OK, PC Blew Up, Need Build Advice

[TexasFlood]

Hmm...rack mounts.

Pack 'em in there!


Just need a little cash...

[keyboardlover]

Sounds abut as fun as sandy bathing trunks.

[godly_music]

A lot of SSDs come with extra 3.5" mounts.

Since this is the hardware advice thread.. I'm looking for a cheap and sturdy USB flash drive with 4-16 GB. Already decided against OCZ because they recently switched their old controllers against slower ones. 15mb/s write and 30mb/s read is the ideal here, but it shouldn't be pricey.

[EverythingIBM]

Pack 'em in there!

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Just need a little cash...

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Nah, I think Ripster should get an X Series tower:

It's only 80 pounds, so, much lighter than a rack.

[TexasFlood]

Nah, I think Ripster should get an X Series tower.  It's only 80 pounds, so, much lighter than a rack.

True, a rack is heavy, but cool, :wink:.  The server itself is about the same weight and the 3755M3 offers 4 times as many processors max.  Don't HAVE to have a rack, just throw it on a table.  Won't let you do that in most data centers, but basements space planners tend to be much more relaxed about such things...

Throw it on a table...


Fabricate your own mini rack...


Or your own maxirack...

[Brian8bit]

Or your own maxirack...

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Sure that isn't MW basement?

[TexasFlood]

Sure that isn't MW basement?

You know I was thinking the same thing, :wink:.

[TexasFlood]

I can assure that wooden racks with vintage PCs is not my computing goal.

I wasn't really serious about that one, although I thought the mini network rack was kinda cool.

[TexasFlood]

I can assure that wooden racks with vintage PCs is not my computing goal.

I wasn't really serious about that one, although I thought the mini network rack was kinda cool.  I got curious so went and looked up what it was.  I figured it was fabricated but not.  It's described as someones BCMSN study lab consisting of an 1841 Router, 2960 Switch, two Dell L3 Switches in an 8U musician's desk top rack from cpc.co.uk.  Never seen anything like that before but now I want one, at least one, :wink:.

[EverythingIBM]

Sure that isn't MW basement?

I wasn't really serious about that one, although I thought the mini network rack was kinda cool.  I got curious so went and looked up what it was.  I figured it was fabricated but not.  It's described as someones BCMSN study lab consisting of an 1841 Router, 2960 Switch, two Dell L3 Switches in an 8U musician's desk top rack from cpc.co.uk.  Never seen anything like that before but now I want one, at least one, :wink:.

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Forget about the router crap, I just want the thinkpad and synth rack... could put some cool synths in there.

[TexasFlood]

Forget about the router crap, I just want the thinkpad and synth rack... could put some cool synths in there.

Oh, right, I didn't want the routers, I wanted the rack, and I'll always take a thinkpad.

[EverythingIBM]

You guys are sure getting excited about $10 worth of cheap steel tubing.

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I would actually like a desk synth rack... I haven't been able to find any locally.. HECK, one of the "music" stores I went to didn't even have any MIDI cables... lol.
I got some from The Source instead... they have a lot of cool stuff and audio adapters.

[EverythingIBM]

That's nice.

anyways, you need to buy this:


It even has a lavender button on the side. Can you say cool?

Unlike a PC, you won't have to worry about this thinking blowing up. It'll keep on running.

[keyboardlover]

Making love on the beach is highly overrated.

ow.  Ow.  OWWWW!

Same goes for in the snow. Getting a nice pile of "Canadian sand" in your underwear is NOT very fun.

[instantkamera]

you should have went for the 980X man, it's the proc all the cool kids are talking about!

[chimera15]

Man I heard about Intel recalling chips on the news.  You ordered one of the defective ones??  You don't have any luck do you? lol

[instantkamera]

FYI, the CPU is fine, it's the chipset. Like rip said, he can get all the **** and do the build now, RMA the board later.

[chimera15]

You shouldn't listen to the news without understanding the details.

I just had it on in the background while I was playing Korean warrock.

[Brian8bit]

Voltage death. Chipset degradation. Socket burn. Jesus Christ. It's not been a good start for Sandy Bridge. That said socket burn was a problem on Nehalem early on as well.

[microsoft windows]

My computers  never  blow up. One  of  them's  been  turned on for  over a year and  still  runs  great.

[Brian8bit]

Any reason Dirk stepped down/was fired?  I like to think the board walked into his office and he had all their spouses lined up bent over his desk naked and was snorting coke off their arses.

[Phaedrus2129]

Any reason Dirk stepped down/was fired?  I like to think the board walked into his office and he had all their spouses lined up bent over his desk naked and was snorting coke off their arses.

Concerns over his not taking advantage of the huge spike in demand for tablets and smartphones and, more specifically, not making chips to go in said devices.

They're getting closer though, 5W dual core Fusion chips are available now. Pair it down to single core and put it on a 28nm node and you've got yourself the ultimate smartphone CPU.

[Brian8bit]

Concerns over his not taking advantage of the huge spike in demand for tablets and smartphones and, more specifically, not making chips to go in said devices.

