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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #100 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 23:10:23 »
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ripster I owe you a beer.  You just saved me $300+.  Thanks.


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Offline nhwhaup

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« Reply #101 on: Sat, 06 August 2011, 05:36:00 »
So the space bar not being PBT is that true for just the 87U or all the topre boards?
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« Reply #102 on: Sat, 06 August 2011, 09:13:23 »
Maybe it's just me...

But I don't quite see the big deal about a shiny spacebar.

I recall a time when Ripster didn't either.
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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 06 August 2011, 11:52:53 »
At least Wikipedia has a decent wiki software.
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Offline kinkng

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« Reply #104 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 18:24:15 »
Does the 87U come in an all 55g version? I would be interested in getting one if Elite Keyboards will carry that.
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Offline Wallach

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« Reply #105 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 21:09:15 »
My life has been crazy the past few weeks, so this was a nice piece of good news to stumble upon.

Will probably pounce on a 45g 87U when you land one of those stateside.
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Offline kinkng

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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 07:21:09 »
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Leopold has it but I don't think Elitekeyboards can get a hold of it due to it being a custom Topre run for Leopold.

Rumor was it was some large Korean corporate standard to have 55g keyboards.  Sounds like one of those flakey Internet rumors like Cherry Reds being smuggled into Filco factories in Christopher Walken's ass.
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Bummer, I hope that that is not the case and Elite Keyboards can get an uniform 55g 87U. I have no interest in an uniform 45g. The 55g seems to feel so much better.
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 12:41:38 »
I would buy the silenced one even for the absurd $345, if it was constant-weight.
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Offline csm725

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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 13:27:49 »
Flakey internet rumour? Don't be mean.
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Offline hella

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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 16:41:13 »
Too bad they don't have a uniform 55g 87U.  I woulda bought one the instant I saw it.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 17:08:41 »
What a bunch of crybabies!
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Offline zappb

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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 17:19:59 »
big time!!! can't a guy try and run a business (EK) without the misery of the world being piled up on him.
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Offline kinkng

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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 19:07:59 »
Quote from: hella;395375
Too bad they don't have a uniform 55g 87U.  I woulda bought one the instant I saw it.


Same here. Let's hope that that Elite Keyboards decides to stock it.
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Offline litster

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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 19:19:06 »
People tend to want things that are not available or hard to find.  I am one of them.  IBM Space Saver, IBM Model M Industrial, IBM M15, Cherry MX 5000, Filco tenkeyless with Cherry red switches, white Filco tenkeyless of any kind, etc.

87U was not available in any version in the US after the initial batch of 87U from EK.  Now EK is carrying the variable version again, people look for the versions that are not available.

I think Brian has already said that other versions will be available later.  Sit tight :-)
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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 19:23:18 »
Waiting doesn't tend to go well at GeekHack.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:59:06 »
I think he gets them from Leopold. Probably this is one of the reasons behind the price increase.
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Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:46:42 »
Fedex came today... Thock Thock Thock
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« Reply #117 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:10:04 »
Quote from: didjamatic;396071
Fedex came today... Thock Thock Thock


Pics! Pics! Pics!
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Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #118 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:25:02 »

Also posted in Topre pics thread.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #119 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:32:48 »
Nice. Can you compare it with a non-silent model?
Does it have less key travel before the actuation?



I think the foam ring on the plunger reduces the key travel before activation.
Can you confirm this?
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #120 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 19:32:26 »
Quote from: elitekeyboards;393277
As for the 87U uniform and silent models inquiries above; there will be multiple uniform models down the line (how soon I can't say) and the silencing does not affect the downstroke, only the sound of the key as it springs back into place.

It seems that information is incorrect, and the silencing does affect the downstroke by reducing the key travel before actuation by 0.2 mm.

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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #121 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 08:54:15 »
A useful addition on this matter.

Quote from: skwan;396289
Just bought one from there, and shipped to me last week, still testing it out, but so far liking it, feels tamer than the pro 2, at first didn't notice the loss of travel, but now that i have typed on it a little, i can feel the difference, as for whether the type s really stands for speed or just advertising hocus pocus, i need some more time before i can safely comment on that.

I am just waiting until i can get someone to help me do a blindfold/ear muff test to see if i can feel the difference between with or without type S. I wish i can get a real force low noise in for the test as well, but i can't afford 3 topres...

