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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #650 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 14:51:28 »
And since I've already got two people doing this and I'm sure it's bumped me to the infinity box (med flat rate), if anyone that's got an order with klaxon through me already wants to just have me ship them together, I've no problem with that.

Phinix, talk to GeorgeK, I've a large order going to him with klaxon and he's having me ship his dsa order with it, he may be alright with me including your stuff as well.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #651 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 14:52:59 »
And since I've already got two people doing this and I'm sure it's bumped me to the infinity box (med flat rate), if anyone that's got an order with klaxon through me already wants to just have me ship them together, I've no problem with that.

Phinix, talk to GeorgeK, I've a large order going to him with klaxon and he's having me ship his dsa order with it, he may be alright with me including your stuff as well.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #652 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:02:24 »
Matteo and Ron, I would like to have my order shipped to TJ to ship with my Klaxon order, if that is possible. Thanks!
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #653 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:05:50 »
Also, to those who have already expressed interest as well as anyone who will be in the San Francisco Bay Area when the keycaps roll in:

Showing up in Mt. View and helping sort and ship will get your shipping fees reimbursed.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #654 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:49:12 »
Matteo and Ron, I would like to have my order shipped to TJ to ship with my Klaxon order, if that is possible. Thanks!

have him add your stuff to his order and cancel yours.

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« Reply #655 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:51:09 »
any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?

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it is available but we need the release to use it. I don't have it yet, I hope next week. Otherwise we will start production anyway and I'll have SP make the tooling ready for next round.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #656 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:08:50 »
People who want stepped caps lock keys so that they don't hit them by mistake really need to rebind their caps lock key to something more useful! :P
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #657 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:44:00 »
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<

not what I said :)
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #658 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:53:15 »
Just so it's here, too.  I see and have added phinix and jdcarpe orders to mine.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #659 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 17:47:13 »
the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #660 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:21:20 »
Just so it's here, too.  I see and have added phinix and jdcarpe orders to mine.

Sweet!:)
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #661 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:32:56 »
Can help sort in mountain view if timing allows.. post up the schedule once you get the caps

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« Reply #662 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:51:20 »
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<

not what I said :)
I still have some hope
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #663 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:53:03 »
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<

not what I said :)
I still have some hope
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<

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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #664 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:53:17 »
Look, he did it! Awesome. :D

the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #665 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:56:34 »
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« Reply #666 on: Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:57:03 »
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #667 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 00:38:50 »
Looks like invoicing is about to start soon.. can't wait!! :)
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Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
« Reply #668 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 01:59:31 »
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<

just to be clear.

we have stepped key.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #669 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:22:28 »
All orders are considered final! Now to invoicing.

what happens now

- We will make a final count of all keys and send it to Signature Plastics
- Signature Plastics will return us with the invoice
- This might take 24h so invoicing might actually starts tomorrow (Tuesday)
- The final price might still change a few bucks for so many reasons, so don't start sending money to your proxy yet
- The final price is the one you'll see on the invoice not the one on the order form. Invoce total takes into consideration last minute variations and special agreements you might have with samwisekoi (eg: no paypal fees for people who pay by wire transfer)
- Don't PM regarding your invoice. We didn't send them yet. When we start invoicing we'll put a clear notice on the forum

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #670 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 03:41:56 »
the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #671 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:14:53 »
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<

just to be clear.

we have stepped key.
that is not DSA profile from my understanding, having a stepped key was never the issue it was it NOT being in DSA profile that was the issue

In the OP you say it doesn't come with it because SP doesn't have the tooling for it, so i show you a picture with it and you post a image as an response not sure what that meant, then i find out yesterday that there _might_ be a chance we get it but we won't know until after I pay

this really means a lot to i guess maybe only me lol
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #672 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:40:03 »
we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #673 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:40:41 »
that is not DSA profile from my understanding, having a stepped key was never the issue it was it NOT being in DSA profile that was the issue

In the OP you say it doesn't come with it because SP doesn't have the tooling for it, so i show you a picture with it and you post a image as an response not sure what that meant, then i find out yesterday that there _might_ be a chance we get it but we won't know until after I pay

this really means a lot to i guess maybe only me lol
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #674 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:48:33 »
the only DCS keys are the ISO returns and the 6.25 universal spacebars (which most of you don't need because we also have a standard 6.2 DSA spacebar)

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #675 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:40:00 »
we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
with _left_ stem on the 1.75x stepped caps lock correct?

Just clarifying since the OP still states
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #676 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:41:17 »
I think tsangan is a lil OCD about his caps lock.  Yet I've never seen him use it.
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #677 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:43:28 »
He even doesn't have any keyboard.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #678 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:48:42 »
Ha!

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #679 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:59:38 »
we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
with _left_ stem on the 1.75x stepped caps lock correct?

