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« Reply #550 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:02:04 »
i actually agree. the more the merrier.

like you said it almost certainly won't make a difference, so if we do hit 100, hold a couple dollars back on each order and pick up extras with the remainder (most of us sane people will want you to do this even if just so that you have replacement keys etc anyway)

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« Reply #551 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:02:43 »
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So... other people who want sets can't get one so you can take advantage of free sets? Not trying to be rude/disrespectful or anything, but I don't really think this was discussed in the original post. Sure, you said there was no magic number, but at the same time you never said you would artificially limit the number of orders so that you can take advantage of the non existent magic number. Count me out of this GB if numbers are going to be limited. That's not what I signed up for.

... You're assuming that there are even going to be more than 95 orders. I got 1 more order today, and lost one earlier. We've got another 9 to go and I said a while ago that if we got plenty of orders I would close it early to get it rolling. Everyone was expecting we might get 50 orders... not double that. If we were to suddenly jump above 100 orders in the next couple of days, of course I'm not going to tell a dozen guys they can't get their keys so I can make some money. This group buy has never been about me making money, the profit potential simply isn't there if I have to invest in buying leftover sets to sell. I was only asking if it was cool with everyone if I could take advantage of the quantity discount so I could make this worth the enormous amount of time it consumes. Its 3 whole dollars... on a set that thanks to me you guys actually are going to get, at half the cost it was going to be when it got pulled. If that is a problem then I guess I'll stop doing these and leave them to other guys who are using the same sort of principles to make money. The difference is that I am completely open about it and welcome discussion and criticism of it. So far you're the first to voice a negative opinion on it.

I suppose if the discount and me making money isn't the problem, and limiting the number of orders is, I could leave it open to as many people as we get, but not share the 100 quantity discount (unless we magically get to near 150 etc, but that isn't going to happen,) but that isn't something I would ever do without approval.
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« Reply #552 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:07:55 »
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... You're assuming that there are even going to be more than 95 orders. I got 1 more order today, and lost one earlier. We've got another 9 to go and I said a while ago that if we got plenty of orders I would close it early to get it rolling. Everyone was expecting we might get 50 orders... not double that. If we were to suddenly jump above 100 orders in the next couple of days, of course I'm not going to tell a dozen guys they can't get their keys so I can make some money. This group buy has never been about me making money, the profit potential simply isn't there if I have to invest in buying leftover sets to sell. I was only asking if it was cool with everyone if I could take advantage of the quantity discount so I could make this worth the enormous amount of time it consumes. Its 3 whole dollars... on a set that thanks to me you guys actually are going to get, at half the cost it was going to be when it got pulled. If that is a problem then I guess I'll stop doing these and leave them to other guys who are using the same sort of principles to make money. The difference is that I am completely open about it and welcome discussion and criticism of it. So far you're the first to voice a negative opinion on it.

I suppose if the discount and me making money isn't the problem, and limiting the number of orders is, I could leave it open to as many people as we get, but not share the 100 quantity discount (unless we magically get to near 150 etc, but that isn't going to happen,) but that isn't something I would ever do without approval.


I'm all for you making money off of the "magic number." I don't really have a problem with the number of orders being limited either to ensure that. I just don't like things changing mid buy.
To elaborate, if we get to 76 and it's enough to buy 100, boom thats 24 sets for you. I'd hope you would give some away/auction and give some money to GH or something, but I have 0 problem with you selling the other 20 for profit.
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« Reply #553 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:17:08 »
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I'm all for you making money off of the "magic number." I don't really have a problem with the number of orders being limited either to ensure that. I just don't like things changing mid buy.
To elaborate, if we get to 76 and it's enough to buy 100, boom thats 24 sets for you. I'd hope you would give some away/auction and give some money to GH or something, but I have 0 problem with you selling the other 20 for profit.

