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Offline In Stereo!

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« Reply #400 on: Sun, 12 September 2010, 01:33:55 »
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;222218
They blew the NKRO diode budget on a voltage oscillator for the logo's LED.


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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #401 on: Sun, 12 September 2010, 08:18:16 »
Read it again, those guys at Razer are good at marketing. They don't promise anything but optimized layout, also at same time they say ps/2 provides NKRO, but with USB it has something similiar and some extra options...

So, I would expect they would even promise 6KRO, but not even that....
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Offline erricrice

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« Reply #402 on: Sun, 12 September 2010, 12:26:22 »
Razer says Oct. 13th, but who knows?
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Buckling Spring: Model M 1391401(1988 & 1993)
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Offline erricrice

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« Reply #403 on: Sun, 12 September 2010, 18:17:37 »
Ahh yes, I see.

Well, I'm hoping to find some reviews soon after so we can really work out the details...
I\'m selling all my Shizz! Please buy it!

White ALPS: Northgate Omnikey 101-NCS(Real-Complicated)****Filco Zero FKBN87Z/EB(Fukka Simplifieds)****Siig MiniTouch(XM Simplifieds)
Black ALPS: Black Dell AT-101W(Real-Complicated)****ABS M1(Modded Black ALPS, Linear)
Buckling Spring: Model M 1391401(1988 & 1993)
Cherry Blues: DAS III Pro
Cherry Blacks: Cherry G80-11900
Cherry Browns: 3X Cherry G80-8113LRCUS-2
Cherry MY: G81-7000HPBUS-2****G81-3000LANUS-0****Modded to 20g
Rubber Dome: HHKB Lite 2 (White & Black)

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Offline a_fluffy_kitten

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« Reply #404 on: Sun, 12 September 2010, 18:25:50 »
Quote from: ripster;222419
[stuff about a razer keyboard]

ripster do you prefer the Filco blue to the Unicomp because you like the switches better, or because the Filco is smaller and better looking?
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Offline WhiteRice

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« Reply #405 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 10:50:17 »
Quote from: ripster;222733
20,000 views.  Popular thread.

And now the answer you've been waiting for.


Both.

Offline a_fluffy_kitten

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« Reply #406 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 15:08:58 »
Quote from: ripster;222733
Both.


I'm surprised to hear you say that since buckling springs are the Greatest thing ever.  Just ask the internet.

Regardless, I'm precisely 99.3% settled on the Filco Blue Seventeenkeyless (go ahead and check - I counted).  If only Unicomp made a Seventeenkeyless too.

That was black.

And nkro.

And free.
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Offline In Stereo!

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« Reply #407 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 15:26:04 »
Most of the people that think that BS is the greatest thing ever, typed only on Model Ms and crappy rubber dome keyboards. No dilemma there.

Offline Nadger

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« Reply #408 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 23:06:46 »
http://www2.razerzone.com/behindthedesign

Quote
Our edge is in our technology and our talented scientists and engineers. For example, the Razer Mamba is the world’s first mouse that achieved gaming grade wireless technology and after 2 years, no other brand has come close to achieving our 1ms gaming grade wireless technology.
The Razer BlackWidow that we just launched is a great example. Other companies have just gone to Chinese or Taiwanese factories, obtained a mechanical keyboard, slapped on a logo and called it a gaming keyboard while charging exorbitant prices for them. We designed and engineered the Razer BlackWidow from ground up - essentially the world’s first true mechanical gaming keyboard.

More razer marketing or does that mean its really not an ione keyboard?
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #409 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 23:14:19 »
They're quite full of themselves, aren't they
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Offline Bullveyr

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« Reply #410 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 02:05:12 »
Feel free to believe them, I don't.

They also want people to believe that they made the sensors for the Deathadder or Lachesis.
Quote from: ripster;185750
Mechanical switches are mechanical.

Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #411 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 03:01:06 »
You can recognize just how full of themselves they are and how full of **** "themselves" is, by the announcement statement at gamescom earlier this year.

The Razer BlackWidow would be the "world's first mechanical gaming keyboard"

yeah right

(Un-?)fortunately, all the masses have proven over the years that this kind of marketing communication is exactly what they love. People just enjoy getting lied to and punked. Reminds of "Sweet Dreams" by Marylin Manson ...
But hey, at least through Razer we will have the option of actually buying backlit mechanical gaming keyboards in the future. Most of the other fools who apparently don't care about business or who just don't have it in them to run an efficient business will just go down the drain in the long run...
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Offline ichirichi

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« Reply #412 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 06:56:47 »
Quote from: ripster;223030
Bummer.  Razer not shipping yet.  Pushed to Oct 13th even if you pre-ordered.

