OK, PC Blew Up, Need Build Advice

[Phaedrus2129]

blarg

[instantkamera]

That's fine. I posted that earlier.


First thing I plan on doing when I get my PC built is this calculation:
4195835.0/3145727.0 = 1.333 820 449 136 241 002 (correct result)
 4195835.0/3145727.0 = 1.333 739 068 902 037 589 (incorrect result on a defective Pentium)

Whatever floats you boat. but I say, who needs precision??

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>>> int(4195835.0/3145727.0)
1
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[microsoft windows]

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You can't make fun of my computers anymore. Or my basement. Yours look worse!

[instantkamera]

You can't make fun of my computers anymore. Or my basement. Yours look worse!

yes he can.

[instantkamera]

In before the shipments stopped!
Up and running.  Damn, I'm impressed with SSDs.  I must restrain myself from upgrading my laptop and two other PCs.   I'll probably just get in the habit of buying one at the $200 pricepoint every new generation.  Easiest build yet.  Hopefully they'll give me 6 months or so to RMA the motherboard.

So how is it in the benchies? Sorry I don't feel like digging through pages of crap, care to sum up the part list? Curious about RAM, no trip chan it looks like ?

[itlnstln]

I like the new watermark on your pics; much less intrusive.  What happened to Helvectica?

[Pylon]

So you switched to Calibri. Hmm...

[itlnstln]

Can you translate what instantkamera just said??

Nope, I don't speak Geek.

[hfcobra]

the venemous x is a great heatsink, although if you have the room (and the money) look into the Noctua NH-D14, it is VERY quiet and has been named the king of air cooling.  Although it is also the biggest heatsink out there right now so if you dont have room for it then you should look elsewhere.  

[microsoft windows]

Nobody should  need a heat  sink like that for  home computing.

[cometbus]

Good lord, careful you don't wander too close to the intake on that beast, it'll be the last thing you ever do.

[Brian8bit]

Good lord, careful you don't wander too close to the intake on that beast, it'll be the last thing you ever do.

Might get lucky like this chap.

[bigpook]

ripster, do you have sandy bridge?

see this

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/02/02/1929238/Asus-Gigabyte-To-Replace-All-Sandy-Bridge-Boards

[bigpook]

I suppose you did : ) Just a heads up buddy. Cheers!

[ch_123]

Windows Home Server? People buy that thing?

[bigpook]

Windows Home Server? People buy that thing?

Sounds like a machine with training wheels...


Look Dad, I have a windows home server!!!!

Dad looks to mom and says " Don't worry dear, its a server for the home. Those training wheels will never come off".

[ch_123]

Sounds like a cure for all that ails you.

[hfcobra]

SSD's are great! and i believe that any of the netbook laptops already come with SSD because they use less power and the netbook needs any boost in speed it can get  

So yes, atom CPUs do benefit, all CPUs should benefit from one so long as it isnt over 5 years old or something.  The HDD is the slowest part of your computer so upgrading that is one of the best things to do!

I love SSDs too btw  

[hfcobra]

OK, I'm going with your recommendation.  That and because MW doesn't like it.

And it's Biggus ****us

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:biggrin1:   best cooler EVER, i have 2x 140mm fans on mine for the extra cooling and the quieter sound   :)

[ch_123]

That and because MW doesn't like it.

Come to think of it, this is a pretty reliable heuristic for picking hardware.

[instantkamera]

So how is it in the benchies?

Care to share with us some numerical data pertaining to the performance of this personal computer? A result set from the suite entitled "GeekBench" would be desirable as that software is most familiar to those who frequent this online forum.

 

Sorry I don't feel like digging through pages of crap, care to sum up the part list?

Apologies are due in advance of the following query, due to the fact that I could attempt to obtain the desired information myself, but choose to forgo the somewhat laborious task of reviewing the numerous preceding entries in this discussion.
Would you be so kind as to summarize the various components which comprise your newly constructed computational device?

Curious about RAM, no trip chan it looks like ?

I am particularly interested with the details of your Random-Access Memory as it appears, from the supplied photographic rendering,  that you have not configured your system in the manor that is currently regarded as "standard". It is customary that the aforementioned memory be represented by three modules (or a multiple thereof), giving rise to the moniker "Triple channel".

[Phaedrus2129]

Can you translate what instantkamera just said??

I'll do my best.