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« Reply #554 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:25:12 »
This has all been discussed already, but yes, there has been suggestions of raffling/auctioning off extras that everyone contributed to, but there is no really fair way to do that. I would actually make less money if I stopped at 99 orders, since I would only have one extra set to sell for profit, but if that happened I would get whatever the discount is worth of money for free. Instead I prefer to offer extra sets to people that missed out on ordering in the actual group buy, which requires me to work for it. I see your point though, I did say in the OP that I wouldn't cut the orders short to jew people out of a discount. It was said when I was thinking we might get 50 orders, and I wouldn't limit it to 45-49 or w/e. I suppose it still applies, though I did say later that I may close it early if we hit really good order counts and it then stalls at a certain number... that was meant to get it moving quickly, not cut orders. Btw the numbers aren't anything close to yours, its more like 94 is the same price as 100. 95 requires I spend money to do it, that's why I picked it.

Anyways, we're talking about me selling 5 sets for ~$250-300. I normally expect/want to make between $500-1000 for each group buy I do. The $1 collected on top of each order usually ends up getting eaten in packaging, gas, and misc costs, so it really is a handling fee. There is a bit of markup on the bubble mailers, but those aren't even being used here... so really the only way I'm going to make any money is selling those... and even then its much less than I would normally get. The reward for everyone isn't a couple of free sets to some lucky members, or donations to iMav, its that I keep doing these for everyone, my group buys are extremely well organized and efficient, but that takes a lot of my limited time- so it better be worth it.

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« Reply #555 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:46:23 »
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I did say in the OP that I wouldn't cut the orders short to jew people out of a discount.


Priceless.

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« Reply #556 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:53:47 »
I have no problem with Ragnorock making some money considering the amount of time he's investing in it. Atleast he's being open about it

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« Reply #557 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 01:02:51 »
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Priceless.
iknorite? Lol I never expected to hit this many orders. I was thinking 75 tops! :rofl:

Let me make it clear though, I wouldn't be asking to do this if it was anything less than the 100 discount. That price break is so small I didn't think anyone would care.

Edit: Also I'm not saying I AM doing it, I'm saying that I'm considering it, so that everyone can discuss it like we are now. If the feedback is positive, then I may just go back on my word in the OP, but it would only be with the consent of everyone. Its up to you guys really whether you think I should make some money here or not. It does help me justify all the time I spend on here to the GF, just sayin'.
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« Reply #558 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 02:13:25 »
Don't cut the orders short. Just say that if it goes above 100 orders the price is $45. Then you still make money and can order however many extra sets that money will cover. Win-win, everybody who wants in can get in and you still make some well-earned cheddar. :)
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« Reply #559 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 02:14:28 »
That sounds reasonable, thoughts?

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« Reply #560 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 02:17:26 »
The more time you spend here the more chance of us getting cheap as hell doubleshot sets like this so I'm all for it haha.  It's only fair that you pocket something from all this, you're the one going to all the effort organizing it, the rest of us are merely paying bugger all for a set of desirable keys, that's how I see it anyway.
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« Reply #561 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 02:54:47 »
$45 is still really cheap for a set of double shots imo, so it's cool with me.
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« Reply #562 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 03:19:46 »
That was exactly what I was going to suggest, and actually, that's how I read the original post.  I didn't get any hint that order taking was about to stop!  In fact, I need to add 104 and phantom to both of my sets!

I was thinking that maybe if the profit margin is great enough, and Ragnarok takes a nice profic, that the 104, Phantom, and ISO add-on sets might get some subsidy love....  What does everyone think of that?
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« Reply #563 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 03:29:07 »
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$45 is still really cheap for a set of double shots imo, so it's cool with me.

Upon re thinking everything. I agree. Apologies for coming off wrong rag. If you want to make some money for spending so much time on this GB, by all means please do. Please don't cancel my order :)

If it were a big discount from 75 -> 100 but nobody got the discount that might be a different case. But 3 bucks aint ****, I mean, I'm paying more than that to have a win logo made.

Again, apologies if I came off wrong :)

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« Reply #564 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 03:42:17 »
It appears that every time a Rag gb pops up people have their feelings about how the pricing/profit structure works. The thing that should be recognized is that prior to these types of buys the disclosure of profits/pricing was next to nil; the majority of organizers set a price, held the price, and made whatever money for the discounts that were achieved. Beginning with the SC2 keycap buy we began to see a growth in disclosure to the point where we, as buyers, were well aware of the discounts that SP gives to the count-tiers and in turn the actual price-per-caps structure.

