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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #150 on: Mon, 03 March 2014, 12:55:56 »
Wasn't trying to be hostile, just trying to correct that small thing since I've seen it being repeated. 

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« Reply #151 on: Mon, 03 March 2014, 14:16:05 »
I did not mean you were hostile, but english is not my mother tongue so it always takes me more time to post things, mainly when using words I only recently learned : to lube = lubrifier, so you lube with lube ? correct ?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #152 on: Mon, 03 March 2014, 14:32:38 »
I did not mean you were hostile, but english is not my mother tongue so it always takes me more time to post things, mainly when using words I only recently learned : to lube = lubrifier, so you lube with lube ? correct ?
In English, the the noun is ‘lubricant’ and the verb is ‘to lubricate’. These get shortened to ‘lube’ and ‘to lube’. The other forms would be ‘lubed’, ‘lubing’, etc.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #153 on: Mon, 03 March 2014, 14:35:19 »
I did not mean you were hostile, but english is not my mother tongue so it always takes me more time to post things, mainly when using words I only recently learned : to lube = lubrifier, so you lube with lube ? correct ?

Ah, ok. I haven't done much French anything in years, so I misread the tone of your comment.  The language issue plus the fact that it's the impersonal internet can make things come off differently.

Yes, you lube with lube.  So you will lube your keyboard, you are lubing your keyboard, you lubed your keyboard.  It's one of those verbs where you don't add a second letter of the ending consonant when you conjugate.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #154 on: Mon, 03 March 2014, 21:44:24 »
That sounds cool! I'm still using the stock black Alps, but one of my upcoming projects is to swap in New Matias click Alps switches into one. I've always preferred the clicky Alps versions myself.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #155 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 05:07:19 »
I'm now starting to get a bit of an itch to design an 84 key board with alps switches... i forgot how much i like typing on alps. They have a nice mechanical pop to them.

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« Reply #156 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 14:08:37 »
I'm now starting to get a bit of an itch to design an 84 key board with alps switches... i forgot how much i like typing on alps. They have a nice mechanical pop to them.

I'm the same, I've been day-dreaming about doing this, but have yet to make the commitment to start.  The main thing for me is I love my back-lighting, and this makes the project considerably more complicated.  So I'm not sure I would get enough enjoyment out of the board for the investment in time and money.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #157 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 14:30:15 »
AT102W owner here. The ISO (102) layout seems very rare. Black complicated tactile ALPS. Currently looking for a complete ISO set of blank ALPS caps.

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Luckily I have an old broken AT102W with about 100 ALPS switches. I'd like to keep a few for when i need to perform surgery on mine (happened under the black caps), but if anyone needs one or two, I could perhaps take them off.

I have an AT102w too. What kind paint did you use to paint it?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #158 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 14:51:30 »
I have an AT102w too. What kind paint did you use to paint it?

AT101Ws came in black, presumably 102s did also.
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« Reply #159 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:48:22 »
I'm now starting to get a bit of an itch to design an 84 key board with alps switches... i forgot how much i like typing on alps. They have a nice mechanical pop to them.

About time to necro this thread.

My Filco Zero (thanks Moose!) now has blue Alps.
But what’s wrong with inequality, anyway? Answers to this question are rarely satisfying, but they do serve as a political litmus test about the kind of inequality that matters. A Marxist might concern herself with how economic inequality divides society into classes, allowing capitalists to wield wealth as a weapon, disempower workers, and extract their labor. The humanitarian position tends to prioritize sufficiency of resources and basic rights; feminists, environmentalists, and advocates for the undocumented, the disabled, and minorities would say social inequalities matter, too, and that part of the problem with economic inequality is that it reinforces them.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #160 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 02:52:35 »
I'm now starting to get a bit of an itch to design an 84 key board with alps switches... i forgot how much i like typing on alps. They have a nice mechanical pop to them.

About time to necro this thread.

My Filco Zero (thanks Moose!) now has blue Alps.

Nice! How long did it take to switch it(question for Moose)?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #161 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 07:02:11 »
Nice! How long did it take to switch it?

I did the switch transplant. Removing the old ones is much harder than installing the new ones.

Depending on how efficient you are, I would suggest allowing an hour each for removing switches from the 2 boards and another hour for installing the new ones. If you are good and have good tools you might cut those times in half.

For me, when I have the thing completely apart, I use the opportunity to do a thorough cleaning, and often paint the plate, too.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #162 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 07:13:35 »
Nice! How long did it take to switch it?

I did the switch transplant. Removing the old ones is much harder than installing the new ones.

Depending on how efficient you are, I would suggest allowing an hour each for removing switches from the 2 boards and another hour for installing the new ones. If you are good and have good tools you might cut those times in half.

