Taobao Goods

[IPT]

How old are you to NOT have a tax number?

kid's still in HS i believe

[dirge]

So age check before any group-buys from now on?  You can have good intentions but if you haven't got personal income and rely on pocket money you're gonna have a bad time...

[Tennobanzai]

So age check before any group-buys from now on?  You can have good intentions but if you haven't got personal income and rely on pocket money you're gonna have a bad time...

Age doesn't matter much. I've seen on other forums where scammers were 20s and 30s. What did make a difference is how scammers were dealt with.

[dirge]

If I put myself in a real life situation where I needed to evaluate whether I was being scammed or not.  I think a 12 year old in a school uniform telling me lies would be easier to spot than a 35 year old in a suit.  End result could be the same, but if you told your mates which would make you look like a bigger mug?

Not trolling just saying if you think about it, we're all equal on the internet, it's a good thing, but trust is always going to be a tricky area because of that.

[jdcarpe]

FYI, the Internet is written in ink. Your reputation will follow you. You cannot hide from it. And now, no one will ever want to transact business with this "kid" ever again. Such a shame to ruin your online reputation at such a young age.

[dirge]

Well, unless he changes hobby and username.

again not trolling but even keyboard sites get sockpuppets.

[thegunner100]

Well, unless he changes hobby and username.

again not trolling but even keyboard sites get sockpuppets.

We can all learn from master ripster.

[dirge]

Still want my R.I.Pster key...

[dirge]

He pissed webwit off I think. He's on Reddit now.

[rayuki]

Yes the total amount is 500-1000, but what are we all going to do?  Go to small claims court filing in CA?
Im gonna fly to CA, file in small claim's court and pay what, $50 for my court filing?
To claim $24? 

And its not like there's any group action that can be done about it, maybe if someone has thrown in like $500 themselves, they'll find it worth while to do this

Me?  Plane ticket + time = i'll just chalk it up as a douchebag on the internet.

I was talking about criminal court, not civil court.

yep, criminal court. i know a guy in australia that scammed people on some forums for alot less then this and he got a year suspended sentence (granted he was a repeat offender) but it cant happen.

[Quarzac]

So age check before any group-buys from now on?  You can have good intentions but if you haven't got personal income and rely on pocket money you're gonna have a bad time...

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I don't like this idea. I'm 18 and I've run two completely successful group buys. The key component is not the age of the person, but the maturity thereof.

[rayuki]

So age check before any group-buys from now on?  You can have good intentions but if you haven't got personal income and rely on pocket money you're gonna have a bad time...

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I don't like this idea. I'm 18 and I've run two completely successful group buys. The key component is not the age of the person, but the maturity thereof.

18 is not a kid lol

[hashbaz]

Maturity is pretty tough to measure online.  Age is a lousy proxy, but it's something at least.

[dirge]

So age check before any group-buys from now on?  You can have good intentions but if you haven't got personal income and rely on pocket money you're gonna have a bad time...

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I don't like this idea. I'm 18 and I've run two completely successful group buys. The key component is not the age of the person, but the maturity thereof.

your right, I take it back, you helped me out bud :) and thanks again for that.

but if I made a mistake as an adult and it was going to cost a hundred quid.  I could face that easier than if i was a child and had no source of income.

[Tennobanzai]

[下午 07:00:57] Andrew Chang: and packages are going out tomorrow

What happened to this?

[Halverson]

[下午 07:00:57] Andrew Chang: and packages are going out tomorrow

What happened to this?

Kellybear, our amazing middleman is sick currently. I am guessing a better update after the weekend from her/him. Until then, sit tight, and enjoy the weekend!

[Kellybear]

Taobao packages still haven't been shipped out, but I'm trying to get him to do it as soon as he can. For now I go back to bed. I will bother him again when I am better in a few days!

[WhiteFireDragon]

Next time you get a chance to talk to him, don't bother asking when he will ship out the stuff, because whatever he says will just be another lie. Instead, ask him why he went hiding in a cave for a couple months, and why he doesn't bother to just drop it off at the post office. I'd love to hear his reason. And also ask him to take pics of everything already packaged up, because at this point I don't believe he even has the packages.

[thegunner100]

He did post a picture of the stuff that he had actually receive, but seriously... it's not that hard to just put everything inside bubble mailers, write down addresses, and mail them out.

[WhiteFireDragon]

I don't remember exactly, I might have seen a pic too. But I think this was only a few sc2 caps, it could have been his own personal cap. When there are 39 orders, each with at least several sets and he still shows no proof of everything, then I still have doubts whether actually ordered them. Just like the other group buy, he collected all money and never sent the order to imsto.

And according to him, he already packaged everything and ready to ship a couple months ago. So this isn't even a matter of taking massive amount of time to put in bubble mailers and address everything. I just don't understand what's up with this lack of communication and stalling when he clearly still logs in to this forum on a weekly basis.

[thegunner100]

No, he definitely had the keycaps from this groupbuy. I saw my "osu" keycaps there, and I was the only person to actually order those.

But I agree... the lack of communication is disheartening, to say the least!

[IPT]

No, he definitely had the keycaps from this groupbuy. I saw my "osu" keycaps there, and I was the only person to actually order those.

But I agree... the lack of communication is disheartening, to say the least!

pretty sure i ordered one too
along with the ROG keycap and SC caps

[Wildcard]

And South Park sets

[IPT]

went through my PM's, here it is:

You have ordered 2 WHITE SC2 SETS,1 SOUTHPARK SET, and 1 of each imsto(girl,osu, rog 3 in total)  , which comes to a total cost of 20.00 + 4.00 shipping CONUS. If you are international, please pm me and I will tell you the costs.

