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[IC] Sperno59 | Vendors announced
« on: Fri, 11 March 2022, 17:51:47 »
Sperno59




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IC FORM



”sperno 59 | 12/08/2022”:

-    We now have most of our vendors. (except asia, working on that)
-    The colors of the final product compared to the prototype will be slightly darker.
-    Working on getting the current prototypes sent out to streamers.
These streamers will be doing sound tests and show off more of the board.


Introduction

I don’t use right shift, I do use arrows. So why don’t replace the right shift with arrows?
This way we can keep the "60%" format, with less compromise. (unless you use right shift of course)
Sperno means to despise/remove/reject etc. in this case, the right shift is the object... Also, it sounds funny.

We have made 2 versions, one with an aluminum bottom and another with a brass bottom.
The brass bottom is heavier and sounds better than the aluminum without foam.
With the alu bottom, you depend more on the provided foam to prevent sound from bouncing inside the case.
The upside is that the aluminum version is cheaper, and maybe you prefer the full alu look.


Specifications

Typing angle: 6o
Case material: Aluminum (and brass)
Weight: TBD
Colors: Anodized Black, Anodized Alu,  Anodized Blue, Anodized Wine Red
Mounting: Gasket boots (similar to suit)
Plate: Polycarbonate or Aluminum, with a lot of flex cuts
Solder layout options:                                                                   

Hotswap layout options:



Parts


1x Top case
1x Bottom case
1x Plate (polycarbonate or alu)
1x Plate foam
1x Case foam
1x PCB + daughterboard
16x gasket boots
4x Bumpons
8x Screws





Colors

Blue


Red


Black


Silver




more renders
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Renders by MarkTheWeeb



Where to buy?
US: Mechs&Co
EU: MyKeyboard
CA: Ashkeebs
AU: SwitchKeys
Asia: ?

MOQ: TBD
Sales date: TBD
Estimated delivery date: TBD


Prototype
One from each color has been ordered

Pricing

around 400usd, brass bottom will be more expensive than full alu, but still around 400

To do
Feedback based:
- Rework engraving
- More renders from different angles


General (Priority):
- Finish plate design
- Select manufacturer (contact with few currently)

- Receive prototype

- Get pricing
- Set GB date



Updates
More
12/03/2022: IC posted

13/03/2022: Way of selling being reconsidered

22/04/2022: big update posted, prototype ordered

forgot to update updates in here.
Mean time stuff like protos arrived, changed the layout a little.

12/08/2022: EU, AU and CA vendor announced





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« Last Edit: Fri, 12 August 2022, 05:32:49 by Biscuit »

Offline Biscuit

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 11 March 2022, 17:52:11 »
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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 11 March 2022, 18:19:02 »
gasket tray mount so lit
mad

Offline Getsome!!!

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 11 March 2022, 19:33:43 »
Dope layout. I really like it. The bezels are too small for me though.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 02:43:41 »
As a fellow non right shift user, I think this looks really interesting.  Arrow keys separated like that almost makes me think of the Cajal but made into a 60, which is definitely a good thing :)

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 02:49:15 »
Looks nice, but as I type "properly" that would mess me up.   I suppose there are enough who type "incorrectly" though. [edit]  The quotes denote sarcasm - I know there is no "correct" way...  but for those who touchtype using the home row method already have muscle memory for right shift every time you start certain sentences.
« Last Edit: Sat, 12 March 2022, 02:52:41 by QWER|key »

Offline Biscuit

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 04:00:04 »
Dope layout. I really like it. The bezels are too small for me though.

This is a tough one, I've had people say both too thick and too thin bezels.
Going to see what the best option is, might be to keep it this way, but I will see once I get more responses.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 04:02:57 »
Looks nice, but as I type "properly" that would mess me up.   I suppose there are enough who type "incorrectly" though. [edit]  The quotes denote sarcasm - I know there is no "correct" way...  but for those who touchtype using the home row method already have muscle memory for right shift every time you start certain sentences.

