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[IC] DSS White on Black | GB is Live!
« on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 12:27:41 »
DSS White on Black


GB IS LIVE!

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GB Dates: July 13th to August 17th

Vendors
USA: Leviathan Mech
Canada: AlphaKeys
Mexico: Rheset
Latin America: Fancy Customs
Europe: MyKeyboard
UK: Proto[Typist]
China/Asia: Zfrontier
South Korea: Monstargears
SEA: iLumKB
Oceania: Daily Clack



What Is It?
Hello, welcome to DSS White on Black. It's a sculpted white on black keycap set with white and green accent kits.

The DSS WOB group buy is scheduled to start on July 13th. Links to vendors above, pricing details below.

Pricing


Highlights
Separate alpha kits for flexibility
UK keys in latin alpha kit
Standalone colemak alpha kit
60% to TKL Mod kit for larger boards
Full standalone 40% and Ortholinear Mod kits
MacOS Mod kit
Sweet white and green accent kits (covers all board sizes)
RGB Mod kit for other color options

Specs
DSS Profile
Doubleshot
Text Mod Legends
ABS Plastic
Row Sculpts: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 3
Manu: Signature Plastics

More DSS Info

More
More info can be found here on the DSS profile and row sculpts SP DSS Spec Sheet.





KITS
Alpha


Colemak Alpha


60% + 65% + 75% + TKL MODS


40% MODS


Ortholinear MODS


Num Pad + 1800


Spacebar


Accent - White


Accent - Green


MacOS


NorDe


RGB





RENDERS




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Colors
WFK + NN: White on Black Alphas and Mods
NN + WFK: Black on White Accent
WFK + VAG: White on Teal Accent





UPDATES
More
July 9, 2021: Pricing update! New kit and board renders! GB Imminent!
May 24, 2021: Kitting updated
May 4, 2021: Vendors and Group Buy dates announced!
April 26, 2021: Kitting updated
April 24, 2021: Vendors signing on - announcement soon
April 21, 2021: Adjusted Colvrak kit to include more coverage, now Typist Kit
April 20, 2021: Pulled ISO accent enters into UK ISO kit along with R1 accent ESC
April 15, 2021: IC update with kitting overhaul, many additions and changes.
April 9, 2021: IC feedback recieved and kitting is being iterated on. Updated IC post coming soon.
March 27, 2021: IC is Live
March 22, 2021: Initial renders finalized
March 15, 2021: Renders v2
March 2, 2021: Renders v1
February 21, 2021: Initial kitting finalized
February 2, 2021: Initial kitting iteration
Who Knows: Started putting this together




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CREDITS
Thank you to Izeri for the final kit and board renders! Izeri Instagram.
Big thanks to Misonoworks for kit and board renders. That 40% board render with the pink ribbon is theirs the Ribbon, check it out here Misonoworks Discord.
Another big thank you to everyone in the 40% keyset design discord channel, specifically: NoPunIn10Did and acitrin.



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Offline Triticus

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 12:30:19 »
Reserved

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 12:36:29 »
Looks good, not much to say standard wob

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 12:45:58 »
Sign me up.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 15:16:46 »
What material is the DSS caps? I really  would love these in ABS material

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 15:56:50 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 15:57:55 »
What material is the DSS caps? I really  would love these in ABS material

DSS are still new in comparison to DSA, so they are only made in ABS.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 20:25:41 »
Yes.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 22:53:07 »
Love this one!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 03:24:56 »
What material is the DSS caps? I really  would love these in ABS material

DSS are still new in comparison to DSA, so they are only made in ABS.

Cool, cannot wait to try this profile

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 04:18:01 »
Please consider adding R1 Delete key

Oops. Never mind 😅

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 04:48:39 »
Whatís the texture of these caps?

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 07:36:21 »
Whatís the texture of these caps?
Smooth sides but textured top. Like DSA.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 07:45:19 »
Nice to see more DSS offerings.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 11:23:37 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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UK ISO either in the base kit or as a separate kit is definitely something I'm considering.

