Author Topic: [IC] KKB NotNeo Honeywell  (Read 2683 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Bobatype

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Sydney, Australia
  • formerly bobasweatandtears
    • discord: bobatype
[IC] KKB NotNeo Honeywell
« on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 09:10:28 »
KKB Neo Honeywell




LINKS

GB Thread Link: Pending


• INTRODUCTION •

On a random weeknight, Toro PMed me, complaining about aftermarket prices (as usual). Instead of being bent over by scalpers, he wanted to take things into his own hands, and with his circle(jerk) of friends, brought my helping hand into the fold. The rest is history...

Well no seriously,
The Honeywell colourway, born from vintage terminals, is a classic that felt long overdue for a return. What started as a straightforward re-run quickly evolved into something more—our chance to put a fresh spin on a timeless design.

Translucent red accents bring a modern edge, while red triple-shot Cadet sublegends add striking visual flair. Futuristic yet retro, these legends pay homage to the iconic peripherals of the Symbolics and Lisp Machines era. For those who like things extra large (and extra based), we’ve included niche favourites like the 10u spacebar, Big Ass Enter, and bottom-row stepped modifiers—because sometimes size does matter. And for the purists, Latin-only alphas and opaque red accents remain available to keep the look true to its roots (no judgement if you’re keeping it vanilla).

This is not the greatest keycap set in the world, no. This is just a tribute.




• KITS •

Base Kit
[Covers 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL, with terminal ISO, F13, 7u Tsangan support, with some Alice bars, and split spacebar layouts.]

Note that we’re debating on whether the base kit should instead have opaque red Esc and Enter keys instead of grey Esc/Enter, because the Honeywell colourway is now strongly associated with those accents. It’s rarely seen without the red. We aim to optimise base kit pricing and only offer only 1 opaque colour of Esc/Enters alongside the translucent red. We’re uncertain how popular gray Esc/Enters are to justify remaining here. Swapping them out for the opaque red will mean 1 less kit needed for those who prefer OG.
Alternative Base Kit (option B):

^Vote in IC form if this is your preference

BAEsed Kit
[10u spacebar, big ass enter, and center stepped bottom row  modifiers]


Latin Alphas
[ Unfortunately due to the manufacturer's MOQ with the cadet sublegends, we are unable to offer a latin only base kit, so it’s a child kit here, but we will price it aggressively to account for this.
For those unfamiliar why alpha kits have an extra Tab key: it allows for potential coverage of a second keyboard with an alternate bottom row when using left-over modifiers from the base kit]

Spacebars
Convex spacebars in both small and large sizes for additional coverage.

Numpad Kit
[Offers extended compatibility for full size and 1800 keyboards, including the “=” and “00” keys for extra coverage. Num Lock key is force windowed.]


Cyrillic Alpha Kit
[Red sublegends are UV-printed]

Hangul Alpha Kit
[Red sublegends are UV-printed]

Hiragana Alpha Kit
[Red sublegends are UV-printed]

Novelty Kit
[Render pending. The text terminology is a reference to the OG Honeywell keycaps. Note that legends are likely to be UV-printed to keep this kit affordable]

Accent Considerations:
Classic Red Accent
If Base Kit (option B) has significant more interest, with the inclusion of opaque reds into base kit this kit will be removed

Classic Gray Accent
An option to consider if Base Kit (option B) has significant more interest, yet there is still interest in modifier gray Enter/Escs

Accent Green

Accent Orange

Accent Teal

Accent Pink

Alphas with sublegends, accents and novelty kits listed above are highly tentative depending on interest expressed. All colours will be matched to SP color chips





• DESKMAT •

TBD

[Currently there is none planned. If you have a good idea, please let us know!]






• RENDERS •


+84 TKL by nuxros

Sneakbox Giga40 by mujimanic

MK65-XT by boba.types

Toro60 by toro_keyboard

Aperture Board, model by Elmo

Healthkit H89 inspired




Disclaimer: Renders shown may not perfectly display the actual colors of the keycaps. These are best attempts at emulating the semi-translucent nature of the keycaps, whilst noting that lighting conditions and screen calibrations are also variables that affect colour representation/perception. The visible injection holes are also not possible to avoid in double-shot legend production


• SPECIFICATIONS •

Profile: Cylindrical Cherry Profile
Material: ABS
Manufacturing Method: Double-shot injection for primary legends. Triple-shot for red Space Cadet sublegends. UV-print for novelties and other sub-legends.
Manufacturer: Keykobo
Compatibility: Mx switches
Colors: Colour-matched to Signature Plastics’ chips: WFK (alphas), GPA (mods), and RAS (accents) which were used in prior GMK and DCS Honeywell runs.




