Author Topic: Why no love for Cherry ML Switch? (Read 67066 times)

daerid · « **Reply #50 on:** Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:29:42 »

$16? Can't pass that up! Never tried ML, this should be interesting. Thanks for the link!

clakdale661 · « **Reply #51 on:** Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:54:19 »

Hey so that ebay link is a decent keyboard to try out ML switches? Is the keyboard any good? When I see $15 price, it reminds me of shhitty rubber domes. I'm must about over the price shock of $100+ mx keyboards.

jabar · « **Reply #52 on:** Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:58:28 »

Quote from: clakdale661 on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:54:19

Hey so that ebay link is a decent keyboard to try out ML switches? Is the keyboard any good? When I see $15 price, it reminds me of shhitty rubber domes. I'm must about over the price shock of $100+ mx keyboards.

The same keyboard lists in the $60-70 range.

metalliqaz · « **Reply #53 on:** Sun, 24 February 2013, 08:59:40 »

They are better than rubber dome but one thing you may not realize is that they are a 9/10ths keyboard. The layout is compact, but in addition the keys are smaller than usual and are therefore smooshed closer together. It feels very cramped at first. Similar to Netbooks.

Hyde · « **Reply #54 on:** Sun, 24 February 2013, 19:44:00 »

Quote from: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:58:28

Quote from: clakdale661 on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:54:19
Hey so that ebay link is a decent keyboard to try out ML switches? Is the keyboard any good? When I see $15 price, it reminds me of shhitty rubber domes. I'm must about over the price shock of $100+ mx keyboards.
The same keyboard lists in the $60-70 range.

Yeah I was gonna say, $16 is a really good deal. I've even seen some go up to $100 on ebay.

EDIT: LOL just saw this video on youtube almost died laughing.

davkol · « **Reply #55 on:** Tue, 26 February 2013, 23:10:31 »

Quote from: metalliqaz on Sun, 24 February 2013, 08:59:40

They are better than rubber dome but one thing you may not realize is that they are a 9/10ths keyboard. The layout is compact, but in addition the keys are smaller than usual and are therefore smooshed closer together. It feels very cramped at first. Similar to Netbooks.

No, they aren't. Just measured it—most keys are more or less the same size as Cherry DS on my choc mini.

Kmynis · « **Reply #56 on:** Wed, 27 February 2013, 02:05:10 »

The buttons are smaller only on the bottom row. But there is something weird about typing on that board. I can't type a sentence without misclicking something on the right side of the board. The ML switch doesn't seem to be good for long typing as well. It seems that you need to hit them with 90 degrees angle precisely, otherwise it will scrath or even get stuck. The only situation where I imagine myself using this, would be some working environment where you need to type several words or numbers and keep going with your own business.
This board is not what a typical enthusiast is looking for. It has a very specific area of use and this board sucks everywhere outside it. I'm not bashing it as a product, but if you're looking for the feel and comfort, you gotta skip the ML.

Haha that video. If you're not allowing a doctor to show off his terrible handwriting, at least make him mistype a lot.

RougeR · « **Reply #57 on:** Thu, 28 February 2013, 07:49:19 »

well i liked it..and i really did not think i would, got 2 of them for cheap on ebay, maybe i got a good one idk. i think they are a mix between low travel mx blacks/clears. also if anyone is interested i am looking at putting in a metal backplate and doing a sort of bolt mod to improve sturdyness and typing feel

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #58 on:** Thu, 28 February 2013, 08:01:33 »

Quote from: RougeR on Thu, 28 February 2013, 07:49:19

well i liked it..and i really did not think i would, got 2 of them for cheap on ebay, maybe i got a good one idk. i think they are a mix between low travel mx blacks/clears. also if anyone is interested i am looking at putting in a metal backplate and doing a sort of bolt mod to improve sturdyness and typing feel

RougeR, can you document your process? I'd definitely be interested in this mod.

