Should Obama be impeached?

[microsoft windows]

Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

[SpAmRaY]

Will never happen 'they' would say it was racist.....

[microsoft windows]

I think Obama's a racist.

[boost]

O_O

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

First: impeach every member of Congress. Replace them with people who actually have, you know, intelligence...

Then: if things don't improve, impeach Obama. Replace him with someone who actually has, you know, intelligence...

[microsoft windows]

If Obama wasn't here, there wouldn't even be the Obamacare problem which divided and polarized America and caused the people to vote for a divided Congress.

[SpAmRaY]

Where is Tarzan?...I know he has something to add to the discussion.

[iAmAhab]

Could you elaborate on why you think he should be impeached. I'm not up to speed on American politics.

[Krogenar]

Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

On what basis? Is it the fact that he's fired more cruise missiles than all other nobel laureates combined? All the stuff that Democrats and "progressives" wailed about while Bush was in office, Obama does, and they don't even react.

Oops, I just criticized the first black president -- it should be (checks watch) about five more posts before I'm labeled a racist.

[Krogenar]

If Obama wasn't here, there wouldn't even be the Obamacare problem which divided and polarized America and caused the people to vote for a divided Congress.

Oh boy, politics is "broken"? No, no it's not. What Obama wants is to spend America into an existential crisis from which a new, socialist state can emerge from the ashes. Except it won't. We'll all just have ashes. How do you reach a "compromise" on whether or not to pull the trigger on national economic suicide? You don't -- you obstruct the guy who wants to destroy us, period. So I'm all for gridlock. Bring on gridlock. If my choice is flying over a fiscal cliff, or crashing into the guardrail, I'll take the guardrail.

[tufty]

Wow, you Americans are ****ing mental.

[Michael]

Wow, you people are ****ing mental.

FTFY. Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.

[MTManiac]

Wow, you BANKING CARTELS are ****ing mental.

fixed that for ya

[Findecanor]

Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

Why? Did he have oral sex with an intern?

[MKULTRA]

Lol that escalated quickly.

[kenmai9]

Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

[Michael]

Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

Best president ever.

[tufty]

Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.

Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"), am looking on at the situation in the US with a mixture of incredulity and abject horror.  Access to basic health care is predicated not on need, but on ability to pay - this is an utterly inhumane system, and it boggles the mind that anyone not currently profiting from that system is stupid enough to try and defend it - it's utterly indefensible.  The reason that Obamacare is in a mess is not because it's unworkable (it's not, look at health care systems across, again, the civilised world), but because of vested interests trying to make it so.  This largely comes down to the GOP "fighting the good fight" to keep the healthcare cartels in business.  Not fighting "for your freedom", or even in the interests of fiscal policy, but fighting on a purely ideological basis that anything Obama says or does is wrong.  Hell, the original ACA bill, before it got cut to ****ing ribbons by amendment after interest-loaded amendment, was a carbon copy of what the Republicans had themselves been calling for in 1993.  And now the ****wits are holding the entire country to ransom.  But this is somehow Obama's fault.

So yes, you Americans are mental.  Those, like our trollworthy friend Mr Windows and Krogenar* who seem to consider Obamacare an abomination because - well, because that's a completely mental stance to take, and those who are on the other side because you haven't taken your plentiful supply of weapons and started forcefully ejecting the scum that are making your country a worse place for everyone.

It's worth considering that the gap between the rich and the poor in the US is arguably wider now than it was in pre-revolutionary France, and the situation is only getting worse.  1789 didn't work out too well for the rich, and their poor only had pitchforks.

* Who does at least appear to believe what he's saying - whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.

[Michael]

Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.

Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"), am looking on at the situation in the US with a mixture of incredulity and abject horror.  Access to basic health care is predicated not on need, but on ability to pay - this is an utterly inhumane system, and it boggles the mind that anyone not currently profiting from that system is stupid enough to try and defend it - it's utterly indefensible.  The reason that Obamacare is in a mess is not because it's unworkable (it's not, look at health care systems across, again, the civilised world), but because of vested interests trying to make it so.  This largely comes down to the GOP "fighting the good fight" to keep the healthcare cartels in business.  Not fighting "for your freedom", or even in the interests of fiscal policy, but fighting on a purely ideological basis that anything Obama says or does is wrong.  Hell, the original ACA bill, before it got cut to ****ing ribbons by amendment after interest-loaded amendment, was a carbon copy of what the Republicans had themselves been calling for in 1993.  And now the ****wits are holding the entire country to ransom.  But this is somehow Obama's fault.

So yes, you Americans are mental.  Those, like our trollworthy friend Mr Windows and Krogenar* who seem to consider Obamacare an abomination because - well, because that's a completely mental stance to take, and those who are on the other side because you haven't taken your plentiful supply of weapons and started forcefully ejecting the scum that are making your country a worse place for everyone.