• COLLABS •
Nil collaborations currently planned. Artisan makers reach out to Toro if interested!




• LOGISTICS •

Group-buy date to be determined. We will post pricing as soon as it’s been determined.

• VENDORS •


US - pending
CA - pending
EU - pending
UK - pending
OCE - Toro Studios
CN - pending
KR - pending
SG - pending




• MISC •

• FAQ •

Why ‘Space Cadet’ sub-legends?
Because it looks cool. It adds a bit more pop to an admittedly simple color scheme.

Why no base kit with just latin only alphas?
We really wanted to offer this as well, but unfortunately due to the MOQ requirements from the manufacturer, it was not deemed feasible to run 2 base kits simultaneously. Since this colourway already has had several reruns, we felt that it was better to take the opportunity to do something new, so we prioritised triple-shot cadet sublegends in the base kit. We will aim to price the latin alphas as low as we can to account for this.

Why does the base kit have forced windowed caps lock and scroll lock keys?
We are forcing windowed “Caps Lock” and “Scroll” due to my strong personal preferences; they’re not just more functional, but also more aesthetic. Note the legends for KKB windowed caps are double-shot too, so no concerns about legends wearing off.

More
Extended rant: My logic is that it just isn't a big deal for a keyboard with no LED indicators to have windowed keycaps, whilst for keyboards that do have LEDs, these keycaps not being windowed are a bigger deal. So in a base kit, windowed keycaps should actually be the priority/default. Often buyers are forced into an additional kit for them. As we’re trying to keep the base kit price low, it doesn’t also make sense to include all 4 types of Caps Lock in the base kit. Vintage theme colourways also look more ‘authentic’ with windowed lock keys..

Why is the F-row all modifier-coloured grey?
The F-row keys are only grey (i.e. no white F1-4, F9-F12) as a reference to the original keycaps scheme on the Honeywell terminals (photo example here). We note that most enthusiast-led runs had an alternate f-row color scheme, however I think for this colourway, all grey looks better. Furthermore, if people are using the F-row keys in keyboards with a XT macro column,  the single colour  means no strange alpha colour blocking in the middle.

Why are the Numpad keys white, and not black like the original?
“Omg Karen, you can't just ask people why they're white”
The mismatch between black numpad and white alphas looks odd. Like other Honeywell sets, we prefer a more cohesive look. Please remember this set is a remix/reinterpretation of Honeywell, not a faithful remake

• IC Form •

Please provide input here: Interest Check Link



• SOCIALS •

Instagram: @toro_keyboard | @boba.types
Discord channel: TORO Studio

 


• ACKNOWLEDGMENTS •
Thank you to those who provided help, support or design assistance for this project in some form or another. Shoutouts in particular to:
More
> Miruim and 7bit for bringing this classic colourway to us in the first place via Deskthority, and all the other folks bringing it back in various iterations
> Adam le cat for renders
> masje - the cool cat whose 'neo' variants of classics like skidata and dolch, undoubtedly inspired us (check out his current project: GMK TA Neo)
> Family and friends both inside and outside the enthusiast community for their support
> Nopunin10did and Konstantin for being the original kitting wizards whose advice on previous projects of mine (and others) have improved my understanding (any mistakes or peculiarities are mine though)


« Last Edit: Mon, 18 August 2025, 09:08:08 by Bobatype »

Offline Mikhail

  • Posts: 104
  • Location: Moscow, Russia
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 09:30:32 »
Honeywell had black alpha legends, not gray

Offline Bobatype

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Sydney, Australia
  • formerly bobasweatandtears
    • discord: bobatype
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 09:44:07 »
Honeywell had black alpha legends, not gray

Hi, thanks for the comment.
We're aware the original Honeywell has black alpha legends, however we prefer to use the grey alpha legends similar to both the GMK and DCS runs. It seems there are also some other elements of the 'Honeywell' colorway scheme that have changed with the enthusiast-led versions, such as some of the F-row keys having alpha colors (whilst we chose to revert back to the OG with only gray F-row keys), or the numpad no longer being WoB (which we agree with). Anyways I hope that by calling it Neo Honeywell, you could consider it an off-shoot of Honeywell, as it's not meant to be a 100% recreation.
« Last Edit: Sun, 17 August 2025, 09:45:50 by Bobatype »

Offline Mikhail

  • Posts: 104
  • Location: Moscow, Russia
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 09:55:27 »
Ok, also I need XT Fs and icon tab for AT layout.
Gray BAE please

Offline Randomlosername

  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Fort Wayne, IN
  • Gacha Done Got Me
    • IG
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 09:58:46 »
Love all the extra sub legend alpha kits. My only personal complaint is that I’d LOVE stepped bottom row mods, but wouldn’t use the BAE or 10u.