For me, when I have the thing completely apart, I use the opportunity to do a thorough cleaning, and often paint the plate, too.

nice. I switch swapped on two of my keyboards. one alps (dell at102w) and one cherry mx (CM QF XT). I have used a weller desoldering iron and I find it to be very easy to do with that tool.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #163 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 07:18:17 »
I switch swapped on two of my keyboards. one alps (dell at102w)

My tools are the cheapest possible crap, but they do OK.

I filled a Dell AT101W with orange Alps from an old Apple, and whoever had built the Dell had bent over *every single leg* of every switch and I am not kidding.

Afterwards it is a fantastically sweet board, however!
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #164 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 08:37:41 »
I filled a Dell AT101W with orange Alps from an old Apple, and whoever had built the Dell had bent over *every single leg* of every switch and I am not kidding.

This is also my experience with all 4 of the AT101Ws I have taken apart.  It is quite annoying when you compare the work required to get these bent legged switches out compared to straight legged ones.
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« Reply #165 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 09:36:54 »
I filled a Dell AT101W with orange Alps from an old Apple, and whoever had built the Dell had bent over *every single leg* of every switch and I am not kidding.

This is also my experience with all 4 of the AT101Ws I have taken apart.  It is quite annoying when you compare the work required to get these bent legged switches out compared to straight legged ones.


I have done a few as well. Usually I find only 5%-10% bent over, randomly around the board.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #166 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 14:28:07 »
I don’t find unbending the leads to be *that* bad, once I came up with a strategy for it. Here’s what I do:

(1) Remove the solder as with any unbent lead; I use a soldapullt. Do this for the whole board.
(2) Stick the pointy bent end of a little bent dental pick under a bent-over lead, apply a soldering iron to the lead/pad, and pry upward a bit until the lead unsticks from the pad/hole. At this point the lead is detached from the pad but still bent over. Do this for all bent leads. Usually it doesn’t take much pressure to unstick the lead from the pad and this is very easy; sometimes it’s tricky when the pad wants to lift up off the board. Don’t let it.
(3) Use a pair of small snipe-nosed pliers to unbend each bent lead.
(4) Verify that all leads are properly unstuck from the circuit board, and remove any screws holding the circuit board to the plate, etc., then just pick the circuit board up, as it should be completely loose now.
(5) Carefully remove the switches from the plate. If the plate is tight, then for Alps switches try to push the little plastic "wings" in on one side and then on the other while pulling the switch out of the plate, as otherwise they have a tendency to break.

On average, a switch with bent-over leads takes about twice as much effort to remove as one where the leads are straight. This is annoying, but not impossibly bad.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #167 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 04:00:34 »
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« Reply #168 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 09:20:51 »
IBM M 1390131 ALPS SKCM blue switches,Nov 86

Pictures, or it didn't happen.
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« Reply #169 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 09:23:50 »
Agreed, please show us some pictures :D
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« Reply #170 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:03:02 »
Agreed, please show us some pictures :D

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« Reply #171 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:06:52 »
IBM blue alps that's cool and weird at the same time.

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« Reply #172 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:21:04 »
Mind-blowing.

The 1390131 always was my favorite, I am astonished that this did not get a different model number.

Are those keycaps all the same profile? Even more implausible!

Now we can start dreaming about 2-piece Alps keys with interchangeable caps!
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #173 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:30:25 »
ALPS fans  :D IBM M 1390131 ALPS SKCM blue switches,Nov 86
You have me pretty confused about how you made this picture. Could you please take a picture of one keycap from each row from the side and one keycap from each row from the bottom? (i.e. just pull them off and set them next to each other on a table)

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« Reply #174 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:30:41 »
That's definitely a mod. A nice mod, though.
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« Reply #175 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 20:42:55 »
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« Reply #176 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 21:24:30 »


That's definitely a mod. A nice mod, though.

That or they stuck a different keyboard into the case.



My thought too.  Not the video, but the fakeness of it.

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« Reply #177 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 22:34:53 »
The logo gives it away. It's not set into the plastic, but on top of it. Seems to be little more than one of those Model M case look-alikes with the IBM badge glued on top. The keycaps likely came from an IBM PS/2 luggable, since they often used ALPS or ALPS mount switches.
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« Reply #178 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 00:18:51 »
The donor board is sort of interesting though... Costar-style stabilizers, and matching the 1390131 layout exactly.
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« Reply #179 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 00:49:42 »
The donor board is sort of interesting though... Costar-style stabilizers, and matching the 1390131 layout exactly.
I’m also curious about that. Most of the Alps boards I’ve seen with costar-style stabilizers had a “bigass enter” key.