Tarzan · « **Reply #59 on:** Thu, 28 February 2013, 08:22:34 »

Quote from: RougeR on Thu, 28 February 2013, 07:49:19

well i liked it..and i really did not think i would, got 2 of them for cheap on ebay, maybe i got a good one idk. i think they are a mix between low travel mx blacks/clears. also if anyone is interested i am looking at putting in a metal backplate and doing a sort of bolt mod to improve sturdyness and typing feel

RougeR;

Please copy me as well on any mods you try, I actually like the smaller format for this board, and I think it could be made substantially better with a few tweaks.

Hyde · « **Reply #60 on:** Thu, 28 February 2013, 15:13:08 »

lol that mod would be sweet. Though if anyone can make video about how to lube the switches that would be awesome too

RougeR · « **Reply #61 on:** Thu, 28 February 2013, 17:55:24 »

Copy you how?
And yes i think a few treaks would vastly improve it

Hyde · « **Reply #62 on:** Thu, 28 February 2013, 18:01:54 »

Quote from: RougeR on Thu, 28 February 2013, 17:55:24

Copy you how?
And yes i think a few treaks would vastly improve it

I think he meant send them a copy if you plan to document the process so they can do it too

RougeR · « **Reply #63 on:** Fri, 01 March 2013, 04:44:58 »

ahhh yes okay, think makes sense now. or it could be. 10 4 copy me RougeR, RougeR do you copy?

RougeR · « **Reply #64 on:** Fri, 01 March 2013, 04:46:00 »

and yes i will document it, going to get a plan together then put up a thread

Tarzan · « **Reply #65 on:** Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:17:00 »

Quote from: RougeR on Fri, 01 March 2013, 04:46:00

and yes i will document it, going to get a plan together then put up a thread

Let me know if you need any donor boards. I have one of the black ML boards with the integrated trackball (G84-4420LPBEU-2, I think) that you can use for practice, I should be getting the space-saver version in the mail any day now.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #66 on:** Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:31:36 »

That eBay seller is probably wondering why they had an influx of orders all at one time.

Hyde · « **Reply #67 on:** Fri, 01 March 2013, 17:57:57 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:31:36

That eBay seller is probably wondering why they had an influx of orders all at one time.

LOL I know eh I ordered 2. I wonder how they get to sell it so cheap though, hopefully they're still making money so they'll keep this up.

WhiteFireDragon · « **Reply #68 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 03:09:31 »

Did anyone get this from that guy yet? I ordered one just to try out, haven't gotten it yet.

ValerieV · « **Reply #69 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 03:58:13 »

I don't know which specific person you are talking about but i just got mine about a week ago from Ebay brand new and i love it. It isn't as great as my HHKB but for the price I got it for it is one of the best mini keyboards out there. I think the few complaints i have is that the delete key is small so it takes some getting used to and the keys do feel like there is some friction there. Some people mentioned putting lube on them but i don't think i will. I am afraid i will mess up the keyboard.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #70 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 08:59:04 »

Quote from: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 02 March 2013, 03:09:31

Did anyone get this from that guy yet? I ordered one just to try out, haven't gotten it yet.

I got mine like 3 days after I ordered it. Of course, the seller was only 2 hours north of me.

ValerieV · « **Reply #71 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 13:05:26 »

I got mine about 3 days as well. Bought it brand new and i love it!

Hyde · « **Reply #72 on:** Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:09:43 »

My US friend got it yesterday. So I should have it up in Canada in another week >___>

Took about 5 days but she lives in the west coast so maybe that's why it took longer.

zoolzoo · « **Reply #73 on:** Sun, 03 March 2013, 15:38:49 »

Quote from: Bro Caps on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:27:05

Quote from: Flip on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:24:10
So if I get this board and lube it, does that require removal of the switches from the PCB? Curious about the feel of these "lubed short-throw cherry browns" but don't wanna get into soldering and all that. Can you just dab it (silicon grease) in there with a q-tip?

Desoldering is not required to pop off the switch tops:

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Where exactly should grease be applied?

Hyde · « **Reply #74 on:** Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:46:55 »

I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?

Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

calavera · « **Reply #75 on:** Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:54:20 »

I got this yesterday. Honestly, it's meh. Someone referred to this as "typing on wet newspaper" and I agree.
I wasn't expecting anything but it was rather disappointing. I'll just keep this as a a back up emergency keyboard.

1839cc · « **Reply #76 on:** Sun, 03 March 2013, 18:06:23 »

Quote from: calavera on Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:54:20

I got this yesterday. Honestly, it's meh. Someone referred to this as "typing on wet newspaper" and I agree.
I wasn't expecting anything but it was rather disappointing. I'll just keep this as a a back up emergency keyboard.

Wet newspaper and dead octopus describe MY switches.

Hyde · « **Reply #77 on:** Sun, 03 March 2013, 19:01:01 »

^ What he said.

MY switch is the one that people say absolutely sucks and ML is decent while not amazing.

Did you try to lube it? Apparently it's the turning point of ML switch. If anyone can provide a lubing guide that would be great !!!

zoolzoo · « **Reply #78 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 15:43:46 »

Quote from: calavera on Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:54:20

I got this yesterday. Honestly, it's meh. Someone referred to this as "typing on wet newspaper" and I agree.
I wasn't expecting anything but it was rather disappointing. I'll just keep this as a a back up emergency keyboard.

No, these are more like mini browns. Really not that bad.

zoolzoo · « **Reply #79 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 15:49:54 »

Quote from: Hyde on Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:46:55

I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?

Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Im trying that right now. Honestly I dont think its making much of a difference at all. As far as technique I think you are right though.

WhiteFireDragon · « **Reply #80 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 15:50:32 »

Quote from: Hyde on Sun, 03 March 2013, 19:01:01

If anyone can provide a lubing guide that would be great !!!

Just open it up and see where all the points that rub on each other, and lube it. Not that hard. When I get mine I'll let you know. From the looks of it based on that pic, there are 4 sliders, and a spring you'll have to lube. Maybe the bottom too if you want to spend the time.

sth · « **Reply #81 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 16:29:12 »

I LIKED ML BEFORE IT WAS COOL

jwaz · « **Reply #82 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 16:39:31 »

Quote from: sth on Mon, 04 March 2013, 16:29:12

I LIKED ML BEFORE IT WAS COOL

it still isn't cool

sth · « **Reply #83 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 16:42:28 »

Quote from: JesuswasaZombie on Mon, 04 March 2013, 16:39:31

Quote from: sth on Mon, 04 March 2013, 16:29:12
I LIKED ML BEFORE IT WAS COOL

it still isn't cool

neither are those sunglasses

Hyde · « **Reply #84 on:** Mon, 04 March 2013, 22:52:35 »

Quote from: zoolzoo on Mon, 04 March 2013, 15:49:54

Quote from: Hyde on Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:46:55
I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?

Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Im trying that right now. Honestly I dont think its making much of a difference at all. As far as technique I think you are right though.

So my ghetto lube method doesn't work eh? I guess you have to do it properly and open it up

zoolzoo · « **Reply #85 on:** Tue, 05 March 2013, 07:04:08 »

Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 04 March 2013, 22:52:35

Quote from: zoolzoo on Mon, 04 March 2013, 15:49:54
Quote from: Hyde on Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:46:55
I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?

Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Im trying that right now. Honestly I dont think its making much of a difference at all. As far as technique I think you are right though.

So my ghetto lube method doesn't work eh? I guess you have to do it properly and open it up

I think it works. I mean it is def getting lube down into the contact points. But I personally am not feeling much of a difference compared to the unlubed switches...maybe you will.

So I tried pulling the switch off the board, it seemed tougher than it should be...felt like i was squeezing too hard on the switch with pliers..not getting enough grip to pull it off. Bah!

daerid · « **Reply #86 on:** Tue, 05 March 2013, 12:50:01 »

well I got mine in. I must say, I really like the feel of these switches. Makes me more interested in getting my hands on a Topre short throw. Although the lack of a Windows key is really a PITA on Windows 8

And totally right about the lube. These things feel dry as hell.