From OCN.


For this reason, I will not buy it so quickly! Betch'a it's full of hardware and software bugs! :P

Offline ch_123

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« Reply #413 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 08:32:06 »
Quote
Hi,

Production for the Razer BlackWidow has hit a bit of a snag and is taking a wee bit longer than we projected, and that’s why the change in the release date.
We are currently preparing a mass email to be sent to all customers who preordered the Razer BlackWidow before the shipping date was changed.
The new shipping date is currently 13th of October for all orders.

Apologies for any inconvenience caused.


I hear the pygmies sprinkling the special Cherry switches with gold dust have gone on strike.

Offline a_fluffy_kitten

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« Reply #414 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 20:32:08 »
A personal friend of mine works at Razer and he said the hold-up is in the marketing department - in order to announce the keyboard is shipping they need ten superlatives for the press release and so far they have only thought up eight.
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« Reply #415 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 21:18:45 »
#10 ANTI-GHOSTING!!! Helps you win! =D

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« Reply #416 on: Fri, 17 September 2010, 12:14:28 »
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #417 on: Sat, 18 September 2010, 12:33:17 »
Quote from: ripster;224429
#11 Makes You Korean!!!



Sick, this btw gives room to question why WPM, why not CPM which would be universal(not counting of course non-latin)...
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Offline Moogle Stiltzkin

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« Reply #418 on: Sat, 18 September 2010, 17:25:36 »
Is there any credible info what key prints they are using, and what plastic type ?
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

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Offline Moogle Stiltzkin

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« Reply #419 on: Sun, 19 September 2010, 01:12:03 »
I love the font, but i am not too sure what key print quality it is. Thats the only thing keeping me away from these.
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

:bounce:

Current gaming keyboard: Ducky DK-9008 with Cherry Beige/White doubleshots (Cherry Mx Brown)

For my 2nd pc: Cherry G80-1095 HAU Revision 00 (Cherry Mx Black)

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Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #420 on: Sun, 19 September 2010, 01:34:26 »
OMG when's it out when's it out LOL.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #422 on: Sun, 19 September 2010, 01:36:23 »
Quote from: aegrotatio;224600
OMG when's it out when's it out LOL.


I like your logic.

Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #423 on: Mon, 20 September 2010, 17:37:12 »
That's weird, I don't remember posting that.
What it means is: When is it out?  When is it out?
It's anticipation.  No Yogi Berra logic there.
Daily Drivers: Ducky DK1087XM || DSI ASK-6600 || Rosewill RK-9000 BL, BR, BL, and RE || ABS M1 || Das Keyboard Silent || HHKB Lite and Lite 2 || DSI Big Font (kids love it)
Yearning for: Any ALPS keyboard || Any tenkeyless mechanical keyboard
Permanent collection: Poker Blue and Brown || Adesso MKB-125B || SIIG MiniTouch Geek Hack Space Saver || Chicony 5181 Monterey Blue || Chicony 5191 Clone Cherry Blues || Key Tronic 3600 || Unicomp Endurapro & SmarTrex || A crate of IBM Model M and Model M Space Saving boards || NeXTstation Slab || Amiga 3000 || BTC-5100C black and beige || SIIG MiniTouch Plus black and beige
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #424 on: Fri, 24 September 2010, 17:33:21 »
O yeah, you actually get to "hear" the tactile feedback. But he never presses any keys..... except when he wants to show off the back lighting.
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Offline Moogle Stiltzkin

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« Reply #425 on: Fri, 24 September 2010, 18:14:07 »
did that other utube say 139 USD ??? I thought it was suppose to be 200 USD ?
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

:bounce:

Current gaming keyboard: Ducky DK-9008 with Cherry Beige/White doubleshots (Cherry Mx Brown)

For my 2nd pc: Cherry G80-1095 HAU Revision 00 (Cherry Mx Black)

Dye subbed keys harvested from NCR 3299-k440-v001 G80-3007 SAU. Casing donated to Mike.
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Offline laden3

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« Reply #426 on: Fri, 24 September 2010, 18:55:17 »
Quote from: ripster;226442
This is Arnold Schwarzeneggers son reviewing it.


Looks like Cherry's marketing department fails, he is from Germany and he said "this keyboard than any other keyboards" when he talks abt the Cherry MX Blues. Or he is lying...
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Offline joker

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« Reply #427 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 05:23:02 »
none of the schwarzeneggers are from germany.. they are austrian ;)

Offline laden3

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« Reply #428 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 05:51:52 »
Quote from: joker;226535
none of the schwarzeneggers are from germany.. they are austrian ;)


Hitler is from Germany too
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Offline joker

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« Reply #429 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 05:56:09 »
you think thats funny?