It's worth considering that the gap between the rich and the poor in the US is arguably wider now than it was in pre-revolutionary France, and the situation is only getting worse.  1789 didn't work out too well for the rich, and their poor only had pitchforks.

* Who does at least appear to believe what he's saying - whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.

Judging from your rant, I would have to say you're a bit mental.


Also, cool story. Bro.

[microsoft windows]

Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.

Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"), am looking on at the situation in the US with a mixture of incredulity and abject horror.  Access to basic health care is predicated not on need, but on ability to pay - this is an utterly inhumane system, and it boggles the mind that anyone not currently profiting from that system is stupid enough to try and defend it - it's utterly indefensible.  The reason that Obamacare is in a mess is not because it's unworkable (it's not, look at health care systems across, again, the civilised world), but because of vested interests trying to make it so.  This largely comes down to the GOP "fighting the good fight" to keep the healthcare cartels in business.  Not fighting "for your freedom", or even in the interests of fiscal policy, but fighting on a purely ideological basis that anything Obama says or does is wrong.  Hell, the original ACA bill, before it got cut to ****ing ribbons by amendment after interest-loaded amendment, was a carbon copy of what the Republicans had themselves been calling for in 1993.  And now the ****wits are holding the entire country to ransom.  But this is somehow Obama's fault.

So yes, you Americans are mental.  Those, like our trollworthy friend Mr Windows and Krogenar* who seem to consider Obamacare an abomination because - well, because that's a completely mental stance to take, and those who are on the other side because you haven't taken your plentiful supply of weapons and started forcefully ejecting the scum that are making your country a worse place for everyone.

It's worth considering that the gap between the rich and the poor in the US is arguably wider now than it was in pre-revolutionary France, and the situation is only getting worse.  1789 didn't work out too well for the rich, and their poor only had pitchforks.

* Who does at least appear to believe what he's saying - whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.

Quite frankly, you don't live in the United States. So how do you think you know more about political affairs that go on here than us Americans do?

Maybe you should read about how Obamacare was passed. Or about the numerous glitches and wasteful spending in it. Or, even better, how about your country's government's wonderful fiscal situation?

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

^+1

[demik]

Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

[kenmai9]

I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

[SpAmRaY]

I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Anarchy.

[kenmai9]

I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

I think this will only happen when:

1. We run out of oil
2. We run out of food
3. We run out of water

Otherwise I think Americans are too lazy to do anything like revolt for real. We got football (the real kind) to watch.

[MTManiac]

Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

Why? Did he have oral sex with an intern?

you mean the only jewish girl who doesn't know how to get a stain out of a dress?

Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

I have a dream...

[demik]

I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

Have you seen what these pigs do to people? Good luck revolting.

We could start with getting rid of this 2 party system. Holding politicians accountable for their actions. Having them be truly transparent with who is giving them money and why they are voting the way they are

And on a local level, holding cops and their unions accountable for their brutality and itchy trigger fingers.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

Have you seen what these pigs do to people? Good luck revolting.

We could start with getting rid of this 2 party system. Holding politicians accountable for their actions. Having them be truly transparent with who is giving them money and why they are voting the way they are

And on a local level, holding cops and their unions accountable for their brutality and itchy trigger fingers.

As I said in another thread:

We need to stop electing people based on what party they are in.

If the government was smart, they would abolish this bi-partisan system and just say that all politicians are part of the "Jackass" party. No more of this "oh, it's the democrats fault" or "it's the republicans fault". IT'S ALL OF YOUR DAMN FAULTS AND YOU'RE ALL MEMBERS OF THE JACKASS PARTY!!!

[tufty]

Quite frankly, you don't live in the United States. So how do you think you know more about political affairs that go on here than us Americans do?

I'd wager I've forgotten more about politics in general, and probably US politics in particular, than you'll ever know.  As for how I keep up to date with what's going on from my little hidey-hole here in communist frenchystan, I've discovered this miracle of modern technology called "the internet".  You could try it, but you might not like it - initially it looks a bit like Fox News, but once you scratch the surface it's full of all sorts of nasty things like dissenting opinions and, lord forbid, facts.

Maybe you should read about how Obamacare was passed.

I know all about how Obamacare was passed.  And how it was hobbled prior to being passed, and how the Republicans are trying to kill what started off as, and still contains at its heart, the most decent piece of law the US has seen in the last 20 years.  Yes, there are glitches in it, many of which are due to GOP filibustering and obstruction, but what piece of law /doesn't/ have glitches?  What government program /doesn't/ have wasteful spending?

Or, even better, how about your country's government's wonderful fiscal situation?

