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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #250 on: Mon, 23 March 2015, 09:15:54 »
Not much love for them around here, though.

Lots of people like the M15 which is based on M2 technology with the integrated barrels/topcase and the smaller keycaps.

The M15 is a hard to obtain keyboard, but it is the only BS ergonomic keyboard.  It's pretty cool.

The M2 is difficult to repair and hard to find parts for.  (Usually from other M2's)
Edit: I have never got the hang of using a soldering iron well and have destroyed more than I fix!
So maybe it's just me, but I have really been unsuccessful with them.

I've never had trouble with a soldering iron. Probably because I was given my first one when I was young. I used to tear apart VCRs and stuff like that, then reuse those components on other things.

Honestly, up until right about now I never really had an interest in an M2, but all this talk has got me thinking...maybe a restoration project would be fun.

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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #251 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:00:48 »
Forget your dinky little plastic membrane model Ms, here's a real BS keyboard:





This thing is beast beyond all belief, and the size of a small whale. <3
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #252 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:02:44 »

Forget your dinky little plastic membrane model Ms, here's a real BS keyboard:

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This thing is beast beyond all belief, and the size of a small whale. <3
Nice.  Is it converted to USB yet.  Any plans to convert the layout to ansi?


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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #253 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:43:14 »

Forget your dinky little plastic membrane model Ms, here's a real BS keyboard:

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This thing is beast beyond all belief, and the size of a small whale. <3
Nice.  Is it converted to USB yet.  Any plans to convert the layout to ansi?

Yeah, it came with xwhatsit's controller preinstalled. I actually decided against getting it ANSI modded; I like the way the original layout looks, and it seems like most people get them modded, so I figured I'd leave this magnificent creature be. The date on the bottom says 32-1984, for the record.
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Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #254 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:45:06 »

Forget your dinky little plastic membrane model Ms, here's a real BS keyboard:

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This thing is beast beyond all belief, and the size of a small whale. <3
Nice.  Is it converted to USB yet.  Any plans to convert the layout to ansi?

Yeah, it came with xwhatsit's controller preinstalled. I actually decided against getting it ANSI modded; I like the way the original layout looks, and it seems like most people get them modded, so I figured I'd leave this magnificent creature be. The date on the bottom says 32-1984, for the record.

Very nice.  Can't argue with originality.  I just didn't think I could stand the default layout as is.  Also yours appears to be in way better condition than mine was. All the plastic tops were yellowed or the paper was very grungy.
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #255 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 03:32:34 »

Forget your dinky little plastic membrane model Ms, here's a real BS keyboard:

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This thing is beast beyond all belief, and the size of a small whale. <3
Nice.  Is it converted to USB yet.  Any plans to convert the layout to ansi?

Yeah, it came with xwhatsit's controller preinstalled. I actually decided against getting it ANSI modded; I like the way the original layout looks, and it seems like most people get them modded, so I figured I'd leave this magnificent creature be. The date on the bottom says 32-1984, for the record.

Very nice.  Can't argue with originality.  I just didn't think I could stand the default layout as is.  Also yours appears to be in way better condition than mine was. All the plastic tops were yellowed or the paper was very grungy.

me2. I think I personally would go for ansi or iso and use a new set of keycaps :)

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« Reply #256 on: Sun, 29 March 2015, 02:19:44 »
Very nice.  Can't argue with originality.  I just didn't think I could stand the default layout as is.  Also yours appears to be in way better condition than mine was. All the plastic tops were yellowed or the paper was very grungy.