Offline laden3

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« Reply #430 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 06:13:20 »
Eva Anna Paula Hitler was... Ok I thought that was funny, my apologies...
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Offline Findecanor

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« Reply #431 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 06:19:02 »
Quote from: ripster;226443
This video tells you absolutely nothing but I like the screen freeze.

2.11: "The first mechanical keyboard made especially for gaming" got me going...
They are of course just quoting Razer's press release.

Hmmm... Does Steelseries have ground for a lawsuit? If I were them, I would be pissed off.
Razer is balancing right at the edge ... claiming that their mechanical competition is just "standard mechanical keyboards rebadged as gaming keyboards".
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Offline Amp

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« Reply #432 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 14:54:08 »
Quote from: ripster;226442
This is Arnold Schwarzeneggers son reviewing it.


Jawohl Mein Herr!  Changing the location of the FCN keys was plain stupid.


No comment about the keyboard.

However, as a competitive gamer I find it highly amusing that in that video Rotterdam is using the Cypher-endorsed DeathAdder.

For those playing the home game, the closest analogy I could think of is to think of seeing a commercial of Alex Rodriguez endorsing some bat or helmet or some other product, then noticing that during the whole thing he's wearing Air Jordans. (yes, very rough and loose analogy, but go with it)
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Offline Amp

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« Reply #433 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 15:19:30 »
Quote from: ripster;226727
competitive level gamer


Haha, interesting distinction.

Even competitive gamers have a whole spectrum of skill levels :P

I will say this though after reading through this thread, other people find it disheartening when someone "falls" for marketing and buys a product solely off that. I find it just as disheartening when someone uses a company's marketing to discredit its product.

tl;dr, y'all are surprised (some, even offended apparently) that Razer has marketing that wants you to believe their keyboard as the best thing since sliced bread?
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Offline Amp

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« Reply #434 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 15:50:59 »
Quote from: ripster;226749
Well, a little  accuracy is all I ask.  The diagram of a 10 year old obsolete NMB "Space Invader" switch instead of a Cherry MX switch for example.  Does make you wonder what they were doing during that 4 years of R&D.


Eh, I usually just chalk it up to "marketers lie."
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Offline JaccoW

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« Reply #435 on: Sat, 25 September 2010, 16:39:43 »
Quote from: ripster;226442
This is Arnold Schwarzeneggers son reviewing it.

Jawohl Mein Herr!

Ripster, if you don't know what language someone is speaking please don't make any retarded jokes.
He's Dutch and his name is Kevin van der Kooi. You could have figured out the first part by his nickname. "Rotterdam", any idea where it is located?
Sorry to get so worked up over this, but
Quote from: ripster;226749
Well, a little  accuracy is all I ask.

Quote from: laden3;226537
Hitler is from Germany too

Even though Braunau am Inn is a border town, it is still Austria.
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« Reply #436 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 08:19:11 »
Quote from: ripster;226767
Sorry.  Apologies to the Dutch.  

In the USA we don't say "retarded".  We say "developmentally challenged".

It's allright Ripster. Sorry about that. It was late and I was tired. I can't stand racial stereotyping, that's the reason I reacted like that.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #437 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 13:59:42 »
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Q:       What type of mechanical key switch does the Razer BlackWidow use?
A:      The Razer BlackWidow uses tactile and clicky Cherry MX Blue mechanical key switches. Each of the mechanical switches has been sorted prior to manufacture to adhere to a strict design guideline.

a guideline Costar doesn't follow.

he mentioned the Keycaps are pad printed but he could be wrong. Deck Legend 105 and iOne XArmor U9BL have a glow that could be mistaken for a decal.


Offline Tofurkeymeister

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« Reply #438 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 15:31:52 »
My SLR is not available at the moment, so pics will have to come later. Here's a crappy one I took with my phone:



I have the regular version (no backlighting)

NKRO Test:
ASW - YES
ASX - YES
GHY - YES
ASDF - YES
JKL - YES
ERF - YES

In fact, most realistic combinations have 3 key rollover, and a few have four. The QWEASD cluster has 6 key rollover.

Some combinations without 3-key:

CXI - NO
XVI - NO

And so forth... as you can see they aren't commonly used combinations.

P.S. Posted on overclock.net (Ripster's favorite forum), as well.