Another suggestion from Discord is an rgb mod kit. Added that and a question specific to Icon vs Text mods to the IC form.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 15:42:44 »
Filled out the form but I'll post my suggestion here too. Add the actual UK ISO keys and put them in a separate kit. The only thing in the base kit is the ISO enter, but it's entirely missing the rest of the keys to complete the ISO layout like the pound key (#~) and the quote legend on 2 rather than on '. Also backslash is where # should be on the base kit... for some reason. I hope there's a layout out there that has the backslash key there but I personally haven't seen it on any ISO keyboard...

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 28 March 2021, 19:04:15 »
Filled out the form but I'll post my suggestion here too. Add the actual UK ISO keys and put them in a separate kit. The only thing in the base kit is the ISO enter, but it's entirely missing the rest of the keys to complete the ISO layout like the pound key (#~) and the quote legend on 2 rather than on '. Also backslash is where # should be on the base kit... for some reason. I hope there's a layout out there that has the backslash key there but I personally haven't seen it on any ISO keyboard...

A real UK ISO kit is probably going to happen. Only reason for exclusion in the base kit was simply to start with a good simple kitting and see what would be requested. I'll probably do a re-kitting after about a week or so of feedback to reflect the current state. Thanks.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 30 March 2021, 13:59:33 »
I'm considering pulling out the alphas and going a full 40% and separate full ortho kit. Keeping the 60% more or less as-is, maybe dropping the F row in there. Numpad would also become its own kit. I like the flexibility that that provides. But if you were hoping to cover multiple boards you're going to end up paying more potentially. Something to consider there, hit me with any feedback on that. I'll put together a KLE on what I'm thinking and share it after any feedback comes in.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 30 March 2021, 18:12:36 »
I'm considering pulling out the alphas and going a full 40% and separate full ortho kit. Keeping the 60% more or less as-is, maybe dropping the F row in there. Numpad would also become its own kit. I like the flexibility that that provides. But if you were hoping to cover multiple boards you're going to end up paying more potentially. Something to consider there, hit me with any feedback on that. I'll put together a KLE on what I'm thinking and share it after any feedback comes in.

As far as I understood from the DCS Wyse GB attempt, SP just prices sets per-key (at a given MOQ), with no discounts or adjustments for combining them into bigger kits (at least for DCS). So I'm not sure splitting it this way makes sense. That's why SP sets run in all these weird small combinations, instead of in bigger "bundles" like GMK.

You could do something like: alphas, 60% mods, TKL nav + F row, numpad, 40% mods, and ISO-UK. Then (using example numbers only for illustration) price alphas, 60%, and TKL at 150 MOQ, price the numpad at 75 MOQ, price the 40s kit at 25 MOQ, and price the ISO-UK kit at 25 MOQ. Everyone gets to buy only what they need, without inflating the prices of the main kits.

Then again, I've never gotten a DSS quote so maybe SP has a totally different pricing structure.
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 30 March 2021, 20:23:12 »
I think it would be great to have the alphas separate from the mods. 40s and ortho would do well together, as their is a decent amount of overlap there.

I can't tell the exact sizes on the mods for 40s, but it looks like some things are missing. You should have a 1.75u and 1.5u backspace. Shifts should be 1.75u, 1.5u, and 1u.

If you want to be great, add a 1.25u backspace and an extra 1.75u shift.

There are some folks much smarter than me in the 40s discord that can offer done suggestions as well.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 31 March 2021, 11:56:36 »
If you want to be great, add a 1.25u backspace and an extra 1.75u shift.

I do want to be great. I'm hoping to be able provide solid coverage all around. It's such a basic set, that exclusion seems silly. Plus because it's monotone I figure I don't have a few keys, like accents, so I can include a few obscure keys and it won't be overboard price wise.

You could do something like: alphas, 60% mods, TKL nav + F row, numpad, 40% mods, and ISO-UK. Then (using example numbers only for illustration) price alphas, 60%, and TKL at 150 MOQ, price the numpad at 75 MOQ, price the 40s kit at 25 MOQ, and price the ISO-UK kit at 25 MOQ. Everyone gets to buy only what they need, without inflating the prices of the main kits.