The tops are yellowed a bit on mine, but it's not bad at all. But yeah, it is in really nice condition. I need to give it a cleaning, of course, it's 31 years old, but it looks great. I got it from orihalcon here through the classifieds forum. :)

The default layout is actually not bad with the right mapping! The two keys where ANSI has one in all spots that happens are actually just both mapped to the ANSI key - So that short left shift and <> key are both mapped to LShift, for example. That way if I happen to hit either it still works. (And if I hit between my finger just falls to one side and presses one of them anyway so.) I'm honestly having more trouble with the lack of F and J bumps and ordered a pair of those keys from Unicomp for it.

me2. I think I personally would go for ansi or iso and use a new set of keycaps :)

Other than the full grid numberpad area and the two keys where ISO enter is, this actually is pretty much the ISO layout in the main section. XD Could map it to be an ISO layout easily, just make PD 1 and PD 3 both enter. But yeah, you should be able to get caps for ANSI at least through Unicomp now that they offer multiwides. I like the look of the original keys with the inserts though. XD
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« Reply #257 on: Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:49:01 »
So I made an order for some new caps from Unicomp a week or two ago. They finally arrived this morning and I just finished placing them on the board:





I still need to bolt-mod it, though.
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« Reply #258 on: Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:37:49 »
So I made an order for some new caps from Unicomp a week or two ago. They finally arrived this morning and I just finished placing them on the board:

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I still need to bolt-mod it, though.

Nice!

The orange arrow keys are a nice touch :)
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« Reply #259 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:46:00 »
I got an unsaver today.
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« Reply #260 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:50:46 »
I got an unsaver today.
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Oooh!  ANSI!

Was this ANSI originally?  All its bigger cousins seem to be ISO out of the factory.
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« Reply #261 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:51:33 »
I got an unsaver today.
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Oooh!  ANSI!

Was this ANSI originally?  All its bigger cousins seem to be ISO out of the factory.

Nope, it was modded to ANSI.
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« Reply #262 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:52:20 »
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Oooh!  ANSI!

Was this ANSI originally?  All its bigger cousins seem to be ISO out of the factory.

Nope, it was modded to ANSI.

Ah, that explains it.

Thanks :)
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« Reply #263 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:54:12 »
 Unsavers look particularly sexy imo.  Red escape key is a nice touch.


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« Reply #264 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:02:07 »
I got an unsaver today.
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Oooh!  ANSI!

Was this ANSI originally?  All its bigger cousins seem to be ISO out of the factory.

Nope, it was modded to ANSI.

How does that work? Do you have to use a barrel plate from an M122 and chop it down?

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Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #265 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:05:24 »
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Oooh!  ANSI!

Was this ANSI originally?  All its bigger cousins seem to be ISO out of the factory.

Nope, it was modded to ANSI.

How does that work? Do you have to use a barrel plate from an M122 and chop it down?

M122 would have the same ISO layout.  All you do on model F's is separate the metal plates and rearrange the springs and stabilizer inserts on the barrels in the upper metal plate and reassemble.  Hopefully that brief explanation gives you an idea.


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« Reply #266 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:07:31 »
Xpost, but proud to be a SSK member  :cool:


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« Reply #267 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:11:45 »
I got an unsaver today.
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Oooh!  ANSI!

Was this ANSI originally?  All its bigger cousins seem to be ISO out of the factory.

Nope, it was modded to ANSI.

How does that work? Do you have to use a barrel plate from an M122 and chop it down?

M122 would have the same ISO layout.  All you do on model F's is separate the metal plates and rearrange the springs and stabilizer inserts on the barrels in the upper metal plate and reassemble.  Hopefully that brief explanation gives you an idea.

Well not really but that's only because I have zero knowledge about the inner parts of a Model F.

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« Reply #268 on: Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:16:34 »
Yeah,  I understand that.  I didn't understand until I bought a model f and opened one.  It's really simple once you actually see it in person. There are guides and videos on this around if you want a visual.


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« Reply #270 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 04:13:52 »
So, out of curiosity, if one wanted to mod a Model F to, say, the HHKB layout, you would just need to move around stabilisers and springs so you have enough keys? It wouldn't require doing any destructive/irreversible modifications?
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« Reply #271 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 04:23:32 »
So, out of curiosity, if one wanted to mod a Model F to, say, the HHKB layout, you would just need to move around stabilisers and springs so you have enough keys? It wouldn't require doing any destructive/irreversible modifications?

