OK, PC Blew Up, Need Build Advice

[ch_123]

I don't think it's been 4 years either, maybe news of it.  I believe it was late 2008, or early 2009 when they were first available.  That's only about 2 years.

I did a search before I posted that, and it did come out in 2007. I remember LGA775 boards with DDR3 long before the Core i7 came out. Again, making sure you are right before making claims is always a good idea.

I'm not defending the guy, obviously he's on the back curve of knowledge. It's just a matter of your gloating that people who know nothing shouldn't act like they do. The fact of the matter is that he probably did know more than the person he was helping, and you come along and are on the upper end of the curve and think he's an idiot, when it's just a matter of relativity.

The issue here, if you bothered reading anything I said, was that it's all well and good until you start wasting people's money on stuff that doesn't work. A computer that doesn't turn on is not a 'matter of relativity'.

I do agree though, if you DONT know, dont offer advice. Problem is, a lot of people THINK they know. Why is that? I think maybe it's just becoming more and more difficult for younger generation to know ... what they know, because they rely heavily on the internet for facts, but haven't learned the value in VERIFICATION of facts. One guy says something stupid and it's immediately imprinted in another persons head as fact. I dunno, could be off base there, but when I read OCN, that's what I think of. S/N ratio is retardedly bad there.

The problem is the ability to know when you don't know something, which is something you learn from experience, usually bad ones. When recommending something, I'll usually do a quick look around the internet to make sure I know what I'm on about, unless I've done the thing before myself.

[instantkamera]

I mean, is it that difficult to check?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM#Market_penetration

[instantkamera]

GOOD Lego builds require creativity.  Something you seem to lack.

I'd insult you back, but I can't think of anything to say ...

[instantkamera]

You could post this again.

Im pretty unoriginal, so do you mind if I quote you?

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An Important Announcement regarding Intel(r) Series 6 Chipsets

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Intel has recently identified an issue with their 6 series chipsets,
which are used with all their 2nd generation Core processors
(code-named Sandy Bridge). This is a potentially serious issue, but it
should not affect your data, just your system's performance. Intel believes
that consumers can continue to use their systems with confidence, while
working with their computer manufacturer for a permanent solution.

However, some users may see degradation in the performance of SATA
devices attached to the system, whether internal or external (such as hard
drives and DVD drives). Intel is not aware of any end-user who has seen this
issue yet, but they expect it to affect a significant percentage of users
eventually, and to worsen over a three year period.

[instantkamera]

You are right about the creative part though:

[chimera15]

I mean, is it that difficult to check?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM#Market_penetration

It actually is.   I did do a search for triple channel memory, and only got this.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-channel_architecture

Also I couldn't find any launch dates on actual ddr3 memory earlier than late 2009.

[keyboardlover]

DDR3 + SSD = crazy delicious.

[Phaedrus2129]

Cases. The CM 690 II is far superior to the original, and is a very good case and a good value.

[NAVIWORLDINC]

Cases. The CM 690 II is far superior to the original, and is a very good case and a good value.

Lancool K62 is another great and fair option.

[instantkamera]

to recap:

I spent a worryingly long amount of time explaining to the former that DDR3 was not inherently triple channel...

And DDR3 has been out for about four years now. Get with the program, bro.

I don't think it's been 4 years either, maybe news of it.  I believe it was late 2008, or early 2009 when they were first available.  That's only about 2 years.

I mean, is it that difficult to check?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SD...et_penetration

It actually is.   I did do a search for triple channel memory, and only got this...

Why do people who know absolutely nothing about computers pretend to do so?

[godly_music]

Sweet looking case. Would be perfect if the holes were narrower, like a net. To stop the dust from being sucked in. It just collects neatly at the front of my case and can be wiped off.

[EverythingIBM]

Hmm... better take some measurements..

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Anybody have any other suggestions?

I just have a quick question about that mobo...
What's up with the six RAM slots? Wouldn't eight be more appropriate?
It reminds me of my computer with its three RAM slots. I've always preferred computers to have two or four (or even eight)... rather than three or six...

