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Offline Coreda

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 02:02:11 »
This is epic lol! A little tricked-out 2-keyer. I probably missed it, but what keys will it be?
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 02:43:29 »
Oh if this was Bluetooth I could use it as record / return and track drums way easier in protools!! A four key Bluetooth version would be really really usefull for recording.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:18:39 »
Are diodes even necessary? I mean... obviously you aren't going to get more than 2KRO on this.
Anyway, I'm still down for offering these in a groupbuy. I can include it next time I do some novelty key dyesubs with imsto which will probably be soonish.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:37:42 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:18:39
Are diodes even necessary? I mean... obviously you aren't going to get more than 2KRO on this.
Anyway, I'm still down for offering these in a groupbuy. I can include it next time I do some novelty key dyesubs with imsto which will probably be soonish.

I lol'ed. :D

NKRO where N=2
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:48:14 »
Quote from: YoungMichael88 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 02:43:29
Oh if this was Bluetooth I could use it as record / return and track drums way easier in protools!! A four key Bluetooth version would be really really usefull for recording.

This has already been brought up in this thread, but this is almost exactly what you are describing. You can hook any kind of switch (including mx switches) up to those 12 inputs and configure them to send any mouse, media or keystroke.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 15:47:30 »
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:37:42
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:18:39
Are diodes even necessary? I mean... obviously you aren't going to get more than 2KRO on this.
Anyway, I'm still down for offering these in a groupbuy. I can include it next time I do some novelty key dyesubs with imsto which will probably be soonish.

I lol'ed. :D

NKRO where N=2

:P

Still need the zener diodes to get the usb data line voltage down, but the others could be probably be ignored for some minor savings.  Pads could be bridged with a bit of wire or something if you want to leave them out. 

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 15:56:49 »
I think if anything, this 2 key PCB should be overkill.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 16:04:22 »
Quote from: YoungMichael88 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 15:56:49
I think if anything, this 2 key PCB should be overkill.

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 16:16:20 »
Quote from: YoungMichael88 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 15:56:49
I think if anything, this 2 key PCB should be overkill.

You're probably right, but it would be hard to find a place to mount the USB otherwise.  Honestly, the whole concept is ridiculous, but I'm having some fun with it.

Anyway, all the parts to build one (PCB, usb, switches, resistors, caps, diodes, LEDs) cost me ~$8.  It would go down in quantities of more than 1-at-a-time. 

If you wanted to build a bluetooth one based on the lady ada's bluefruit, you'd probably just wire up the switches directly and go with a little two-switch plate in lieu of the PCB.

 
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 18:51:49 »
make a micro-plate that has a loop on it, doubles as keychain

i wish you could have it type something when you press a key like the techkeys thing, but this is still cool

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #110 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 18:58:22 »
Quote from: Coreda on Wed, 22 January 2014, 02:02:11
This is epic lol! A little tricked-out 2-keyer. I probably missed it, but what keys will it be?

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #111 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:41:32 »
Quote from: kfmfe04 on Thu, 23 January 2014, 18:58:22
Quote from: Coreda on Wed, 22 January 2014, 02:02:11
This is epic lol! A little tricked-out 2-keyer. I probably missed it, but what keys will it be?

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #112 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 20:35:50 »
One has to be the Any key.  The other one?
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #113 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 22:39:30 »
1 A

it's the 1a keyboard
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 23:51:07 »

Quote from: Sifo on Thu, 23 January 2014, 22:39:30
1 A

it's the 1a keyboard
That would make too much sense
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #115 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 00:30:38 »
WANT! :D
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« Reply #116 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 01:07:36 »
"G" and "H".

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« Reply #117 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:28:24 »
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:35:33 »
Will there be an ISO version?
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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:37:20 »
Quote from: BlueBär on Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:35:33
Will there be an ISO version?

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Next thing you know, someone will want Dvorak layout!
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:38:29 »
Quote from: rowdy on Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:37:20
Next thing you know, someone will want Dvorak layout!

What about a split design for better ergonomics?
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #121 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 06:06:42 »
Quote from: BlueBär on Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:38:29
Quote from: rowdy on Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:37:20
Next thing you know, someone will want Dvorak layout!

What about a split design for better ergonomics?

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 13:22:14 »
It's the DUKE OF NEW YORK keyboard!
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #123 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 17:41:13 »
I know it's not really the thread for this but I would just love to see a programmable ~5-10 key board to use as a media controller. People could use it for play, pause, track forward, track backward, random, maybe volume down and up.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #124 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 17:57:13 »
I wouldn't mind something like that either... maybe make PCB that fit inside the CM switch tester... nice easy project.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 17:58:34 »
Yeah a PCB for the switch tester would be pretty sweet. But first thing's first is the 1a
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« Reply #126 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 19:04:06 »
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« Reply #127 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 19:13:27 »
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #129 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 16:04:16 »
You know thanks to this I started playing Osu again. And I'm starting to think I'd have to bolt this thing to my desk in order to be able to play Osu with it.