Now, with this being said, I can plainly say that any group buy that tells me the lowest price of the caps, the reasoning behind it, and the price for manufacturing from SP is a group buy that I can be happy with. I like knowing what the caps are worth in terms of manufacturing and if I am paying for just that, the creation of the caps, and not a bunch of fees to make the organizer rich that is ideal. Having Dave make money from the extras by not giving us one more tier of discounts (of which is far less significant than what a 1x single key buy has available) may not be ideal but if I am still getting the keycaps for $46, $50, or even $55 I am happy because, well, its far cheaper than can be found in the classifieds for an 87 set of doubleshots or in RD4. Group Buys are run off of effort, and effort has to be funded, and if that funding is not ADDED to the price of what I am buying then great.

If people want to complain about pricing then go back and look at the TeamLiquid keycap buy. $4 for a group buy keycap and people bought them like sheep. Three months later I, and later Tsangan by proxy, sold keycaps for $.41 using the disclosure method institutionalized by Rag/Dave.
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« Reply #565 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 03:52:58 »
The only thing we need now are 5 more people to buy a phantom kit... ;-)
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« Reply #566 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 04:13:48 »
No, 4 more ISO guys. ;P

Another thing, would the price drop a bit if one of the 3 keys was in fact the same as one offered in the Phantom/Tsangan kit? Both kits contain a row 4 1unit key that doesn't have a specific legend, just something that's supposed to look cool, so it could be the same key. I'm all in for a diamond or something like that.

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« Reply #567 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 04:38:25 »
Or 5 people buying both ;-)

Hm, looking at it I don't really need an extra row 4 key in the iso kit because I have the 2 keys from phantom that I could use (I need phantom only for the caps lock).
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« Reply #568 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 04:57:06 »
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I normally expect/want to make between $500-1000 for each group buy I do.


At $15/hr (assuming a $750 profit) you'd have to put in 50 hours of solid work into the group buy. Bulllll****.

That being said I will take 5 sets.


On second thought, I'll take 0 sets.

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« Reply #569 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 05:50:07 »
Ok, I'm completely lost now. Can someone tell me what I need to order to cover everything on an ISO Compaq MX11800, that doesn't have winkeys?
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« Reply #570 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 06:09:11 »
Something like this?
http://www.gpc-nord.de/ebay/tastatur_server_compaq1.jpg

Just order everything. There might be problems with different row profiles, especially with delete, end, page down, those are row 2 here and most likely row 1 on your board. But if that right shift is the same as the one in this tsangan kit (1.75?) then everything should at least fit on the stems. Oh, and you need BLANK/BLANKJRET/BLACK from round 4.

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« Reply #571 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 06:27:44 »
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Don't cut the orders short. Just say that if it goes above 100 orders the price is $45. Then you still make money and can order however many extra sets that money will cover. Win-win, everybody who wants in can get in and you still make some well-earned cheddar. :)


Sounds like a very decent plan/deal to me.

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« Reply #572 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 07:03:00 »
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Don't cut the orders short. Just say that if it goes above 100 orders the price is $45. Then you still make money and can order however many extra sets that money will cover. Win-win, everybody who wants in can get in and you still make some well-earned cheddar. :)


PM'd for 1 set, and this seems to be a nice compromise.
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« Reply #573 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 07:36:38 »
Looking at these prices, I really have to ask Melissa for a new price quote, because the difference is insane!

I obviously get higher prices for my group buy than Ragnarok gets.
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« Reply #574 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 07:38:57 »
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Looking at these prices, I really have to ask Melissa for a new price quote, because the difference is insane!

I obviously get higher prices for my group buy than Ragnarok gets.

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« Reply #575 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 07:53:38 »
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You don't say
...


The Ragnarok Doubleshot Red kit would cost around $60 without shipping (not even within US) and no sales tax (not mentioning VAT).