I don't actually consider myself as having a country. I do have a passport, but it doesn't come from where you think it does.  As for France's fiscal situation - currently better than the US's for the majority of indicators.

[swill]

Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

One can only hope. Unfortunately it would be bad for business because then they can't fill their privatized prisons.

There is no reason to empeach Obama.

[MTManiac]

Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

Please name a country that is NOT a republic (run by Big Business), Dictators or Royalty (big business from years ago)?

[JPG]

Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

Please name a country that is NOT a republic (run by Big Business), Dictators or Royalty (big business from years ago)?

Probably somewhere in Afrika where it's run by terrorist or the likes. Yea, not for the better really.

I think that one of the problem is money itself. It makes stealing so much easier. Much harder to steal 200 cars or many fields of crop.

[demik]

What's your point? Because almost all are we should sit back? I know it's not a US problem but this thread is specific to the US so I'm putting in my two cents.

[MTManiac]

Quite frankly, you don't live in the United States. So how do you think you know more about political affairs that go on here than us Americans do?

I'd wager I've forgotten more about politics in general, and probably US politics in particular, than you'll ever know.  As for how I keep up to date with what's going on from my little hidey-hole here in communist frenchystan, I've discovered this miracle of modern technology called "the internet".  You could try it, but you might not like it - initially it looks a bit like Fox News, but once you scratch the surface it's full of all sorts of nasty things like dissenting opinions and, lord forbid, facts.

Maybe you should read about how Obamacare was passed.

I know all about how Obamacare was passed.  And how it was hobbled prior to being passed, and how the Republicans are trying to kill what started off as, and still contains at its heart, the most decent piece of law the US has seen in the last 20 years.  Yes, there are glitches in it, many of which are due to GOP filibustering and obstruction, but what piece of law /doesn't/ have glitches?  What government program /doesn't/ have wasteful spending?

Or, even better, how about your country's government's wonderful fiscal situation?

I don't actually consider myself as having a country. I do have a passport, but it doesn't come from where you think it does.  As for France's fiscal situation - currently better than the US's for the majority of indicators.

Don't waste too much of your time with MW, as trolls go he's definitely an antagonistic one.

Working as an auditor for the Legislature sure gives you an insider's look at how things are viewed from that side of the Ivory Tower.

I'd take the South of France any day!

[Krogenar]

Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.

Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I'm going to take a deep breath and then tackle criticism of the American system levied by a French person.
(massages temples lightly)
Ok, here I go.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"),

Ok, so you're suggesting that North Korea is more likely of being lumped into what we call "the civilized world" than America.

That is such a breathtakingly stupid thing to say, I don't think the rest of your argument could be of any value whatsoever.

North Korea is a police state, where political prisoners are thrown in concentration camps to be worked to death. For you to include them in "the civilized world" is absolute proof of your complete and utter ignorance of reality. Think I'm joking around? Consider North Korea's Hoeryong Concentration Camp, where a former guard states that the inmates resemble "walking skeletons, dwarfs, and cripples in rags. Ahn estimates that about 30% of the prisoners have deformities, such as torn off ears, smashed eyes, crooked noses, and faces covered with cuts and scars resulting from beatings and other mistreatment. Around 2,000 prisoners he says have missing limbs, but even prisoners who need crutches to walk must still work."

For you, tufty, to even consider comparing America to North Korea means you don't know the facts. So why would I debate with someone so desperately, obviously ignorant? Go ahead and look down your nose at America, at least I know North Korea is a waking nightmare.

[demik]

That was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. To actually think somebody believes that is ridiculous.

[Krogenar]

That was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. To actually think somebody believes that is ridiculous.

Maybe so, maybe not. I joke about a lot of stuff demik, but to joke about North Korea, and then expect to be taken seriously is just not possible. It means you're not serious about politics. And that's fine, tufty can say whatever he wants, but I can't take him seriously. A few posts back he said he had "forgotten more about U.S. politics" than some of us would ever know. Really? Did he know North Korea is one of (if not the) most repressive state on the planet? He seems to have forgotten that bit.

Was he engaging in hyperbole? Maybe, but most people don't joke about children with cancer, they just know better. Don't pontificate after making light of North Korea. That puts you squarely in douche-land.

[MTManiac]

That was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. To actually think somebody believes that is ridiculous.

Maybe so, maybe not. I joke about a lot of stuff demik, but to joke about North Korea, and then expect to be taken seriously is just not possible. It means you're not serious about politics. And that's fine, tufty can say whatever he wants, but I can't take him seriously. A few posts back he said he had "forgotten more about U.S. politics" than some of us would ever know. Really? Did he know North Korea is one of (if not the) most repressive state on the planet? He seems to have forgotten that bit.