So how is it in the benchies? Sorry I don't feel like digging through pages of crap, care to sum up the part list? Curious about RAM, no trip chan it looks like ?

"How does it perform in benchmarks? Sorry I don't know how to hit the "first page" button. Care to repeat what you said in the first post? Curious about your RAM, you didn't decide to go with triple channel memory?"

[Phaedrus2129]

It is customary that the aforementioned memory be represented by three modules (or a multiple thereof), giving rise to the moniker "Triple channel".

That's incorrect, actually. The tech came first and allowed people to use it in triple channel configuration.

1155 doesn't support triple channel RAM, it's dual channel only. Triple channel is only for servers and people who like to enhance their epeen.

[ch_123]

That's nothing. A guy I know was helping another guy pick parts for a computer build. I spent a worryingly long amount of time explaining to the former that DDR3 was not inherently triple channel...

Why do people who know absolutely nothing about computers pretend to do so?

[chimera15]

It's a lot like gun fighting.  There's always going to be someone who knows more about computers.  I'm sure there's someone out there that thinks you're a dolt because you didn't know some esoteric fact too.  Triple channel is relatively new, not everyone knows everything about it.

[J888www]

.......I'm now a SSD convert.

I cannot vouch for the quality of this OCZ Revo SSD as the touting advert just arrived in my Inbox, it apparently Reads and Writes very fast, also it's PCI-E, I'm also unsure if it means doggies ball ball or kitties poo poo. I know nothing.

In regard to TIM, I recently purchased 3 syringes of the Shin-Etsu X23-7783D from the US of A as I could not find any retail carriers in the UK of not so GB. It is the latest stuff from Microsi and they say it is the second best TIM available on the market for heat transfer, the best is not very suitable as the application is basically pretty much permanent.
NB: Best to put the syringe into boiling hot water for a couple of minutes before application.

Edit: Just found out there is now a UK supplier.

[bigpook]

I have been using a OCZ-VERTEX (30G) as my boot drive for the past year or so. It is fast.
I ran some test with bonnie against a 3 drive raid 0. From what I can glean from the numbers the SSD was still faster.

I can't wait for higher capacity and lower prices. : )

[J888www]

I cannot understand why they did not produce PCI-E SSD sooner (higher bandwidth).
The bottleneck of SATA would only hinder the SSD, even 6GB SATA and NAND would only alleviate this issue to a certain extent so why not just all go PCI-E ?

Ahaa, silly me , keep forgetting the Gamers need their spaces for SLI or Crossfire, else their bananas aren't as curved as others.

[bytemeavaj]

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An Important Announcement regarding Intel(r) Series 6 Chipsets

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Intel has recently identified an issue with their 6 series chipsets,
which are used with all their 2nd generation Core processors
(code-named Sandy Bridge). This is a potentially serious issue, but it
should not affect your data, just your system's performance. Intel believes
that consumers can continue to use their systems with confidence, while
working with their computer manufacturer for a permanent solution.

However, some users may see degradation in the performance of SATA
devices attached to the system, whether internal or external (such as hard
drives and DVD drives). Intel is not aware of any end-user who has seen this
issue yet, but they expect it to affect a significant percentage of users
eventually, and to worsen over a three year period.

[instantkamera]

Sorry I don't know how to hit the "first page" button. Care to repeat what you said in the first post?

Sorry, just thought that, with a page count in the double digits, there might have been some revision to the originally proposed specs. I haven't been following that closely.

That's incorrect, actually. The tech came first and allowed people to use it in triple channel configuration.

Im repeating this aloud to myself, but I dont get it:

"The tech came first and allow..."

well you can read, and Im sure you had a point to make there,  but that sentence is highly unclear.

1155 doesn't support triple channel RAM, it's dual channel only. Triple channel is only for servers and people who like to enhance their epeen.

I did not know that. Im super unfamiliar with intel sockets, I feel like maybe they have too many on the go at one time, but that could be just me.

I can assure you though, from my shopping endeavours (especially those regarding RAM selection), that triple channel is not "just for servers", and while it MAY be for "people who like to enhance their epeen", Im pretty sure those numbers are greater than you are making out.

Triple channel kits abound on NCIX/newEgg/etc and I even know a few people with TC configurations, and they aren't even people with epeens at all (maybe they have evags?).

Anyway, I just figured that was the new thing ...

