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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:49:21 »
Alright. So you support the tea party.  Noted.

How would you classify yourself, demik? LIV?
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:49:31 »
if you have the stones
Sure.

North Korea is a pretty horrible place.  I'd probably go so far as to say it's one of the most horrible places in the world.  I mean, it's really ****ing appalling, like most, if not all, military dictatorships.  Hell, it might even be worse than Belgium.

Although it's not quite on the same scale, the US, however, isn't really one to start waving it's hands in the air over human rights, is it? 

Death penalty?  Check. 
Death penalty for crimes committed as a minor?  Check, I believe, although the last execution was in 2003.
Death penalty for the mentally retarded?  Only outlawed in 2002.
Torture?  Check. 
Kidnapping and imprisonment without due process of US and foreign nationals, both within and outside of US territory? Check.
Life imprisonment without possibility of parole for minors?  Check
Spying on US and foreign citizens without due process?  Check. 
Highest number of prisoners WRT population on the planet?  Check.
And so on.

It's worth noting that the US is the only developed country, and the only country with a functional government, not to have ratified the UNCRC.

After all, the US is one of the 2 remaining superpowers, a developed and supposedly enlightened country based on the principles of humanism and freedom.  North Korea is an underdeveloped pariah state in a constant state of war, ruled by a military dictatorship without the slightest redeeming feature.

What I was really getting at, though, is that the US was the place where dissidents from behind the iron curtain dreamt of going, where they went if they had the chance.  As such, it's rather ironic that a major US dissident is currently holed up in Moscow (Russia, of course, is hardly a shining example of good governance either)

Oddly enough, NK has a free public health care system, although like most things in that particular hellhole, it's crumbled to a state of almost total dysfunction and bribery is pretty much required to get even the most basic care.  That's not a failure of public health care, though, it's a failure of a government that has no ****ing idea.

As for suggesting not enforcing imprisonment for minor drug offences, that's good fiscal policy.  The US has enough prisoners being anally raped, already, and prosecuting people for weed possession costs a ****load.

I'm a communist, by the way.  An actual, card-holding, dyed in the wool communist.  Lock up your children.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:50:58 »
This thread is stupid.... no one has come up with any legitimate reason for impeachment...

And no one is even talking about Obama....

You're just angrily circle jerking each other for no reason.... 

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:54:55 »
Oddly enough, NK has a free public health care system,

... right, so we can overlook the death camps. I mean, sure they have concentration camps where people are worked to death, beaten, raped, subjected to medical experiments, etc. -- but free healthcare!

Maybe the trains run on time, too?

Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:59:05 »
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:03:49 »
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.

^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?


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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:05:23 »
Oddly enough, NK has a free public health care system,

... right, so we can overlook the death camps. I mean, sure they have concentration camps where people are worked to death, beaten, raped, subjected to medical experiments, etc. -- but free healthcare!

Maybe the trains run on time, too?

Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.

It's really not that different..  The funnel up system of politics is the same wherever you go..

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:05:50 »


^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

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I would rather whine about your lame animated gif's on every one of your posts. But that would prove fruitless, just like most everyone's posts here. It's not going to make a real difference.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:09:28 »


^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

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I would rather whine about your lame animated gif's on every one of your posts. But that would prove fruitless, just like most everyone's posts here. It's not going to make a real difference.

they're not lame... they express my emotions...

That is me washing myself of the filthiness I feel having talked to you...


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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:10:45 »
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Well seeing as this thread is specifically about obama and the United states, what did you expect him to say? Damn spaniards are crazy? You arent a 12 year old troll, you can do better than cool story bro when he specifically gives you reasons why he thinks what he thinks.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:11:42 »
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Well seeing as this thread is specifically about obama and the United states, what did you expect him to say? Damn spaniards are crazy? You arent a 12 year old troll, you can do better than cool story bro when he specifically gives you reasons why he thinks what he thinks.

cool story bro.. you still think people read those wallo'txts...

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:13:15 »
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Well seeing as this thread is specifically about obama and the United states, what did you expect him to say? Damn spaniards are crazy? You arent a 12 year old troll, you can do better than cool story bro when he specifically gives you reasons why he thinks what he thinks.


Actually it's about Obama specifically. The bashing of Americans wasn't part of the original format.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:14:01 »


^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

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I would rather whine about your lame animated gif's on every one of your posts. But that would prove fruitless, just like most everyone's posts here. It's not going to make a real difference.

they're not lame... they express my emotions...
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That is me washing myself of the filthiness I feel having talked to you...

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As if every one of your posts don't amount to more than dirt.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:14:51 »
Well obama the main representitive of America. He IS our president.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:16:10 »
Well obama the main representitive of America. He IS our president.


Yes, clearly one man is representative of the entire country. A well educated response, I see.