They're getting closer though, 5W dual core Fusion chips are available now. Pair it down to single core and put it on a 28nm node and you've got yourself the ultimate smartphone CPU.

At the time Intel Atom was taking off, weren't AMD still fighting in court with them about Intel's kick back scheme? Or was that done by then? AMD didn't really have anything to counter Atom at the time. I remember jumping on Intel Atom boards when they first hit the market and going mini-itx crazy. Still have two systems lying about somewhere. The novelty factor wore off quickly when you realise that single core Atoms are **** for just about anything bar powering a router. I think my next mini-itx board will either be something with the Intel D525 or AMD E-350. All comes down to cost and if it'll come with enough SATA connections for a Chenbro ES34069 server case.

[TexasFlood]

I thought the mini network rack was kinda cool.  I got curious so went and looked up what it was.  I figured it was fabricated but not.  It's described as an 8U musician's desk top rack from cpc.co.uk.  Never seen anything like that before but now I want one, at least one, :wink:.

Forget about the router crap, I just want the thinkpad and synth rack... could put some cool synths in there.

Oh, right, I didn't want the routers, I wanted the rack, and I'll always take a thinkpad.

You guys are sure getting excited about $10 worth of cheap steel tubing.

I would actually like a desk synth rack... I haven't been able to find any locally..

Well.  I've been thinking about a full size rack but didn't seem like it was going to work out (read my wife won't let me, hah).  But these smaller racks might work for me while staying under the wifes radar.  Might look around for something used or perhaps fabricating my own out of angle iron.  It's just that I had given up in defeat but now feel like I have some new options.

[Phaedrus2129]

At the time Intel Atom was taking off, weren't AMD still fighting in court with them about Intel's kick back scheme? Or was that done by then? AMD didn't really have anything to counter Atom at the time. I remember jumping on Intel Atom boards when they first hit the market and going mini-itx crazy. Still have two systems lying about somewhere. The novelty factor wore off quickly when you realise that single core Atoms are **** for just about anything bar powering a router. I think my next mini-itx board will either be something with the Intel D525 or AMD E-350. All comes down to cost and if it'll come with enough SATA connections for a Chenbro ES34069 server case.

I really dislike Atom. The bastard offspring of 80386 and Pentium M. Putting it on a smaller node and giving it power gating doesn't make up for the fact that it's outperformed by a Pentium 3.

[instantkamera]

Well.  I've been thinking about a full size rack but didn't seem like it was going to work out (read my wife won't let me, hah).  But these smaller racks might work for me while staying under the wifes radar.  Might look around for something used or perhaps fabricating my own out of angle iron.  It's just that I had given up in defeat but now feel like I have some new options.

ask your wife if she is sure she knows who she married, you are a nerd, durrr.
Then tell her "tough ****" and buy one anyway, the biggest rack you can find. Then, since she gave you trouble ... Look... Im sure you are a reasonable guy. You were going to get a rack, stick it in the basement, maybe a seldom-used closet, the spare room, whatever.
BUT, since she gave you ****, you gotta get this big-ass rack, right, and bolt that mother ****er to the living room floor. It's the only way.
A man has to set boundries.

Anyway, I gotta go, my lawyer has some paperwork for me to sign(??)

[Brian8bit]

One of the guys on OCuK was building a new house and stuck a rack under his stairs.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17932308&postcount=260

[Ekaros]

Don't get P67? Atleast for now...

[Brian8bit]

People on OCuk look older than 13.  Like real adults with houses and everything.

It's still quite immature or it might just be me. For example I'm currently on my fifth suspension for insulting people. Two week stretch this one that expires on the fifth. I've got to stop telling people their keyboards are **** apparently. Oh and claiming that the mods don't like me telling people their keyboards are **** incase people shop elsewhere. And the whole avatar theme is "gangsters". So the only avatars available are gangsters from mob films. Certain avatars are reserved for admins and mods, known as the dons and underbosses. And the owner has a Don Corleone avatar. That's pretty immature.

[Brian8bit]

The technical forums are great. Lots of good information and plenty of helpful people. In that respect I actually prefer searching out technical information there than on OCN. Plus OCN has the worst layout ever. The OCUK general discussion board is dildos mostly and speakers corner is full of pseudo intellectual ****wits who get moist at the sound of their own voice. I think when my ban expires I'll just avoid GD in future as I'm sure they're itching to ban me for something. So I'll just go be helpful. And avoid keyboard threads.

[Brian8bit]

Go AMD, while technically not helpful, wasn't bad advice all things considered with the Sandy Bridge news in the past week or so.

[Brian8bit]

No love

[instantkamera]

No love

Dont take it personally, this is a guy who has ~27000 posts of not helping under his belt.

[TexasFlood]

You'll get over it.  It's the internet.

I'm looking at my porch from this PC and don't see the UPS girl yet.

How did the photographer know I like Parts Express too?

Here's what you should be looking for...
(obligatory response to any post with a shipping reference)

[instantkamera]

Here's what you should be looking for...
(obligatory response to any post with a shipping reference)

That OK, he's buying broken **** anyway, that's likely to help in the long-run

[TexasFlood]

That OK, he's buying broken **** anyway, that's likely to help in the long-run

Ripster, pay close attention to the dog when the shipping guy leaves.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Voltage death. Chipset degradation. Socket burn. Jesus Christ. It's not been a good start for Sandy Bridge. That said socket burn was a problem on Nehalem early on as well.