P.P.S. Ok, the lettering looks pad printed at first, but its kind of hard to tell. You can definitely feel it raised up, though. Also, there is a letter of lighter material within the letter, maybe semi-transparent pad stuff to let light shine through. If you are wondering what fn + f12 does, it changes how the razer logo on the bottom lights up (low, med, high, glowing, off).
« Last Edit: Sun, 26 September 2010, 15:37:04 by Tofurkeymeister »

Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #439 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 15:42:57 »
What about combos with the arrow keys?

up+left+Z
down+right+A
up+left+W+A

etc.

Those are used for games where two people use the same keyboard, and for games that use the arrow keys for motion, such as Cave Story, Altitude, and also older games like Might & Magic.
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Offline Tofurkeymeister

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« Reply #440 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 15:53:14 »
As far as I can tell, arrows don't make a difference to n-key as long as you don't have more than 6 key's pressed at once (USB's limit).

ESDF players are in luck, all six keys in the WERSDF cluster can be pressed at once.

YUIHJK is six key as well for all you non-conformist southpaws out there.

P.S. Coming from a Model M, I'm now happy that I can walk forward while strafing while leaning in ARMA II. Also, a review may come, but this is only my second mechanical keyboard, so I can't judge it compared do other cherry blues. However, once I get my SLR back I'll try to do a mini-review of sorts.
« Last Edit: Sun, 26 September 2010, 15:57:11 by Tofurkeymeister »

Offline erricrice

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« Reply #441 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 16:20:41 »
Quote from: Tofurkeymeister;227050
As far as I can tell, arrows don't make a difference to n-key as long as you don't have more than 6 key's pressed at once (USB's limit).



Wait, but didn't you just confirm that it doesn't have n-key?

Failing any combinations would mean that it's not n-key.

Thanks for the info btw, good to have it after waiting so long...
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White ALPS: Northgate Omnikey 101-NCS(Real-Complicated)****Filco Zero FKBN87Z/EB(Fukka Simplifieds)****Siig MiniTouch(XM Simplifieds)
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Offline Tofurkeymeister

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« Reply #442 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 18:37:23 »
Quote from: ripster;227061
Eric, I think you may want to review the Nkey wiki.  



And Tofumeister there must have bribed a booth babe or something to get one because I did a quick check of the Singapore VR forum and they aren't talking about getting them in stores yes.

Tell them to hit up the Funan Digital Life mega technology mall. First time I've been there, let alone Singapore.

P.S. CH Computer to be exact: 6837 088 is the contact number.
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Offline Tofurkeymeister

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« Reply #443 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 19:25:41 »
2 days ago I was roaming around the 5 story Funan Digital Life Mall in Singapore when I stumbled across a Razer Black Widow keyboard in one of the more "gaming" oriented stores. After finding nothing else of interest in the mall and being unsuccessful in haggling down the price of 40GB Intel SSD, I bought the keyboard.




The keyboard is presented in the sort of clean, 1337 box one would expect of Razer. Opening up the package reveals the keyboard along with a smagorgasm of papers: a master guide, a quick start guide, 2 Razer stickers, a "Certificate of Authenticity", and a product catalog.










The keyboard itself carries over the clean, 1337 looks which are typical of Razer. Indeed, "1337" summarizes the main design theme of the keyboard, as is apparent in the angular lettering as well as the overglossy, fingerprint revealing keyboard shell. None the less, while the keyboard remains striking from afar, I find it not to be the most attractive of Razer's keyboards.



The build quality of the keyboard is high, with a braided USB cable as well as a hefty, sturdy design. The keycaps are textured and have an average level of wobble, but still feel durable.

The keyboard features a gentle slope of the keycaps which increases ergonomics, as does the slight incline of the area below the space bar, which makes for a convenient thumb rest. Two feet are present to increase the height of the keyboards if need be, with two (near indistinguishable) height settings.



The only concern I find is the junction between keyboard and cable which looks precarious, be sure to not rip the cord out by accident. Also, the m1-m5 keys are easy to hit when reaching for the right ctrl key.



The keycaps themselves appear to be made of an ABS-esque plastic with pad printed lettering. The lettering is not surrounded by the extended lettering pad associated with crappy OEM keyboards, as only the letters are printed. What is intriguing, however, is that within the lettering there is a fainter letter, which may be a form of semi-transparent material to allow light to pass through in the more expensive model. Overall, though, I find it difficult to determine the exact nature of the lettering printing process.



Moving on, we have the alternate lettering, which encompasses all the secondary functions (E.g. "!" instead of "1", ">" instead of ".", Volume Up instead of F3). This lettering is dark grey instead of white, and appears to be pad printed.