Sweet looking case. Would be perfect if the holes were narrower, like a net. To stop the dust from being sucked in. It just collects neatly at the front of my case and can be wiped off.

Smaller holes restrict air flow; you'd be surprised at how much.
I like the IBM "honeycomb" vents the best.

[chimera15]

to recap:

Please, even the article you pointed to stated that almost no one was using ddr3 till 2009.  Most companies weren't even producing ddr3 until 2009 either.   It's not like that was common information.   I know that ddr3 was incredibly pricey and not competitive with ddr2 until recently either, so it made no sense to build a ddr3 775 system unless you had a ton of money to spend for very little system performance increase.

As we've been discussing ddr3 isn't the same as triple channel either, and as stated just because a system accepts ddr3 doesn't mean it's triple channel necessarily.


I believe as ddr3 was used in graphics cards for many years, in a configuration that I doubt would be the same as triple channel.  

There are a ton of ddr3 775 boards, but are they triple channel?


 I'll clarify my original statement to say that use of triple channel is relatively recent if it'll make you happy.   My original statement didn't say if I was talking about ddr3, or triple channel.  In fact it was CH that tried to claim ddr3 is the same as triple channel, to discredit my statement, unfairly.  
They're two separate things.  The conversation CH had that I was commenting about him acting all superior for no reason was about triple channel function, not really ddr3.

Even 4 years is recent for ddr3, but the common use of triple channel and affordable ddr3 in system builds has been shorter than 2 years.

In fact as I believe has already been stated in this thread only 1366, have triple channel I believe?  Do 1156? Here's a guy that says that only i7 systems have triple channel as well, which would make my statement completely correct, and CH wrong on the very fact that he was complaining about and trying to explain to this dolt by bringing up ddr3 when the conversation really has nothing to do with it:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ram/19245-triple-channel-kits-lg775.html

The fact that you're just trying to defend CH's insulting others by insulting me just shows what kind of person you are as well Instant.

[instantkamera]

As we've been discussing ddr3 isn't the same as triple channel either, and as stated just because a system accepts ddr3 doesn't mean it's triple channel necessarily.

I KNOW. That was my point, but I guess you can't read. CH claimed that DDR3 was out in 2007, you claimed not to be able to find anything on the subject after doing a search for TRIPLE CHANNEL.


 

The fact that you're just trying to defend CH's insulting others by insulting me just shows what kind of person you are as well Instant.

Im defending two things, that DD3 is not the same as TC (which we all see to agree on now) and the fact that DDR3 was around in 2007, a fact I easily confirmed by NOT googling for TRIPLE CHANNEL.

[bigpook]

I am using a SSD drive (32G OCZ) as a system drive. I am running linux though.
One of the things I was reading about SSD was that you want to minimize the amount of writes. Something about SSD drives wearing out over time. The biggest culprit in linux is the /var/log folder. One solution, and the one that I am using is to make a ram disk for the log files.

Here is a section from my fstab file:
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,mode=1777,noatime,size=1024m 0 0
tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults,mode=1777,noatime,size=512m 0 0
tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,mode=0755,noatime,size=512m 0 0
tmpfs /mnt/fastdrive tmpfs defaults,noatime,size=500m 0 0


Seems to work fine, only down side is if the machine is bumped then the contents of the log files are lost and are recreated from scratch on boot up. It hasn't affected me yet in a negative way but if it did, I suppose I would put the var folder on my raid 0 to keep it persistant.

Anyways, I was wondering if this was even an issue with windows. Windows does create log files, right? And their is no swap partition, but a swap file?.
So there would be a fair amount of writes to the SSD, no?

Just curious as to how windows handles that.

[keyboardlover]

I believe the issue is no different with Windows. I have no idea which OS does more logging and thus more writes. However I was under the impression that it may not actually be such an "issue" as such in that it could take a very long time for that to actually happen (like if it takes 15 years then who cares?)

