it's O2Jam. And some DJmax (8keys) and many others.
- That's the reason why i broke it and finding a new board for myself

- I think rubber domes are not having enough lifespan for such games (i already broke few of them) so i'm looking for a mech for it. maybe browns instead of blues? any ideas?

Kairxa · « **Reply #581 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 14:15:50 »

Haven't tried browns for jamming though, but blues bugged me because they gave me goods instead of cools in o2jam :|
Maybe browns will be better. But still, those two are kinda too light for me.

Fwiffo · « **Reply #582 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 14:25:41 »

Maybe it's one of those situations where blacks or reds might be appropriate?

arc2 · « **Reply #583 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 14:26:32 »

Quote from: Zypher;238026

Hello everyone!

And I'm wondering whether the BW will ghosts around ASDFJKL; cluster (plus space bar) because that's where I play.

Thx

My advice is to have this checked out reliably before you part with your money. I learnt the hard way with another board.

Zypher · « **Reply #584 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 14:38:35 »

I've tried the BW for a bit at an exhibition. It does feels great for me though, I kinda like the light/clicky feel of it 'cos it reminds me of music game controllers.

But I didn't try "gaming" with it, so I don't know if the "reactuate point" (or whatever does it call anyway LOL) of the Blues would be the problem if I don't fully release the keys while rapidly pressing them.

Quote from: Kairxa;238103

but blues bugged me because they gave me goods instead of cools in o2jam :|
Maybe browns will be better. But still, those two are kinda too light for me.

Maybe we have to match the click from the keys right when the note hits, maybe some timing adjustments required, no big for me though

Quote from: Fwiffo;238107

Maybe it's one of those situations where blacks or reds might be appropriate?

I've never tried Reds, but I did tried SteelSeries 7G which i feel that it's keys are a bit heavy for my taste. And I want to have a tactile feedback too.

Zypher · « **Reply #585 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 16:06:44 »

From the chart it seems like hysteresis distance is just about 1mm or less (right?), that won't effect me much. Thanks a lot for your info

PS. I'm actually typing on Blackberry right now LOL, geekhack works perfectly fine on it, makes me even more addicted reading this forum XD

MyNameIsDan · « **Reply #586 on:** Sun, 24 October 2010, 22:32:39 »

Quote from: ripster;238131

Personally I prefer Brown Cherrys for gaming. They make me fall asleep when typing though (like now).

Hater.

Dobbs2010 · « **Reply #587 on:** Wed, 27 October 2010, 12:16:43 »

For anyone that's interested, I emailed Razer yesterday to ask when the BW will be available with a UK layout. They told me the world wide release will be in December and a UK layout would be available then. They didn't specify a year though. Still think I'm getting the Das. I love the look of it, and the build quality should be better.

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #588 on:** Thu, 28 October 2010, 07:34:25 »

The Das is awesome, I can confirm.

The shiny topping of the keys is just plain stupid though. I am too lazy to clean it, it never looks good unless freshly cleaned.

Still a sexy board though, quality and feel are awesome. Also I surprisingly finding myself putting the USB hub to constant use. Also it has media keys, luv it.

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #589 on:** Thu, 28 October 2010, 09:14:40 »

Oh, then I got it backwards, I thought the had media keys, then they shipped it for a few months without then returned to media keys.

Well getdigital.de seems to exclusively have stock of the ones with media keys.
also with UK and US layout btw.

So if u want a Das Model S with media keys : http://www.getdigital.de

I also found out that my Das isn't actually brand new, it was sold and returned, inspected and has no scratches or anything, just the package was opened before, but it isn't brand new. Still I have 2 years warranty from getdigital.de on it and could have returned it within 30 days. Pretty sweet.

I also recently saw a Model S Professional with US layout (same condition as mine, bought returned, basically new but not "factory new" and with 2 years warranty) get sold on German ebay for an INCREDIBLE: 27€
Yeah I know, I should have bought and sold it here... The German layout ones still sell for around 70+ €
They don't regularly sell them in auctions but if they do, you can make a good bargain there and they all seem to have media keys.
Maybe I should post this in the ebay finds?

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #590 on:** Thu, 28 October 2010, 09:25:31 »

Quote from: ripster;239811

Seems more logical than posting it in a Razer Mechanical keyboard thread.

your logic is flawless yet again obi wan

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #591 on:** Thu, 28 October 2010, 11:24:40 »

I heard that's a rite of passage here on geekhack

Kairxa · « **Reply #592 on:** Thu, 28 October 2010, 14:11:31 »

For the F-ing first time, Razer will be having a booth in Indonesian computer exhibition.
Lessee the BW over there. I'll post some picture later. It's scheduled for November 3rd - 7th.

aegrotatio · « **Reply #593 on:** Thu, 28 October 2010, 21:46:27 »

Quote from: ripster;239811

Seems more logical than posting it in a Razer Mechanical keyboard thread.

Nominated for Geekhack Post of the Year.

Kairxa · « **Reply #594 on:** Fri, 29 October 2010, 05:36:10 »

Non-mechanical blackwidow clone, from Razer themselves. Funny.

zefrer · « **Reply #595 on:** Fri, 29 October 2010, 05:45:20 »

"Essential" gaming keyboard. I laughed

Marketing think they're so clever sometimes. It's not a ****ty cost saving version of the more expensive product, it's an 'essential' keyboard.

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #596 on:** Fri, 29 October 2010, 07:51:35 »

it also looks schaweeeeet with purple lighting around it ^^

squarebox · « **Reply #597 on:** Fri, 29 October 2010, 08:12:48 »

Razer Abyssus + Cyclosa = USD$45
Not a bad price for gamer on a budget...

I thought Abyssus were 3200 Dpi... *weird*

Zypher · « **Reply #598 on:** Fri, 29 October 2010, 09:58:46 »

Quote from: Kairxa;239923

For the F-ing first time, Razer will be having a booth in Indonesian computer exhibition.
Lessee the BW over there. I'll post some picture later. It's scheduled for November 3rd - 7th.

I think BW would be there for sure, since Razer have already show it in Thailand (along with the Ironclad / Orca / Starcraft2 and Tron stuff as well).

Quote from: squarebox;240127

I thought Abyssus were 3200 Dpi... *weird*

I own an Abyssus as for my backup mouse, it has "3.5G optical sensor with 3500dpi" (said on the packaging)
[note: the tracking is OK but the liftoff distance was SUCKS! About half a centimeter to cuts off tracking!]
So this is maybe an old version of Abyssus with downgraded sensors? Like the DeathAdder with old and new versions of sensor (3G 1800dpi and newer 3.5G 3500dpi)

BTW BW clone has on-the-fly macro!

sixty · « **Reply #599 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 11:06:29 »

I received the Black Widow today. Expect a more detailed review on it soon on MrInterface's website.

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Author Topic: Razer Mechanical? (Read 246830 times)