Well you'd need a kishsaver with a split backspace. I think that you can convert a normal kish but I'm not totally sure if the short shift is possible. This is what it'd look like. Photo cred goes to Snoopy.

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« Reply #272 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 04:34:01 »
Oh, I just meant the main cluster, not the size. Particularly the 1.5 backspace and the two 1u keys above it.

That Kish you linked is my dream keyboard.

Edit: What do you mean by split backspace?
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #273 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 04:53:22 »
Edit: What do you mean by split backspace?

2 1u keys where backspace would go instead of the 2u that's normally there.
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« Reply #274 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 05:59:52 »
So, out of curiosity, if one wanted to mod a Model F to, say, the HHKB layout, you would just need to move around stabilisers and springs so you have enough keys? It wouldn't require doing any destructive/irreversible modifications?

Well you'd need a kishsaver with a split backspace. I think that you can convert a normal kish but I'm not totally sure if the short shift is possible. This is what it'd look like. Photo cred goes to Snoopy.

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Oh what I would give to have this thing... ummmmm.
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« Reply #275 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 10:53:35 »
I got an unsaver today.
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #276 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 11:31:04 »
So, out of curiosity, if one wanted to mod a Model F to, say, the HHKB layout, you would just need to move around stabilisers and springs so you have enough keys? It wouldn't require doing any destructive/irreversible modifications?

Well you'd need a kishsaver with a split backspace. I think that you can convert a normal kish but I'm not totally sure if the short shift is possible. This is what it'd look like. Photo cred goes to Snoopy.

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Split backspace is easy on a kishsaver (I believe they were this way stock), the split right shift is tricky.  You can definitely split it, and mine came stock split.  The catch is that rather than the 2.75 key being split to 1.75 | 1, it's split to 1 | 1.75, which puts the 1u fn right next to /? and the shift on the edge of the case (or you have a 1u shift in proper HHKB position and 1.75u fn).  Hope that makes sense.  I can take pics later if it helps.  :)

But in general, changing the layout on the kishsaver is crazy easy.  You literally just move the spring/hammer assemblies around.  Every barrel position in the plate has contacts on the PCB under it, even if the layout didn't have a key there (if that barrel was a stabilizer insert).  Then it's just a matter of programming, which is also easy with xwhatsit's controller.  Not sure if that makes any more sense than Touch_It's explanation, but again I can take pics if need be.   :thumb:

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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #277 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 11:40:38 »
And my newest aquisition :)

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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #278 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 12:09:50 »
So, out of curiosity, if one wanted to mod a Model F to, say, the HHKB layout, you would just need to move around stabilisers and springs so you have enough keys? It wouldn't require doing any destructive/irreversible modifications?

Well you'd need a kishsaver with a split backspace. I think that you can convert a normal kish but I'm not totally sure if the short shift is possible. This is what it'd look like. Photo cred goes to Snoopy.

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Split backspace is easy on a kishsaver (I believe they were this way stock), the split right shift is tricky.  You can definitely split it, and mine came stock split.  The catch is that rather than the 2.75 key being split to 1.75 | 1, it's split to 1 | 1.75, which puts the 1u fn right next to /? and the shift on the edge of the case (or you have a 1u shift in proper HHKB position and 1.75u fn).  Hope that makes sense.  I can take pics later if it helps.  :)

But in general, changing the layout on the kishsaver is crazy easy.  You literally just move the spring/hammer assemblies around.  Every barrel position in the plate has contacts on the PCB under it, even if the layout didn't have a key there (if that barrel was a stabilizer insert).  Then it's just a matter of programming, which is also easy with xwhatsit's controller.  Not sure if that makes any more sense than Touch_It's explanation, but again I can take pics if need be.   :thumb:

Makes perfect sense. I'd looked at it before, and considering how the stems are aligned on the BS right shift, as you said there's not really any way to get the Fn there. No reason it can't be placed on one of the keys below the right shift, of course.

