[IC] GMK sets interest check and planning

[IvanIvanovich]

I don't think there is enough interest in Mac judging from the sparse orders in my dyesubs buy, but maybe all the Mac users really only want doubleshots... F13-Fwhatever is no problem, there is a 'Clear' legend that is most often found in place of num lock, pretty much everything else is like PC keyboard really, the only thing that is a real question is 'Command' which I don't believe exist. Worst case scenario they could be pad print. But that kind of thing is why there are blank key in the mod packs too.

I have talked to GMK about new custom legend for doubleshot and they told me it is possible in the near future.

[Halvar]

I voted again because of the new questions, I hope that's ok. I just assumed you throw out nickname duplicates from time to time.

[baldgye]

voted

[ideus]

Originative offer for Dolch is pre-order and the set they offer does not fit an standard ANSI keyboard, so there is a need for a a group buy to get an standard ANSI Dolch set in authentic cherry molding.

Whatever the decision on colour-scheme, will you consider adding an optional set for ergodox default layout?

Personally, I prefer the  Dolch's colour-scheme of medium and dark grey, and white legends.

U can buy the dolch from originative, no need to run special GB for something thats available in other store in any given time

[IvanIvanovich]

yeah that is fine, you can revote any time I just look for multiple of same username and keep only most recent time stamp.

[Jocelyn]

Originative offer for Dolch is pre-order and the set they offer does not fit an standard ANSI keyboard, so there is a need for a a group buy to get an standard ANSI Dolch set in authentic cherry molding.

How do you figure it doesn't fit standard ANSI?

Keyset includes:
 
Includes 104 keycap for modern full size keyboards (ie. Filco, CM Storm),
1.5x modifiers, 7x space bar, and stepped caps lock (off-centered stem) for winkeyless keyboard for a total of 110 keys
First time ever thick Cherry window and menu keys
F and J keys are scooped
17 keys for tenkeypad

[ideus]

Hum, you right it "will" fit ANSI ... when it becomes available.

Originative offer for Dolch is pre-order and the set they offer does not fit an standard ANSI keyboard, so there is a need for a a group buy to get an standard ANSI Dolch set in authentic cherry molding.

How do you figure it doesn't fit standard ANSI?

Keyset includes:
 
Includes 104 keycap for modern full size keyboards (ie. Filco, CM Storm),
1.5x modifiers, 7x space bar, and stepped caps lock (off-centered stem) for winkeyless keyboard for a total of 110 keys
First time ever thick Cherry window and menu keys
F and J keys are scooped
17 keys for tenkeypad

[bazemk1979]

Originative offer for Dolch is pre-order and the set they offer does not fit an standard ANSI keyboard, so there is a need for a a group buy to get an standard ANSI Dolch set in authentic cherry molding.

Whatever the decision on colour-scheme, will you consider adding an optional set for ergodox default layout?

Personally, I prefer the  Dolch's colour-scheme of medium and dark grey, and white legends.

U can buy the dolch from originative, no need to run special GB for something thats available in other store in any given time

Are you sure what you saying dude?

Sherry Dolch exactly fits standard ANSI and more....

- has all bottom row mods 1.25 , 1.50
- spacebar x7 and x6.25
- capslock center stemmed full touch and off center stepped.

He will have this keys in near future:
- x1 blanks for the bottom row modifiers
- 1.75 shift
- top row x1 windowed keys for

Keyset includes:

 
•Includes 104 keycap for modern full size keyboards (ie. Filco, CM Storm),
•1.5x modifiers, 7x space bar, and stepped caps lock (off-centered stem) for winkeyless keyboard for a total of 110 keys
•First time ever thick Cherry window and menu keys
•F and J keys are scooped
•17 keys for tenkeypad


To me it looks like he has the ANSI layout covered pretty well.... Now maeby you got confused and what you really meant was ISO layout?

I can only imagine how many people preordered Dolch from him, I did too since price was right at $85.

If 300 people ordered Dolch set from Sherry, why they need to order again trough a GB that will most likely cost more, don't forget this GB with all the packs, languages and layouts will be more than what people got the Dolch with Sherry.

I know I'm skipping the GB if its going to be with anything that resembles Dolch, no matter if legends are different color.

What Lysol needs to do is drop the voting and start with mockups and do some retro style sets on his own. When he gets 5-6 sets with mockups, place them for voting, here are few ideas

- Bumblebee set black/yellow ( opposite of keypop.net) Black for alphanumeric and yellow for modifiers.

