KOTM Feedback thread

[katushkin]

Find the main nomination thread for January here -> https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67831.0

Nominations are open until 00:00 GMT on the morning of the 1st of February.

Please use this thread to post your feedback to me about the Keyboard of the month process. Keep feedback/criticism/**** stirring to this thread to keep the main threads clear for nominations and voting.

As said in the main thread, this process is open to change. I have not done anything like this before, so I welcome feedback from anyone and everyone.

[Evo_Spec]

i think it should be in categories since i'm very biased towards shiny lights when comparing to more plain but still nice keyboards lol

I know we probably shouldn't break it down too much so maybe we can take a vote between TKL, Fullsize, TenKey, Lit, not lit or something? cause obviously we could come up with more categories than we need.

[demik]

thought this was ocn for a minute

[katushkin]

i think it should be in categories since i'm very biased towards shiny lights when comparing to more plain but still nice keyboards lol

I know we probably shouldn't break it down too much so maybe we can take a vote between TKL, Fullsize, TenKey, Lit, not lit or something? cause obviously we could come up with more categories than we need.

I think we need to see the types of boards that get nominated to start with. I'm all up for categories, or dedicating specific months to specific boards, but I don't think we should do that straight away. If the only winners are Korean customs every month, then I think we will change it.

thought this was ocn for a minute

I'm not sure what you mean by OCN, but I think that's the other forum I forget the name of. But this came out of the KOTM thread on there that people were a bit miffed with, where a two tone poker beat out a load of other much nicer boards. We will see how it goes

[demik]

overclock.net, they also have a keyboard of the month filled with 2 toned ****ty pokers.

and honestly, all these keyboards are cookie cutter.

korean custom with <insert anything cherry here> <insert CC F row here)

topre with <insert cc, and the 8 keysets available here)

[HoffmanMyster]

overclock.net, they also have a keyboard of the month filled with 2 toned ****ty pokers.

and honestly, all these keyboards are cookie cutter.

korean custom with <insert anything cherry here> <insert CC F row here)

topre with <insert cc, and the 8 keysets available here)

Nominate some unique boards then. 

[hwood34]

overclock.net, they also have a keyboard of the month filled with 2 toned ****ty pokers.

and honestly, all these keyboards are cookie cutter.

korean custom with <insert anything cherry here> <insert CC F row here)

topre with <insert cc, and the 8 keysets available here)

Nominate some unique boards then. 

I'd put some of mine, but they're all too old

[katushkin]

overclock.net, they also have a keyboard of the month filled with 2 toned ****ty pokers.

and honestly, all these keyboards are cookie cutter.

korean custom with <insert anything cherry here> <insert CC F row here)

topre with <insert cc, and the 8 keysets available here)

Yeah that one. That's the one I thought of, and I think the one that kicked this off.

Well, that's also the reason why I discussed this with Hoff first. I didn't want to use categories because I don't know what is going to be nominated, and I guess there are only a finite number of combinations. But there are new things being released all the time, and let's hope that the combinations don't run out any time soon.

Besides, I don't think that opinions are so cookie cutter. And I can't really see there being a Geekhack hivemind. There are the topre onlys, the vintage lovers, the korean kustomisers, the MX faithful, and the eclectic crew.

[HoffmanMyster]

overclock.net, they also have a keyboard of the month filled with 2 toned ****ty pokers.

and honestly, all these keyboards are cookie cutter.

korean custom with <insert anything cherry here> <insert CC F row here)

topre with <insert cc, and the 8 keysets available here)

Nominate some unique boards then. 

I'd put some of mine, but they're all too old

Ditto.    I need to do some updated photo shoots, methinks. 

[berserkfan]

I nominate my own.

It isn't perfect and still the keycaps and labels could be improved, but it is pretty unique and outside the box.

I am not completely satisfied due to the size, so in the next few months I might change to a pair of Hengyu POS which has a layout that is easier to manage. But the ease of programming Access-IS has made me lazy. I need to get my Atmegas working before I can program my Hengyu.

[katushkin]

I nominate my own.