Was he engaging in hyperbole? Maybe, but most people don't joke about children with cancer, they just know better. Don't pontificate after making light of North Korea. That puts you squarely in douche-land.

Damn it Krogenar, quit making valid points.
When they treat the blood diamond slaves better than Kim Jong Un treats his own citizens, you have to seriously /boggle
(I seriously hope his NK comment was tongue-in-cheek but you can never know. Where is that Sarcasm font at?)

Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

Please name a country that is NOT a republic (run by Big Business), Dictators or Royalty (big business from years ago)?

Probably somewhere in Afrika where it's run by terrorist or the likes. Yea, not for the better really.

I think that one of the problem is money itself. It makes stealing so much easier. Much harder to steal 200 cars or many fields of crop.

Very good, there are only 3 countries in the world which aren't either a "Republic" or a "Monarchy"
Central African Republic, Egypt & Fiji

[Dubsgalore]

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote 

[tufty]

Was he engaging in hyperbole?

Yes (but not by much).  Next question.

[HoffmanMyster]

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote 

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

[demik]

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote 

Wait.  You're independent. Hate politics but youre already making up your mind on who to vote before you even hear their policies?? I don't even.

[Krogenar]

Was he engaging in hyperbole?

Yes (but not by much).

Please expand on your statement if you have the stones. It was hyperbole, but not by much? How so?

Next question.

That's a good idea.

Anyway! Here's why Obama should be impeached -- not only does Obama not enforce the laws of the country (immigration laws) he has instructed his cronies to dynamically reinvent them as he goes along. The prime example of this is Obama's direction to Attorney General Eric Holder to not enforce drug laws concerning minor drug offenses. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/holder-seeks-to-avert-mandatory-minimum-sentences-for-some-low-level-drug-offenders/2013/08/11/343850c2-012c-11e3-96a8-d3b921c0924a_story.html) From that article:

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced Monday that low-level, nonviolent drug offenders with no ties to gangs or large-scale drug organizations will no longer be charged with offenses that impose severe mandatory sentences.

I don't agree with the drug laws in this country, but I do believe that the law is what the laws says it is, not what a President decides it means. The President is charged with upholding the laws of this country all the time, not just when it suits him. The correct way to handle bad laws is to repeal them, rewrite them, or make new laws -- using the legislature. But that's all very passe for Barack Obama -- the law is a suggestion, a way for him to do what he wants, when he wants to do it.

Look at all the ObamaCare exemptions Obama has handed out to his cronies, unions and supporters. Since when does the government have the right to amend a law as they see fit? It's a horrible law, but it's okay -- the political class in this country won't be affected, because Obama will give them a special dispensation.

When a president of the United States openly erodes the rule of law itself, he needs to be removed.

[Krogenar]

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote 

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

Don't do it! I voted for Perot and ended up putting Clinton in office! Vote Republican because they've done less to flush the country down the toilet than the Democrats. Sure, they're gutless and kill puppies for fun, but at least with them in office there's a slim, slim chance the government won't get any bigger.

Wait.  You're independent. Hate politics but youre already making up your mind on who to vote before you even hear their policies?? I don't even.

Low-information voters tend to describe themselves as moderates or independents.

[demik]

Impeached != removed from office

clinton was impeached

Krog are you a tea party libertard?

[Krogenar]

Impeached != removed from office

clinton was impeached

That is true. Previous to Clinton, only Nixon was impeached, and he voluntarily resigned in disgrace as a consequence. Clinton, never having a shred of dignity or grace and caring only for retaining power at any cost, remained in office after his impeachment. The sanctity of the office of the President of the United States (and its carpeting) meant nothing to B.J. Clinton. Thanks for reminding me, demik. Those were disgusting times.

Krog are you a tea party libertard?

Do you mean a libtard? I'm a libertarian, but tend to vote Republican. I don't agree with all Republicans, but from my perspective and experience, economic liberty is the prime freedom from which all others may be derived. Republicans tend to support free and open markets; democrats typically do not. I support gay marriage, more relaxed drugs laws, etc. I don't smoke, rarely drink, and have no tattoos -- but if that's your bag, go on and do it. As for drugs, go ahead and broil your brain in a stew of toxins -- just don't expect me to pay for your rehabilitation. Socially, I'm very "liberal" (classic definition of the word) but I'm conservative about fiscal policy. The Tea Party, by and large, support fiscal sanity, and I support that goal.

[mauri]

donno bout obama but I sure do like them peaches tasty lil suckers

[demik]

Alright. So you support the tea party.  Noted.

[HoffmanMyster]

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote 

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

Don't do it!

Too late.  Maybe it's because I'm young and naive, but I can't bring myself to vote for either of the big parties.  I choose to vote for the person I prefer rather than the lesser of two evils.  Maybe that will change with time.