- Coffee and Cream

- Any well chosen color combo retro style with clear legends ( seemed lots of people wanted this when posting in this thread)

- Retro set?

- Retro set?

Have 5 sets like this so people can vote on.

[ideus]

I already acknowledge that to Jocelyn. But thank you for pointing it again. No need for hard feelings though. I really hope Lysol's GB fills the needs for most of GH users interested. It is a free market and some may prefer to make business with Originative, or else, as you did which is OK, but, GB are users driven, thus we all can raise our voice, so your comments are very welcome, as mine.

Originative offer for Dolch is pre-order and the set they offer does not fit an standard ANSI keyboard, so there is a need for a a group buy to get an standard ANSI Dolch set in authentic cherry molding.

Whatever the decision on colour-scheme, will you consider adding an optional set for ergodox default layout?

Personally, I prefer the  Dolch's colour-scheme of medium and dark grey, and white legends.

U can buy the dolch from originative, no need to run special GB for something thats available in other store in any given time

Are you sure what you saying dude?

Sherry Dolch exactly fits standard ANSI and more....

- has all bottom row mods 1.25 , 1.50
- spacebar x7 and x6.25
- capslock center stemmed full touch and off center stepped.

He will have this keys in near future:
- x1 blanks for the bottom row modifiers
- 1.75 shift
- top row x1 windowed keys for

Keyset includes:

 
•Includes 104 keycap for modern full size keyboards (ie. Filco, CM Storm),
•1.5x modifiers, 7x space bar, and stepped caps lock (off-centered stem) for winkeyless keyboard for a total of 110 keys
•First time ever thick Cherry window and menu keys
•F and J keys are scooped
•17 keys for tenkeypad


To me it looks like he has the ANSI layout covered pretty well.... Now maeby you got confused and what you really meant was ISO layout?

I can only imagine how many people preordered Dolch from him, I did too since price was right at $85.

If 300 people ordered Dolch set from Sherry, why they need to order again trough a GB that will most likely cost more, don't forget this GB with all the packs, languages and layouts will be more than what people got the Dolch with Sherry.

I know I'm skipping the GB if its going to be with anything that resembles Dolch, no matter if legends are different color.

What Lysol needs to do is drop the voting and start with mockups and do some retro style sets on his own. When he gets 5-6 sets with mockups, place them for voting, here are few ideas

- Bumblebee set black/yellow ( opposite of keypop.net) Black for alphanumeric and yellow for modifiers.

- Coffee and Cream

- Any well chosen color combo retro style with clear legends ( seemed lots of people wanted this when posting in this thread)

- Retro set?

- Retro set?

Have 5 sets like this so people can vote on.

[bazemk1979]

No hard feeling at all dude, BTW Jocelyn turned out to respond faster since I started typing and got caught with something else and then posted it later on. when I started typing Jocelyn haven't responded at all.

Anyways this is a GB your right and people opinions matter, but if there would be a GB held for Dolch set only for people that didn't order from Sherry because of the lack of ISO layout option and language packs, how far would the number of orders go for that GB you think? probably wont even pass the 50 order mark, and this is why Dolch would fail, Sherry already got the upper hand and sold hundreds of them, same people wont buy the set again at higher price for the sake of other people having the opportunity to have ISO and language packs.

It sux for non ANSI users, but I think Dolch wont reach MOQ, or maeby I'm wrong? give it a shot and let people vote.

[ideus]

I think that's the point of the interest check, Don't you think so? Let's the IC runs and see what does it comes with.

No hard feeling at all dude, BTW Jocelyn turned out to respond faster since I started typing and got caught with something else and then posted it later on. when I started typing Jocelyn haven't responded at all.

Anyways this is a GB your right and people opinions matter, but if there would be a GB held for Dolch set only for people that didn't order from Sherry because of the lack of ISO layout option and language packs, how far would the number of orders go for that GB you think? probably wont even pass the 50 order mark, and this is why Dolch would fail, Sherry already got the upper hand and sold hundreds of them, same people wont buy the set again at higher price for the sake of other people having the opportunity to have ISO and language packs.

It sux for non ANSI users, but I think Dolch wont reach MOQ, or maeby I'm wrong? give it a shot and let people vote.

[bazemk1979]

Would love to see how the IC turns out, maeby have other sets in the IC along with the Dolch? this way we know more whats on peoples mind:

- Dolch

- Bumblebee set black/yellow ( opposite of keypop.net) Black for alphanumeric and yellow for modifiers.