I've been looking into the adaptability of the Model Fs tonight and it looks a lot easier than I initially thought it would be. I've bought an AT Model F that'll need some maintenance work done, and I intend to rearrange the layout into something more useful to me than the default setup. Just the normal rearranging shouldn't be a problem. I also want to do the spacebar mod I saw here, but that seems a bit riskier.
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #279 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 18:48:08 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^


IBM SSK by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr


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Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

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« Reply #280 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 19:29:07 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

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Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:
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« Reply #281 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 19:49:58 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

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Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:
You get that from Cindy???
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« Reply #282 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 19:50:36 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

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Crystal Lake  <3
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Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:
You get that from Cindy???

Yessir!  :D

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« Reply #283 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 19:51:33 »
Yessir!  :D

It's pretty dirty. I think you're lying to us. You really got that from The_Beast right?
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« Reply #284 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 19:54:00 »
Yessir!  :D

It's pretty dirty. I think you're lying to us. You really got that from The_Beast right?

Low blow alert!!

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« Reply #285 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 20:15:18 »
Yessir!  :D

It's pretty dirty. I think you're lying to us. You really got that from The_Beast right?

Low blow alert!!

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« Reply #286 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 20:46:57 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

What are you waiting for?  I'd like to know if it is actually working.  Did you get an SDL cable with it or have one handy to find out?  Oh and just using dish soap with oxyclean works pretty good.  Be sure the keys are dry when you put them back on!!!
  I can't wait to see it when it's sparkling!  Great catch Hoff!
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« Reply #287 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 00:25:20 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

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 :'( you have everything now

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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #288 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 04:04:01 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

What are you waiting for?  I'd like to know if it is actually working.  Did you get an SDL cable with it or have one handy to find out?  Oh and just using dish soap with oxyclean works pretty good.  Be sure the keys are dry when you put them back on!!!
  I can't wait to see it when it's sparkling!  Great catch Hoff!

I got mine from Cindy, and it works. I plugged it in and tested all of the keys. She also includes a cable with every SSK. It's really a steal for $75 if you ask me.

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Silver 84-key KMAC LE, 62g lubed & stickered ergo-clears, GON NerD PCB, polycarbonate plate,MX lock/Phosphorglow IBM Model M SSK 1391472/White HHKB Pro 2, Hasu controller/WKL Phantom, 50g vintage blacks, MX lock
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« Reply #289 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 04:17:09 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

What are you waiting for?  I'd like to know if it is actually working.  Did you get an SDL cable with it or have one handy to find out?  Oh and just using dish soap with oxyclean works pretty good.  Be sure the keys are dry when you put them back on!!!
  I can't wait to see it when it's sparkling!  Great catch Hoff!

I got mine from Cindy, and it works. I plugged it in and tested all of the keys. She also includes a cable with every SSK. It's really a steal for $75 if you ask me.

I believe that all keycaps included is also guaranteed :)
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #290 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 04:42:23 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

What are you waiting for?  I'd like to know if it is actually working.  Did you get an SDL cable with it or have one handy to find out?  Oh and just using dish soap with oxyclean works pretty good.  Be sure the keys are dry when you put them back on!!!
  I can't wait to see it when it's sparkling!  Great catch Hoff!

I got mine from Cindy, and it works. I plugged it in and tested all of the keys. She also includes a cable with every SSK. It's really a steal for $75 if you ask me.

I believe that all keycaps included is also guaranteed :)

A full set is guaranteed, but not the exact caps for the board. Missing caps are replaced with Model M caps. My SSK came missing the SSK I and + keys, so I don't have the sublegends. It looks strange on the I key. Unicomp said they can make a replacement, but I have to buy a full set of caps.. and I don't know how good their quality is going to be.

Boards:
Silver 84-key KMAC LE, 62g lubed & stickered ergo-clears, GON NerD PCB, polycarbonate plate,MX lock/Phosphorglow IBM Model M SSK 1391472/White HHKB Pro 2, Hasu controller/WKL Phantom, 50g vintage blacks, MX lock
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« Reply #291 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:55:02 »

I believe that all keycaps included is also guaranteed :)

A full set is guaranteed, but not the exact caps for the board. Missing caps are replaced with Model M caps. My SSK came missing the SSK I and + keys, so I don't have the sublegends. It looks strange on the I key. Unicomp said they can make a replacement, but I have to buy a full set of caps.. and I don't know how good their quality is going to be.

