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Offline Novus

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Ping Therapy and support group.
« on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:21:22 »
Teepee here.
Any golfers?
Ping used to make really good clubs.

However keyboard ping is a different story.
Whether it be the plates or the springs.
I can't stand excessive ping
Cries
Comfort me
Share your story

I bought a new kul looking forward to it.
Then it pinged :/
My new pinging Kul is now just sitting there unloved.

Teepee out.



Offline Hellcatz

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:41:48 »
Lol did u start this post after tp4's post about pings?

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:51:08 »
please don't condone this behavior
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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:58:43 »
Is that the loud pitch buckling spring make after you hit a key?
I have mostly used Topre so I don't have to deal with ping luckily.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:59:47 »
I like Blues because they ping.   :thumb:

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 19:32:39 »
Lol did u start this post after tp4's post about pings?

please don't condone this behavior


Yea I did haha.

So I should have steered this in a more serious direction. This is not a troll thread but in frustrating situations it's helpful to make light of the situation and share with others.

I bought a kul that has an excessive resonance issue.


As you can see flipping the back fleet causes it to ring.
Kul told me that was because of their stiff thick steel plate. So I've never had ping before this board and like many other people I assumed it was just one of those weird proclivities things people take too seriously on geekhack. As you can see ping is an issue that's not always exaggerated

Anyways I talk more about this more in my review

Is that the loud pitch buckling spring make after you hit a key?
I have mostly used Topre so I don't have to deal with ping luckily.

I thought you had a code which pinged or maybe that was somebody else.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 19:38:40 »
I found a ping driver in a swamp on a golf course once. It was old and sweet.

As for keyboards? Go Thorpe, only thock baby!

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 19:47:25 »
Spent a week rebuilding LZ. Added some foam beneath PCB. Plate ping persists. Not exactly "ping" but a definite change in pitch as you work your way from the outside to the center of the board.

Mildly apparent with my right arrow, QAZ, ]'./, and Pause. Also found out it is related to the screw mounts in the top and bottom parts of the board. Must live with ittttt.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 00:32:36 »
Wow... Lots of ping threads popping up.
Just use headphones. Problem=solved.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 00:52:04 »
Wow... Lots of ping threads popping up.
Just use headphones. Problem=solved.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 01:07:27 »
Yea ... that was your thread.

During school, I wear my wallet on my right back pocket. Now, that may be the reason why the right side of my neck hurts, and right underneath my shoulder blade also.

comon what is this :/
Have some compassion for people that have excessive plate or spring resonance.
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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 03:08:53 »
Anyways to move this into a more serious direction.
Kul users help me out here -> https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69961.0

Any other users share your experience with some boards that have excessive ping and get the information out there.
Not starting a witch hunt to tarnish brands here but I think these things fall through the cracks too easily.


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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 05:15:39 »
Come on guys, lube the springs, put some rubber pieces on the plate to absorb the vibrations / change the resonant frequency and stop whining.
Buying more keycaps,
it really hacks my wallet,
but I must have them.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 10:00:37 »
Come on guys, lube the springs, put some rubber pieces on the plate to absorb the vibrations / change the resonant frequency and stop whining.
too lazy to desolder all those switches again ... :(
external stuffing isn't usually sufficient to prevent pinging plates, putting real pressure between the pcb and the plate is probably a better option, or maybe even gluing the switches to the plate for added vibration prevention (generally pcb-less keyboard makers glue switches to the plates it seems, but it's a good idea for the pcb+plate's too, until you need to remove a switch)

day after day I'm missing green switches more, one of these days I'm going to re-mod my green board, probably after my new keycaps ship from us, so in ~2 weeks ...
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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 10:55:19 »
I used to like Ping clubs back in the day.
I don't like keyboards that turned such an honorable noun into an annoying adjective.

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 17:04:15 »
I had a filco ninja tkl with MX blues, pinged me to death until I added the O-rings :( and then it still pinged
wasn't impressed with that.
Unless it's all to do with how hard you type on MX? are MX boards more prone to ping? :)

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 15 March 2015, 19:56:53 »
I tried blue and red o-rings on my MX Blue and Black keyboards--the ping persisted.

I removed the o-rings and 'stuffed' the boards with shelf liner, then tried an old yoga mat, even some sound-dampening material used in cars--no joy, the ping never subsided. It did diminish somewhat with the shelf liner and other sound-deadening materials, but it was still loud enough to be annoying, I got rid of CM and Filco keyboards.

The only MX keyboard (I still own) that doesn't ping is a Corsair K65 with MX Red switches. But Reds are a bit too light for me, so I hardly use the Corsair.

I'm all Realforce/55g Topre (2x) these days; they're quiet out-of-the-box, zero ping, and they 55g Topre switches have superb feel.

If a reasonably priced, stock, no-ping MX Clear keyboard is released, it will be my next purchase. Until then, no more CM, Filco, or KUL keyboards for me. I've not owned a WASD, but ping pandemic has escaped WASDs keyboards. And let's not forget CM and Filco's unwarranted price increases--same keyboards-->increased profit. As a consumer, 'Enough".

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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 16 March 2015, 03:49:00 »
I tried blue and red o-rings on my MX Blue and Black keyboards--the ping persisted.

I removed the o-rings and 'stuffed' the boards with shelf liner, then tried an old yoga mat, even some sound-dampening material used in cars--no joy, the ping never subsided. It did diminish somewhat with the shelf liner and other sound-deadening materials, but it was still loud enough to be annoying, I got rid of CM and Filco keyboards.

The only MX keyboard (I still own) that doesn't ping is a Corsair K65 with MX Red switches. But Reds are a bit too light for me, so I hardly use the Corsair.

I'm all Realforce/55g Topre (2x) these days; they're quiet out-of-the-box, zero ping, and they 55g Topre switches have superb feel.

If a reasonably priced, stock, no-ping MX Clear keyboard is released, it will be my next purchase. Until then, no more CM, Filco, or KUL keyboards for me. I've not owned a WASD, but ping pandemic has escaped WASDs keyboards. And let's not forget CM and Filco's unwarranted price increases--same keyboards-->increased profit. As a consumer, 'Enough".

On the contrary, Ping pandemic probably hit WASD the hardest, on the GH/thread, people deemed the code pingy on initial release and a lot of people returned the keyboard, suffice to say, the keyboard is similarly pingy

I think K65 is not pingy as the plate is very bulky, connecting to the upper chasis by bending upwards, that's why I was considering a K65 RGB a while ago, it doesn't look that bad, it would make a nice board donor (probably the regular K65 is better, to just buy, desolder, and put green/clear switches in)

As far as I'm concerned, either the plate needs to be non-pingy by nature like acrylic, or very strong/thick and small, like some 60%'s, or it should be complex in nature like the K65, which can't ping easily with that shape

After this realisation, I regretted not buying an infinity with the bent-plate, I bought 2 with flat plate's instead, but it seems the bent plate would have been ping free by design/side-gain
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Re: Ping Therapy and support group.
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 16 March 2015, 11:52:20 »
Today I had a burst of inspiration and I managed to eliminate the ping on my retired WASD V2 board with green switches, I'm probably gonna share 1-2 articles on the process soon, one of them will be a new mod type that only requires the de-soldering of ~6-8 switches

But I could've probably carved a new keyboard out of wood with this much effort and tinkering

I've noticed that the ping is impossible to eliminate, yet it's possible to reduce the duration and magnitude of the plate ping, which then gets masked by the keypresses

This is probably why some keyboards ping and some don't, their unique dynamics probably mask the ping, or they have better/different plates
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