2015 NFL Draft

[katushkin]

Yes I know the Super Bowl was only like 3 weeks ago, football is still relevant.

People watch American Football. People who like it a lot, do Fantasy Football. People who like FF a lot, watch the Scouting Combine.

So 2012 was the year of the super hyped, quite successful QBs. 2013 was the year of... Lean Sandcastle...? 2014 was the year of the linemen. What will 2015 be the year of?

There are only 2 QBs of note, and it seems mock drafts are pretty split down the middle as to who the Bucs will pick out of Mariota and Winston. People are talking about the linemen because last year, so many went in groups.

My attention has been drawn to the TEs and WRs. That's who I think will be the real winners this draft. No RBs have impressed me so far today, but I guess I will have to keep my eyes open over the next few days. I hope we (the Redskins) pick up at least 2 O linemen, one in the 1st round, a really good DE, and one really nice WR (DGB please)

So. Which group are you liking this year? Who do you hope your team picks up?

[hwood34]

Jameis winston will get drafted and turn become the new Johnny Manziel guaranteed. Some mock draft have the Falcons picking up another WR, which might be the stupidest thing in the world considering we already have jones, white, and douglas. What we need are some new DLs and DBs

[katushkin]

Jameis winston will get drafted and turn become the new Johnny Manziel guaranteed. Some mock draft have the Falcons picking up another WR, which might be the stupidest thing in the world considering we already have jones, white, and douglas. What we need are some new DLs and DBs

Yeah. The Falcons are not the first people who come to mind when you think of WR needs.

I don't think he will turn into Jonny Football, he hasn't really got the bad rep. But I do think he will be closer to a Teddy Bridgewater than an Andrew Luck. Haven't really heard much about either of them before watching them today.

[Flyersfan1]

I hope the eagles don't do anything stupid and try to move up significantly to get Mariota. We all know how well that worked out in 2012 for the Redskins.

[katushkin]

I hope the eagles don't do anything stupid and try to move up significantly to get Mariota. We all know how well that worked out in 2012 for the Redskins.

Mhmm...

No doubt there will be a few strange trades in the next few weeks.

[hwood34]

Jameis winston will get drafted and turn become the new Johnny Manziel guaranteed. Some mock draft have the Falcons picking up another WR, which might be the stupidest thing in the world considering we already have jones, white, and douglas. What we need are some new DLs and DBs

Yeah. The Falcons are not the first people who come to mind when you think of WR needs.

I don't think he will turn into Jonny Football, he hasn't really got the bad rep. But I do think he will be closer to a Teddy Bridgewater than an Andrew Luck. Haven't really heard much about either of them before watching them today.

Well, not sure what kind of rep you're talking about, he certainly has some bad rep. Seems like all I ever heard about on sportcenter was Winston doing some new dumb ****

[katushkin]

Well, not sure what kind of rep you're talking about, he certainly has some bad rep. Seems like all I ever heard about on sportcenter was Winston doing some new dumb ****

Oh, really? I probably haven't been listening that much. What **** has he been up to?

[Novus]

It's a trap.

[Flyersfan1]

I hope the eagles don't do anything stupid and try to move up significantly to get Mariota. We all know how well that worked out in 2012 for the Redskins.

Mhmm...

No doubt there will be a few strange trades in the next few weeks.

It's unfortunate because the rumor mill won't stop swirling since him and Chip have such a rich history. I think he's going to be a very good quarterback, but I'm very much against teams mortgaging their future for one player who hasn't proved anything. We have so many other glaring needs at the moment, like our entire secondary.

[katushkin]

It's unfortunate because the rumor mill won't stop swirling since him and Chip have such a rich history. I think he's going to be a very good quarterback, but I'm very much against teams mortgaging their future for one player who hasn't proved anything. We have so many other glaring needs at the moment, like our entire secondary.

Lol. That feel.

I don't think the Eagles need a QB SO badly that they should trade up for one of those two. In my eyes their receiver core and their QB work well and isn't something they need to worry about.

[hwood34]

Well, not sure what kind of rep you're talking about, he certainly has some bad rep. Seems like all I ever heard about on sportcenter was Winston doing some new dumb ****

Oh, really? I probably haven't been listening that much. What **** has he been up to?

There was the alleged sexual assault that did not result in any charges being filed; the questioning by police about a BB gun battle at an apartment complex near the Florida State campus; the citation for shoplifting $32 worth of crab legs and crawfish from a Publix; the accusation that he stole soda from a Burger King; and the one-game suspension for standing on a table in the student union and screaming a vulgarity.

Winston accomplished all of that in less than two years. If he has another two years like that, he will be gone from the NFL, most likely forever.

