Author Topic: The FBI busted four big online poker outfits (Read 21410 times)

RiGS · « **on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:27:11 »

If you go to fulltiltpoker.com/pokerstars.com/ub.com/absolutepoker.com it will have an image saying the name was confiscated by the FBI.

Ekaros · « **Reply #1 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:29:38 »

Hmm, don't have any money in there... Still, what I heard about the issue isn't gambling, but circumventing the payment system, bribing some banks and such...

RiGS · « **Reply #2 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:29:40 »

Holy ****, I have like 2 grands at these sites.

stupefaction · « **Reply #3 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:33:36 »

Oh, boy. For a second there I thought your headline was about the people who make and procure the Poker keyboard, and I had an alarming vision of iMav absconding to Taiwan with my ninety-five clams.

.XL · « **Reply #4 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:43:01 »

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Oh, boy. For a second there I thought your headline was about the people who make and procure the Poker keyboard, and I had an alarming vision of iMav absconding to Taiwan with my ninety-five clams.

I'm telling ya...between the doubleshots and the poker iMAV would be a MADE MAN in Panama!

RiGS · « **Reply #5 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:57:57 »

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Still, what I heard about the issue isn't gambling, but circumventing the payment system, bribing some banks and such...

These were the four major online gambling sites that still accepted players from the US.

RiGS · « **Reply #6 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:14:53 »

Damn, I want my money back.
They have even advertised Fulltilt/Pokerstars in the local TV.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:18:21 »

RiGS · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:21:52 »

You think that's funny?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:22:54 »

Yep.

I also think that taking gambling (especially online) seriously is pretty dumb.

Ekaros · « **Reply #10 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:27:03 »

Hmm, I heard someone had 450k in one of those sites, much hurt...

keyboardlover · « **Reply #11 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:32:32 »

Should have had it in an investment fund or a savings account instead.

You can't play with fire and not be afraid to get burned.

Ekaros · « **Reply #12 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:34:54 »

USA can do stranges laws... So poker-sites aren't realy illegal, but you aren't allowed to move money from or to one...

RiGS · « **Reply #13 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:37:37 »

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Yep.

I also think that taking gambling (especially online) seriously is pretty dumb.

As a fellow geekhacker, if I had even one shred of respect for you before this, it is gone now.

Does Christianity teach compassion?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #14 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:39:08 »

I don't know much about US gambling, nor do I care. I've played the slots on cruise ships for fun, that's about it. I live within driving distance of at least 2 casinos, but never go. I don't see much point in throwing my money away.

I also live within driving distance of a racing track. My grandfather likes to go there and bet on the ponies. I just like to go and see them run =)

Quote from: RiGS;331791

As a fellow geekhacker, if I had even one shred of respect for you before this, it is gone now.

That's ok. I don't even consider you to be a fellow geekhacker!

.XL · « **Reply #15 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:42:07 »

Hey everyone, /KL lives in Reno!

It sucks that they took your money, RiGS. As someone that doesn't live in the US you are not bound by the same laws we are. Maybe there will be some recourse for you?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #16 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:43:53 »

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Hey everyone, /KL lives in Reno!

It's \ not /

(Think Windows-style, not Linux-style)

.XL · « **Reply #17 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:47:12 »

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It's \ not /

(Think Windows-style, not Linux-style)

Oh, I see.

Hey everyone, \KL lives in Reno!!!

RiGS · « **Reply #18 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:53:39 »

Quote from: .XL;331798

Hey everyone, /KL lives in Reno!

It sucks that they took your money, RiGS. As someone that doesn't live in the US you are not bound by the same laws we are. Maybe there will be some recourse for you?

These sites are not even in the US.
I'm not a man of faith, but I DO hope that somehow I will get that money back.

kill will · « **Reply #19 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 18:54:19 »

i got served.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #20 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:00:59 »

Frankly, every time I saw one of these sites I knew it was only a matter of time. I'm kind of surprised it didn't happen sooner.

RiGS · « **Reply #21 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:02:09 »

Only a matter of time and your ******* government put you in a Fema camp.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #22 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:03:35 »

Taking online poker seriously is about as dumb AND safe as believing Alex Jones.

RiGS, maybe if you weren't so hostile you would be better at decision making? As for compassion, I have no sympathy for people who make dumb decisions, especially with their money. Nothing to do with religion; it's called common sense.

kill will · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:05:35 »

ive made over 6 figures playing at full tilt.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:06:03 »

How much is that in real money?

RiGS · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:06:37 »

You are not only ignorant, but you have failed as a Christian.
So you can keep your opinion to yourself.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #26 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:07:34 »

Well, you're wrong on both counts. And fortunately, I live in a free country so I can post as I please =)

.XL · « **Reply #27 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:11:17 »

Quote from: RiGS;331821

You are not only ignorant, but you have failed as a Christian.
So you can keep your opinion to yourself.

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Well, you're wrong on both counts. And fortunately, I live in a free country so I can post as I please =)

Hey guys slow down...I just put the popcorn in the microwave!

RiGS · « **Reply #28 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:12:43 »

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ive made over 6 figures playing at full tilt.

I have been playing professionally for the last 7 years.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #29 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:16:14 »

Professional online Poker? Is that like professional gaming?