Oh btw i noticed people were moaning about pinging, my type S has a slight ping on the space bar, i tried taking it apart and knocking on the various parts, and the high pitch ring seems to come from the key cap itself (try hitting the key cap with the case or other key caps the noise is surprisingly high pitch)... not a big issue, but being a type S, that is the most prominent noise the keyboard makes... My pro 2 has the same problem (a much worse case of it) some time after a few weeks use of it, it lost the nice thock on the space bar, and is now giving a very mechanical sound, and its weird because the noise is made when typed with my right thumb, but not with my left thumb, tried taking the thing apart and messed with it for ages to no avail..

brief note on impression so far (only 1.5 weeks of use), feels more linear with the loss of the little bit of travel at the top, especially noticeable when typing at high speed, unlike the brown (never tried any other MX cherries so cannot compare with blue etc) the faster you type the lower the tactile, i feet that the pro 2's tactile response doesn't go away with speed, if i may use a metaphor, it is kinda like slappaing water, the faster you hit it, the more forceful the response. So the type s loses alittle bit of that, i never even realised that until i tried the type s, and then tried to compare it back to the pro 2.  With all that said the difference is minimal, and it is much more accurate to say that it is just the pro 2 with less noise topping out, as expected, as advertised.

Another thing i noted, if you just run your fingers lightly over the keytops on the pro 2, it makes a noise (like all keyboards would), and i was thinking the type S wouldn't (or at least less), but it doesn't damp that noise, it makes the same noise, the only noise damped is when the key is coming up, not sure how this is relevant in day to day use, but it is something i noted.
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Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 10:50:24 »
Quote from: didjamatic;396071
Fedex came today... Thock Thock Thock

Good for you! :smile:
Mine is still in transit. With any luck, it wont take forever to arrive once it's in the hands of Canada Post. The service is still somewhat slower than usual (a few weeks after the end of the strike).
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #123 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 11:49:16 »
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It's probably the same as the O-Ring Cherry MX mod.  About .2mm less travel so it's not much but you know it's there.

I think it is more than just .2mm difference.
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Offline kinkng

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« Reply #124 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 14:29:07 »
Seems like EliteKeyboards is not very responsive to customer queries. Sent them a question on future inventory and no replies at all.
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Offline redpill

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« Reply #125 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 19:01:25 »
I'm feeling pretty good about my $290 87UB 55g from eBay.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #126 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 19:06:03 »
You should be glad that I threadcrapped that thread, and the seller lowered the cost from $400 USD.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 19:16:33 »
Speaking of threadcrapping: KL should realize by now that his one-year-old RF87UB which was his daily driver at work is no way worth that much money.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 19:24:27 »
It is not necessary, as it seems there is not much demand for the black variable models.
The new fad is the silent, white, or uniform weighted models.
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Offline SecrtAgentMan

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« Reply #129 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 19:24:43 »
Yes ^

For...erm...science.
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Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 23:01:27 »
I sold 2 87u's for $200 and $225 last year.  Paid nearly that for one this year... because it's white.  Silly I know but ever since seeing the tea picture below and watching the asian lady type on one on youtube I've been itching for one.



I don't really care about the silent vs regular thing.  So far it's really fun to type on but I can't say how much I like it for at least a couple of weeks.  It takes me that long to get used to Topres and start utilizing the capacitive switches instead of bottoming out on boobs.  This time around might be faster to adjust because I have been using Cherry browns at work and capacitive bs at home.
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #131 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 23:08:51 »
If there ends up not being an all-45g white Realforce I'll be forced to mod one :/
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Offline aggiejy

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« Reply #132 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 10:06:27 »
I find myself squinting to find keys when doing keyboard shortcuts for coding with my 86UB.  And here I was thinking about getting an all blank board.  Now I'm wishing I got an 86U instead.  :)  But I'll live... I do like the look of the black better.
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Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #133 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 12:48:23 »
Quote from: kinkng;396564
Seems like EliteKeyboards is not very responsive to customer queries. Sent them a question on future inventory and no replies at all.

At least they are always very responsive when you have an issue about an actual order. It's easy to understand why they would not be forthcoming about new products since it could potentially make their current stock harder to sell.

I probably asked them 3 or 4 times what specific model they would carry later this summer, and never got an answer either. At lest they did not tell me to bugger off...
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Offline Kisakuku

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« Reply #134 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 17:35:14 »
Kinda busy and the space bar obviously doesn't fit, but helps me combat seasonal affective disorder.

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Interestingly, the font size on the letter keys is a lot larger than on the default Topre keycaps and the replacement lavender WASD.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #135 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:18:57 »
Actually it looks quite nice on that 103UB.
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Offline JLai

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« Reply #136 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:40:48 »
87UB came in the mail today. :)  Very pleased with the quality of the keyboard.  Also like the fact it "thocks" but isn't annoyingly loud like my cherry blues.  Surprisingly, Topres feel exactly how I expected them to feel.  I also like the variable weighting...It feels natural and I don't notice it unless I really look for it.  Wish I would have jumped on the wagon during the first round when these were available. Overall really happy with the purchase and glad I didn't compromise and get the 86UB.
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Offline Kisakuku

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« Reply #137 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:43:57 »
Quote from: RiGS;397287
Actually it looks quite nice on that 103UB.