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« Reply #65 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:17:36 »
Pot. Kettle. Hang out.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:18:59 »
Would things be different if Obama would have been a white guy?

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:20:58 »
Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:22:26 »
Would things be different if Obama would have been a white guy?

he wouldn't have gotten elected.. OH SNAP... nawh... jkjkjk  I think he still would've against McCain who was 1 foot in the grave.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:26:44 »
Well obama the main representitive of America. He IS our president.

Obama is the main representative of the EXECUTIVE branch. That is only 1/3rd of our government.

The only reason we consider him the "leader" of our nation is because it's the only branch of government where all the power is held by a single person.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:31:06 »
Yes, he should be impeached. He could be replaced with a small animal (although probably not a squirrel), and we would have better leadership.

I really hope that Ted Cruz gets the Republican nomination in 2016, although that is going to be an uphill battle for him, since he has pissed of the establishment in the GOP. He is one of the only senators we have in Washington with half a brain at all. He seems to be the only one with the cojones to stand up to the special interests and cronyism that is rampant in D.C. And that is exactly what we need in our nation's leader. Someone who has the attitude of, "Damn the political consequences, I'm going to do what's right." And to think I voted for Dewhurst after the smear campaign he launched against Cruz in 2012.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:33:31 »
Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.
And you're still avoiding discussing any of the actual issues, instead getting hung up on what was largely speaking a joke.

I've explained my view.  How about you explain yours?  Might be worth exploring how Obamacare differs from what the Republicans were suggesting /before/ they ended up with a ni^H^Hdemocrat in power. 

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:35:50 »
Yes, he should be impeached. He could be replaced with a small animal (although probably not a squirrel), and we would have better leadership.

I really hope that Ted Cruz gets the Republican nomination in 2016, although that is going to be an uphill battle for him, since he has pissed of the establishment in the GOP. He is one of the only senators we have in Washington with half a brain at all. He seems to be the only one with the cojones to stand up to the special interests and cronyism that is rampant in D.C. And that is exactly what we need in our nation's leader. Someone who has the attitude of, "Damn the political consequences, I'm going to do what's right." And to think I voted for Dewhurst after the smear campaign he launched against Cruz in 2012.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:37:45 »
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p


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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:39:46 »
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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:40:47 »
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:22:37 »
Would things be different if Obama would have been a white guy?

Bad ideas and policies know no race. But if Obama were white you could at least criticize his policies without the constant fear of being labeled a racist.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:24:38 »
Wow, you Americans are ****ing mental.

Finally, a sane comment.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:32:18 »
If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

libertarian then??

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

Don't do it! I voted for Perot and ended up putting Clinton in office! Vote Republican because they've done less to flush the country down the toilet than the Democrats. Sure, they're gutless and kill puppies for fun, but at least with them in office there's a slim, slim chance the government won't get any bigger.


That was pretty much my thinking...Obama hasn't exactly done the best job...and i'm not sure i'd want to let the democrats be control again...

Like i said, i hate politics and don't pay attention to them too much so,  :p



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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:10:08 »
If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

libertarian then??

That's what I did.  Like I said, it may be naive, but I still think it was the best option.

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« Reply #82 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:11:38 »
If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

libertarian then??

That's what I did.  Like I said, it may be naive, but I still think it was the best option.

still have a few years to decide, so we'll see  :p

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 21:21:33 »
All I can say is WOW...

If you want to empeach Obama for trying to implement socialized medicine, you probably want to bomb France for their views on the topic.  Hell, most of the EU has socialized medicine.  If they break a leg, they don't end up with a 100 grand of debt to pay off.

Some people have a capitalistic carrot so far up their @55 they can't see the forest for the trees.  Social systems are often an effective solution to a problem. 

The brain washed BS level is over 9000!!!


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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 21:21:47 »
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

I think this will only happen when:

1. We run out of oil
2. We run out of food
3. We run out of water

Otherwise I think Americans are too lazy to do anything like revolt for real. We got football (the real kind) to watch.

Nail on the head with the first part (though I'd add the draft being reinstated into that short list) I'd say it's not that they're too lazy, but, currently, it's easier to vent frustrations through low cost methods ("slacktivism") that do nothing yet give people a sense of accomplishment.  While technology has made it easier to organize, as we've seen through the use of tech to organize flashmobs, it also makes it much easier to engage in low risk activism that has no effect, but makes people feel like they've done something.  protesting is a high risk activity, especially with the militarized police force we see now and the increased use of military policing tactics.  We've seen a massive strike against the freedom of assembly and speech since the '60s that make the risks of political action all the greater.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:43:07 »
i like the idea of replacing obama with a small animal. most likely a raccoon, who, i am sure, will do much better as a representative of american people.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #86 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 06:07:16 »
Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.
And you're still avoiding discussing any of the actual issues, instead getting hung up on what was largely speaking a joke.