Yeah, the kits you've laid out here is kinda what I'm thinking. There is an odd trade off (at least with SP pricing) where you can do a all-in-one kit and everybody pays somewhere around $135 for everything (minus accents in DSS WOB's case) or some people get away with $90 to cover one board, and others have to pay more like $150 to cover one bigger board. Then tack on something like a UK ISO or Accent kit on top of that. A la carte works better the cheaper the plastic. I have three options: All-in-one kit, A-la-carte kits, or a GMK style 60% focused base kit with child kits. For DSS I'm thinking one of the first two is best. Around $135 for one main big kit, or more smaller kits that end up being more expensive if you want to cover a lot of boards. Right this second I'm leaning toward one big kit.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 21:18:07 »
4/15/21 Update

Kitting has been overhauled and some additional kits have been added per requests from the first Google form. There's a new Google form for this version of the kitting. Please hit me with any feedback, suggestions, or questions you have.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 21:28:33 »
Yes, please WoB me.

That's a hell of a 40s kit! I see you've been working on some revisions. As much as I love to see maximum compatibility, I am personally of the attitude that getting the row profile and size correct is a lot more important than making everyone happy with exactly the right legends. GMK is tough because you can't re-use standard modifiers keys for R3, but with DSS you can do it easily. You can probably get the cost of the 40s kit down significantly by focusing only on having enough keys in the right shapes and sizes, rather than focusing on covering all possible combinations of modifiers.

That said, it looks like you're going for a setup where a 40s-oriented buyer only needs the 40s keys and doesn't need any of the TKL keys. That's a valid approach, if you are definitely going to be combining the 60s + TKL into one kit. But as others mentioned, the SP pricing structure lets you get really aggressive with "a-la-carte" kit design.
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 22:03:06 »
Yes, please WoB me.
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That's a hell of a 40s kit! I see you've been working on some revisions. As much as I love to see maximum compatibility, I am personally of the attitude that getting the row profile and size correct is a lot more important than making everyone happy with exactly the right legends. GMK is tough because you can't re-use standard modifiers keys for R3, but with DSS you can do it easily. You can probably get the cost of the 40s kit down significantly by focusing only on having enough keys in the right shapes and sizes, rather than focusing on covering all possible combinations of modifiers.
Yes, definitely don't disagree with anything here. The kitting as it stands now is probably as big as it will be. Definitely a couple keys in there that are potential cuts like the 2u Backspace and the extra 1.75u Shift (for dimple layout). And there might be more that could be culled because there's a row and size equivalent that covers the need. But cost wise right now with an alpha kit I think it's looking pretty good. So, it might be a little indulgent, but will probably try to keep it close to where it is unless there a few keys I could pull really drop the cost.

That said, it looks like you're going for a setup where a 40s-oriented buyer only needs the 40s keys and doesn't need any of the TKL keys. That's a valid approach, if you are definitely going to be combining the 60s + TKL into one kit. But as others mentioned, the SP pricing structure lets you get really aggressive with "a-la-carte" kit design.

Yes, 40s is meant to pair with Alphas and be good to go. And yea the TKL incorporated into the 60% kit was an attempt to reduce the overall number of kits. Definitely aware of the SP pricing and maybe a TKL kit could make sense. At the higher MOQ of the 60% kit though it might not actually make that much of a difference to a 60% user, but TKL, especially TKL and Numpad people will probably pay more.

Thanks for the feedback and the interest!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 23:09:53 »
VAG definitely looks more green than teal.  If that's the color you want, I think it's fine.  And I like the look of it.  I just wouldn't call it teal.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 06:19:11 »
VAG definitely looks more green than teal.  If that's the color you want, I think it's fine.  And I like the look of it.  I just wouldn't call it teal.

