[IC/brainstorming] phantom kits run 2

[TheProfosist]

Neat, there's 2 different 7bit layour images here:  http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/phantom-custom-keyboard-group-buy-closed-t1411.html   one is iso left shift the other isn't.

According to the plate images, 7bit's is wonky/reverse iso

yes that is the case and i though it was wonky as well and am happy with iso style. i am not however really getting used to having 4 spacebars. so if its possible to make the plate have just one big standard one with a plate modification i might go through the trouble of that. Im thinking standard ansi 1.25 mods first row.

[swe3tdave]

I don't know much about copyright technicalities =) But I think that stuff you make you kind of automatically achieve some sort of copyright over. The phantom plates are free for anyone to use though, and they are included in my attachment four posts up =D

It almost sounds like you never heard of Open source?   


Sure i'm in for the group buy if there is another one, i might even buy more than one, but i always like to have the option to have one made with a few modification of my own if the need comes...

[bpiphany]

Well as I said I don't really know much about it. But I think I am still technically the copyright holder. I just say that anyone is allowed to do whatever they want with it. I don't have the time or interest in reading up on different open source licenses...

[swe3tdave]

yeah thats fine, anyway i was just fussing a little about it...  But yes, whatever you do, you're still the copyright holder.

[swe3tdave]

This is the layout i made for a steampunk keyboard i want to build. I was looking to do something like this: http://www.rampkins.com/buccaneer_steampunk_kb_buildlog.html

The Fn key i added is for programmable shortcut and adding things like play, stop, etc... Will it be possible to do this with the phantom rev 2?

[TheProfosist]

This is the layout i made for a steampunk keyboard i want to build. I was looking to do something like this: http://www.rampkins.com/buccaneer_steampunk_kb_buildlog.html

The Fn key i added is for programmable shortcut and adding things like play, stop, etc... Will it be possible to do this with the phantom rev 2?

layers are already working on the original phantom and media keys are probably soon to come as they are available on other keyboards that use the teensy.

[The_Beast]

The lazer guy got back to me $25.00 for whatever plate jdcarpe sent me first and he would be using .063” 5052-h32 aluminum.

I'll be asking him about finding .060" material and if he really can maintain +/- .002" since he doesn't say it outright. Any other questions?


I can't find the other thread talking about plates, UH60 or something like that.

[alaricljs]

Typically you can only get steel in .060  (That's 16 ga).

[bpiphany]

Would anyone be interested in a "Teensy" compatible (ATmega32u4) daughter controller board for their Filco tenkeyless?

[jdcarpe]

I would be interested in 3 or 4 of them.

[jdcarpe]

bpiphany, would you be willing to help us make a Phantom Mini (60%) board? My GH60 keyboard thread basically turned into people wanting the Phantom PCB and plates, but cut down to 60% size. Controller would likely be ATMega32U4 based integrated onto the PCB (SMD) and mouting holes to fit a Poker case need to be included.

If so, maybe we could run both the Phantom Round 2 GB and the 60% GB at the same time.

[alaricljs]

I'd get 2

[alaricljs]

No more combining GBs.  It wreaks havok all around.

ed: ate breakfast, came back fixed typo

[jdcarpe]

Haha, okay.

[bpiphany]

That shouldn't be too hard to do either.  The nice thing with a tenkeyless (and fullsize) is the space between the number and function row. There it is simple to squeeze in whatever components needed. It is far from impossible to manage it anyway, only a little bit trickier in placing everything smarter =)

Edit: Ok, perhaps I should open a new thread on the replacement controller at least...

[The_Beast]

I'd be in for a TKL or a 60%

[TheProfosist]

I'd be in for a TKL or a 60%

same im just having fun building these things!!!

[__red__]

The lazer guy got back to me $25.00 for whatever plate jdcarpe sent me first and he would be using .063” 5052-h32 aluminum.

That's a great price.  Contact details or is this favourville?

[damorgue]

The lazer guy got back to me $25.00 for whatever plate jdcarpe sent me first and he would be using .063” 5052-h32 aluminum.

What number of plates was that quote for?

[The_Beast]

One


Any question you want me to ask him tell me now. (I'm sure we'll get price breaks for ordering more, I was going to ask )

[jdcarpe]

That is a great price. Do you know of somewhere local to you to have it anodized?

[The_Beast]

That is a great price. Do you know of somewhere local to you to have it anodized?

Yes but there is a $500 setup charge and they have to weld on hooks. But maybe the hooks just for the 120 lbs, 25' aluminum bars we send them. I'm not 100% sure on the hooks or the pricing since most of that is done by a purchasing guy where I work, I just engineer it

[jcrouse]

If you're getting quotes for plates, send an RFQ to www.ohiolaser.com. For the ANSI phantom plate (87 TKL) they quoted me the following prices out of 1/16" cold rolled steel. I realize you may change material but give them a try.