It isn't perfect and still the keycaps and labels could be improved, but it is pretty unique and outside the box. (Attachment Link)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66796.0

Post it in the nomination thread for all to see

[katushkin]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67230.0

Poll thread is up!

[azhdar]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67230.0

Poll thread is up!

I'm not seing the poll .

[infiniti]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67230.0

Poll thread is up!

I'm not seing the poll .

'just added the poll.

[MGH]

I voted and when it submitted I could see the current votes, but then I refreshed and the results are no longer visible to me, is this on purpose or a glitch?

[billnye]

I'm honored to be nominated, but I definitely think last pilot has the best looking board of the month!

I'll be entering for January with my Corsa so get ready to lose everyone

[infiniti]

I voted and when it submitted I could see the current votes, but then I refreshed and the results are no longer visible to me, is this on purpose or a glitch?

I changed the settings so that the results will now be shown when the poll ends.

[MGH]

I'm honored to be nominated, but I definitely think last pilot has the best looking board of the month!

I'll be entering for January with my Corsa so get ready to lose everyone

GG

[katushkin]

I voted and when it submitted I could see the current votes, but then I refreshed and the results are no longer visible to me, is this on purpose or a glitch?

I changed the settings so that the results will now be shown when the poll ends.

Thanks dude This is working "as designed"

[infiniti]

I voted and when it submitted I could see the current votes, but then I refreshed and the results are no longer visible to me, is this on purpose or a glitch?

I changed the settings so that the results will now be shown when the poll ends.

Thanks dude This is working "as designed"

You're welcome buddy!

[katushkin]

Sorry, I'm just bumping this to ask if it can get moved to the new subforum please ^_^

<3 mods

[HoffmanMyster]

Sorry, I'm just bumping this to ask if it can get moved to the new subforum please ^_^

<3 mods

Woops, missed this one!  Moving now.   

[demik]

this seriously did not need it's own child board.

sry katu

should just be archived within the other archived subboards

[jdcarpe]

this seriously did not need it's own child board.

sry katu

should just be archived within the other archived subboards

Agreed.

[HoffmanMyster]

should just be archived within the other archived subboards

I'm not following what you're saying here.

[katushkin]

this seriously did not need it's own child board.

sry katu

should just be archived within the other archived subboards

There were a number of reasons why I asked for a dedicated subforum.

Firstly I had to ask every month for a poll to be created. I had to ask for specific formats, wasn't able to see the results as they were appearing, and I then had to start asking to get the boards pinned and whatever.

The poll was the biggest thing really, and I think hoff was starting to get annoyed at my PMs

I did ask for a completely separate board, like the Keycon board, as I liked how the top 8 boards looked all together with no breaks. But it was decided by the mods that a child board would be better for whatever reason, so that's what we have. I know hwood has said he cant see if there are new posts in the keyboard board now, but if there is another reason you think its a bad idea, that's what this topic is for

[demik]

should just be archived within the other archived subboards

I'm not following what you're saying here.

we have an archive subforum already (well, events, but added another sub wouldn't hurt it and can be used for other threads). this KOTM should have stayed one thread per month, with the prior months archived in the already created archive subforum. this just adds clutter to the main page. especially since it's something that isn't that big to begin with.

a sticky KOTM thread would have been better than a whole dedicated sub for something maybe 5 people participate in. all this created was a child board with a ton of locked threads. again, clutter. but that's just my opinion.

[HoffmanMyster]

should just be archived within the other archived subboards

I'm not following what you're saying here.

we have an archive subforum already. this KOTM should have stayed one thread per month, with the prior months archived in the already created archive subforum. this just adds clutter to the main page. especially since it's something that isn't that big to begin with.

a sticky KOTM thread would have been better than a whole dedicated sub for something maybe 5 people participate in. but that's just my opinion.

Okay it would be really helpful if you could give links to what you're referring.  There are tons of archived subforums on here, and none that I know of that fit the use you've outlined.  Yes, everything could exist floating throughout the Keyboards subforum and only have one active post, that's what's been happening thus far.  But I'm not seeing a clear and concise reason as to why it shouldn't be done.  I'm more than happy to hear whatever case you're interested to make, the goal here is not to ram stuff down peoples' throats but rather to make the forum more enjoyable.  Unfortunately, "this sucks, the old way is better" is not useful feedback.