That's fair. Teal is more blue. Maybe Jade is a better name.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 09:01:36 »
From the IC Form:

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Missing R2 Tab, 2nd 1u R3 Shift for ortho kit

The R2 1u "OUT" is meant to be a generic legend that can cover Tab or Delete. But I think the need is for another R2 key, like just having a Tab and a Del looks like what some sets do.

For the Shift, I assume they meant a 2nd R4 Shift. Yeah this also makes sense because without it forces an R4 Enter on ortho.

I could add another R2 1u, possibly splitting Tab and Del back "Out" lol. And adding another R4 key makes sense, possibly Shift or a generic legend.

Ortho layouts are what I'm least familiar with so hit me with any suggestions.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 09:54:28 »
VAG definitely looks more green than teal.  If that's the color you want, I think it's fine.  And I like the look of it.  I just wouldn't call it teal.

That's fair. Teal is more blue. Maybe Jade is a better name.

Yeah, I was thinking Jade as well.  I really like that color with black, too.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 12:37:04 »
I think it would be great to have the alphas separate from the mods. 40s and ortho would do well together, as their is a decent amount of overlap there.

I can't tell the exact sizes on the mods for 40s, but it looks like some things are missing. You should have a 1.75u and 1.5u backspace. Shifts should be 1.75u, 1.5u, and 1u.

If you want to be great, add a 1.25u backspace and an extra 1.75u shift.

There are some folks much smarter than me in the 40s discord that can offer done suggestions as well.

Good stuff.

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I think with the new kitting changes I covered a lot of your feedback here. Let me know if there is anything else!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 12:43:10 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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Check it out now, UK alphas in the alpha kit. UK ISO in 60% kit and a NorDe kit!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 18:04:40 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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Check it out now, UK alphas in the alpha kit. UK ISO in 60% kit and a NorDe kit!
Awesome thank you
Does this mean I will have to pick up a 60% kit to get the enter key and a separate accent kit to get the rest of the UK ISO?
Would be nice if the enter key was moved over to the accent kit which would be slicker (unless I'm missing something that is).

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 18:20:02 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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Check it out now, UK alphas in the alpha kit. UK ISO in 60% kit and a NorDe kit!
Awesome thank you
Does this mean I will have to pick up a 60% kit to get the enter key and a separate accent kit to get the rest of the UK ISO?
Would be nice if the enter key was moved over to the accent kit which would be slicker (unless I'm missing something that is).

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When you say "rest of the UK ISO" do you mean the alpha keys? UK alphas are in the base alpha kit. Accent ISO Enters are in the accent kits.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 17 April 2021, 14:38:40 »
Considering adding back in accent bars. Moved numpad accents to the numpad kit, because those are only relevant there. And I adjusted the color of the VAG accent kit, now called "Jade".

Might condense the R3 1u to an agnostic legend.


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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 17 April 2021, 18:03:43 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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Check it out now, UK alphas in the alpha kit. UK ISO in 60% kit and a NorDe kit!
Awesome thank you
Does this mean I will have to pick up a 60% kit to get the enter key and a separate accent kit to get the rest of the UK ISO?
Would be nice if the enter key was moved over to the accent kit which would be slicker (unless I'm missing something that is).

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When you say "rest of the UK ISO" do you mean the alpha keys? UK alphas are in the base alpha kit. Accent ISO Enters are in the accent kits.
I don't understand why the ISO enter key is separate to the UK ISO kitting - it would make more sense to move the ISO enter key to the accent kit so it is all together. Only my thoughts.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #34 on: Sat, 17 April 2021, 19:24:53 »
Love the set, wish it had decent international support though (please add UK ISO kit )

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Check it out now, UK alphas in the alpha kit. UK ISO in 60% kit and a NorDe kit!
Awesome thank you
Does this mean I will have to pick up a 60% kit to get the enter key and a separate accent kit to get the rest of the UK ISO?
Would be nice if the enter key was moved over to the accent kit which would be slicker (unless I'm missing something that is).