Qty 1: $119.66 each
Qty 50: $10.22 each
Qty 100: $9.11 each


*** disclaimer *** I have no affiliation what-so-ever with these people. I just found them with Google.

[damorgue]

That one is cheaper than my source for large number of stainless steel plates but more expensive than mine in smaller numbers. Mine were on the other hand 1.5mm thick and will probably not have to be sanded down a bit in thickness for a good fit. I think the perfect thickness was 1.5mm, right?

[The_Beast]

That one is cheaper than my source for large number of stainless steel plates but more expensive than mine in smaller numbers. Mine were on the other hand 1.5mm thick and will probably not have to be sanded down a bit in thickness for a good fit. I think the perfect thickness was 1.5mm, right?

.060" because metric sucks






(jk I like metric more)

[jcrouse]

FYI ...

1/16 = .0625
16ga = .0598

There are a few ways to measure "sheet metal"

[TheProfosist]

That one is cheaper than my source for large number of stainless steel plates but more expensive than mine in smaller numbers. Mine were on the other hand 1.5mm thick and will probably not have to be sanded down a bit in thickness for a good fit. I think the perfect thickness was 1.5mm, right?

.060" because metric sucks






(jk I like metric more)

I might be getting some custom ones at a local place but back when i got the quote it was 62$ a plate for 4 plates. I will just be ordering 2 now as that is all i need. Also I will probably be selling 2 of my 7bit modified plates if anyone is interested.

[The_Beast]

That one is cheaper than my source for large number of stainless steel plates but more expensive than mine in smaller numbers. Mine were on the other hand 1.5mm thick and will probably not have to be sanded down a bit in thickness for a good fit. I think the perfect thickness was 1.5mm, right?

.060" because metric sucks






(jk I like metric more)

I might be getting some custom ones at a local place but back when i got the quote it was 62$ a plate for 4 plates. I will just be ordering 2 now as that is all i need. Also I will probably be selling 2 of my 7bit modified plates if anyone is interested.

That's a lot compared to my place.

[damorgue]

That one is cheaper than my source for large number of stainless steel plates but more expensive than mine in smaller numbers. Mine were on the other hand 1.5mm thick and will probably not have to be sanded down a bit in thickness for a good fit. I think the perfect thickness was 1.5mm, right?

.060" because metric sucks






(jk I like metric more)

I might be getting some custom ones at a local place but back when i got the quote it was 62$ a plate for 4 plates. I will just be ordering 2 now as that is all i need. Also I will probably be selling 2 of my 7bit modified plates if anyone is interested.

That's a lot compared to my place.

I though yours were aluminium?

We need to make a list of places where we ask quotes, and also mention which material and what size was aksed about (60%, TKL or Full) as well as the number of plates.

[The_Beast]

That one is cheaper than my source for large number of stainless steel plates but more expensive than mine in smaller numbers. Mine were on the other hand 1.5mm thick and will probably not have to be sanded down a bit in thickness for a good fit. I think the perfect thickness was 1.5mm, right?

.060" because metric sucks






(jk I like metric more)

I might be getting some custom ones at a local place but back when i got the quote it was 62$ a plate for 4 plates. I will just be ordering 2 now as that is all i need. Also I will probably be selling 2 of my 7bit modified plates if anyone is interested.

That's a lot compared to my place.

I though yours were aluminium?

We need to make a list of places where we ask quotes, and also mention which material and what size was aksed about (60%, TKL or Full) as well as the number of plates.

Yup,  5052-h32 1/16" aluminum in what looked like a TKL layout (I just wanted a quote, if you want more just ask since I'll be sending him another email within a few days)

[alaricljs]

Just a reminder... .060 +/- .004 is extremely important for Costar stabs and plate mount Cherry stabs to lock onto the plate.  It's only slightly less important for plate mount switches, but really should be adhered to.

[The_Beast]

Just a reminder... .060 +/- .004 is extremely important for Costar stabs and plate mount Cherry stabs to lock onto the plate.  It's only slightly less important for plate mount switches, but really should be adhered to.

+/-.004" now? I was told +/-.002"


anyways tighter is better wink wink

[damorgue]

Some have asked for stainless steel, which is why there is quite a large variation in price.

[The_Beast]

Some have asked for stainless steel, which is why there is quite a large variation in price.

I think I could get stainless steel, but I'm not sure if the laser he has is powerful enough. Is this something I should ask?

If you're getting quotes for plates, send an RFQ to www.ohiolaser.com. For the ANSI phantom plate (87 TKL) they quoted me the following prices out of 1/16" cold rolled steel. I realize you may change material but give them a try.

Qty 1: $119.66 each
Qty 50: $10.22 each
Qty 100: $9.11 each


*** disclaimer *** I have no affiliation what-so-ever with these people. I just found them with Google.

He got a quote for cold rolled steel, not stainless.