[katushkin]

There was the alleged sexual assault that did not result in any charges being filed; the questioning by police about a BB gun battle at an apartment complex near the Florida State campus; the citation for shoplifting $32 worth of crab legs and crawfish from a Publix; the accusation that he stole soda from a Burger King; and the one-game suspension for standing on a table in the student union and screaming a vulgarity.

Winston accomplished all of that in less than two years. If he has another two years like that, he will be gone from the NFL, most likely forever.

Literally the only bad thing in there is the sexual assault.

Shoplifting and a BB gun battle. Lmfao. It sounds like a disciplinary record from primary school. Which I guess is bad because he sounds immature, but you physically CAN'T do any of that stuff when you are a pro football player. Other than the sexual assault obviously.

That's nowhere near as bad as all the **** they were saying about Jonny Football.

[vindaon]

Literally the only bad thing in there is the sexual assault.
Shoplifting and a BB gun battle. Lmfao. It sounds like a disciplinary record from primary school. Which I guess is bad because he sounds immature, but you physically CAN'T do any of that stuff when you are a pro football player. Other than the sexual assault obviously.

That's nowhere near as bad as all the **** they were saying about Jonny Football.

Agreed. With JFF there was this sense that he just didn't give a ****. Didn't go to the weight room, didn't bother learning half the playbook, etc. Like he thought he was better than everyone else. At least, that's what I got from hearing about him, obviously I don't know him personally. With Winston, it seems more like a maturity issue. He does dumb ****, but it seems like the kind of **** that could be solved by growing up a little. As for the assault allegations, that's a whole nother can of worms. I'm just gonna say that story had so many holes... so I'm not gonna put a lot of stock into that.

As for the draft... It's unlikely but I hope Leonard Williams falls to the RAIDERS at 4! And I'm also hoping they pick up a WR in the second... Dorial Beckham-Green if he falls that low. We also desperately need a MLB.

[katushkin]

Agreed. With JFF there was this sense that he just didn't give a ****. Didn't go to the weight room, didn't bother learning half the playbook, etc. Like he thought he was better than everyone else. At least, that's what I got from hearing about him, obviously I don't know him personally. With Winston, it seems more like a maturity issue. He does dumb ****, but it seems like the kind of **** that could be solved by growing up a little. As for the assault allegations, that's a whole nother can of worms. I'm just gonna say that story had so many holes... so I'm not gonna put a lot of stock into that.

As for the draft... It's unlikely but I hope Leonard Williams falls to the RAIDERS at 4! And I'm also hoping they pick up a WR in the second... Dorial Beckham-Green if he falls that low. We also desperately need a MLB.

Nooooo, DBG is ours!! But only one of the analysts doing mock drafts on NFL.com has put him in their first round, and going to the Colts down in the 29th pick! Admittedly they did them before the combine, but still.

I've also looked, and they are all saying that the Redskins are going to take people at all different positions in the first round 0.0 If the analysts can't agree on who we should take, how the **** can we expect the wrong Gruden to decide?

[vindaon]

DBG seems to have problems with the reefer. Maybe California and Washington D.C. are both terrible places for him to be

I'll admit I'm not too familiar with the Skins problems. Seems like the RG3 trade really did a number on y'all. Is it more of a situation of "oh man, we need help EVERYWHERE!" or are your positions of need clearly defined? I do know that Gruden isn't too fond of RG3, but management seems to want him to be the guy.

I'd feel bad for the Skins, but the Raiders aren't exactly in the greatest place either. Although we do have clearly defined positions we need to address: Pass Rush, Receiver, Middle Linebacker. Lots of mocks are saying we take Amari Cooper, but I prefer to draft DEFENSE in the first. There will be some great WRs that will fall to the second, DBG was just the ideal example, I'm fine with anyone... our WRs are TERRIBLE...

[katushkin]

DBG seems to have problems with the reefer. Maybe California and Washington D.C. are both terrible places for him to be

I'll admit I'm not too familiar with the Skins problems. Seems like the RG3 trade really did a number on y'all. Is it more of a situation of "oh man, we need help EVERYWHERE!" or are your positions of need clearly defined? I do know that Gruden isn't too fond of RG3, but management seems to want him to be the guy.

I'd feel bad for the Skins, but the Raiders aren't exactly in the greatest place either. Although we do have clearly defined positions we need to address: Pass Rush, Receiver, Middle Linebacker. Lots of mocks are saying we take Amari Cooper, but I prefer to draft DEFENSE in the first. There will be some great WRs that will fall to the second, DBG was just the ideal example, I'm fine with anyone... our WRs are TERRIBLE...