It was one motherboard. Socket burn was only an issue with 1156 foxconn brackets. I haven't been hearing about this "voltage death" either, unless we are talking about clarksdale.

The chipset degradation is a pretty serious but as long as you stick to the SATA 6gbs ports or use a third party controller you won't be affected.

[EverythingIBM]

I really dislike Atom. The bastard offspring of 80386 and Pentium M. Putting it on a smaller node and giving it power gating doesn't make up for the fact that it's outperformed by a Pentium 3.

Ooooh some Atom bashing!

Yeah, that thing is slow. My Pentium 4 runs faster.

But like Bhtooefr said, at least it'll force developers to write more efficient code so it'll run at a normal speed on an Atom.

[Ekaros]

It was one motherboard. Socket burn was only an issue with 1156 foxconn brackets. I haven't been hearing about this "voltage death" either, unless we are talking about clarksdale.

The chipset degradation is a pretty serious but as long as you stick to the SATA 6gbs ports or use a third party controller you won't be affected.

What if you have 6 devices?

[Phaedrus2129]

I have five devices.
(SSD, two HDDs, DVD drive, and eSATA)

[TexasFlood]

Ripster, pay close attention to the dog when the shipping guy leaves.

Waiting to see if Ripster has Ace Ventura Lego...

[BababooeyHTJ]

What if you have 6 devices?

I run four now. I never said that I would be happy about it. :tongue:

[Brian8bit]

It was one motherboard. Socket burn was only an issue with 1156 foxconn brackets. I haven't been hearing about this "voltage death" either, unless we are talking about clarksdale.

The chipset degradation is a pretty serious but as long as you stick to the SATA 6gbs ports or use a third party controller you won't be affected.

Voltage death is in reference to people pumping the upper limits of what a 65nm fabricated chip can take, through a 32nm fabricated chip. Which was already discussed in this thread. But here's the link again;

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18227651

And it's not just a problem regarding voltage with Sandy Bridge. Talking to guys on IRC and they remember people *****ing because they killed Yorkfield and Wolfdale chips where the recommended limit was around 1.4v but people were pumping 1.6v through them like they were Conroes.

[instantkamera]

You have 8 wiki corrections of which I think I had to correct half.

Someone has to keep you on your toes.

Ooooh some Atom bashing!

Yeah, that thing is slow. My Pentium 4 runs faster.

But like Bhtooefr said, at least it'll force developers to write more efficient code so it'll run at a normal speed on an Atom.

Atom is almost useless as a general purpose CPU, which is how it is being used. Unfortunately, developers are doing no such thing, forcing the CPU makers hand. And winning, hence the "dual core" and nvidia ion ****.

Some people run slow no matter what processor they are on.

ya, so did you get the stuff or what?

[BababooeyHTJ]

Voltage death is in reference to people pumping the upper limits of what a 65nm fabricated chip can take, through a 32nm fabricated chip. Which was already discussed in this thread. But here's the link again;

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18227651

And it's not just a problem regarding voltage with Sandy Bridge. Talking to guys on IRC and they remember people *****ing because they killed Yorkfield and Wolfdale chips where the recommended limit was around 1.4v but people were pumping 1.6v through them like they were Conroes.

Thanks for the link. I apparently haven't been too up to date on overclocking on sandy. To be honest after all of the reports of random death or degradation on Clarksdale I'm not too surprised.

[godly_music]

I like to keep CPU at stock speeds and undervolt. Generates substantially less heat, saves power, and doesn't damage the CPU in any way or shorten its life expectancy. The computer will crash if you try to make the CPU run on too little, but 0.1-0.15 V below stock is usually safe. And it still performs just as good as stock.

[Phaedrus2129]

I'm overclocked by 25% and undervolted by .09V.

[Pylon]

For the extra SATA stuff, why not just get a PCI-E SATA controller card?

[EverythingIBM]

Lol.  You guys should read the thread for my plan.  Plus, I ghost my drives frequently and keep a spare in the bank safety box.  Luckily none of my drives were affected by the PC blowing up.

BTW - it's all here!  Wasn't home but my wife said it looked like this guy.

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I'm pretty sure this is what your wife saw:


UPS has to cut back on their employee wages.

[NAVIWORLDINC]

Lol.  You guys should read the thread for my plan.  Plus, I ghost my drives frequently and keep a spare in the bank safety box.  Luckily none of my drives were affected by the PC blowing up.

BTW - it's all here!  Wasn't home but my wife said it looked like this guy.

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From what I hear, as long as you keep your drives in the SATA 6GB/s, you should be fine, only the 3GB/s were effected. For added security, you could always get a sweet raid/sata expansion card. Sorry I did not comment sooner, my life has been busy as normal.

Protip: I am probably missing about 1/3rd of this thread as I have only read pages 1-5... So if I am being redundant as another poster I preemptively apologize.