[instantkamera]

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An Important Announcement regarding Intel(r) Series 6 Chipsets

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Intel has recently identified an issue with their 6 series chipsets,
which are used with all their 2nd generation Core processors
(code-named Sandy Bridge). This is a potentially serious issue, but it
should not affect your data, just your system's performance. Intel believes
that consumers can continue to use their systems with confidence, while
working with their computer manufacturer for a permanent solution.

However, some users may see degradation in the performance of SATA
devices attached to the system, whether internal or external (such as hard
drives and DVD drives). Intel is not aware of any end-user who has seen this
issue yet, but they expect it to affect a significant percentage of users
eventually, and to worsen over a three year period.

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An Important Announcement to the 18th person to mention this

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We know.

[microsoft windows]

Good thing I don't have to worry about it. Isn't it nice  having a good computer you can count on?

[bytemeavaj]

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An Important Announcement to the 18th person to mention this

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We know.

Just for good measure,

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An Important Announcement regarding Intel(r) Series 6 Chipsets

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Intel has recently identified an issue with their 6 series chipsets,
which are used with all their 2nd generation Core processors
(code-named Sandy Bridge). This is a potentially serious issue, but it
should not affect your data, just your system's performance. Intel believes
that consumers can continue to use their systems with confidence, while
working with their computer manufacturer for a permanent solution.

However, some users may see degradation in the performance of SATA
devices attached to the system, whether internal or external (such as hard
drives and DVD drives). Intel is not aware of any end-user who has seen this
issue yet, but they expect it to affect a significant percentage of users
eventually, and to worsen over a three year period.

[instantkamera]

Just for good measure,

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

An Important Announcement regarding Intel(r) Series 6 Chipsets

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Intel has recently identified an issue with their 6 series chipsets,
which are used with all their 2nd generation Core processors
(code-named Sandy Bridge). This is a potentially serious issue, but it
should not affect your data, just your system's performance. Intel believes
that consumers can continue to use their systems with confidence, while
working with their computer manufacturer for a permanent solution.

However, some users may see degradation in the performance of SATA
devices attached to the system, whether internal or external (such as hard
drives and DVD drives). Intel is not aware of any end-user who has seen this
issue yet, but they expect it to affect a significant percentage of users
eventually, and to worsen over a three year period.

That's news to me.

[instantkamera]

Good thing I don't have to worry about it. Isn't it nice  having a good computer you can count on?

Even with the degradation, this will out perform all your computers combined. So no, it sucks to have a ton of ****ty old computers with crappy software loaded on them.

[hfcobra]

a lot of people i know think DDR3 is triple channel too, i dont know why.  DDR3 is just faster RAM and triple channel really depends on what kind of cpu you get.  If you get a P67 or P55 you get dual-channel, if you get an i7 or the new Ivy Bridge when it comes out later this year, you will get triple-channel.  The performance difference is so small it isnt even worth mentioning between dual and triple channel.

[Phaedrus2129]

Triple channel DDR3 is only popular because most people think that LGA1366 requires it or something; which is false. Intel X58 (LGA1366) is just the only consumer platform that supports triple channel DDR3.

Most AMD AM2+ and AM3 platforms, and Intel X48, P55, H55, H57, and P67 all support dual channel DDR3 and cannot run in triple channel.

[chimera15]

Yup.  I only got 2 sockets populated right now in my 1366 build.

[hfcobra]

i know, but if you can then why not?  RAM is not expensive and you might as well et something a little bit better to say you have triple channel, if you are going for a high quality build anyways then i think that you should be at least looking at the triple channel option.    

It doesnt really offer much more speed, but it does offer a little.  That was enough for me to spend a little extra for some  

[audioave10]

I have heard that top-of-the-line Socket 2011 Motherboards may also include the ability to support quad-channel RAM. The Ivy Bridge chips that we will see late this year.

[chimera15]

If it's the same mobo, you might not have to.

[ch_123]

It's a lot like gun fighting.  There's always going to be someone who knows more about computers.  I'm sure there's someone out there that thinks you're a dolt because you didn't know some esoteric fact too.  Triple channel is relatively new, not everyone knows everything about it.

The problem comes when someone is about to spend 700 euros on a computer, and is blindly listening to you tell them to buy things that won't work together. Sure, not everyone is going to know everything, but it's nice to know 'obscure fact' about the most basic aspects of computer building, especially when you're building for someone else.

And DDR3 has been out for about four years now. Get with the program, bro.