Well I guess MW would care

[chimera15]

Hey, you guys are supposed to be helping me!

Anyway, I linked to a most excellent SSD setup guide for Windows earlier in the thread.  But since you're an oldtimer here's a couple of more links:

1.  SSD WIN7 Setup Secrets
2. How to split tasks SSD Boot/HD Storage

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And in case you missed it Sandy Bridge has a SATA 3.0 problem so don't plug in your stuff into it or you may get....ZZZZOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGG GRADUAL PERFORMANCE DEGRADATION OVER THREEEEEEE YEEEEEARRSSSSS.

Monkey fight!

[bigpook]

There is just something about Sam Jackson and the word ****.  Its just awesome.


And yes, so sorry for not reading the entire thread but gee whiz, it is over 15 pages long now...

[bigpook]

Yeah, I do recall a seemingly endless stream of Sandy Bridge recall notices. : )

Nice links on the windows stuff. Thanks.

[microsoft windows]

The good thing about old computers is you don't have to  worry about  faulty components. By the time computers  get  to be  10 years old,  all the  faulty  ones die off.

[J888www]

I like Aluminum Lian Li's for ease of carting around and impeccable fit/finish.  

I used a Lian-Li A05NB (very good quality, but....) for my last build, now with regret as the Aluminium case have a tendency to drone with fan speed set to highish. Wished I bought a steel chasis like ie. Antec Solo, at least it does not require separate purchase of sound proofing material (was quite surprised by the cost of this material).

The only recommendation for cases is not to use Aluminium. Each to their own requirements so the size/make/model is relatively personal.

I too am thinking of another new build atm but not until everything is sorted, then I will wait a little more longer to see if the reports are positive, no point in rushing into a situation where the results will only be disappointment.

[ch_123]

In fact it was CH that tried to claim ddr3 is the same as triple channel

...

The conversation CH had that I was commenting about him acting all superior for no reason was about triple channel function, not really ddr3.

You know, I do feel superior to you by virtue of my ability to read English. I'll give you that much.

[microsoft windows]

Aluminum  is also  very soft. It's easier to  scratch  and  dent than  most  plastic. I'm  surprised people would make  computer  cases out of it.

[EverythingIBM]

Aluminum  is also  very soft. It's easier to  scratch  and  dent than  most  plastic. I'm  surprised people would make  computer  cases out of it.

Yeah, I prefer my steel IBM cases
Although I see what you mean when you say the plastic doesn't dent. But it can crack... or gets mushed if it's soft ABS.

[EverythingIBM]

The big advantage of Aluminum cases are how light they are.  Plus anodized aluminum is beautiful.

iPads for example are made of a single billet of machined aluminum.

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Magnesium rollcage is way better bub. Way stronger than aluminum.

And for a *desktop*, I'd rather have steel any day 'round.

I still find apple products ugly. I hate shiny silver stuff. Tacky.

Matte is the way to go.

[Pylon]

The stuff isn't shiny. Apple's aluminum is very, very matte.

As for magnesium alloy, I agree. The problem is with consumer perception. Aluminum feels like metal because it's very cold to the touch. People know it's metal. That's why a lot of consumer end notebooks plaster aluminum all over the chassis to give it a higher end feel without actually being that much stronger. Magnesium alloy on the other hand, especially when painted, feels all plasticy. I mean, I thought the magnesium parts on a Dell Latitude D620 were plastic. Ditto for some E6410 parts and an entire Inspiron that I thought was plastic until I broke the panels.

[Phaedrus2129]

Isn't magnesium extremely flammable? Like it gets hot enough to ignite thermite even.

[msiegel]

magnesium

that was quite interesting

[instantkamera]

Why don't you guys argue about the history of DDR3 by PM. The lulz potential is minimal. ANDDDDDDD......I'm not into Vintage anyway.

God forbid anyone pollute YOUR threads with retarded posts. I mean, you have never done that to anyone else, right?

