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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #201 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 16:19:29 »
F is no better than M. It might be functionally, in that you get NKRO over 2KRO, but the feeling isn't any better, and neither is the sound. Also, the layouts and boards are ugly, and will never compete with an SSK.
Now that is an unpopular opinion  :-X

I do agree though, ssk looks so much nicer than any F out there.

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« Reply #202 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 16:51:04 »
F is no better than M. It might be functionally, in that you get NKRO over 2KRO, but the feeling isn't any better, and neither is the sound. Also, the layouts and boards are ugly, and will never compete with an SSK.

While I don't disagree with your second point, my F AT has a night and day difference in feeling than the Model Ms I've owned and used.  The Model M feels like a toy while the F feels solid.

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« Reply #203 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 17:04:44 »
I was bored and waiting for my coffee to take hold, so I decided to tally the unpopular opinions, summarizing them into categories. There is no nuance to this chart and some opinions were either clearly not unpopular (60% is awesome is not an unpopular opinion) or were too lengthy and specific to be worth trying to simplify. Through my extremely unscientific analysis, I present to you the most popular "unpopular opinions" of the thread as of the time of posting!

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« Reply #204 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 17:23:33 »
F is no better than M. It might be functionally, in that you get NKRO over 2KRO, but the feeling isn't any better, and neither is the sound. Also, the layouts and boards are ugly, and will never compete with an SSK.

While I don't disagree with your second point, my F AT has a night and day difference in feeling than the Model Ms I've owned and used.  The Model M feels like a toy while the F feels solid.
Yes, I think everything about the model f outside of the layout is better than the mode m. It's just so crisp in comparison to the m. But I guess it's all opinion.

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« Reply #205 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 17:37:38 »
Here may be an unpopular keyboard opinion:  Keyboards are great melee weapons.
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« Reply #206 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 17:40:04 »
Here may be an unpopular keyboard opinion:  Keyboards are great melee weapons.

Nope. Not unpopular.

That's why I invested in customs with metal cases....might have to go upside the heads of a couple of zombies when the zombie apocalypse hits...

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« Reply #207 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:06:08 »
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #208 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:09:08 »
Let's change the title to "Refute others' unpopular opinions by stating popular opinion".

Honestly, the fact that people actually argued with you about it means that yours is the only truly unpopular opinion.

Most of the others are opinions that a lot of people hold, but they're not vocal in the community.  Not liking F over M is legitimately unpopular.  So you should feel good.  But you should also feel bad because you're wrong.  xD

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« Reply #209 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:11:34 »
Let's change the title to "Refute others' unpopular opinions by stating popular opinion".

Honestly, the fact that people actually argued with you about it means that yours is the only truly unpopular opinion.

Most of the others are opinions that a lot of people hold, but they're not vocal in the community.  Not liking F over M is legitimately unpopular.  So you should feel good.  But you should also feel bad because you're wrong.  xD
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #210 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:15:19 »
1. Linear switches are horrible.
2. Artisan keycaps look horrible (I do appreciate the artistry involved though).
3. Rainbow/multicolored/transparent keycaps look trashy.
4. I hate any keyboard that does not have arrow keys (I love the look of them).
5. Gaming keyboards.... ew
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« Reply #211 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:17:16 »
Everyone hates linear switches

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« Reply #212 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:17:47 »
1. Linear switches are horrible.
3. Rainbow/multicolored/transparent keycaps look trashy.
5. Gaming keyboards.... ew
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« Reply #213 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:21:20 »
Soo according to the responses in this thread, my opinion should truly be unpopular:
I think linear switches are fantastic!

fite me
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« Reply #214 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:23:00 »
Everyone hates linear switches
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« Reply #215 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:29:30 »
Everyone hates linear switches
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I love them! You and I are #teamlinear
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« Reply #216 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:31:08 »
Everyone hates linear switches
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I love them! You and I are #teamlinear
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Can I join the linear team? (he says typing on 100g clears with a linear keyboard collecting dust and waiting to be desoldered)
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« Reply #217 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:38:47 »
If it doesn't click, it's ****.
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« Reply #218 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:40:34 »
Everyone hates linear switches
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Ghost Blacks/Reds = Best Goddamn Cherry switches aside from Ergo Clears.  Second only in awesomeness to Green Alps, but even then it's a close one.
Is ghost black a black switch with clear springs? I have clear springs sitting around so I could do that.

I might try that if I ever get a 360 corsa, but that won't happen  :'(

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« Reply #219 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:42:35 »
Everyone hates linear switches
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Ghost Blacks/Reds = Best Goddamn Cherry switches aside from Ergo Clears.  Second only in awesomeness to Green Alps, but even then it's a close one.
Is ghost black a black switch with clear springs? I have clear springs sitting around so I could do that.