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« Reply #180 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 01:07:59 »
The logo gives it away. It's not set into the plastic, but on top of it. Seems to be little more than one of those Model M case look-alikes with the IBM badge glued on top. The keycaps likely came from an IBM PS/2 luggable, since they often used ALPS or ALPS mount switches.
No, the keycaps are definitely not the same as the ones on a P70/P75 luggable.

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« Reply #181 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 01:46:38 »
I have used and really liked the Matias Quiet Alps.

They are however very heavy in my opinion. Because of this they are probably not for everyone. I still really like them, but eventually decided against using them as my daily driver. Some people on this forum described them as though they feel like browns. In my own opinion, this is very inaccurate.
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« Reply #182 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 01:58:47 »
I agree Matias switches are of a medium-heavy weight. I personally would prefer them if they were maybe 10 grams-force less to actuate. You can change the stiffness by replacing the spring or cutting some loops off.
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« Reply #183 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 02:40:28 »
That Alps IBM Model M … just, wow.

The top row keycaps are too tall, presumably to compensate for not having a curved PCB and plate. The legends are spot on, though.

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« Reply #184 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 03:20:19 »
In IRC, we’re pretty much all convinced it’s a photoshop job. Pretty cutely done though.

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« Reply #185 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 03:24:30 »
If it's Photoshopped, why would you draw the IBM badge incorrectly?
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« Reply #186 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 18:13:00 »
If that's done in Photoshop, then he's gone to a lot of trouble to get the SysRq legend consistently wrong in both of the photos it appears in.
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« Reply #187 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 20:07:15 »
Had me going, there for a while.

So, is it agreed that this is a hoax?

The photo show inconsistencies in heights and fit, but it was pretty clever anyway!
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« Reply #188 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 21:33:59 »
Had me going, there for a while.

So, is it agreed that this is a hoax?

The photo show inconsistencies in heights and fit, but it was pretty clever anyway!
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« Reply #189 on: Thu, 21 August 2014, 14:31:16 »
Please be patient...
I will take pictures and upload all pictures, including key caps, circuit boards and case
Uh huh...

Cute prank though. Kudos.

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« Reply #190 on: Sun, 24 August 2014, 23:07:30 »
U are Right :D
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« Reply #191 on: Mon, 25 August 2014, 06:14:49 »
Was this a commercial product, then, or a demonstration?
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« Reply #192 on: Thu, 28 August 2014, 23:12:14 »
Ok, just to change directions a bit from this fake IBM Alps nonsense for a sec and going back to the Matias talk.

I recently bought an Omnikey 102 locally and decided to restore it. All the switches are good except one. So I decide why not try the only company that still makes Alps switches, Matias (seemed alot easier than finding a used parts-only board.)

The results are not even close. I had read someone on this forum that mentioned a hollow sound from the Matias clickies that thought maybe it was because the Matias boards were all PCB mounted. This is not the case, this keyboard the keys are mounted on a thick plate of steel. I'm sure they are great to type on but they are not drop-in replacements for complicated white alps for anyone doing restorations on those type of boards.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #193 on: Thu, 28 August 2014, 23:37:14 »
The sound and feel is remarkably dependent on the system they're in.

The same Matias switches sounded very different in a Dell AT101W (super-thick steel plate) and a Ducky 1008XM (thin plate and PCB).  Neither sounded quite like the Simplified Whites on a like-new Focus 2001.

I will also suggest wear and dirt and age-- if one switch is fully defunct, others may have a fair bit of mileage on them.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #194 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 00:26:29 »
The results are not even close. I had read someone on this forum that mentioned a hollow sound from the Matias clickies that thought maybe it was because the Matias boards were all PCB mounted. This is not the case, this keyboard the keys are mounted on a thick plate of steel. I'm sure they are great to type on but they are not drop-in replacements for complicated white alps for anyone doing restorations on those type of boards.
Matias clicky switches feel somewhat similar to complicated Alps switches, but they definitely don’t sound the same. This is because they have only two little pieces of metal for the actual switch contact, instead of a very complicated switchplate assembly. I still like them though.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #195 on: Sat, 30 August 2014, 07:11:42 »


Chicony KB 7000. Complicated whites. Used and loved it for many years!

Don't ask me how, but I lost the top part of the case when I moved.  :'(

Probably just going to snatch all the switches out of it and grab the doubleshots as I don't use it anymore due to sheer size.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #196 on: Sat, 30 August 2014, 12:59:21 »
My latest and first Complicated White ALPS board: Focus FK-2001. Bought it on ebay in like new condition.



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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #197 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 09:39:58 »

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #198 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 19:14:46 »
NEC PK-KB015 ALPS SKCL yellow switch[NIB] :p

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #199 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 19:18:54 »
NEC PK-KB015 ALPS SKCL yellow switch[NIB] :p

That is one wonky looking board.  Love it.  How do you like the Yellow Alps?