Yes, this layout is definitely not for people who type correctly. I have to tried to do it the right way, but it didn't work for me and I also guess many others.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 08:33:01 »
**** right shift

Buying

Offline Rpmorrison10

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 11:38:05 »
tap holds are amazing, You can easily make the up arrow, shift on hold, up arrow on tap

Offline djmantis

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 19:48:31 »
I like this layout idea a lot. I have thought about something similar in the past. I think my only issue so far is the "sperno" engraving on the front. I makes me think of "sperm" to much.

Offline Getsome!!!

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 12 March 2022, 20:14:21 »
Dope layout. I really like it. The bezels are too small for me though.

This is a tough one, I've had people say both too thick and too thin bezels.
Going to see what the best option is, might be to keep it this way, but I will see once I get more responses.

It's pure preference. I'd just go with what you yourself prefer. Personally, i LOVE giant MEGA bezels i.e. Piggy, M0110, etc.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 13 March 2022, 05:08:53 »
I like this layout idea a lot. I have thought about something similar in the past. I think my only issue so far is the "sperno" engraving on the front. I makes me think of "sperm" to much.

Yes, we are currently changing that. It did catch some eyes, the font I mean.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 13 March 2022, 18:25:38 »
I understand the idea but it'd be a very audience-dividng idea. As others have said, plenty of people type using rshift, myself included. "I never use rshift lol who uses rshift? therefore rshift is functionally pointless for everyone" is the same as saying "I hit spacebar with my index finger lol who uses thumb? therefore spacebar should just be on r3 somehow and here's a true ergnomic SKL (spacebar keyless) layout.". Of course if you just wanna make a keyboard for you, go for it! Just know you are actually alienating quite the userbase.
« Last Edit: Sun, 13 March 2022, 18:27:18 by 8um8lebee »

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 13 March 2022, 19:13:41 »
why the uneven gaps for arrows
« Last Edit: Sun, 13 March 2022, 19:15:36 by fishbiscuit13 »

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 14 March 2022, 08:32:02 »
nooooo my poor right shift what has the bad man done to you
yes, I'm the guy who put box jades on a Polaris

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 14 March 2022, 10:01:19 »
something refreshing for a chance. nice to see a flex hotswap layouts for the beginners.
very nice.
WTB: GMK Frost Witch ".>" key

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 14 March 2022, 10:08:20 »
thought it was a 65% for a few seconds

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 14 March 2022, 14:06:31 »
I understand the idea but it'd be a very audience-dividng idea. As others have said, plenty of people type using rshift, myself included. "I never use rshift lol who uses rshift? therefore rshift is functionally pointless for everyone" is the same as saying "I hit spacebar with my index finger lol who uses thumb? therefore spacebar should just be on r3 somehow and here's a true ergnomic SKL (spacebar keyless) layout.". Of course if you just wanna make a keyboard for you, go for it! Just know you are actually alienating quite the userbase.

Yes, that is why there a plenty of other keyboards for you to use that have Rshift. This board is for people that don't ever touch Rshift or right hand mods and instead would like arrow keys. 40%'s "alienate quite the userbase".

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 15 March 2022, 03:18:02 »
why the uneven gaps for arrows

We didn't want too big of a chin, so it is horizontally thinner. And we moved the arrows to the right, because otherwise it would look too empty.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 15 March 2022, 03:19:29 »
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I understand the idea but it'd be a very audience-dividng idea. As others have said, plenty of people type using rshift, myself included. "I never use rshift lol who uses rshift? therefore rshift is functionally pointless for everyone" is the same as saying "I hit spacebar with my index finger lol who uses thumb? therefore spacebar should just be on r3 somehow and here's a true ergnomic SKL (spacebar keyless) layout.". Of course if you just wanna make a keyboard for you, go for it! Just know you are actually alienating quite the userbase.
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Yes, that is why there a plenty of other keyboards for you to use that have Rshift. This board is for people that don't ever touch Rshift or right hand mods and instead would like arrow keys. 40%'s "alienate quite the userbase".