I might try that if I ever get a 360 corsa, but that won't happen  :'(
Yep! Black/Red stem with clear spring. I've wanted to try that for a while too, but I've become very accustomed and comfortable with 62g blacks.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #220 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 18:56:20 »
Sometimes I actually like to switch from using mx and topre to regular rubber domes.

I think I like the change in feeling.

But, for the most part, I like mx.

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« Reply #221 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 19:17:26 »
+1 for linear team. MX Black is the "true" Cherry MX, after all; everything else is basically a jury rigged modification.

So I suspect this one might be fairly unpopular: The ability to change/replace keycaps is unimportant. Non-standard keycap sizes are a good thing, because variety is the spice of life.

Also, big-ass enter is awesome. I need to get another keyboard with that sometime...
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #222 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 19:30:31 »
this thread sucks.

and the beatles are horrible.


80% of the **** said here is not even close to being an unpopular opinion.

here's one.

if you can't touch type, why the **** are you spending 60+ on a keyboard.


most of these are just preferences. including the **** i've said myself.
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« Reply #223 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 22:27:12 »
I'll agree with that, I always cringe when I see a mechanical/topre review and the person can't even touch type. Jesus Christ, I don't care if it's how you learned. Unlearn your bad habits and do it right.
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« Reply #224 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 23:16:18 »
+1 on people who can't touch type..  =x
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« Reply #225 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 23:52:29 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful
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« Reply #226 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 23:58:21 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful

Most people find them pretty good.

Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
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« Reply #227 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 01:22:18 »
this thread sucks.

and the beatles are horrible.


80% of the **** said here is not even close to being an unpopular opinion.

here's one.

if you can't touch type, why the **** are you spending 60+ on a keyboard.


most of these are just preferences. including the **** i've said myself.

Most are just "disagree with the general attitude towards this of the forum"-opinions. They are not really that shocking.

Non touch-typist simply wasting their money on expensive keyboards is something that I think is indeed an unpopular opinion. I know there are quite a few of those people on geekhack. I would be lying if I said that I have not thought this every time someone mentions they do not touch type. I also think that the main benefit in terms of feel of a keyboard is mostly lost on those who do not touch type.
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« Reply #228 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 01:46:38 »
Non touch-typist simply wasting their money on expensive keyboards is something that I think is indeed an unpopular opinion. I know there are quite a few of those people on geekhack. I would be lying if I said that I have not thought this every time someone mentions they do not touch type. I also think that the main benefit in terms of feel of a keyboard is mostly lost on those who do not touch type.

This. Same thing kind of applies to legended caps as well. There are some where simply the aesthetic value works, but most other times, it's fairly pointless.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #229 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 02:06:16 »
Cant stand led's on keyboards, with the exception of num lock.
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« Reply #230 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 02:28:54 »
my favorite numpad is my microwave.

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« Reply #231 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 03:32:21 »
i can type without looking at the board, but i have a very unorthodox finger placement scheme. am i still qualified as a touch typist?

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« Reply #232 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 03:36:42 »
my favorite numpad is my microwave.
My favorite is the pad for entering the code to open my garage door. No one will ever guess the code, as it involves pressing the enter key three times (it doesnít register unless you press the **** out of it, and even when you know that, itís impossible to press hard enough on the first try; fortunately the number keys seem to work at least 80% of the time).

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« Reply #233 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 03:38:53 »
i can type without looking at the board, but i have a very unorthodox finger placement scheme. am i still qualified as a touch typist?
Yes. Being a ďtouch typistĒ isnít worth much though, itís just a label.

What kind of typing speed can you get with your unorthodox scheme? How unorthodox are we talking here? Most (but not all) of the unorthodox schemes Iíve seen are unorthodox because theyíre bad.

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« Reply #234 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 03:41:15 »
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« Reply #235 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 03:55:56 »
What kind of typing speed can you get with your unorthodox scheme? How unorthodox are we talking here? Most (but not all) of the unorthodox schemes Iíve seen are unorthodox because theyíre bad.
i mostly just don't have a pattern and deviate my finger placement based on words. for example, "OPA" would be right index finger - right middle finger, but "KOP" would be right index - right middle - right ring. i also move my hands around a lot instead of leaving them in a central position like good touch typists do.