- Coffee and Cream

- Any well chosen color combo retro style with clear legends ( seemed lots of people wanted this when posting in this thread)

- Retro set?

[IvanIvanovich]

From some conversations here and there, some serious points have been made problems with having clear legend. Some of the first/second shot have really large line, that the second shot color runs directly thought the whole legend practically which would make it not clear anymore basically end up looking like a blank key, while others will have problems with the legend being partially over the stem such as Control. Now, if we could get all the alphas at least with the legend insert how they are on the FJ scoops where it is a big block for the legend, then that would be very nice result. I need to have some longer conversation about that with GMK and get some sample to make sure it will be satisfactory before I will consider running a buy with clear legend. I wouldn't want it to come out badly and have a huge disappointment.

[bazemk1979]

Well put Lysol, I honestly don't care much for the clear legends, but added that option since I saw quite bunch of people wanting this.... You are right though, the point of having clear legends is being able for the to have the LED light shine trough them and the 2nd thing you said which means you end up with a blank key. honestly I have never seen GMK keycap with clear legend, but it suppose to serve functionality and still being able to see that the keycap have an actual legend even though its clear.

I also see that if this set can have all the kinks taken care off + adding to the set a whole F row blank windowed keycaps would be one sweet combo. I would use that thing even on a non backlit board just for the sake of it.

What you think Lysol, is it better to have IC for aplhas and NAV separate or just choose good 5 sets and let people vote? but you need to choose well my friend.

[Jocelyn]

I haven't voted yet (will soon), but was wanting to know whether or not the blue color is the same as Handarbeit blue or not. Thanks in advance

[IvanIvanovich]

Yep same blue that I have in the OP.

[damorgue]

Anyways this is a GB your right and people opinions matter, but if there would be a GB held for Dolch set only for people that didn't order from Sherry because of the lack of ISO layout option and language packs, how far would the number of orders go for that GB you think? probably wont even pass the 50 order mark, and this is why Dolch would fail /snip

I believe that a popular less intrusive colourway would get far more buyers if done as a full set. It would allow people to get the major computer forums in several countries involved. That is what I believe needs to happen to make MOQ far easier to reach. That won't ever happen with incomplete sets or sets with too extreme colourways.

[bazemk1979]

Anyways this is a GB your right and people opinions matter, but if there would be a GB held for Dolch set only for people that didn't order from Sherry because of the lack of ISO layout option and language packs, how far would the number of orders go for that GB you think? probably wont even pass the 50 order mark, and this is why Dolch would fail /snip

I believe that a popular less intrusive colourway would get far more buyers if done as a full set. It would allow people to get the major computer forums in several countries involved. That is what I believe needs to happen to make MOQ far easier to reach. That won't ever happen with incomplete sets or sets with too extreme colourways.

I know ISO people around the world would like to have the Dolch, I'm all for it you guys making it happen. Can there be 300 ISO people who would buy the Dolch? I'm just looking trough the Dolch DSA numbers and the main set sold at around 300 sets, but then I look at the DSA add ons and ISO only has 15 people so far.... No language packs but still there are blanks you can mix it up... and looking at the RGBY its almost at 75 orders.

Dolch would have no problem making MOQ if Sherry didn't sold them, you'll find few ANSI users that would join the GB since they all jumped and preordered from sherry, $80..... Point is 85%+ of the crowd in every GB are ANSI. I wish you GL with you guys hitting MOQ with the Dolch or any other set that Sherry already has in store.

EDIT: not trying to bring negativity around, just looking at the numbers, I wouldn't care if I miss 2-3 GMK GB's in order ISO guys get what they want, at least I wont break my wallet for few months  )

[damorgue]

I am not speaking of dolch. I am speaking of full sets, particularly ones in less intrusive colourways which could get a lot of extra buyers from different countries.

[IvanIvanovich]

ISO is not all, they want their nationalized layout, not some half assed blanks add on. As far as I know, Dolch was only done in US, DE and GB layout. 2 of those 3 are pretty hard to come across.
I don't think that red, blue, green are extreme colors. I could see if I was trying to pull for bright green on orange or something... but I think these white on color keys are pretty broad appeal without being so ****ing boring.
Also, I have added possibility to make this a full set but with white/black for the rest of keys. If the colors don't do it for you there is option for a write in vote.
If there are enough of the same write in vote that it qualifies for tiebreaker, it will become a ballot option on second voting round.