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When you say "rest of the UK ISO" do you mean the alpha keys? UK alphas are in the base alpha kit. Accent ISO Enters are in the accent kits.
I don't understand why the ISO enter key is separate to the UK ISO kitting - it would make more sense to move the ISO enter key to the accent kit so it is all together. Only my thoughts.

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The idea was to keep alphas with alphas, maybe there's a 40% UK board out there that needs WOB. And the ISO enter I think only makes sense in the 60% mod kit. But, I've also been weighing what to do with ISO Enter accents and I think pulling UK ISO including Accent enters into a separate kit might make the most sense.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 18 April 2021, 09:20:02 »
This is my new idea for the UK ISO support. Pull it back into a child kit but include the accent ISO keys and R1 ESC keys. Hopefully this is exciting because you get your ISO support, you get the accent keys that are most relevant to ISO. NorDe ISO also gets a bunch of value out of only 1 additional kit that they'd be buying anyway.

Also for you ISO Enter people, middle aligned legend or top aligned legend? Top aligned is nice because it will line up the legend with other R2 legends, vs middle which is doing it's own thing but centered on the key. Check out DSS Late Harvest for an example of a top aligned legend. https://nopunin10did.com/dss-late-harvest/




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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 18 April 2021, 10:34:35 »
Oh, look, exactly what Iíve been looking for, just the thing I need with the Norde for my office use board. Will absolutely jump in for this one.

Oh, and prefer top aligned enter!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 21 April 2021, 13:08:05 »
Oh, look, exactly what Iíve been looking for, just the thing I need with the Norde for my office use board. Will absolutely jump in for this one.

Oh, and prefer top aligned enter!

Great to hear! And thanks for the enter feedback, I'm leaning toward top aligned right now.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 22 April 2021, 09:37:56 »
I'm looking for some in put from you alternate layout people.

Currently I have a combined Colevrak kit, based on SPs Colevrak kit. I don't currently include a Colevrak Pro kit or support. I'm curious what alternate layouts you'd actually be interested in purchasing with this set. If for example it's mostly or entirely Colemak I'll just include a Colemak kit vs a combined kit.

Google Form for alternate layouts

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Kitting Overhaul
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 22 April 2021, 12:24:47 »
I'm looking for some in put from you alternate layout people.

Currently I have a combined Colevrak kit, based on SPs Colevrak kit. I don't currently include a Colevrak Pro kit or support. I'm curious what alternate layouts you'd actually be interested in purchasing with this set. If for example it's mostly or entirely Colemak I'll just include a Colemak kit vs a combined kit.

Google Form for alternate layouts

First off, thanks so much for thinking about including alternate layout child kits. I went ahead filled out the google form (Colemak DHm user here). I don't want to speak for everyone, but I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra to throw in the dvorak keycaps, even if they are of no use to me. An all encompassing Colevrak+ (also referred to as Typist) kit would be my recommendation. I think that ttom did a great job of taking feedback from the community in the GMK Colvevrak+ IC/GB.

Here's a link for reference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105239.0
GMK render of Colevrak+ kit: https://imgur.com/WaPCzTt

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Dvorak or Colemak?
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 22 April 2021, 12:38:10 »
I'm looking for some in put from you alternate layout people.

Currently I have a combined Colevrak kit, based on SPs Colevrak kit. I don't currently include a Colevrak Pro kit or support. I'm curious what alternate layouts you'd actually be interested in purchasing with this set. If for example it's mostly or entirely Colemak I'll just include a Colemak kit vs a combined kit.

Google Form for alternate layouts

First off, thanks so much for thinking about including alternate layout child kits. I went ahead filled out the google form (Colemak DHm user here). I don't want to speak for everyone, but I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra to throw in the dvorak keycaps, even if they are of no use to me. An all encompassing Colevrak+ (also referred to as Typist) kit would be my recommendation. I think that ttom did a great job of taking feedback from the community in the GMK Colvevrak+ IC/GB.

Here's a link for reference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105239.0
GMK render of Colevrak+ kit: https://imgur.com/WaPCzTt

Thanks for the great input and direction on the typist kit. I've dropped it into my KLE for reference.