[demik]

at no point did i say this sucks the old way is better. i gave you reasons why i think this board shouldn't exist.

Rename this to Archive, calling it events archive is dumb IMO, but w/e.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=collapse;c=105;sa=expand;ed9f5b273=26b3f3f4dc3bd39094ff8592d10b43d8#c105

add "KOTM" Archive subforum. Stick all locked (and thus, useless) KOTM threads there. it 1) does not add clutter to the main section and 2) it falls under the rest of the archives. sticky the monthly KOTM at the top of the keyboards section for all to see.

[katushkin]

I think a lot of it is to do with visibility as well. Putting it in the archived section kind of defeats the object of moving it in the first place, as I was worried it would be kind of pointless seeing as only like 30 people were voting in the first few months.

[demik]

i dont see how putting it in the archived sections does anything? the threads are locked. you can't do anything in them already.

when a new month starts, just link the prior month so people can see.

your visibility is the current KOTM being stickied at the top of the keyboards section.

[suicidal_orange]

I like how May is stickied when all the other threads are locked anyway so it can't get lost down the page )

Glad to see this in it's own subforum though as there are over 600 enthusiasts logged on now so at least half that many should be voting on a monthly basis - hopefully having a place on the main index increases the popularity

[HoffmanMyster]

I like how May is stickied when all the other threads are locked anyway so it can't get lost down the page )

Gotta cover all the bases! 

[pr0ximity]

Takes up very little space on the board index, and highlights some of the community-favorite boards and projects each month. Sounds like it should be prominently featured anyway.

[chive_]

Can we maybe get a thread with pictures of all the previous winners? I think a gallery of sorts would be pretty cool.

[Snowdog993]

I love it!  This encourages people to join geekhack and participate!  They can see the amazing keyboards that are elected for KOTM and also join in discussions about them!  There is so much opportunity here!  Also, existing members can vote for their favorite candidate.
Maybe in the future it will diversify. There could be several different categories created within the KOTM too.
That could be suggested by any and all.  A good suggestion is keyboard type.

Thinking outside the box is what makes this place great!  The more users that see this forum, the better it will become!

Edit: I was getting a bit redundant.

[Rewind]

Can we just sticky snoopy's kish and be done with keyboard of the millennium?

[njbair]

The new setup is perfect. KOTM deserves to be highlighted, as it will serve as a chronicle of sorts, or a "best of."

My only suggestion would be to add a sticky post where a summary of each month's nominees, contestants and winners may be posted. That way someone can browse that sticky and follow a timeline through GH history.

Edit: I see you took this idea and ran with it, katushkin. And I love the idea of a keyboard of the year thread! Really excited to see this thing getting more attention around here. I think it will encourage people to share more.

[CPTBadAss]

I think people shouldn't be allowed to suggest their own keyboards anymore. It just reeks of "pay attention to me now pay attention to me now" like we're 12. So desperate and thirsty for attention.

Other than that, it's been fun. Not sure if it needed it's own subforum but I honestly don't care since I spend 95% of my time in Spy or going through Making Stuff Together. As long as it's fun, I don't see why it's hurting anything.

[Snowdog993]

I think people shouldn't be allowed to suggest their own keyboards anymore. It just reeks of "pay attention to me now pay attention to me now" like we're 12. So desperate and thirsty for attention.

Other than that, it's been fun. Not sure if it needed it's own subforum but I honestly don't care since I spend 95% of my time in Spy or going through Making Stuff Together. As long as it's fun, I don't see why it's hurting anything.

Sounds like you just don't like certain users.

[katushkin]

I think people shouldn't be allowed to suggest their own keyboards anymore. It just reeks of "pay attention to me now pay attention to me now" like we're 12. So desperate and thirsty for attention.

Other than that, it's been fun. Not sure if it needed it's own subforum but I honestly don't care since I spend 95% of my time in Spy or going through Making Stuff Together. As long as it's fun, I don't see why it's hurting anything.

Sounds like you just don't like certain users.