I think I will have to seriously talk to Melissa!

This may take a while...

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« Reply #576 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 08:58:27 »
Soo, RAGNAROK price per set is at 46.00 USD now? That's really cheap for a tenkeyless set compared to R4, quite tempting...
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« Reply #577 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 09:50:22 »
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At $15/hr (assuming a $750 profit) you'd have to put in 50 hours of solid work into the group buy. Bulllll****.

That being said I will take 5 sets.


On second thought, I'll take 0 sets.
Look man, I don't know what in the world your problem is, but you need to get a grip now. Every day, (not just the days orders are open or I'm collecting payment) after I get home from school I spend 2-6+ hours on here taking orders, maintaining threads, and answering questions. EVERY DAY. 50 hours doesn't even come close. With a handful of exceptions, there hasn't been a day in months that I haven't spent a significant portion of my free time working on stuff for this community, and for you to sit there from your desk down in Portland and come into pretty much only my threads and tell me that I haven't been working hard enough for the money I get in exchange for this group buy is the real bullsh!t. Get a life, or maybe run your own group buy and see how much effort it actually takes to do it well and keep it organized. Anyone can come on here, type up 100 words and say okay taking orders, and then do jack until orders close... then do a lazy job putting everything together and end up with a bunch of incorrect or missing orders... I don't do that. I try hard to give everyone on here the best group buy experience possible, and by and large the feedback I get says exactly that. If you don't find the terms to your liking, you don't buy, simple as that, but I find it extremely insulting for someone like you, who has never had any intention of buying from any of my group buys, to repeatedly come into my threads and try and undermine my operations as a seller. I have repeatedly asked you to stay out of my threads, but you lack the common courtesy to do even that. Whatever the chip on your shoulder is, going after me isn't going to fix it, and I'm not going to give you what you want... whatever THAT is.

Also 7bit I do believe that the reason your prices are higher is simply because it is a lot more work for them to keep track of running several vastly different set types and colors than it is to just do a lot of kits with one color. If you look at the first price tier, its pretty much in line with yours, but without knowing your counts its not like I have an idea where the discounts actually are. The question is whether you have enough of each kind of set to hit a price break or not... or you do and aren't passing it on (I doubt it.)

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« Reply #578 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 09:56:00 »
You tell him Rag. He is definitely the minority. This gb is smooth as butter I love it.

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« Reply #579 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:03:16 »
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Upon re thinking everything. I agree. Apologies for coming off wrong rag. If you want to make some money for spending so much time on this GB, by all means please do. Please don't cancel my order :)

If it were a big discount from 75 -> 100 but nobody got the discount that might be a different case. But 3 bucks aint ****, I mean, I'm paying more than that to have a win logo made.

Again, apologies if I came off wrong :)
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« Reply #580 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:04:11 »
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The Ragnarok Doubleshot Red kit would cost around $60 without shipping (not even within US) and no sales tax (not mentioning VAT).

I think I will have to seriously talk to Melissa!

This may take a while...

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« Reply #581 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:12:04 »
those nyan keys still blow my mind.

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« Reply #582 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:23:53 »
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Look man, ... after I get home from school I spend 2-6+ hours on here taking orders, maintaining threads, and answering questions. EVERY DAY. 50 hours doesn't even come close. ...


I fully aggree!

It is quite time consuming. Even though the layout graphic for this had already been done and it is just a small group buy.
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Also 7bit I do believe that the reason your prices are higher is simply because it is a lot more work for them to keep track of running several vastly different set types and colors than it is to just do a lot of kits with one color. If you look at the first price tier, its pretty much in line with yours, but without knowing your counts its not like I have an idea where the discounts actually are. The question is whether you have enough of each kind of set to hit a price break or not... or you do and aren't passing it on (I doubt it.)
No, my profit from Round 3 was to be able to buy key caps for myself which I could not get otherwise.

The prices are higher because:
- I've got to pay the penalty of Round 3 super-low prices
- There are a bit higher shipping costs to me
- There is 19% VAT instead of ?? % sales tax
- 2 new space bar tools are calculated into the prices (SPH style).