Also, regarding Christianity, Jesus' stance against gambling is fairly well documented in the Bible.

kill will · « **Reply #30 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:17:27 »

jesus is against gambling, but card playing isnt necessarily gambling. its like playing street fighter for money. thats not gambling. thats just buying and selling.

kill will · « **Reply #31 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:18:42 »

that would be like saying jesus is against professional golf tournaments, or sports in general.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #32 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:19:37 »

You seriously don't see the difference?

RiGS · « **Reply #33 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:24:08 »

Poker is a sport.
It is all about making good decisions, and value betting in the long run.
You obviously do not have any clue to statistics.

Also Christianity emphasize the importance of compassion.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #34 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:25:14 »

You know nothing about Christianity. Also, it ain't a sport if it doesn't have cheerleaders.

.XL · « **Reply #35 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:25:49 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;331844

You know nothing about Christianity. Also, it ain't a sport if it doesn't have cheerleaders.

Cheerleaders are only good in pictures. In practice they're annoying.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #36 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:27:50 »

Quote from: ripster;331848

Hey, I married one!!!

Pics or it didn't happen!

RiGS · « **Reply #37 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:28:34 »

All I know is that you are an ignorant troll who suck as a human being.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #38 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:29:39 »

WWJD? Even Jesus would tell you that gambling is stupid.

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Proverbs 13:11 - "Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase."

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Proverbs 20:21 - "An inheritance may be gotten hastily at the beginning; but the end thereof shall not be blessed."

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Romans 12:17 - "Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men."

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #39 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:33:23 »

I am going to have to side with RiGS on this, simply because at least two of those sites were advertised on and endorsed by members of the world poker tour, and seemed to have a decent amount of credibility. I don't gamble, but those were names that I associated with legitimate businesses until now.

.XL · « **Reply #40 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:34:00 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;331851

WWJD? Even Jesus would tell you that gambling is stupid.

EDIT: Sorry \KL, that was rude of me. Comment removed for being inconsiderate of \KL's beliefs.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #41 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:37:23 »

It's pretty well documented that Jesus preached doing what's right to/by/for others, and that working hard would bring you what you need. Gambling is the antithesis of that behavioral model. By every definition of gambling that exists!

.XL · « **Reply #42 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:38:36 »

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It's pretty well documented that Jesus preached doing what's right to/by/for others, and that working hard would bring you what you need. Gambling is the antithesis of that behavioral model.

I don't want to start a religious debate in a thread not devoted to that topic. I've edited my previous comment. Maybe one day we can post a thread to debate religion on but for now I'll keep my thoughts to myself.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #43 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:40:42 »

.XL: It's ok; you didn't offend me. I don't want you to feel like you can't speak what's on your mind, even if I don't agree with it. But people who are very critical of religion often don't have "the facts" to back up their opinions. So, if I see something incorrect I'll correct it.

.XL · « **Reply #44 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:41:28 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;331859

.XL: It's ok; you didn't offend me. I don't want you to feel like you can't speak what's on your mind, even if I don't agree with it. But people who are very critical of religion often don't have "the facts" to back up their opinions. So, if I see something incorrect I'll correct it.

Maybe we'll have to open up that thread sooner than I thought

P.S. - I'm halfway through Selfish Gene and have a copy of The God Delusion (signed by Dawkins himself, YEAH BOYYYY) sitting on my desk. Let me finish the books so we can have a serious discussion!

RiGS · « **Reply #45 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:41:55 »

Wow, facts and religion in the same sentence you are pathetic.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #46 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:42:39 »

Quote from: .XL

Maybe we'll have to open up that thread sooner than I thought

There's already been ones in the past. It basically always turns into a ****-show. Why? Because religion always comes down to faith, and those who don't believe in that can't grasp religion. That's not a bad thing. Religion isn't for everyone.

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Wow, facts and religion in the same sentence you are pathetic.

Pathetic? I'm not the one who lost a bunch of money on the internet =)

.XL · « **Reply #47 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:43:56 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;331862

There's already been ones in the past. It basically always turns into a ****-show. Why? Because religion always comes down to faith, and those who don't believe in that can't grasp religion. That's not a bad thing. Religion isn't for everyone.

I think the faith angle can be used the opposite way: you're so strongly entrenched in your faith you do not want to see the evidence in front of you.

Evidence that says things like not all those who gamble are bad people, and that not all people of faith are good people.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #48 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:45:04 »

I never said gamblers were bad people. Gamblers are, by definition of the fact that they are "gambling", making bad choices. I also never said that all people of faith were "good people".

quadibloc · « **Reply #49 on:** Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:48:00 »

Quote from: RiGS;331808

These sites are not even in the US.
I'm not a man of faith, but I DO hope that somehow I will get that money back.

They may have lost their present domain names. If they're not in the U.S., though, they can register non-U.S. domain names, and go right back to business, as long as they cease and desist accepting U.S. players. The money they will have lost would be payments going through U.S. credit card companies that were illegal under U.S. law - payments from American players.

Thus there is every chance that your money has not been lost - and, of course, the laws of other countries certainly do prevent the operators of the company from just taking everyone's money and running.

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Author Topic: The FBI busted four big online poker outfits (Read 21410 times)