Awww, that's a shame :(

At least you have a full set - it would be difficult to find the odd one or two replacement keycaps, SSK-specific or otherwise.

I hope you can eventually find some replacement SSK caps.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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« Reply #292 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 06:43:18 »

I believe that all keycaps included is also guaranteed :)

A full set is guaranteed, but not the exact caps for the board. Missing caps are replaced with Model M caps. My SSK came missing the SSK I and + keys, so I don't have the sublegends. It looks strange on the I key. Unicomp said they can make a replacement, but I have to buy a full set of caps.. and I don't know how good their quality is going to be.

Awww, that's a shame :(

At least you have a full set - it would be difficult to find the odd one or two replacement keycaps, SSK-specific or otherwise.

I hope you can eventually find some replacement SSK caps.

Yeah it does suck. Everyone I've spoken to doesn't have replacements. Phosphorglow wasn't sure if he had any replacements. Clickykeyboards said no, and Unicomp said buy a full set of our caps.

It could be an excuse to buy some of those neato APL keycaps from Unicomp though?

It's lame the one you got from her has a broken case Rowdy (I think that was you, anyway.). Did she give you a bit of a discount for that?

Boards:
Silver 84-key KMAC LE, 62g lubed & stickered ergo-clears, GON NerD PCB, polycarbonate plate,MX lock/Phosphorglow IBM Model M SSK 1391472/White HHKB Pro 2, Hasu controller/WKL Phantom, 50g vintage blacks, MX lock
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #293 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 07:53:53 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

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IBM SSK by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

Crystal Lake  <3
Show Image

IBM SSK by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

 :'( you have everything now

Still no F-77 though...  :(

Other than that, I'm quite content with my BS collection for the time being.  :)

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« Reply #294 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 13:20:59 »

Yeah it does suck. Everyone I've spoken to doesn't have replacements. Phosphorglow wasn't sure if he had any replacements. Clickykeyboards said no, and Unicomp said buy a full set of our caps.

It could be an excuse to buy some of those neato APL keycaps from Unicomp though?

It's lame the one you got from her has a broken case Rowdy (I think that was you, anyway.). Did she give you a bit of a discount for that?

The APL set looks pretty good. 


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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #295 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 17:30:03 »
I finally have an SSK   ^-^

Now I just need to clean it...   :rolleyes:

What are you waiting for?  I'd like to know if it is actually working.  Did you get an SDL cable with it or have one handy to find out?  Oh and just using dish soap with oxyclean works pretty good.  Be sure the keys are dry when you put them back on!!!
  I can't wait to see it when it's sparkling!  Great catch Hoff!

I got mine from Cindy, and it works. I plugged it in and tested all of the keys. She also includes a cable with every SSK. It's really a steal for $75 if you ask me.

I believe that all keycaps included is also guaranteed :)

A full set is guaranteed, but not the exact caps for the board. Missing caps are replaced with Model M caps. My SSK came missing the SSK I and + keys, so I don't have the sublegends. It looks strange on the I key. Unicomp said they can make a replacement, but I have to buy a full set of caps.. and I don't know how good their quality is going to be.

I got a replacement set from Unicomp for SSK, but I only use the alpha/numeric keys. The rest are from other model M/F keyboard. I noticed a difference in the printing when the set first arrived but since using them for a few months now they just seem normal. The embedded number pad looks quite good actually, it is a light grey (if I had a good camera I would take some comparison photos but I don't so I could only bring potatoes to the party).

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« Reply #296 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:59:59 »
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« Reply #297 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 01:00:40 »
Mmmm 107 goodness


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« Reply #298 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 01:01:24 »
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Re: Post your BS boards here!
« Reply #299 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 01:03:06 »
Oh ****, lol must be past my bed time lol.  How embarrassing.  Night!


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