I've explained my view.  How about you explain yours?  Might be worth exploring how Obamacare differs from what the Republicans were suggesting /before/ they ended up with a ni^H^Hdemocrat in power.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #87 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 07:21:37 »
with a ni^H^Hdemocrat in power.

What's a ni...democrat?
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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #88 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:18:51 »
I don't actually consider myself as having a country. I do have a passport, but it doesn't come from where you think it does.
a passport? the one with a lion and a unicorn? mine has an eagle on its cover. just sayin... i like animals.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #89 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:43:12 »
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:46:05 »
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I wouldn't mind it if Obama golfed 24/7/365 -- anything to distract him from governing is fine by me.
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:18:22 »
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(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 14:19:02 »
If you want to empeach Obama for trying to implement socialized medicine, you probably want to bomb France for their views on the topic.

Nah, I'd rather see Obama impeached for letting 4 Americans die in an attack on an embassy in Libya, using the IRS to audit those who hold differing political opinions and any number of other high crimes and misdemeanors. But with the current limp-wristed Republican Party in charge of the House of Representin', it's never going to happen.

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If they break a leg, they don't end up with a 100 grand of debt to pay off.

Yeah, they just die because they have to wait months for routine surgeries and the like. Or die because they're old.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 14:58:44 »
But with the current limp-wristed Republican Party in charge of the House of Representin', it's never going to happen.

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 15:03:28 »
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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 04:48:18 »
in usa, a lot of people die because they are old. just like anywhere else in the world.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

-Ray Bradbury

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Re: Should Obama be impeached?
« Reply #98 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:41:14 »
they have to wait months for routine surgeries and the like
That's gotta be a joke, right?

I mean, really, it's gotta be a joke.

really?

no?

The UK's NHS has been suffering from underfunding and government mismanagement (due to incompetence and / or malice) since it was first conceived.  Despite that, it manages to provide a remarkably good level of health care (with a few very unfortunate cases like the staffordshire scandal) for the entirety of the UK's population.  It is regularly used, along with the BBC, as a "whipping boy" for those who would privatise every trivial piece of infrastructure in the UK.  Basically, it's a lot of spin.  Or, if you prefer, "deliberate misstatement", otherwise known as "lies".

This is one of the problems of the internet - critical reading requires not only reading the article itself, but also the subtext it inherits from its author.

The article itself is rather badly written, and appears to be advocating something I'd only expect from "The Onion", or perhaps some of teh more moderate Tea Party members:

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The United States doesn't need the NHS as a guidebook. We have our own. It's called Medicare and Medicaid. They are going broke and cannot be sustained without more borrowed money or sharply reduced services. When human life is regarded as disposable — as with unborn babies — and cost control replaces treatment as the main objective, then anything that enables government to reduce costs is possible. It then is only a matter of conditioning the public to accept lower-quality care and rationing.

This does, however, touch on one underlying truth - healthcare is not free, it costs money.  Significant amounts of money.  There's no way of "balancing the books", it /must/ be subsidised or otherwise restricted to "those who can pay".

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« Reply #99 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 06:12:54 »
This does, however, touch on one underlying truth - healthcare is not free, it costs money.  Significant amounts of money.  There's no way of "balancing the books", it /must/ be subsidised or otherwise restricted to "those who can pay".

This is what I find so disheartening about politics. The government steps in to "fix" something (make it magically "free"), screws it up, and then is once again called upon to fix the new problem that they created! They interfere in the healthcare market (Medicaid, Medicare) in foolish ways, and then when the market reacts poorly, they muck it up a bit more, and the process repeats until we have what all progressives seem to dream about -- a single-payer system. It would be the real life equivalent of hiring a contractor to fix your roof. He causes the roof to drop down into your home, crushing much of what you own. You then re-hire him to renovate your home (due to the damage) and he manages to flood the basement. Eventually, you are living in a tent which is owned by the contractor. Any normal person would say to the contractor, "You've done enough, no more!" but not progressives, they keep on believing in government.

Has anyone else noticed that most of the elective surgeries and procedures not covered by government programs (or most insurance policies) have dropped the most in price? These are medical procedures that have had the most exposure to market forces (cosmetic surgeries, laser eye correction, etc.) -- and prices for them have been dropping. Sure, when these procedures first came into the market they were very expensive, and only very wealthy families could make their daughter's Roman noses (roamin' all over their faces) more streamlined. Only professional athletes with huge amounts of disposable income could get their eyes laser corrected. It was all so thoroughly evil and horrible -- that evil rich people can have better noses and better vision -- I'm so angry I can't even see straight! But over time, the market worked.

Modern progressives and their followers, if they could just look beyond their own envy and hatred, would experience lower costs on medical procedures if they let the market work. Healthcare, unfortunately, is a market that is (and has been) easily demagogued by progressives.
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