[calavera]

Question, are we limited to black or white fonts only?

[Halvar]

The mockup picture that clearly showed the four colorways for the vote has gone missing. I'm not sure if people know which colors they're voting on, especially going through the photos gives you the impression that the dolch letter shows the grey that's up for vote, and from the old mockup that's not the case!

If nothing changed, then the grey that the vote is for is the grey from the shift key in the photos! We're not talking about making a new set of dolch alphas.

[LechnerDE]

Voted again because of the new options. Please delete my other vote.

But I am still afraid the upcoming GB will struggle just as much as the previous one. Hopefully we get a set in the end, but I am afraid it will be even harder than the first time...


I'd settle for Dan's idea in a second

I understood the idea to do a "small set" buy with GMK to establish a working relationship, but we might need to toss out the idea of completing the purple modifiers with nav/arrow/F5-F8. Buying just alphas is a bad idea right now because if you didn't get in on the purple modifiers then you have nothing to pair it with. The best idea would be to "do it right" from here on out and just go for an entire set. Mission accomplished with GMK relationship, and I think everyone can accept that the purple modifier keys will look great on 60% boards and leave it at that. Maybe GMK will drop their MOQ in the future and we can re-visit finishing the purple set.

We should focus on one full set so that it appeals to everyone. Just bundle in the 1x, 1.25x, and 1.5x keys (don't forget 1.25 and 1.75x shifts), and the language packs and everyone ansi can suck it up and pay the extra $10-15 so our pals on the other side of the ocean can get some love for a change.

[IvanIvanovich]

No, we can do any color combination they can obtain plastic stock in, which is nearly anything I guess. I just pick white or black legends so far as most existing sets have one or the other and it is a safe choice.

I'll fix it later...

I really want to avoid making ginormous all singing all dancing sets if at all possible. 

[nubbinator]

I still think a more "normal" primary color (grey, blacks, whites, cream) with a less common secondary color will do better than the ones being voted on. 

[calavera]

Vintage is always good imo. Here are some inspirations.

Matches blue in the OP, goes well with white on grey. Nice balance between "bling" and "mainstream."


This will go well with any grey, black, beige, or silver cases:


Not a big fan of the coffee set from SP, but this is lighter and more awesome.



I say pick one of the above and run with it.

[Halvar]

Ivan, the "grey" option in the vote for the alphas -- which one is it?



The original mockup for the poll showed the color of the shift key. Could you clarify?

[Jmneuv]

should be the one on the right;

i think those irregularities you could expect with clear legends are part of the charm - like with an opal ;
judging from the average reactions i'd however agree that it'd be probably unwise to select (most kb geeks seem to be also clean freaks);
let's talk about that again when the clear orange/white gb is up;

[IvanIvanovich]

For the grey I was really kind of thinking to maybe shoot for something about halfway between?

[baldgye]

I'm going o be honest, I voted for grey, the most boring layout because I think it's the only one with a chance of getting enough people to want.

It's dull, but I don't think the other colours are either that exciting or would work well with the purple mods. Though I do think grey with purple legends would be cool and diffrent.

[Halvar]

Thanks Ivan. I'd prefer a grey without the coffee brown touch of the dolch alphas. But that's just me.

@baldgye: Exactly my thoughts, thanks! Grey is indeed pretty dull, but the other colors are too glowing for alphas to attract many buyers, and none of them work with the purple mods that well. They might be more successful for modifiers.

And with a lot of people buying cheap glowing white-on-primary-color sets from Tai Hao just now, demand for those may even be lower than normal.

[Jmneuv]

problem with white on grey is that it would compete with a certain vendors offerings, so i'm seeing the obedient sheep causing moq problems;

[baldgye]

Which is why I suggested making the legend colour purple, it would be diffrent and unique and work with the mods, or maybe the skiidata thing with blue (though I don't know how that would work with purple mods)..

[pasph]

I still think that "unusual" colors are more attractive
Burgundy

Cyan

Teal

[baldgye]

I'm down for cyan, cyan and purple mix well but I don't think it's a popular choice and so wouldn't make the required orders

[pasph]

How many votes up to now for the "popular" red, blue and green?
Forget purple or make purple on White alphas.

[Photoelectric]

Dat teal!!! I love it.