my highest WPM at 10FF is around 90, but i'm probably a 70-75 in practice. a bit faster than average but pales in comparison to any decent typist
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« Reply #236 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 04:01:28 »
i mostly just don't have a pattern and deviate my finger placement based on words. for example, "OPA" would be right index finger - right middle finger, but "KOP" would be right index - right middle - right ring. i also move my hands around a lot instead of leaving them in a central position like good touch typists do.
I donít think thereís anything inherently wrong with that, but I expect it takes more practice and thought to type fast in such a scheme, because the muscle memory is a bit tougher if you canít mostly associate particular letters with particular fingers. I suspect the difference would get particularly noticeable with a better-than-QWERTY letter arrangement designed with a standard-ish touch typing technique in mind. On the flipside, some of the fastest typists in the world have similar ad-hoc techniques.
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« Reply #237 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 04:08:19 »
i did try Colemak but quit after a few hours, couldn't get anything done with it

the muscle memory is a bit tougher if you canít mostly associate particular letters with particular fingers
yep, it's most noticeable when typing an unfamiliar word, i would make all sorts of mistakes. sometimes i have to mentally spell out a word and type it off that, which isn't much different from just looking at the keyboard legends

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« Reply #238 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 05:48:25 »
Hmmmm, I see a lot of repeat opinions here so let me just add a few more:

1. Anything lighter than MX Clears or MX Blacks is for weak fingered pussies.
2. MX Blue feels and sounds horrible. MX Green, while better, still feels and sounds cheap.
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6. There are no good looking backlit compatible keycaps
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8. Keysets that lack nubs on the F and J keys are stupid
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #239 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 12:22:23 »
8. Keysets that lack nubs on the F and J keys are stupid

That seems pretty popular.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #240 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 13:56:57 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful

Most people find them pretty good.

Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
 
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches
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« Reply #241 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 14:00:04 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful

Most people find them pretty good.

Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
 
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches

it sucks that you cant change them. OH WAIT YOU CAN.

thus not making their boards bad.
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« Reply #242 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 14:13:56 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful

Most people find them pretty good.

Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
 
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches

it sucks that you cant change them. OH WAIT YOU CAN.

thus not making their boards bad.

The main appeal of the V2 is the ability to customize the artwork on the keycaps, so a buyer likely wouldn't even want to have to change them.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #244 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 14:57:36 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful

Most people find them pretty good.

Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
 
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches

it sucks that you cant change them. OH WAIT YOU CAN.

thus not making their boards bad.

The main appeal of the V2 is the ability to customize the artwork on the keycaps, so a buyer likely wouldn't even want to have to change them.

On the other hand they are one of the few (the only?) sellers that let you buy their keyboards without keycaps. Since they offer the keyboard "barebones" I think you can not really say their entire product sucks. But are they not simply ABS, OEM profile keycaps? Is there any specific reason why they are terrible? Because I did not know this.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #245 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 15:00:50 »
The appeal of the WASD V2 TKL is that it is being sold barebones and it has a sleek, logo-less, and well-built body. I love the body of the TKL. I am using caps that I bought elsewhere. I wanted a rugged body with straight lines.

So not only does it offer customization if you order their key caps, but you can also buy it as a blank slate to put whatever you want on it! It's been pretty great so far.


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Offline jacobolus

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #246 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 16:47:03 »
WASD keyboards are dreadful [...] the crappy keycaps ruin the switches

On the other hand they are one of the few (the only?) sellers that let you buy their keyboards without keycaps. Since they offer the keyboard "barebones" I think you can not really say their entire product sucks. But are they not simply ABS, OEM profile keycaps? Is there any specific reason why they are terrible? Because I did not know this.

Theyíre just normal not-too-thick pad-printed ABS OEM-profile keycaps. Presumably snipars really doesnít like that.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #247 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 16:58:12 »
WASD are the only one offering clear/green in ISO version , if you don't want to take out the iron , they're great .

their low quality keycaps please the one that want stupid looking boards , normal people will buy them barebone .

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #248 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 18:01:47 »
Here's an unpopular opinion for y'all:  I love my WASD v2 keyboard.  The stock UV-treated ABS keycaps are not really bad at all.  I slightly prefer the thick PBT Leopold caps but the stock caps are not obviously inferior.  I believe most of the hate felt towards WASD keycaps is rooted in the previous version before the current UV treated caps.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #249 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 18:11:18 »
The main appeal is the cheap cost for such customization, which comes at the sacrifice in cap quality. Not nearly as many people (outside of this site, aka the real world, which everyone seems to ignore) would be interested in paying for something else.

No one else offers what WASD offers, and you should appreciate them for that.

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the people that care about cap feel (us) already know not to expect the greatest of quality from wasd's keycaps. that's why they offer a barebones model.
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