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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #130 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:08:28 »
No, what you need is a metal case to go with it, that should have enough weight to keep it on your desk.
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« Reply #131 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:09:55 »
Quote from: BlueBär on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:08:28
No, what you need is a metal case to go with it, that should have enough weight to keep it on your desk.

I think it would still tip over or slide around because of how small it is, and how much I'd be mashing.
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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:26:46 »
Quote from: Sifo on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:09:55
I think it would still tip over or slide around because of how small it is, and how much I'd be mashing.

Hmm that depends on the size of course. Or maybe some kind of clamping mehcnaism to clamp it onto your desk?
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #133 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 18:15:00 »
Quote from: BlueBär on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:26:46
Quote from: Sifo on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:09:55
I think it would still tip over or slide around because of how small it is, and how much I'd be mashing.

Hmm that depends on the size of course. Or maybe some kind of clamping mehcnaism to clamp it onto your desk?
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #134 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 20:07:26 »
I'll think of something once I get a few ;)
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #135 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 04:26:55 »
Please make the PCB available to all of us!
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #136 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 05:02:27 »
Quote from: Comment on Sun, 26 January 2014, 18:15:00
Quote from: BlueBär on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:26:46
Quote from: Sifo on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:09:55
I think it would still tip over or slide around because of how small it is, and how much I'd be mashing.

Hmm that depends on the size of course. Or maybe some kind of clamping mehcnaism to clamp it onto your desk?
Lead case. Problem solved.

Depleted Uranium is denser... Hmm, new keycap material everybody! If you thought thick PBT caps were heavy....
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #137 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 06:52:04 »
Solid gold for a safe alternative :rolleyes:
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #138 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:41:00 »
Tungsten -- about the same density as Gold but cheaper :p
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #139 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:47:27 »
But not as cool.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #140 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:47:36 »
Quote from: moonexe on Tue, 28 January 2014, 06:52:04
Solid gold for a safe alternative :rolleyes:

I'm a'll about the osmium / iridium.

As far as cases, you can fabricate something that's heavy pretty easily (and cheaply). though you may run into height concerns. I plan to bolt mine to some scrap metal and have done.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 00:42:32 »
Quote from: Sifo on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:09:55
Quote from: BlueBär on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:08:28
No, what you need is a metal case to go with it, that should have enough weight to keep it on your desk.

I think it would still tip over or slide around because of how small it is, and how much I'd be mashing.

Depending on how much you 2 key and whether you 1 key using your index/middle finger will probably affect how you want to weigh it.  I have a tendency to favor my middle finger for both streams and single taps, at any rate.  BPM will probably affect things too, as well as pcb flex if there's no plate. 
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:31:56 »
I should probably actually test the electronics first, but...


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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:35:06 »
Quote from: regack on Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:31:56
I should probably actually test the electronics first, but...

Very nice! Total cost of the PCB + case?
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:38:01 »
Awesome, I could see it being used as an upvote/downvote tool  :)
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:57:34 »
ROFL nice
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #146 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 19:18:55 »
Quote from: BlueBär on Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:35:06
Quote from: regack on Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:31:56
I should probably actually test the electronics first, but...

Very nice! Total cost of the PCB + case?

The shapeways case was $14.52 shipped.  This is only the second time I've had anything 3d printed before, it might be possible to tweak it cheaper, I don't know.  Might be cheaper to not use shapeways as well.  Not really an area I have a lot of experience with. 

As a one-off, the PCB + parts came out to <$8 (inclusive of shipping charges from me buying some bits from mouser).

In quantities of 100, the per-unit price of components goes down to like $2.  I'm not sure about the PCBs, but it's probably pretty low as well.  I was going to get an estimate, but I've been short on time lately and keep forgetting to get to things.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #147 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 01:23:11 »
Don't have much to add, but if there's ever a group buy I'd be interested in picking up several of these.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #148 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 12:16:08 »
Not bad... so perhaps in the groupbuy we can do a kit of case + pcb + 2 PBT dyesub keycap for around $20-22? Unless shapeway does volume pricing, then it would be cheaper? Let me know all the details and I will launch a buy if you don't want to do it.
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Re: Make a 2 key keyboard?
« Reply #149 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 15:10:09 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 31 January 2014, 12:16:08
Unless shapeway does volume pricing, then it would be cheaper?

Quote from: Shapeways
Do you offer volume discounts?
Due to the nature of 3D Printing, the price per object does not decrease with larger volumes. As a result, we do not offer volume discounts.


Although if you print several cases in a single file, you could skip the per item setup fee, saving a very small amount per case... But I doubt it would be significant.
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