Mmmm, I think he has a point. However, I don't think we are swamped with lots of people submitting their own boards, but I may change the rules next year.

[Snowdog993]

I think people shouldn't be allowed to suggest their own keyboards anymore. It just reeks of "pay attention to me now pay attention to me now" like we're 12. So desperate and thirsty for attention.

Other than that, it's been fun. Not sure if it needed it's own subforum but I honestly don't care since I spend 95% of my time in Spy or going through Making Stuff Together. As long as it's fun, I don't see why it's hurting anything.

Sounds like you just don't like certain users.

Mmmm, I think he has a point. However, I don't think we are swamped with lots of people submitting their own boards, but I may change the rules next year.

I do see the point, but I also see the political point of that too.  Hey, just get your pals on IRC to rock the vote your way too.  I want it to be as honest and open to everyone.  And then CPT blocks me thinking I was implying his opinion was against me.  This whole thing is silly. 

[katushkin]

I think people shouldn't be allowed to suggest their own keyboards anymore. It just reeks of "pay attention to me now pay attention to me now" like we're 12. So desperate and thirsty for attention.

Other than that, it's been fun. Not sure if it needed it's own subforum but I honestly don't care since I spend 95% of my time in Spy or going through Making Stuff Together. As long as it's fun, I don't see why it's hurting anything.

Sounds like you just don't like certain users.

Mmmm, I think he has a point. However, I don't think we are swamped with lots of people submitting their own boards, but I may change the rules next year.

I do see the point, but I also see the political point of that too.  Hey, just get your pals on IRC to rock the vote your way too.  I want it to be as honest and open to everyone.  And then CPT blocks me thinking I was implying his opinion was against me.  This whole thing is silly.

This is meant to transcend that. I have always hated cliques within internet communities, and with the voting process in place, I hope that it stops people just pushin their mate's boards, and at the end of the day, I have the say who goes forward for the main vote. Not that I would want to abuse those powers to change what the community wants, but I did have to use it after some investigation in March to prevent a fix for whatever reason.

I don't think it will ever get to a point where it will be the "cool kids" getting their boards waved around, especially with the amount of votes I am hoping to get.

[absyrd]

I think the results have been quite varied so far when it comes to makes, models, and people. So far, so good.

I do fear we are going to run out of "wow factor" pretty quick here, though, and end up with just the same stuff or something that is just vastly more rare than others (ie kishsaver).

Perhaps a monthly theme for competitors (ie Miami month, HHKB month, GON month, etc... just like we have in the "Post Your XXX" threads in GH Media)

[katushkin]

Themes is a recurring, ahem, theme, so I may have to do that, while removing the pre-requisite for posted in the last calendar month.

[Snowdog993]

This is meant to transcend that. I have always hated cliques within internet communities, and with the voting process in place, I hope that it stops people just pushin their mate's boards, and at the end of the day, I have the say who goes forward for the main vote. Not that I would want to abuse those powers to change what the community wants, but I did have to use it after some investigation in March to prevent a fix for whatever reason.

I don't think it will ever get to a point where it will be the "cool kids" getting their boards waved around, especially with the amount of votes I am hoping to get.

Agreed.

[njbair]

Themes is a recurring, ahem, theme, so I may have to do that, while removing the pre-requisite for posted in the last calendar month.

This makes sense. It seems silly that someone might hold off on sharing their project just because of the one month window. Themes would be better, maybe with a six month window.

[Rewind]

Themes is a recurring, ahem, theme, so I may have to do that, while removing the pre-requisite for posted in the last calendar month.

There are so many themes that could work. Brand, color, year, obscurity, layout, material, etc. Love this idea!

[demik]

heres another thing I don't like.

Is there anyway that when I visit the keyboard forum it shows as visited without having to come in here and clear it? I stupidly keep thinking something new is posted and nope, it's just this sub that I haven't visited.

[Yoe]

I have a suggestion to even out the problem with great keyboards getting in the shadow of hard to beat competitors certain monthts: a second chance poll with all the second place kbds of every month (before the keyboard of the year poll) where the three most voted kbds gets into the keyboard of the year poll. Thoughts on this?