Oh I do agree, it's just quite a departure from the understated look I've gotten used to. Really wish the yellow set were available.
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Offline kinkng

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« Reply #138 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:25:40 »
Even though the space bar is shorter than the original, it still looks pretty good. I had figure that if I bought a set for my 86UB, I would not swap out the original space bar but now I think I may since it looks ok with the shorter space bar of the 87Us.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #139 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:31:43 »
Quote from: kinkng;397323
Even though the space bar is shorter than the original, it still looks pretty good. I had figure that if I bought a set for my 86UB, I would not swap out the original space bar but now I think I may since it looks ok with the shorter space bar of the 87Us.

+1
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Offline Kisakuku

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« Reply #140 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:40:33 »
Quote from: kinkng;397323
Even though the space bar is shorter than the original, it still looks pretty good. I had figure that if I bought a set for my 86UB, I would not swap out the original space bar but now I think I may since it looks ok with the shorter space bar of the 87Us.

I tried it with the original black space bar, but visually it's even weirder, because it looks like somebody took a bite out of the nice rectangular mass of orange and red. Stabilizers line up fine with the shorter space bar, so I guess I'll just use a canned air duster to clean out the two new crevices.
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« Reply #141 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:45:55 »
I agree with them... the shorter space bar looks fine.  Actually kind of cool.
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Offline Kisakuku

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« Reply #142 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:58:49 »
Quote from: aggiejy;397335
I agree with them... the shorter space bar looks fine.  Actually kind of cool.

I'm not disagreeing, just endlessly wrestling with my OCD nature.

Also, apparently I should have bought an extra key puller. Guess I got lucky I didn't break the stabilizers Ripster-style while pulling out the original long space bar. At least now I have much easier access to the sides of the short space bar without removing the Alt's.

What's the general consensus nowadays: reverse the space bar a-la Sensitive Thumbs RiGS or use the default orientation; remove the spring under it or keep it?
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #143 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:06:50 »
It depends on your finger length, typing style, posture, and whether you use the wrist rest.
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« Reply #144 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:16:01 »
Quote from: Kisakuku;397343
What's the general consensus nowadays: reverse the space bar a-la Sensitive Thumbs RiGS or use the default orientation; remove the spring under it or keep it?

Talk about OCD... I had mine reversed for about a week.  I like it much better that way, but the look drove me bat****crazy.  I just deal with the sharp edge now. :)
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« Reply #145 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:35:50 »
Quote from: Kisakuku;397248
Kinda busy and the space bar obviously doesn't fit, but helps me combat seasonal affective disorder.

Congrats on the keycaps.  The keyboard looks great!

But I'm having a serious "WTF!?!?" moment here.  Towards Topre, not you.

I've got an 87UB that is currently wearing yellow caps from the group buy.  And a set of red lettered caps just arrived today from EK.  Not sure what I'm going to do with them yet, but when I saw them awailable I had to have them LOL

When I bought these sets I just assumed that they would match perfectly to a 103.  I mean, all the keycaps for the tenkeypad are there.  And since the spacebar that came with the colored keycaps matches the 87U (not the 86U), I just made the additional assumption that the space bar on the 103 must be the same as on the 87.  I obviously never looked at the 103 that closely.

So what the hell is Topre thinking?  They have a set of keycaps that's mostly for the 103 except the spacebar isn't?  It's obviously not for a TKL since all the extra keycaps are there.  And it's also not quite for the 87U since it doesn't have the correct swapped Control/Capslock keys without/with windows.

So what Topre keyboard are these sets a perfect match for?  Or is there not one?

The idea of using the proper-sized black space bar, or the shorter colored spacebar would both trigger my OCD.  I'm not sure which one would trigger it more.  I guess I'll find out if/when I buy a 103.
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Offline Crazy9000

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« Reply #146 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:46:57 »
Quote from: jayfinger;397367

So what Topre keyboard are these sets a perfect match for?  Or is there not one?


For the 87u or the 104u. The title at EK says it :p.
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« Reply #147 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:47:13 »
Quote from: jayfinger;397367
I've got an 87UB that is currently wearing yellow caps from the group buy.  And a set of red lettered caps just arrived today from EK.  Not sure what I'm going to do with them yet


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Offline Kisakuku

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« Reply #148 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:48:22 »
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Congrats on the keycaps.  The keyboard looks great!

So what the hell is Topre thinking?  They have a set of keycaps that's mostly for the 103 except the spacebar isn't?  It's obviously not for a TKL since all the extra keycaps are there.  And it's also not quite for the 87U since it doesn't have the correct swapped Control/Capslock keys without/with windows.

My understanding was that these sets were for the 104s and 87s, but without the possibility of swapping Control / Capslock keys on the 87s. They do have two versions of Num lock / Caps lock / Control keys already, one for 104s, one for 87s, so I guess Topre decided to cut corners and not include the third version for the reversed 87s. Queue Ripster rant about lazy Topre engineers.
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« Reply #149 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:50:15 »
Woah, Immediately after I posted, Kisakuku posts a reply with the same colors in his avatar.

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