Offline Mikhail

  • Posts: 104
  • Location: Moscow, Russia
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 10:04:10 »
Would great if the other sub legends was triple shot too

Offline Bobatype

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Sydney, Australia
  • formerly bobasweatandtears
    • discord: bobatype
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 10:20:38 »
Ok, also I need XT Fs and icon tab for AT layout.
Gray BAE please
Gray BAE might be doable... I might add it to the IC form to see what interest there is in it. Unfortunately I dont think KKB has row appropriate F-row/macro/XT keycaps i.e. M1-M10 etc. I might need you to explain why icon tab haha? All the modifiers in this set are text+icon.

Love all the extra sub legend alpha kits. My only personal complaint is that I’d LOVE stepped bottom row mods, but wouldn’t use the BAE or 10u.
Mmm that's fair... I might ask Toro and KKB if it's viable to split the mods from the big enter/10U kit. We do have a lot of child kits already, but perhaps it's a different crowd. Or would people prefer stepped bottom row mods in base kit (like KKB Sacred Timeline)? It will make base kit a little bit more expensive, but if everyone likes it, might as well just include them into base kit.

Would great if the other sub legends was triple shot too
KKB unfortunately only has tripleshot Cadet sublegends in their inventory. They're quite expensive to create tooling for, and have their own MOQ. As far as I know, from that manufacturer, all its other existing sublegend molds are only double-shot. If KKB Nichirin is successful.. then tripleshot hiragana sublegends may be viable. We would personally love triple-shot Cyrillic too.

Offline Randomlosername

  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Fort Wayne, IN
  • Gacha Done Got Me
    • IG
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 10:28:04 »
They also did the stepped bottom row for COL as well! I was a big fan of it in that base kit haha, thanks for taking my feedback into consideration 


Offline tanghus

  • Posts: 40
  • Location: The Cimbrian Peninsula
  • BEIGE GUD
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 10:39:44 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

Offline Mikhail

  • Posts: 104
  • Location: Moscow, Russia
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 10:55:05 »
AT layout always have ICON TAB and ICON 1U Backspace
It's so important for style! :)
Actually im very glad that KKB have the classic "Enter - Arrow" BAE, not modern GMK ANSI style "Arrow - Enter" legends.
Sad no side cluster  :(

Offline Kokaloo

  • Posts: 1096
  • Location: Las Vegas
  • 🤘(• ω •)🤙
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 11:20:53 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"

Offline Flybeck

  • Posts: 56
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 12:04:39 »
yeah this ****s, good job

Offline Manukbs_

  • Posts: 58
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 12:36:49 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"

I don't want to get involved in drama BUT, I don't think it's about the word, but the meaning that word has in this situation. If another designer is making a line of projects with this word, why someone else has to use the same word (not an issue because it's a word) with the same meaning and the same line of product (the issue)

Potato english but I feel you can get the point here

Offline tanghus

  • Posts: 40
  • Location: The Cimbrian Peninsula
  • BEIGE GUD
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 13:14:32 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"
Did I ****ing stutter?

Manu beat me to the point, but as always, you only caught 40% of it. This was a terrible attempt at a ****post man, I am really disappointed. You have done better in the past.

The Neo line started with KKB Skidata with translucent accents/alertrow, was intended continue with the KKB Dolch Neo line which again had translucent accents into KKB Triumph Adler Neo. All projects were initiated by James, but only the first Neo product got made, KKB released pursued Dolch under another name and KKB Triumph Adler Neo moved on to become GMK TA Neo.

It is bad judgement to continue the Neo line and translucent accents without the original designer. The better choice would genuinely have been to ommit Neo from the project name.


Offline MikeTheTiger

  • Posts: 827
  • Location: 29.9511° N, 90.0715° W
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 14:39:06 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"

Imagine if next they start talking about people owning colors.

Offline zlobin356

  • Posts: 90
  • Location: Warsaw, Poland
  • Hi! My name is zlobin!
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 16:07:59 »
guys, whats the point of making drama here. does james said anything negative about the “Neo” in the title of this set (atleast yet) that we starting to making conflicts there? i will dm both James and Boba, since i have good relationships with both makers to help with this situation. lets keep things peaceful
Had: IBM SSK, ATTI, G80-2100HDD, 0577H, 0811H, Thesiscamper Kai prototype, Realforce 106, Telco f2500

Have rn: Jane v3 Rubrehose, Neo80, HHKB Pro 2, OTD The Cheat, UTD 360C, Duck Mini v2, ESA-3000-HASR0, Realforce 104ug.