[bigpook]

The problem comes when someone is about to spend 700 euros on a computer, and is blindly listening to you tell them to buy things that won't work together. Sure, not everyone is going to know everything, but it's nice to know 'obscure fact' about the most basic aspects of computer building, especially when you're building for someone else.

And DDR3 has been out for about four years now. Get with the program, bro.

As always, google is your friend. I haven't built a new box in a couple of years though.
My quad AMD w/ 8G of ram is working just fine, for now : )

Anyways, its not that hard to build a box from scratch.
Newegg is a great resource to use, at least for me. I like to start with the CPU and next would be the motherboard. You get all of the information you need about the motherboard right on the page so its kind of hard to go wrong.
You get the CPU socket information and the types of RAM it will support. Once that is known the rest is easy. Then it is a question of how many sata ports, ethernet ports etc I need.

Its actually kind of fun to put a machine together. With a little time and patience you can get exactly the machine you are looking for. All you have to do is read the information and decide.

[ch_123]

I should point out here that the person in question was providing advice to someone else. I built my first machine when I was about 14 or so.

[bigpook]

I should point out here that the person in question was providing advice to someone else.

The blind leading the blind?

[chimera15]

The problem comes when someone is about to spend 700 euros on a computer, and is blindly listening to you tell them to buy things that won't work together. Sure, not everyone is going to know everything, but it's nice to know 'obscure fact' about the most basic aspects of computer building, especially when you're building for someone else.

And DDR3 has been out for about four years now. Get with the program, bro.

I'm not defending the guy, obviously he's on the back curve of knowledge.  It's just a matter of your gloating that people who know nothing shouldn't act like they do.  The fact of the matter is that he probably did know more than the person he was helping, and you come along and are on the upper end of the curve and think he's an idiot, when it's just a matter of relativity.

I built my first system when I was 14 in 1987, and have built and repaired hundreds of machines of every generation so far, but there's a lot I still don't know about the latest and greatest.  There's a lot I've learned and forgotten too, especially about older machines that I'm not working with.  For me 4 years ago is recent.

Could I help someone build a 1366 system now, yes, without a doubt because I've done it now myself.  Could I make mistakes and not know something, yes very much so.  Should I not offer help to someone who's never built anything because I don't know every single fact related to newer systems?  I don't think so, especially if they're asking me.

I don't think it's been 4 years either, maybe news of it.  I believe it was late 2008, or early 2009 when they were first available.  That's only about 2 years.

[instantkamera]

Building a PC is like putting together lego, for the most part. While it IS nice to know about every single variation in parts, it's really not information that requires a Bachelors degree to know and understand- some googling is all it takes.

While I can appreciate that some people know and remember every last socket/ram/etc configuration and are hardcore into builds, I personally consider that a waste of time and mental resources. I built my AMD machine. It took me no time at all to select parts, and it's a great box so far.

I do agree though, if you DONT know, dont offer advice. Problem is, a lot of people THINK they know. Why is that? I think maybe it's just becoming more and more difficult for younger generation to know ... what they know, because they rely heavily on the internet for facts, but haven't learned the value in VERIFICATION of facts. One guy says something stupid and it's immediately imprinted in another persons head as fact. I dunno, could be off base there, but when I read OCN, that's what I think of. S/N ratio is retardedly bad there.

[bigpook]

Its not a crime not to know. Its just poor form to provide faulty advice.

For the record, I am no guru. I have gotten burned more than once over the years and have given advice that I thought was solid only to turn out wrong. Not often but sadly it has happened. Live and learn I guess.

[instantkamera]

That's OK.

I never listen to you guys anyway.

clearly. and I quote:

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An Important Announcement regarding Intel(r) Series 6 Chipsets

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Intel has recently identified an issue with their 6 series chipsets,
which are used with all their 2nd generation Core processors
(code-named Sandy Bridge). This is a potentially serious issue, but it
should not affect your data, just your system's performance. Intel believes
that consumers can continue to use their systems with confidence, while
working with their computer manufacturer for a permanent solution.

However, some users may see degradation in the performance of SATA
devices attached to the system, whether internal or external (such as hard
drives and DVD drives). Intel is not aware of any end-user who has seen this
issue yet, but they expect it to affect a significant percentage of users
eventually, and to worsen over a three year period.

[bigpook]

clearly. and I quote:

thank you for pointing that out : )