We haven't got a QB and haven't for years. It's probably one of the worst teams to come to if you are a QB. It's basically a death sentence. We need a franchise QB so bad, that every time one turns up, they get a reaction the same way a living person would get in a crowd of zombies. Everyone expects them to be incredible, they get the whole weight of FedEx field put on their shoulders, and eventually crash and burn. The trade only burned us because RG3 got injured at the very end of the 2012 season, and our subsequent drafts to try and recover were screwed.

But at the end of the day, it isn't all the QB's fault. Jim Zorn wasn't great, our O line has always been average, and our secondary has always been awful. Our WRs are alright, and our tail back core is improving. Alfred Morris is a pretty awesome dude.

No, the Raiders aren't, I think they will take a WR in the first, and maybe trade up for another pick in the first as well.

[vindaon]

Yeah that whole bit about QBs could pretty much be applied to the Raiders as well up until last year. So glad we found Carr.

You're right about us probably drafting a WR in the first. Although if Williams is up on the board (probably not) we'd be stupid not to grab him. Just like how we landed Mack last year. Before the combine I'd saw Amari Cooper was the no brainer WR, but Kevin White showed elite speed at the combine, in addition to what we already knew. I'd say White has more potential, but Cooper probably has a higher floor.

[katushkin]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25077878/report-adrian-peterson-tells-vikings-he-wants-to-play-for-cowboys

[katushkin]

What is it with DBs... They are arrogant as **** even before they get in the league...

[vindaon]

They have to be, in my opinion. Being a DB is one of the hardest jobs in the NFL, especially in this pass-happy era. It's that fighter pilot mentality. Ask a room full of pilots who's the best, and every single one will point at themselves. DBs are the same way.

[katushkin]

They have to be, in my opinion. Being a DB is one of the hardest jobs in the NFL, especially in this pass-happy era. It's that fighter pilot mentality. Ask a room full of pilots who's the best, and every single one will point at themselves. DBs are the same way.

And QB isn't? QBs have to be the most down to earth, cliché spouting boring person, and if they screw up one game, they could be benched forever.

I don't think they have any reason to be the way they are. IMO.

[vindaon]

Good point with QBs. I have a theory. Not claiming I'm a master football tactician and that it's right, but here it is:

A QBs job is to read the defense. All of it. He has to keep track of the formation of the defense, what type it is (zone, man, etc), assign the mike, and so on. I think this favors a more analytical, down to earth mindset, like you said.

Whereas a DB usually only has to beat their guy. Especially if they're running a man-to-man defense, the DB focuses on beating the guy they're assigned to. Imo this favors a more cocky/confident attitude, "yeah, I can beat this kid no problem... easy!"

Anyway that's my theory, not saying I'm definitely right and you're definitely wrong. Just what I think.

[katushkin]

Good point with QBs. I have a theory. Not claiming I'm a master football tactician and that it's right, but here it is:

A QBs job is to read the defense. All of it. He has to keep track of the formation of the defense, what type it is (zone, man, etc), assign the mike, and so on. I think this favors a more analytical, down to earth mindset, like you said.

Whereas a DB usually only has to beat their guy. Especially if they're running a man-to-man defense, the DB focuses on beating the guy they're assigned to. Imo this favors a more cocky/confident attitude, "yeah, I can beat this kid no problem... easy!"

Anyway that's my theory, not saying I'm definitely right and you're definitely wrong. Just what I think.

I think you are right. DBs have two people to beat, their man and the QB. They think they are better than WRs and they have to think that in order to intimidate and put WRs under pressure.

But that shouldn't come off the field. The same way JJ Watt and Clay Matthews aggressive and crazy style of play doesn't come off the field. But why would you wear a hat, or a towel to the combine. Let your play style and your physical prowess stand out, not a gold watch or a piece of clothing to set you apart from the rest.

[vindaon]

But that shouldn't come off the field.

Definitely agree there. But some guys can't help it. I think there's two kinds of cockiness on the field. Natural and assumed.

There are guys that are just naturally cocky, it's just their personality. It's helped them succeed, and it's pissed off a lot of people off the field. I'm thinking Richard Sherman here.

Then there's this assumed cockiness. Guys who get into character on the field, but are pretty chill in real life. I've heard the Peyton Manning, of all people, is one of the biggest trash talkers on the field.

[bueller]

I'm going to use this as a place to vent about the recent FA movements.

Frank Gore is leaving SF

SO sad right now. If this BS about Kaep being shopped around is true I'm probably going to cry. At least there are rumors of AP coming to SF, that would console me somewhat.

[R1N3]

Jameis winston will get drafted and turn become the new Johnny Manziel guaranteed. Some mock draft have the Falcons picking up another WR, which might be the stupidest thing in the world considering we already have jones, white, and douglas. What we need are some new DLs and DBs

We..