Offline zlobin356

  • Posts: 90
  • Location: Warsaw, Poland
  • Hi! My name is zlobin!
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 16:34:49 »
Everything is OK guys. No one haves any big issues to each other, no one plans to make any statements regarding it and set will run with this naming

If you want to run a keyset, i would suggest asking James regarding using ”Neo” in set titles tho, so there would be no confusion.
Had: IBM SSK, ATTI, G80-2100HDD, 0577H, 0811H, Thesiscamper Kai prototype, Realforce 106, Telco f2500

Have rn: Jane v3 Rubrehose, Neo80, HHKB Pro 2, OTD The Cheat, UTD 360C, Duck Mini v2, ESA-3000-HASR0, Realforce 104ug.

Offline MikeTheTiger

  • Posts: 827
  • Location: 29.9511° N, 90.0715° W
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 16:37:13 »
guys, whats the point of making drama here. does james said anything negative about the “Neo” in the title of this set (atleast yet) that we starting to making conflicts there? i will dm both James and Boba, since i have good relationships with both makers to help with this situation. lets keep things peaceful

You may as well rope in Honeywell on that conversation too, peacemaker. They may want to hear why their name is being attached to the word Neo?  :))

Offline zlobin356

  • Posts: 90
  • Location: Warsaw, Poland
  • Hi! My name is zlobin!
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 17:00:21 »
? ? ?
Had: IBM SSK, ATTI, G80-2100HDD, 0577H, 0811H, Thesiscamper Kai prototype, Realforce 106, Telco f2500

Have rn: Jane v3 Rubrehose, Neo80, HHKB Pro 2, OTD The Cheat, UTD 360C, Duck Mini v2, ESA-3000-HASR0, Realforce 104ug.

Offline Kokaloo

  • Posts: 1096
  • Location: Las Vegas
  • 🤘(• ω •)🤙
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 17:08:18 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"
N-n-Neo b-belong b-belongs t-t-to m--masje!!! B-b-Baka!!!

Nooooo masje is the only one who can take claimless and old colorways and implement the tired and gaudy translucent keys in an attempt at creative originality!!  :'(

Offline masje

  • Posts: 116
  • Location: keybort land
  • Your neighborhood keyboard designer.
    • masjewerke
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 17:38:29 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"
N-n-Neo b-belong b-belongs t-t-to m--masje!!! B-b-Baka!!!

Nooooo masje is the only one who can take claimless and old colorways and implement the tired and gaudy translucent keys in an attempt at creative originality!!  :'(


Why are you so unhinged
« Last Edit: Sun, 17 August 2025, 17:41:17 by masje »

Offline MikeTheTiger

  • Posts: 827
  • Location: 29.9511° N, 90.0715° W
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 18:41:41 »

Offline Raiden_Shogun

  • Posts: 5
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 17 August 2025, 22:24:05 »
Definitely looking forward to this. Can the base set include Latin instead of cadet? Not a big fan of cadet subs personally speaking

Offline kentdo10

  • Posts: 85
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 18 August 2025, 01:25:17 »
Definitely looking forward to this. Can the base set include Latin instead of cadet? Not a big fan of cadet subs personally speaking

We have explained above. Due to the MOQ of the cadet sub-legend, we must make it the sole base option, and we will strive to price the alternative Latin alpha Kit as competitively as possible. Both of us really like the cadet alpha, so it is here to stay.

Offline SpookyGC

  • Posts: 22
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 18 August 2025, 06:26:06 »
Neo Honeywell?

Is Masje involved in this, or did Keykobo decide to just keep using the Neo name without James' involvement? NGL, that's hella scuffed.

bro did not just try to say someone has ownership of the word "Neo"
Did I ****ing stutter?

Manu beat me to the point, but as always, you only caught 40% of it. This was a terrible attempt at a ****post man, I am really disappointed. You have done better in the past.

The Neo line started with KKB Skidata with translucent accents/alertrow, was intended continue with the KKB Dolch Neo line which again had translucent accents into KKB Triumph Adler Neo. All projects were initiated by James, but only the first Neo product got made, KKB released pursued Dolch under another name and KKB Triumph Adler Neo moved on to become GMK TA Neo.

It is bad judgement to continue the Neo line and translucent accents without the original designer. The better choice would genuinely have been to ommit Neo from the project name.


I thought a part of the James’ KKB Neo line was also to (try to) offer R0 and/or R5?