Probably the most economical way to get the full support is to combine them. Each can support the other and one won't get canceled entirely.

The one thing I'd leave out is two homing key options. What do you think about that? Is dish only acceptable?
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Dvorak or Colemak?
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 22 April 2021, 13:02:23 »
The one thing I'd leave out is two homing key options. What do you think about that? Is dish only acceptable?

Yeah, since you are only going with deep dish F & J in the Aphlas kit, that totally makes sense to align the strategy for the Colevrak+ kit. Thanks again!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black - Dvorak or Colemak?
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 27 April 2021, 16:08:18 »
The one thing I'd leave out is two homing key options. What do you think about that? Is dish only acceptable?

Yeah, since you are only going with deep dish F & J in the Aphlas kit, that totally makes sense to align the strategy for the Colevrak+ kit. Thanks again!

I actually have no non-homing F & J, I have both bars and deep dish. I know the "correct" answer is to include both in the Typist kit. But being able to shave 5 keys off would be nice...

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 27 April 2021, 16:30:23 »
i have never tried DSS but might just be getting this to try since its WoB, GLWIC

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 05 May 2021, 23:17:13 »
GB Date is July 13th!

Vendors
USA: Leviathan Mech
Canada: AlphaKeys
Mexico: Rheset
Latin America: Fancy Customs
Europe: MyKeyboard
UK: Proto[Typist]
China/Asia: Zfrontier
South Korea: monstargears
SEA: iLumKB
Oceania: Daily Clack

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 05 May 2021, 23:19:56 »
i have never tried DSS but might just be getting this to try since its WoB, GLWIC

Thanks! Hopefully an easy set to try DSS out.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 23:24:04 »
Please add ilumkb as a vendor pleeeeeease.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 11:32:11 »
possible first dss kit for me. i appreciate wob, and already have gmk and mt3 (and i really, really do not like mt3 due to height and scoops) with kat refined on the way.

i appreciate the option for macos kit however i just realized that windows could be a kit, also. then people get what they want without paying for keys that they will *never* use. alternatively, maybe add two 1.5u system keys and another 1u alt key to base? only respond if you want, this is just my standard complaint about having windows format as the only choice in base kit for tsangan/hhkb bottom row.

glwic  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 11:49:26 »
GB Date is July 13th!

Vendors
USA: Leviathan Mech
Canada: AlphaKeys
Mexico: Rheset
Latin America: Fancy Customs
Europe: MyKeyboard
UK: Proto[Typist]
China/Asia: Zfrontier
South Korea: monstargears
SEA: iLumKB
Oceania: Daily Clack

Please add ilumkb as a vendor pleeeeeease.

Got it covered!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:41:47 »
possible first dss kit for me. i appreciate wob, and already have gmk and mt3 (and i really, really do not like mt3 due to height and scoops) with kat refined on the way.

i appreciate the option for macos kit however i just realized that windows could be a kit, also. then people get what they want without paying for keys that they will *never* use. alternatively, maybe add two 1.5u system keys and another 1u alt key to base? only respond if you want, this is just my standard complaint about having windows format as the only choice in base kit for tsangan/hhkb bottom row.

glwic  :thumb:

Hey thank you for the interest and the feedback. I think if MT3 felt too high DSS is definitely more similar to GMK (Cherry) height wise, just sculpted. Hope you enjoy it if you pick it up.

For the 1.5u System keys and that extra alt, these are keys I keep adding to the base kit and someone inevitably tells me to pull them. Definitely makes sense from a "MacOS support in the base  60% mod kit" but I think this is a "there has to be a cut line somewhere" situation. I have the MacOS child kit to add full Mac legend support and I don't know if Windows users would miss 1.5u System keys as I think in 1.5u instances the Win key is 1u, or non-existent (WKL). So, as I try adding keys back in in my non-public iterations these keys always stick out as a relatively easy cut.

I don't see 1.5u System or equivalent legends in some recent GMK kits, but if these are missed from this set I'll definitely consider them.