Author Topic: Does a small right shift mess you up? (Read 16236 times)

chyros · « **Reply #50 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 03:20:31 »

I use the right shift PRIMARILY actually! Even a capital A I would do with the right shift. I only use left shift as "run" in many games.

I'm not sure if it would bother me to have a small right shift though, I don't think I've ever had a board with one. Have had one where it was jammed into the arrow keys, but that was fine.

sidel · « **Reply #51 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 03:43:48 »

I use right shift nearly exclusively, but I honestly don't know if it would bother me because (now that I'm paying attention to it) I don't tend to hit the key very far in.

Findecanor · « **Reply #52 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 15:12:35 »

There is some crap Apple-lookalike compact keyboard that has ANSI layout keys but with ISO signals. To adjust for there not being an additional key between left Shift and Z (Backslash in UK, < > in DE,IT,NO,SF,DK,etc.), the left Shift key had been sacrificed to become that key.
I had to type on this keyboard at one time, and it was ridiculously annoying ...

jacobolus · « **Reply #53 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 15:18:28 »

Quote from: chyros on Thu, 05 February 2015, 03:20:31

I use the right shift PRIMARILY actually! Even a capital A I would do with the right shift.

If typing “properly” (which is to say, according to technique commonly taught in books/schools), everyone is supposed to use the right shift for capital A. The keys on the right hand (YUIOPHJKLNM) are the ones that should take left-pinky shift.

wordfool · « **Reply #54 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 20:30:53 »

I use the left shift almost exclusively when typing so the tiny r-shift on my Minila is not a huge deal. But I do tend to use the right shift when coding or using shortcut keys in applications, and that's when it can get a bit annoying. For the same reason I miss the right control key.

It's why I'm desperate to get hold of the Varmillo bluetooth clone of the Leopold 660. Big r-shift and r-control

falkentyne · « **Reply #55 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:08:13 »

What are you kids talking about?
I use right shift every time I need to capitalize a key on the left hand typing layout (QWERT, ASDFG, ZXCVB), as that's how we were taught to touch type in the good old days.
Doesn't EVERY touch typist use the right shift?
Do people not know how to touch type anymore?

Just how old are you people?
I wouldn't use a keyboard without a right shift key even if it were GIVEN to me and even if it were RGB, made by Ducky, with Romer-G perfect backlighting.

HoffmanMyster · « **Reply #56 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:52:04 »

Quote from: falkentyne on Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:08:13

What are you kids talking about?
I use right shift every time I need to capitalize a key on the left hand typing layout (QWERT, ASDFG, ZXCVB), as that's how we were taught to touch type in the good old days.
Doesn't EVERY touch typist use the right shift?
Do people not know how to touch type anymore?

Just how old are you people?
I wouldn't use a keyboard without a right shift key even if it were GIVEN to me and even if it were RGB, made by Ducky, with Romer-G perfect backlighting.

Well hello to you too.

And FTR, I know plenty of older people that can't even pretend to touch type. But generalizations are fun.

jacobolus · « **Reply #57 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:52:54 »

Quote from: falkentyne on Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:08:13

Doesn't EVERY touch typist use the right shift?

Obviously not. As one example, Sean Wrona, one of the fastest typists in the world, mostly eschews the shift keys altogether and just presses caps lock before and after each capitalized letter.

Touch typing techniques are highly variable. For example, I typically use the right shift, even for letters on my right hand (maybe 70–80% of the time, with no intentional pattern), reserving the left shift mostly when I need to shift a number (7–0) or symbol key, or when typing keyboard shortcuts. By contrast, my wife basically never uses right shift at all.

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Do people not know how to touch type anymore?

Well, first, most people don’t know how to touch type. But second, there’s nothing inherently wrong with developing a personal not-by-the-book technique. My personal feeling is that several aspects of “standard” technique are suboptimal, or in some cases actively harmful (i.e. lead to RSI).

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Just how old are you people?

I’m 29, and I was never formally trained to type. Though I did teach myself in a fairly deliberate way in about 5th grade.

demik · « **Reply #58 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:59:59 »

no, it does not. i use both shifts perfectly fine.

derezzed · « **Reply #59 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 22:00:25 »

I don't have small shift keys but, when I'm typing, I only hit the inside edge of the shift keys and I have large hands. The only time I use the outside edges of the shift keys is when I'm gaming with the left shift, or using right shift with the navigation keys (although, I could easily adapt to using the left shift with the navigation keys if the right shift was shortened to 1u).

MythicalWagyu · « **Reply #60 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 22:00:52 »

I learned to touch type out of necessity because of AOL instant messenger so I have terrible technique, I don't really follow the proper way of touch-typing at all. You could completely remove the right shift key and I would never notice

This is from one of my newer desktops:

falkentyne · « **Reply #61 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 22:00:52 »

I don't know.

Back in the early 1980's, we used IBM Selectric II's in typing class and that's how we were taught.
I don't remember any other method of touch typing. Maybe people came up with some other stuff...I really don't know. I just wanted to get my work done.
Originally before the school got those, they had some lever typewriters that would always get stuck.

I still remember the good old mechanical smell of warmed up Selectric II's.
And boy they felt GOOD to type on.

The IBM Model F was based on replicating that selectric II typing feel.

spiceBar · « **Reply #62 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 23:33:48 »

Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 04 February 2015, 19:02:04

Does having one of those smaller right side shift buttons mess you up when typing?
I'm talking about the layouts where they reduce the size of the shift to accommodate the arrow keys - usually the layout you get on the 84 style compact keyboards.