My guy. I was sitting in the endzone when we threw the game to seattle two seasons ago. It hurts being a falcons fan. Where's our dynasty??

[hwood34]

demik must be smiling rn

[katushkin]

Lots of people are moving towards the Redskins picking up Winston... Why the **** would they want to do that..?

Gruden is an absolute *******. He has three "starting" QBs already, two of them actively want the starting job next year, and he is thinking of drafting another QB in the first round? This can only go badly.

Another life to ruin with the Redskins QB curse.

[hwood34]

Lots of people are moving towards the Redskins picking up Winston... Why the **** would they want to do that..?

Gruden is an absolute *******. He has three "starting" QBs already, two of them actively want the starting job next year, and he is thinking of drafting another QB in the first round? This can only go badly.

Another life to ruin with the Redskins QB curse.

Emphasis on the quotes around "starting." The redskins don't have a QB on their roster capable of leading the franchise in the long term. They just need to cut their losses with RG3 and keep Colt as a solid backup

[katushkin]

Emphasis on the quotes around "starting." The redskins don't have a QB on their roster capable of leading the franchise in the long term. They just need to cut their losses with RG3 and keep Colt as a solid backup

I agree. Who would you use as the starter? Cousins?

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just wondering what you think as I have literally no idea what would be the best plan in this situation.

[katushkin]

Ooooh yeah, the secondary is improving! Not that it was very difficult to improve on one of the worst secondarys in the league...

Jeron Johnson, come on down!

[vindaon]

49ers with the complete meltdown this offseason.

[hwood34]

49ers with the complete meltdown this offseason.

for real

[mauri]

DC is where QBs go to die ..

[katushkin]

DC is where QBs go to die ..

QFT.

I really really really really really hope Winston doesn't come to DC. We will just kill his career. And then if he has a slightly bad pre-season, he will just get dropped, seeing as all of last year's QBs are coming back this season as well.

[mauri]

DC is where QBs go to die ..

QFT.

I really really really really really hope Winston doesn't come to DC. We will just kill his career. And then if he has a slightly bad pre-season, he will just get dropped, seeing as all of last year's QBs are coming back this season as well.

RG3

[bueller]

49ers with the complete meltdown this offseason.

Don't remind me. And we're still waiting to hear on whether Justin Smith is retiring.

So that means we've lost the following: Frank Gore (Colts), Patrick Willis (Retired), Chris Borland (Retired), Mike Iupati (Cardinals) and possibly Justin Smith. This season is going to be rough. At least we've lost Crabtree, dude sucks a bag of ****s. I am interested to see the combo of Hyde and Bush at RB, Hyde was pretty damn entertaining to watch last season when he got a chance.

[hwood34]

 

[Lain1911]

I think the real question is did they deflate the balls :3

[katushkin]

I think the real question is did they deflate the balls :3

It's the question literally nobody is asking. The biggest non-story I've heard in sport for a long while

[Lain1911]

I think the real question is did they deflate the balls :3

It's the question literally nobody is asking. The biggest non-story I've heard in sport for a long while

I thought it might disappear if they won the superbowl.  )

[katushkin]

I think the real question is did they deflate the balls :3

It's the question literally nobody is asking. The biggest non-story I've heard in sport for a long while

I thought it might disappear if they won the superbowl.  )

Well I don't trawl through a lot of American media, but I've not heard anything about deflate gate since before the superbowl.

[vindaon]

Draft day.

[demik]

We shall be back.

[katushkin]

I don't know if I can watch it anywhere =/ dont know if gamepass is going to show it...

Edit: I can.

Please not Winston, please not Winston...

[absyrd]

I want some excitement. I hope there are tons of crazy trades. And, yeah, who the hell really wants Winston? I hope he drops like a rock.

[Flyersfan1]

I want some excitement. I hope there are tons of crazy trades. And, yeah, who the hell really wants Winston? I hope he drops like a rock.

Look for the eagles to do something incredibly exciting stupid tonight.

[absyrd]

I want some excitement. I hope there are tons of crazy trades. And, yeah, who the hell really wants Winston? I hope he drops like a rock.

Look for the eagles to do something incredibly exciting stupid tonight.

Exciting AND stupid, please.

[katushkin]

I want some excitement. I hope there are tons of crazy trades. And, yeah, who the hell really wants Winston? I hope he drops like a rock.

Look for the eagles to do something incredibly exciting stupid tonight.

Exciting AND stupid, please.

Leaning more towards stupid please

[hwood34]

I swear to god if the Falcons dont take Vic Beasley...