[ImperfectLink]

I'd love to see a set in the Elecom Mapp mouse palette:

[nubbinator]

I still think that "unusual" colors are more attractive

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Burgundy

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Cyan

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Teal

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I've been wanting one of these similar colorways for a while:



I guess I'm just of the mindset that a more common color primary color with a less common secondary color (the lettering) would have a better chance of hitting the MOQ.

[bazemk1979]

I'd love to see a set in the Elecom Mapp mouse palette:

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Woooooooooooow, now that color combo looks bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!

- Modifiers + Nav + F row + arrows - Titanium color

- Alpha numeric - Silver color

- Legends - Clear

Ughhhh, what a sweet combo, but we have 2 problems lol.... We don't know if GMK can supply these colors and clear legends issues are not resolved, but if we go with dark gray for legends then only problem we are having is do GMK have this colors like the mice you have on the pic.

[bazemk1979]

I still think that "unusual" colors are more attractive

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Burgundy

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Cyan

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Teal

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I've been wanting one of these similar colorways for a while:

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I guess I'm just of the mindset that a more common color primary color with a less common secondary color (the lettering) would have a better chance of hitting the MOQ.

you just love white color lol

[baldgye]

I don't see how those sets would work with purple mods...

[IvanIvanovich]

If you want to make suggestions pick your one favorite make write in vote on the form is better. It is too easy for them to get lost in the thread.
There will be second round of voting, if there is lot of interest in something will add it on then. So if you favor a suggestion don't forget to enter it on the write in.

[bazemk1979]

If you want to make suggestions pick your one favorite make write in vote on the form is better. It is too easy for them to get lost in the thread.
There will be second round of voting, if there is lot of interest in something will add it on then. So if you favor a suggestion don't forget to enter it on the write in.

Pinesol imagine this titanium and silver color combo with clear legends, ok you can stop fapping now.

[___q]

I don't see how those sets would work with purple mods...

I don't know, I think teal and purple could be pretty neat...

[pasph]

It seems to me that many are worried to put something near those purple caps, if this is the purpose of this round 2 then lets make a simple purple on White Alpha set.
But maybe we can forget purple till round 3.

[bazemk1979]

It seems to me that many are worried to put something near those purple caps, if this is the purpose of this round 2 then lets make a simple purple on White Alpha set.
But maybe we can forget purple till round 3.

I actually woted for the purple NAV set + Alphanumeric blue. But I know purple will never happen, people think its too flashy, but don't look flashy to me at all, its not the typical flashy purple. I don't think I'm voting again with the new options, I plan to sit it out and see whats the final colors and if there is something that peaks my interest then I will vote.

[nubbinator]

you just love white color lol

It's not bad, but some of my favorite sets are CCnG and Dolch, neither of which are white.  I also love Miami.  And of the ideas I posted, the Cyan on Gray is probably my favorite.

I'm just thinking in terms of the sets that were part of the last GB and what's most likely to sell.  I'd love to see what modifiers that green, blue, or red would go with (aside from maybe Klaxon or Red Alert).  I mean, going with something that clashes so horribly with the purple is kind of a middle finger to the people who bought the modifiers (at least to me) and going with colors that don't really go all that great with modifiers most people probably have on hand isn't really going to help with the MOQ.  Going with something more toned down is more likely to help us hit that 400 MOQ than something that's outlandish.

[pasph]

I've bought 3 sets of purples, go figure...

[bazemk1979]

you just love white color lol

It's not bad, but some of my favorite sets are CCnG and Dolch, neither of which are white.  I also love Miami.  And of the ideas I posted, the Cyan on Gray is probably my favorite.

I'm just thinking in terms of the sets that were part of the last GB and what's most likely to sell.  I'd love to see what modifiers that green, blue, or red would go with (aside from maybe Klaxon or Red Alert).  I mean, going with something that clashes so horribly with the purple is kind of a middle finger to the people who bought the modifiers (at least to me) and going with colors that don't really go all that great with modifiers most people probably have on hand isn't really going to help with the MOQ.  Going with something more toned down is more likely to help us hit that 400 MOQ than something that's outlandish.

I know what you mean, I would love to have full set of the purple and alpha/numeric with a color that matches the purple. But it has to be any color besides what can be found in sherry store. There is a color that will match the purple without replicating alpha/numeric color from whats available at Originative store at any given time.

But if I remember correctly before Lysol even received the 1st GB when we spoke of making full set combo with the purple color, tons of people started typing that they don't want purple any more... What can you do buddy, we want it but the majority does not, it is what it is.