Exactly this. Thank you.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 15 March 2022, 04:55:03 »
I understand the idea but it'd be a very audience-dividng idea. As others have said, plenty of people type using rshift, myself included. "I never use rshift lol who uses rshift? therefore rshift is functionally pointless for everyone" is the same as saying "I hit spacebar with my index finger lol who uses thumb? therefore spacebar should just be on r3 somehow and here's a true ergnomic SKL (spacebar keyless) layout.". Of course if you just wanna make a keyboard for you, go for it! Just know you are actually alienating quite the userbase.

EVERY design decision is going to be "audience dividing". Including the R-shift would "alienate" people who like this layout becasue it lacks it. Your analogy in incredibly flawed. He's removing a duplicate key, not moving a key.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 16 March 2022, 01:40:47 »
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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 16 March 2022, 10:11:55 »
I too have never employed the use of a right shift key. I've often wanted to just chuck it off of my keyboard. What I don't want to chuck off of my keyboard is the function row though. I like having my F keys and a tilde. Love the layout aside from that.

Even given this drawback (for me) I might still consider this. You end up with a pretty compact board with a fairly minimal sacrifice at the end of the day, and I do appreciate the exploded arrow cluster.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 16 March 2022, 11:35:38 »
Digging the layout, barely ever use r-shift. Nice to have the size of a 60% with arrows.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 keyboard | R-shift?
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 16 March 2022, 11:38:06 »
10/10 **** right shift

not that i use dedicated arrows either though
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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Big update
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 26 April 2022, 12:16:00 »
Big update

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | More Renders
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 25 May 2022, 09:54:20 »
More renders

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 27 June 2022, 04:50:16 »
protos have finished production and are shipping to us.
We have received pictures that we posted in the discord server.
Because the pics by the manu are not that great i haven't posted them here.
We will provide better pics of the protos when received and do post them here.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 13 July 2022, 09:49:12 »










Some pics of the case for now.
More pictures coming with the fully built keyboard for example.
But not all parts have arrived yet

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 13 July 2022, 10:08:37 »
This is sweet, my only wish is that the hotswap PCB supported split backspace, which I guess would need to be done Wuque style with the split keys being north-facing

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 14 July 2022, 01:56:02 »
Any chance for a e-coated black version?

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 14 July 2022, 04:43:32 »
That Blue proto doesn't look close to the initial renders. Are you happy with it or are you still planning to tweak it a bit before?
Asking just because I loved the blue from the renders.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 22 July 2022, 06:23:47 »
Any chance for a e-coated black version?

nope sorry, possibly cerakote though

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 22 July 2022, 06:31:30 »
That Blue proto doesn't look close to the initial renders. Are you happy with it or are you still planning to tweak it a bit before?
Asking just because I loved the blue from the renders.

I am happy with the finishing and the color on the sample pic looks nice.
And i agree, the render color doesn't look like the sample pic.
Hoping this difference is caused by bright studio lighting in the sample pic and dim light in the render, so when you have it on your desk it would be closer to the render.
If this is not the case we will be tweaking the colors, but they will never be exactly like the renders.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 22 July 2022, 09:00:39 »
Could see if we can mod the hotswap pcb to iso? By resoldering the hotswap socket?

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 23 July 2022, 04:43:09 »
What do I need to do to get a sperno plus with a function row?  :eek:

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Protos shipping now
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 25 July 2022, 07:14:08 »
What do I need to do to get a sperno plus with a function row?  :eek:

Things I'd rather not mention publicly.
But yeah, this sounds like a good idea.
We'll be focusing on the original layout first though.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Reviewing protos
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 25 July 2022, 07:15:42 »
Protos have been received.
Reviewing them now and already making changes.
Will be posting the changes soon.

Also the color will be made darker (closer to renders) for final production.

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Re: [IC] Sperno59 | Vendors announced
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 12 August 2022, 05:20:42 »
Vendors:

US: Mechs&Co
EU: MyKeyboard
CA: Ashkeebs
AU: SwitchKeys