I immediately opened it up when I got, and noticed that the tiny little daughter board with the chip seemed the right size to swap out with a teensy++. I think I just might get my hands dirty and make this little bad boy reprogrammable.

poxeclipse · « **Reply #87 on:** Tue, 12 March 2013, 14:39:33 »

Quote from: uzoc on Sat, 23 February 2013, 10:59:18

Quote from: poxeclipse on Sat, 23 February 2013, 10:11:01
I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.

Where to get the keycaps, any tips, search terms, models?

These guys have hundreds of G84 parts, just check their items for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-CHERRY-G84-4137TAAIT-KEYBOARDS-/281064559680?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item4170c0d440.

You might get them for $5 each, like here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHERRY-G84-4127TAAUS-G84-4137-83-KEY-REPLACEMENT-KEYBOARD-NEW-/230848010492?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bf9d18fc. Check the price for what was already sold.

Hyde · « **Reply #88 on:** Tue, 12 March 2013, 22:23:48 »

My friend in the states hasn't send me my keyboard yet, huhuhuhuhuhuuuuuuu

Quote from: daerid on Tue, 05 March 2013, 12:50:01

well I got mine in. I must say, I really like the feel of these switches. Makes me more interested in getting my hands on a Topre short throw. Although the lack of a Windows key is really a PITA on Windows 8 And totally right about the lube. These things feel dry as hell.

Ctrl + Esc = Window Key in windows 7, I'm not sure if the shortcut is still the same in windows 8 but should give it a shot

metalliqaz · « **Reply #89 on:** Tue, 12 March 2013, 22:56:31 »

Ctrl+Esc != windows key. It only opens the start menu.

Hyde · « **Reply #90 on:** Tue, 12 March 2013, 23:06:37 »

lol ahhhhh time to use autohotkey then

poxeclipse · « **Reply #91 on:** Sat, 23 March 2013, 06:51:20 »

Quote from: uzoc on Sat, 23 February 2013, 10:59:18

Quote from: poxeclipse on Sat, 23 February 2013, 10:11:01
I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.

Where to get the keycaps, any tips, search terms, models?

Some full size keyboards with ML switches:
http://www.keyboardspecialists.co.uk/Shop/KBS/Product/2900/G84-5200/CherryG84-5200CompactDesktopKeyboard%22XSComplete%22.aspx

Hyde · « **Reply #92 on:** Sat, 23 March 2013, 16:38:24 »

lol that look interesting, though my $16 keyboard hasn't arrive yet so I can't even tell if I like the switch or not.

Need to go hussle my friend in the US to send it quick

zoolzoo · « **Reply #93 on:** Mon, 25 March 2013, 12:41:07 »

Still loving my G84 at work. ML is a nice switch.

TheQsanity · « **Reply #94 on:** Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:29:30 »

Comming from reds and browns, the G84 is to heavy.

btw Hyde, I think the Artisan Zero mousepad is very good and you should try it out.

morpheus · « **Reply #95 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:07:08 »

Just got this in the mail.

I tried to like this board, but I don't think I can use it on a daily basis. The switch itself was not too shabby, but I can't get used to the short throw after using Blue/Brown/Buckling Spring.

PointyFox · « **Reply #96 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:08:50 »

I'm using mine at work. It looks nice and doesn't take up a lot of room.

TheQsanity · « **Reply #97 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:09:11 »

try to see if you can get used to it for a week maybe?

Hyde · « **Reply #98 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:23:54 »

Quote from: TheQsanity on Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:29:30

Comming from reds and browns, the G84 is to heavy.

btw Hyde, I think the Artisan Zero mousepad is very good and you should try it out.

Lol damn it I was using brown and red before. Though I could use quiet alps from matias which is heavier so I think I might be ok.

Haha yeah I was debating to whether get artisan zero next or puretrak stealth after. Though I have a feeling I will eventually have to try both

PointyFox · « **Reply #99 on:** Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:40:15 »

The actuation force is the same with MX brown and ML. I think both are 45 cN.

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Author Topic: Why no love for Cherry ML Switch? (Read 67066 times)