Please make the payment to zhangaz@gmail.com through gift, and leave your order and username there to make it easier for me. Reply to this message with your shipping address as well.

If there are any mistakes, please reply within 24 hours of this message.

If there are none, pay by Friday, March 9. And include a tip if you want <3.


THANKS
Andrew

[pyro_dragun]

Taobao packages still haven't been shipped out, but I'm trying to get him to do it as soon as he can. For now I go back to bed. I will bother him again when I am better in a few days!

Thanks for keeping us all updated Kellybear, you are a saint!

I'm guessing the keycaps still haven't been shipped out though

That means I'm down about $100 :/

[telepete]

Since this guy is ignoring us perhaps someone could knock on his door or give him a call? I'm not sure what to do about this. I feel helpless and my patience ran out 4 months ago. Changdrew [I know you won't answer but we all know you still log in] if the keys actually exist you need to send them. I am about to get in touch with paypal again to try to get my moneys.

[i3oilermaker]

Are these keys a lost cause?  Kellybear can you maybe check in to see whats going on with these?

[CaiSter21]

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy took our money, bought the keycaps, and then resold them somewhere else...

[bisl]

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy took our money, bought the keycaps, and then resold them somewhere else...

I think the much more likely case is that he just took your money.

[thegunner100]

@ projectD, so you did see the picture with the osu keys correct?

[IPT]

@ projectD, so you did see the picture with the osu keys correct?

nah i didn't bother following the pictures, again i just assume he doesn't have the actual keys and just scammed us.

[naranja]

I've been away from GH for a bit since the site was 'down'. Can I get an update/summary on the whole Changdrew debacle? I was one of the first to jump on his groupbuy buying a kitty-cat wrist rest(hah). It cost me around $18. Is it a lost cause at this point?

[MissMurd3r84]

From the look of this thread and all the replies to it, I'd not hold my breath waiting.

[thegunner100]

It's pretty much a lost cause, some got their money back, others didn't. Hey, atleast this isn't as bad as what Kisa pulled!

[oneproduct]

What did happen with Kisakuku? He owes me $50.

[alvinliang]

so this post is about a scammer?

[thegunner100]

What did happen with Kisakuku? He owes me $50.

As far as I know, he's dead, and he has all of his clickclacks buried with him, along with my blue CC MX WASD + arrow + esc skull set.

[naranja]

It's pretty much a lost cause, some got their money back, others didn't. Hey, atleast this isn't as bad as what Kisa pulled!

What he do?

[Glissant]

I think I already asked this, but did people from this buy get any refunds, or are people mixing this with the imsto sub keycaps?

[WhiteFireDragon]

I think I already asked this, but did people from this buy get any refunds, or are people mixing this with the imsto sub keycaps?

I think most people in the imsto dysub GB were already refunded, but I don't think anyone here got refunds except for reaper. This douche bag pretty scammed us.

[telepete]

It's confusing to me because he refunded the other buy. I paid a total of around $100 between this buy and the other one. Why refund more than half of the money [with 'sorry' in the comment section]? Worst scam ever lol. Some have theorized that he bought the keys [I remember a pic, not saying it was the real deal] but spent the shipping money elsewhere and can't ship them now [I remember someone saying he bought a bunch of Topre gear right after collecting the money]. I guess we'll never know.

[pyro_dragun]

Ok, this is getting really annoying. That means I'm down about $100 to this f*cker. We need to get his address and have some people living in norcal to go and knock on his door and make him man up.

[metafour]

Ok, this is getting really annoying. That means I'm down about $100 to this f*cker. We need to get his address and have some people living in norcal to go and knock on his door and make him man up.

Yeah, except he's just a kid.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Ok, this is getting really annoying. That means I'm down about $100 to this f*cker. We need to get his address and have some people living in norcal to go and knock on his door and make him man up.

Here you go. I'll delete or edit out person info whenever he decides to refund or take ship what he owes. Mail him a bag of dog sh!t or pay him a visit in person:

Deleted -JwaZ

Ok, this is getting really annoying. That means I'm down about $100 to this f*cker. We need to get his address and have some people living in norcal to go and knock on his door and make him man up.

Yeah, except he's just a kid.

Doesn't make it any less wrong or right that he's a kid. It's still pretty much a scam, and you're still losing the same amount of money.

[metafour]

Ok, this is getting really annoying. That means I'm down about $100 to this f*cker. We need to get his address and have some people living in norcal to go and knock on his door and make him man up.

Yeah, except he's just a kid.

Doesn't make it any less wrong or right that he's a kid. It's still pretty much a scam, and you're still losing the same amount of money.

Absolutely. I just worry what someone might think of doing to make him "man up"

[jwaz]

PM it all you want but posting his address doesn't fly.

[WhiteFireDragon]

PM it all you want but posting his address doesn't fly.

Hmm so basically this scamming can go on without any repercussion to him. I posted his address up in hopes he would actually come out to respond and tell me to take it off. But I guess you guys just made it easier for him.

[jwaz]

I've got a lot of respect for you WFD but I'm not alone in thinking that this isn't ok to post. I'm speaking for all of the mods when I say this.


He (Andrew) clearly doesn't have any interest in this community anymore

[CaiSter21]

then why the hell does he still visit the forums?
it says that his last login was yesterday...

[hashbaz]

He reads this thread, I'm sure, to gauge the pitchfork level.