[ch_123]

Isn't magnesium extremely flammable? Like it gets hot enough to ignite thermite even.

Let's just say that magnesium is flammable in the same way that aluminium is soft.

[Brian8bit]

That linoleum is a good idea. I like that. Much cheaper than branded foam sound deadening. And less smelly than the bitumen type they use in Fractals, I suppose.

[EverythingIBM]

Ripster I absolutely LOVE your cable tie idea to tie the fans on to the heatsinks by threading it through the fins.

GENIUS!

Where could I get twisty cables like that?

[microsoft windows]

You can get them real cheap at just about any hardware store.

[instantkamera]

I recommend keeping a razor blade hidden in your anus.

Funny, that's where I keep my Razer BlackWidow. I had to switch to a standing desk though ...

[hfcobra]

god i love my D14      I will buy noctuas stuff for a long time if they can ever top this baby!   My 4.2 will never pass 70C, even under the Intel Burn Test my CPU does not go over 68C which is just amazing!

I am glad you like it ripster!

[keyboardlover]

That's why I'm lazy and let Lenovo build mine =)

[chimera15]

Nice lighting.

[ch_123]

How the BIOS has managed to last this long is really beyond me. Same with the whole x86 PC architecture in general.

[J888www]

The AsRock mobo have the latest Drivers and latest version of BIOS  flashed ?

[itlnstln]

That would take longer than just flipping the DIP switch.  Efficiency for the win.

[ch_123]

DIP switches don't fry when you accidentally download the US firmware instead of the UK one...

[microsoft windows]

The nice thing about my rubber dome keyboards from the 1990's is that I don't have to worry about firmware. They're nice, reliable, and durable.

[instantkamera]

Rip, those aren't bad numbers from you stock sandy.

[slueth]

Ripster did you get that ssd?  If so you should google ssd optimization.

Also utilize the ramdisk section.  There are ramdisk programs that will let you use your ram as a hard drive.  In linux they have a dynamic version where it changes according to use.

The ram disk will act like a super fast hard drive and you can point programs to it and then have it autosave or save before you shutdown the computer as an image.

[instantkamera]

I use tmpfs and not a ramdisk, it can swap if it needs to. I have swap on a spinning disk.

Also, Im pretty sure Rip has already optimized for SSD...

[chimera15]

I learned it's important to update the firmware if there are any updates as well recently.  Lots of times the manufacturers tweak the leveling and other problems drives might encounter.

Patriot ssds for instance from a year or so ago are extremely prone to failing because the firmware they shipped with was inefficient.  You have to wipe the drive to do it unfortunately, so best to do it as soon as you get it.

[typo]

my! what a big heatsink you have. lol.

i'd be hard pressed to go 1366 or get a 12 core opteron. the opteron will smoke the i7......but of course the 12 core xeon will smoke the opteron. money not withstanding.

[Hak Foo]

AssRocks Rocks Ass!

My Quad 6700 system is now up and running.  This is good news since the memory and CPU survived the motherboard getting fried.

Unfortunately there is no way a $60 AsRocks can get this up to 3.6 but I may just stick it at 3.4 and be happy.

I loved my old Asrock board - a 939SLI32-eSATA2.  It had a bizarre chipset which had two real x16 slots, and four SATA ports in a day when two was common, but no SLI support because nVidia stuck their heads up their rear ends until the X58 boards came out, by which time I had shorted and killed the board by accident, and installed a Phenom instead.

[dracaXL]

Nice build, I have a very similar set-up, except in an NZXT Phantom (White) case and a GTX 580.

[hfcobra]

my! what a big heatsink you have. lol.

i'd be hard pressed to go 1366 or get a 12 core opteron. the opteron will smoke the i7......but of course the 12 core xeon will smoke the opteron. money not withstanding.

why would you need a server CPU like that anyways?  That much power would be wasted on a home desktop I would think...

Unless you are buying one for a server of course, then dont mind this comment!