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I just can't get used to it

A reduced right Shift like on your pictures is OK (FC660C, ...).

A right Shift reduced to 1x is unusable (Minila...).

I do use the right Shift. I use it 7.5 times less than the left Shift, but I use it. In case you wonder, I know it is precisely 7.5 times less because my computer keeps statistics about my keyboard and mouse usage.

A side note: I converted to ANSI (from ISO) because I wanted a larger left Shift.

Nai_Calus · « **Reply #63 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 23:37:06 »

Quote from: falkentyne on Thu, 05 February 2015, 21:08:13

What are you kids talking about?

Hip kid stuff, you wouldn't understand.

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I use right shift every time I need to capitalize a key on the left hand typing layout (QWERT, ASDFG, ZXCVB), as that's how we were taught to touch type in the good old days.

The good old days? They still teach that.

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Doesn't EVERY touch typist use the right shift?

This entire thread basically proves they don't.

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Do people not know how to touch type anymore?

Anymore? I know less than a dozen people over the age of 40 who have any idea what the heck they're even doing with a keyboard. My mother more or less knows qwerty and my dad touch types dvorak. Everyone else I encounter who wasn't a teacher in my tech classes in college sits there and pecks at the keys with two fingers. It's the kids who know how to type.

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Just how old are you people?

31.

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I wouldn't use a keyboard without a right shift key even if it were GIVEN to me and even if it were RGB, made by Ducky, with Romer-G perfect backlighting.

Well, I'll take it then.

Sounds like a fun keyboard.

neverused · « **Reply #64 on:** Thu, 05 February 2015, 23:52:30 »

I use it only to type "L" every other time I use the left shift.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #65 on:** Fri, 06 February 2015, 14:00:30 »

Nope, not unless they have done something retarded like put the ? key on the right of shift... But I don't use right shift much anyway. I used keyboard to game far before I learned to type and have a very high left hand dominance when using the keyboard. My touch typing is way far from 'proper'. My GH60 has a locking switch on the right shift actually, shift lock literally. Using it normally can be a bit awkward. It's possible to actuate it without locking but it's not easy to do all the time.

Roibhilin · « **Reply #66 on:** Sat, 07 February 2015, 09:11:12 »

i like small Rshifts if there's a fn key replacing some of it

DrHubblePhD · « **Reply #67 on:** Sat, 07 February 2015, 10:30:14 »

I think I rely heaviliy on the right shift sometimes. I used to only use the left shift and then I thought when I learned to touch type that you were supposed to alternate which shift you used depending on what hand was typing. Now im just stuck using both but the short shift on my mini really isnt a problem

hwood34 · « **Reply #68 on:** Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:07:58 »

I don't think I ever use the right shift, though that may be a product of my less-than-exemplary typing form. The biggest problem with boards that have short right shifts is finding new cap sets

Tyrosh22 · « **Reply #69 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:24:16 »

I'd rather stick to the standard right shift even if I did not use it because of this:

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The biggest problem with boards that have short right shifts is finding new cap sets

mashby · « **Reply #70 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:34:24 »

I'm fine with it being a little bit shorter, like what's on the KBT Pure, but if it gets too short, I find it unusable.

When I first got back into mechanical keyboards, I bought the KBT Race. It was smaller than a Tenkeyless, but not as small as a 60%. I thought it was a happy medium. Unfortunately, the right shift did me in. I kept hitting the arrow key.

The right shift on the Race is 1.25x and the Pure is 1.75x, so I guess I'm saying that anything smaller than 1.75x is too small for me.

Flyersfan1 · « **Reply #71 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:39:01 »

Quote from: mashby on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:34:24

I'm fine with it being a little bit shorter, like what's on the KBT Pure, but if it gets too short, I find it unusable.

When I first got back into mechanical keyboards, I bought the KBT Race. It was smaller than a Tenkeyless, but not as small as a 60%. I thought it was a happy medium. Unfortunately, the right shift did me in. I kept hitting the arrow key.

The right shift on the Race is 1.25x and the Pure is 1.75x, so I guess I'm saying that anything smaller than 1.75x is too small for me.

Nice to see you back Mashby.

mashby · « **Reply #72 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:40:06 »

Quote from: Flyersfan1 on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:39:01

Nice to see you back Mashby.

Thanks Flyersfan1!

Bromono · « **Reply #73 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:51:12 »

what is the official size of the right short shift?

ideus · « **Reply #74 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:53:52 »

There is no official size for a right short shift key. But 1.75u is common.

Sygaldry · « **Reply #75 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:56:55 »

1.75u shift is best shift.

Bromono · « **Reply #76 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:03:23 »

Quote from: Sygaldry on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:56:55

1.75u shift is best shift.

So hard to fidn though =(

mashby · « **Reply #77 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:30:48 »

Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:03:23

Quote from: Sygaldry on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:56:55
1.75u shift is best shift.

So hard to fidn though =(

That's why you always buy a Tsangan kit.

Hypersphere · « **Reply #78 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:34:49 »

I use Right Shift much more than Left Shift. On most keyboards, the 2.75x Right Shift is much too large, but the 1.00x Right Shift on a few keyboards is much too small. I am okay with a Right Shift that is between 1.25x and 1.75x. For example, my HHKB Pro 2 has a 1.75x Right Shift with a 1.00x Fn key to the right of Right Shift; this is an ideal arrangement for me.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #79 on:** Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:35:59 »

I learned that I really need it on the JD40 with all the layers. So I suppose the smaller boards like 40% and 60%, I'd need it...even if it's small.

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Author Topic: Does a small right shift mess you up? (Read 16236 times)