Just clarifying since the OP still states
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NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!

Stepped keys in the size of 1.75 (one-point-seventyfive) units are in DSA family. Stepped key has the mounting point in the center of the left raised step (left stem'ed).

Now ask me again about the stepped key and I remove it from the GB :P

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #680 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 08:48:55 »
I wonder how that DCS ISO return will look like next to spherical caps.
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #681 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 08:53:18 »
I wonder how that DCS ISO return will look like next to spherical caps.

very good question. Next time I'd like to have the tooling done for ISO Enter key too.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #682 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 09:56:38 »
got the test mail.  :p
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #683 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:40:12 »
got the test mail.  :p
Good.  We got some bounces, which means we can't invoice those people, and that means reduced order volume.

Who can guess what reduced order volume means?

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Honest mistakes and complaining in the thread are well and good, but placing false orders?  What do the people who placed real orders with real addresses say we should do to/for the people who used fake addresses?

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #684 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:40:48 »
Ban  ;)
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #685 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:47:10 »
How many bounces did you get, roughly, and how many of those had valid forum usernames?
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #686 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:59:17 »
I'm trying to contact people that we weren't able to reach by email.

But this is very unfortunate. it is going to delay the whole GB, anyway next time we will take more serious countermeasures :P

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #687 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:03:15 »
What? People have been making fake sign ups?
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #688 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:04:59 »
Honest mistakes and complaining in the thread are well and good, but placing false orders?  What do the people who placed real orders with real addresses say we should do to/for the people who used fake addresses?
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Two things:

1. For Matt, make the next iteration of your software check email addresses in advance to prevent exactly this. I'm not complaining at all, just saying we should let all these little problems become instructive. so that future groupbuys are that much better.

2. If they are intentionally fake orders (not sure how to prove that) then ban them from future groupbuys. Intentionally trying to screw up a groupbuy is pretty low; pond scum sort of low. Suddenly discovering that you don't have enough money... that's flaky, and it happens, but it's not evil. If someone used 'YerGBIzGayzor@humptyhump.com' -- then yeah, try to find out who sent it in. Maybe the software can log IP's so we can track down who faked an order.

EDIT: Yes, I would support a ban. Maybe try to match up IPs from usernames to those who IPs used to fill out the form? Maybe tighter integration with the forum software would help?

What percentage of orders are experiencing a problem? 5%? 10% more?
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #689 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:09:38 »
There is no way to prevent bad behavior.  We just have to keep calm and carry on.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #690 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:10:34 »
I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #691 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:13:10 »
There is no way to prevent bad behavior.  We just have to keep calm and carry on.

To the former, I think we have to at least try to discourage bad behavior -- we may not be able to stop it, but we could at least find a way to impose consequences for bad behavior. As for the latter, I agree -- we need to be British about the groupbuy.
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I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.

I hope you're right. Maybe it's just a case of mispellings, or fumbled typing (ironic).
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #692 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:19:02 »
Since the site was on the open Internet and had no integration with GH or DT to at least validate user names, anything is possible.  If a community member did actively corrupt the GB results, they can expect to be publicly flogged at the very least.
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #693 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:19:26 »
The reality is that there is nothing preventing 'Joe Random' from putting in a valid DT/GH username and a BS email.  There is no security or authentication on this form.  This would be a reasonable explanation as to the question of why to integrate this software with either GH or DT... would be intriguing to attempt both in the same code base.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #694 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:32:33 »
I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.

I believe I said mistakes were not the issue here.  Checking now... Yep.  I said exactly that.

In fact I made no accusations at all, disingenuous or otherwise.  I asked the members of the group buy what we should do if such a thing occurred. 

At the moment we know of one order that looks suspicious, and has both an invalid e-mail address and an invalid forum member name.  In that case the action I took was to (a) try and find a valid address and then (b) request the person who placed it to send me a PM if it was a serious order that happened to have invalid contact information.  Oh, it had an invalid ship-to as well.

I am not going to bother with accusations, disingenuous or otherwise.  If we can't contact the person who placed the order using the address they provided, we will try another way.  But if we can't invoice them, they can't pay, and that volume is lost form the group buy and we have to do something about that fact.

My intent was to give the members of the group buy information as it became available.

Please advise if you would prefer less information.

 - Ron | samwisekoi


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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #695 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:37:37 »
Please advise if you would prefer less information.

Yes, ignorance is blessing. Less information is advisable :P

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #696 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:39:32 »
Please advise if you would prefer less information.

Yes, ignorance is blessing. Less information is advisable :P

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #697 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:02:03 »
Order sent... waiting for invoice.

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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #698 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:55:43 »
Knowledge is freedom and ignorance is slavery
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Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
« Reply #699 on: Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:56:38 »
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