The biggest problem are the prices from SP.

My original prices where based on Round 3 pricing and included all oher costs mentioned in the list above.


@Ragnorock:
- Please take as much profit from this as you can to make R4 look not too expensive!!!
- Also, it is fully OK to take some amount for you work, because it is time consuming!
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« Reply #583 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:26:37 »
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« Reply #584 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:26:49 »
Lol fair enough man. I suppose there is a significant advantage to being in the US for sure. I won't be raising prices though! We should probably coordinate so we don't do competing kits because I don't want to drive you out, hell I joined because Round 4 had SC2 caps at the time!

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« Reply #585 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:39:24 »
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Lol fair enough man. I suppose there is a significant advantage to being in the US for sure. I won't be raising prices though! We should probably coordinate so we don't do competing kits because I don't want to drive you out, hell I joined because Round 4 had SC2 caps at the time!

If now someone starts a NOIR group buy, mabe I can get rid of that too and concentrate on what is left over. But before that, I really need to talk to Melissa, because the $60 I calculated based on the SP prices I get are without anything like I mentioned above, so prices for me are inacceptable.
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« Reply #586 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:52:16 »
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Something like this?
http://www.gpc-nord.de/ebay/tastatur_server_compaq1.jpg

Just order everything. There might be problems with different row profiles, especially with delete, end, page down, those are row 2 here and most likely row 1 on your board. But if that right shift is the same as the one in this tsangan kit (1.75?) then everything should at least fit on the stems. Oh, and you need BLANK/BLANKJRET/BLACK from round 4.


That's the one. And thanks for that, it looks like this board is going to be troublesome because of it's non-standard layout. Never mind. :(
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« Reply #587 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 11:14:47 »
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« Reply #588 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 11:17:54 »
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« Reply #589 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 12:40:34 »
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Ok, I'm completely lost now. Can someone tell me what I need to order to cover everything on an ISO Compaq MX11800, that doesn't have winkeys?

Yes it will but you would need both the 11 keys add on kit for the 1.5x modifiers and stepped caps, as well as the 104 kit for the tenkeypad
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« Reply #590 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 12:54:05 »
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Yes it will but you would need both the 11 keys add on kit for the 1.5x modifiers and stepped caps, as well as the 104 kit for the tenkeypad


What about the row differences?

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« Reply #591 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 18:41:19 »
OP updated again. Got a few, lost a few.

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« Reply #592 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 22:53:10 »
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« Reply #593 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 00:20:16 »
Ragnarok
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« Reply #594 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 03:40:40 »
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Looking at these prices, I really have to ask Melissa for a new price quote, because the difference is insane!

I obviously get higher prices for my group buy than Ragnarok gets.

Please do. I'd love it if the NOIR set a similar price as this, and I don't see a reason it can't be given that nice white lettering on black key should be pretty standard/popular.
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« Reply #595 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 05:43:20 »
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OP updated again. Got a few, lost a few.

Might also be worth updating the OP to align the name of the add on set.
In some places it is 'Phantom', in others 'Tsangan's Combatibility Kit'. Might be a little confusing to people new to the thread.
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« Reply #596 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 05:44:38 »
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Please do. I'd love it if the NOIR set a similar price as this, and I don't see a reason it can't be given that nice white lettering on black key should be pretty standard/popular.


Please don't. I want my national layout. ;-3

NOIR doesn't really make sense in a group buy like this one, IMO, you can get a standard white on black set anyway via Cherry double shots, it's the extras that make NOIR interesting.

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« Reply #597 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 08:59:06 »
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« Reply #598 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 10:18:25 »
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Might also be worth updating the OP to align the name of the add on set.
In some places it is 'Phantom', in others 'Tsangan's Combatibility Kit'. Might be a little confusing to people new to the thread.
Not a biggy but...
Done. I got most of them but got sidetracked while updating other stuff.

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« Reply #599 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 10:56:16 »
In for ragnarok x1. I m in US.