[TheProfosist]

My quote was for stainless. and was probably so expensive because i only wanted a few.

[The_Beast]

My quote was for stainless. and was probably so expensive because i only wanted a few.

OHHHH ok, now I see why they were a bit high.


did you get .060" or 1/16" (since it's steel it should be .060")?

[damorgue]

Ah, I read stainless somehow. Sure, ask away. I have a quote for $40 per TKL plate in low numbers in 1.5mm cold rolled stainless steel with rounded edges (so that they won't cut hands) and 2B finish.

[TheProfosist]

My quote was for stainless. and was probably so expensive because i only wanted a few.

OHHHH ok, now I see why they were a bit high.


did you get .060" or 1/16" (since it's steel it should be .060")?

it was originally for 1/16 but i asked for another quote for just 2 plates using 0.060

[alaricljs]

+/-.004" now? I was told +/-.002"

anyways tighter is better wink wink

Now you are mixing tolerances.  .002 is the hole sizing tolerance.  .004 is the plate thickness tolerance.

[The_Beast]

+/-.004" now? I was told +/-.002"

anyways tighter is better wink wink

Now you are mixing tolerances.  .002 is the hole sizing tolerance.  .004 is the plate thickness tolerance.

Re-read, 100% clear now

So 1/16" plate would work right since it's within the +/- .004 of the plate thickness?

[swe3tdave]

hey guys, i'm kinda new here and you might know this but i've found a place where you can buy leftover stock for cheaper than the market prices.

http://www.verical.com

the prices can vary a lot from day to day, but i've seen cherry mx switch for as low as 0.22$ a piece. Right now there is a deal for 396 pieces at 0.36$ and another for anything between 101 and 15904 at 0.50$ Sometime there is a link where you can make an offer.

Anyway looked like it was worth mentioning.. 

[WhiteFireDragon]

Interested in a poker/PURE size as well.

[damorgue]

hey guys, i'm kinda new here and you might know this but i've found a place where you can buy leftover stock for cheaper than the market prices.

http://www.verical.com

the prices can vary a lot from day to day, but i've seen cherry mx switch for as low as 0.22$ a piece. Right now there is a deal for 396 pieces at 0.36$ and another for anything between 101 and 15904 at 0.50$ Sometime there is a link where you can make an offer.

Anyway looked like it was worth mentioning.. 

Seems pretty great. Why the odd sized batches at random times? Are they really new or refurbished stock, perhaps left overs or desoldered?

[alaricljs]

Re-read, 100% clear now

So 1/16" plate would work right since it's within the +/- .004 of the plate thickness?

Not necessarily because the plate you're looking at is not a perffect 1/16", it's 1/16" +/- some tolerance that may push it outside the envelope you are looking for.

[The_Beast]

^^^ Gottcha, I didn't think of that




"Ben, to answer your questions there are price breaks for larger quantities. We should be able to hold that tolerance and we can do stainless steel but the price will be a lot more."

My laser guy got back to me on the tolerance question, price breaks and different materials

[damorgue]

Apparently aluminium is less prone to get sharp edges because it is rather soft and melts more easily. Stainless steel can get sharp when cut which is why they send the parts through a brushing machine to both get the surface right and to deburr.

[The_Beast]

Apparently aluminium is less prone to get sharp edges because it is rather soft and melts more easily. Stainless steel can get sharp when cut which is why they send the parts through a brushing machine to both get the surface right and to deburr.

Even on a laser cutting? Do lasers give clean edges, because I've heard they are a bit messy (I haven't seen much lasered aluminum since I work in the office and only go into the plant if there is a problem)

[swe3tdave]

Seems pretty great. Why the odd sized batches at random times? Are they really new or refurbished stock, perhaps left overs or desoldered?

Basically verical.com is like overstock.com but for electronic components. All the quantity and prices are from live stocks that can be shipped quickly. Everything is still under manufacturer warranty. Anyway, there is an introduction video on the front page if you want to know more...

[__red__]

hey guys, i'm kinda new here and you might know this but i've found a place where you can buy leftover stock for cheaper than the market prices.

http://www.verical.com

the prices can vary a lot from day to day, but i've seen cherry mx switch for as low as 0.22$ a piece. Right now there is a deal for 396 pieces at 0.36$ and another for anything between 101 and 15904 at 0.50$ Sometime there is a link where you can make an offer.

Anyway looked like it was worth mentioning.. 

Holy crap, that's awesome.  Thanks for posting!
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[TheProfosist]

+/-.004" now? I was told +/-.002"

anyways tighter is better wink wink

Now you are mixing tolerances.  .002 is the hole sizing tolerance.  .004 is the plate thickness tolerance.

The local place i tried going to can only do a tolerance of +/- 0.005 which i assume isnt good enough is it?