I also opened up this post assuming it was one of his projects. Of course he doesn’t “own” the word, but it definitely seems odd to unnecessarily attach it to the project without him involved.

Offline Bobatype

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Sydney, Australia
  • formerly bobasweatandtears
    • discord: bobatype
Re: [IC] KKB Neo Honeywell
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 18 August 2025, 08:43:32 »
hey guys,
Didn't expect so much discussion around the use of the term 'Neo'



So Toro and I had an intense discussion this morning, and after a lot of screaming, crying,  and reflection, we've decided to re-title this project.
It's now called "NotNeo Honeywell"
"Honeowell" was a close second. Followed by ‘Neo Honeywell → The Keycaps Formerly Known As’ (TKFKANH)

But no seriously, I spoke to masje (James) and he's stated he's cool with us using the term 'Neo' if we wish.
At the same time, we do understand he is the primary designer strongly associated with remixing some classic colourways with translucent accents, i.e. KKB Skidata Neo, KKB Dolch Neo, and GMK TA Neo, so it can be confusing to some.
By using the term "Neo" we felt we were undeniably acknowledging we are obviously taking a similar approach he has.
Whether we call it Neo or not in the title, people will recognise this as the 'Neo' approach, courtesy of Masje.
 
It's a look that some people like, and some people don't like. We get it. It's called personal preference.
We're not pretending that we're creating a whole new colourway/concept here guys. We're just bring an old favorite dish back and adding a bit of extra sauce and sides for a slightly different experience.

I'll be honest, it also feels a little awkward using 'Honeywell', given that this is an existing Company's name still (maybe one of the reasons why Skidata in 2017 was re-titled SkIIdata?). 

So given masje' blessing, us wanting to shorten its name and avoiding corporate association, we're now calling this "KKB Neo"
It's like Kanye → Ye, but for keycaps.

I'm just joking.

But no seriously we ran a quick poll in Discord, and KKB Neowell is the likely new name for this project.

Yeah so we're keeping the Neo (as a nod to adopting masje's approach on prior classics), but in a different manner.

314175-0

« Last Edit: Mon, 18 August 2025, 08:54:26 by Bobatype »

Offline Bobatype

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Sydney, Australia
  • formerly bobasweatandtears
    • discord: bobatype
Re: [IC] KKB NotNeo Honeywell
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 18 August 2025, 08:50:54 »
Also we added an extra question in IC regarding inclusion of bottom row 1.5u centre stepped modifiers in base kit, instead of the BAE/10u kit. Please vote!

Furthermore, current IC form results are showing vast majority of people prefer Base Kit (b), where the opaque red accents are included, and the Gray Esc/Enter is sacrificed.


We will wait for a bit more data before confirming it, but thanks for all the people who filled out the IC form. It really helps influence the direction of the development of the kitting, since we didn't want to make presumptions on what people like.

As mentioned in the FAQ section, we really really wish we could have offered a Latin only no sublegends base kit alongside triple-shot sublegends as either base kit or alpha kit, but due to the manufacturer's requirements, it was just not feasible. We will be aiming to price that alpha kit as cheap as possible due to this, so people who prefer that look aren't stung too hard.
« Last Edit: Mon, 18 August 2025, 09:06:54 by Bobatype »

Online konstantin

  • Formerly constexpr
  • Posts: 1845
  • Location: Serbia
  • Dixitque Deus: “Fiat 65%.” Et facta est 65%.
Re: [IC] KKB NotNeo Honeywell
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 18 August 2025, 09:35:13 »
Show Image

Cyrillic Alpha Kit
[Red sublegends are UV-printed]

I love the inclusion of Russian Cyrillic sublegends, but I think they should be a bit smaller since they're currently taking up just a tad too much space on the keycaps for my liking. For example, the Cyrillic М is wider than 1 em (the width of the Latin M); and Ш and Щ, being naturally wider than 1 em, take up even more space. Try reducing all of the sublegends' sizes by around 10% (or 1–2 pts if you have them as a font) and seeing how it looks. You may also want to consider using Helvetica or one of its derivatives instead of whatever the current typeface is (I'm assuming it's just ttom's reworked GMK Cyrillic sublegends, so not really a typeface per se).
Also, some sublegends appear to be slightly vertically misaligned (most noticeably Й, Д) or missized (Н, Ш, Щ, Ъ); see image. Using a typeface would also fix this.

Otherwise, the kitting seems really good. I'm not going to comment on the naming issue, although I have to say reading through all of the drama was pretty fun :P
« Last Edit: Mon, 18 August 2025, 09:40:31 by konstantin »