However, due to its color the lettering is difficult to make out in harsh light.



The switches of the keys are clicky and tactile, although I have yet to pry off a key to affirm what type they are (I really don't want to break the keyboard).Being my first clicky keyboard, I can appreciate the lightness of the keys when compared to the high force buckling spring mechanism of the Model M, which killed my wrists.

Despite apperaing to be cherry blue switches,when I used the Rip-O-Meter tool, I got a measurement of 60g (12 nickels) on the "F" key, "[" key, and the spacebar! This is intriguing, given that the cherry blue switch is designed to actuate at 50g.

What really makes the Blackwidow different from other mechanical keyboards, however, is not the switch type, but rather the software features. Out of the box, the function key is able to control the F-key commands of audio volume, media playback, and gaming mode (F11 - it disables the windows key). The F12 key combined with the function key changes the brightness of the razer logo on the bottom of the keyboard, it can be set to either low, medium, high, variable, or off.












To get the benefit of macro keys the software must the installed. The interface is clean and 1337, and enables each individual key (including letters) to:

a. Be remapped to another key

b. Initiate a recorded Marco

c. Switch Profiles

d. Launch a program

This tool is incredibly useful, making the registry hackery of SharpKeys unnecessary.



The macros themselves may be carefully constructed with the software macro tool, which takes into account delays. Additionally, by pressing [Fn] + [Right ALT] the macro recording feature is enabled. Simply press [Fn] + [Right ALT], then the desired macro, then [Fn] + [Right ALT] again, and finally the key to map it to. This feature does require the software to be installed to function.



The LED num lock indicators are hidden are hidden underneath the plastic shell, and are very subtle when compared to the blinding LED's of other keyboards. Each indicator has the shape of the lock it corresponds to, "C" for Caps Lock, "S" for scroll lock, and "1" for Num Lock.



Finally, we have N-key rollover. The BlackWidow doesn't have full n-key rollover, but is optimized for gaming. As such, it is sufficient for most gamers.

NKRO Test:
ASW - YES
ASX - YES
GHY - YES
ASDF - YES
JKL - YES
ERF - YES

In fact, most realistic combinations have 3 key rollover, and a few have four. The QWEASD, WERSDF, and YUIHJK cluster all have 6 key rollover.

Some combinations without 3-key:

CXI - NO
XVI - NO

And so forth... as you can see they aren't commonly used combinations.


Overall, I have to say that the Razer BlackWidow is a high quality, extremely functional product, especially given the $80 asking price. The apparent pad printing process raises concerns about the durability of the lettering, but at a price of $80 I would be hard beat to find a higher quality product. The Razer BlackWidow is definately worth a look for those looking to enter the mechanical keyboard game.



« Last Edit: Sun, 26 September 2010, 20:02:05 by Tofurkeymeister »

Offline ironman31

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« Reply #444 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 20:00:02 »
Nice. Glad we got some first hand impressions
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline a_fluffy_kitten

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« Reply #445 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 20:16:33 »
Quote from: Tofurkeymeister;227115
"Certificate of Authenticity"


lol

I guess that's so when you hand the keyboard down to your grandchildren they know it's not one of those cheap imitation Razers.
2x Filco Blue Tenkeyless (and boy are they nice)

Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #446 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 21:15:44 »
The keys are lasered.
Daily Driver: Noppoo Choc Mini
Currently own: IBM Model M 1391401 1988,  XArmor U9 prototype
Previously owned: Ricercar SPOS, IBM M13 92G7461 1994, XArmor U9BL, XArmor U9W prototype, Cherry G80-8200LPDUS, Cherry G84-4100, Compaq MX-11800, Chicony KB-5181 (SMK Monterey), Reveal KB-7061, Cirque Wave Keyboard (ergonomic rubber domes), NMB RT101 (rubber dome), Dell AT101W

Offline AvengeR

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« Reply #447 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 21:21:55 »
in the end is 2kro

does it work with a ps/2 adapter?

Offline laden3

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« Reply #448 on: Sun, 26 September 2010, 23:51:08 »
looks like its better than that Rosewill keyboard, too bad I want Cherry MX browns and I need that right windows key =(
I rrrove brrracks.

Offline v193r

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« Reply #449 on: Mon, 27 September 2010, 00:33:16 »
why did razer choose cherry blues? they said they did a test and conclude its the best gaming switch. its far from wat ive heard. i can imagine a black widow at lan. expect some one to get stabbed. i find the click to be annoying. plus when ur gaming with headphones you dont heard much of wat is outside so wat is the point.