What's our stance on white supremacy here?

[tigersharkdude]

[BunnyLake]

i may not agree nazis, but gosh if the germans dont have a good answer for people like this

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/04/moaning_ban

[iri]

it's so nice to have a functioning ignore list here. saves traffic and time from being wasted on 17mb signature gifs or retarded teenagers' avatars and posts.

[paicrai]

I wanted to make an apology post.

I honestly wasn't trying to be some edgy teenager by making Rommel my profile picture.

Rommel and his Afrika Korps were never charged with a war crime and consistently denied orders to kill Jewish soldiers and civilians that they came across. Rommel wasn't a Nazi, he was a German man that fought for his country; similar to Robert E. Lee in the American Civil War.

I apologize to anyone I offended and I hope you don't imagine me as some deranged neonazi because I am not one.

enjoy your multiculturalism sweetie;)

[hwood34]

it's so nice to have a functioning ignore list here. saves traffic and time from being wasted on 17mb signature gifs or retarded teenagers' avatars and posts.

you'd be surprised at how many functioning, voting adults can do worse

[demik]

I wanted to make an apology post.

I honestly wasn't trying to be some edgy teenager by making Rommel my profile picture.

Rommel and his Afrika Korps were never charged with a war crime and consistently denied orders to kill Jewish soldiers and civilians that they came across. Rommel wasn't a Nazi, he was a German man that fought for his country; similar to Robert E. Lee in the American Civil War.

I apologize to anyone I offended and I hope you don't imagine me as some deranged neonazi because I am not one.

enjoy your multiculturalism sweetie;)

Yeah I call bull****.

Wife's bike got stolen. Bye bye five hundred pounds.

I hope you're enjoying the multiculturalism of your new home

If you aren't trying to be edgy you obv have alternative views on race. What with the questionable **** you say and the avys.

[metalliqaz]

Dafuq did I jus read?

[Photekq]

I think it's clear that my education was far different from most other people in this thread. I was taught about the horrific things that the Nazis did, but also about the amazing things they did for their country & people. It seems that most other people have been brainwashed into thinking that the Nazis were pure evil, and the worst group of people in the history of mankind. It really sickens me how biased the education system is in America & Britain (excluding my school, apparently). Instead of pointing out what the Nazis did wrong and what they did right, then trying to learn from those things, we just brainwash our population into thinking they were pure evil from an early age. Anyone who says otherwise is branded as anti-semitic, racist, and a monster. Any media which says otherwise is branded as extremist. Banning Nazi-related avatars is no better than this.

If bad groups of people = offensive groups of people, then you should find my current avatar FAR more offensive than any Nazi-related avatar. Barack Obama - the face of the US Government. The most horrific, unethical, monstrous group of people that's existed in the past few hundred years. A group of people that has decimated and torn apart countries just to line their own pockets. A group of people who is in the process of ripping their own country apart. Again, just to line their own pockets. You say 6,000,000 Jews (a grossly exaggerated figure), I say 6,000,000 Libyans.

I saw billnye apologizing for his Rommel avatar. Firstly, I would like to give a reason for me having Hitler as my avatar. It was because, iirc, I lost a bet. I won't use that to defend myself though, as I probably would have had him as my profile picture at some point even if it weren't for that. While I agree with most people - Hitler had some pretty serious mental problems and did some pretty ****ty things, I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the way he came to power, and his intentions for his country and people. You cannot deny he loved his country and his people, and you cannot deny that while he was in power (until before the start of WW2) he transformed his country into a powerhouse against all odds.

I will not apologize for having Hitler as my avatar. If you were offended by a picture of a person who died 70 years ago then you deserve to be offended.

I'm sure I'll be branded as a racist anti-semite for this post. Frankly, I do not care. I would rather be branded as such than surrender my opinions to political correctness.

[Photekq]

Sorry, got a bit distracted there. I actually intended to just make a 1-line post which directly addressed the OP :

If someone has a Nazi-related avatar that does not make them a white supremacist. It does not even mean they support/agree with any of the Nazis actions. Don't make assumptions like that.

[demik]

I respect the KKK because they love their people.

[baldgye]

Sorry, got a bit distracted there. I actually intended to just make a 1-line post which directly addressed the OP :

If someone has a Nazi-related avatar that does not make them a white supremacist. It does not even mean they support/agree with any of the Nazis actions. Don't make assumptions like that.

What kind of nonsense is this?
An avatar is an image you attach to your account. The image you pick is by default the image people associat with you. If you pic the picture of a Nazi general in full uniform, then people will associate you with said Nazi and Nazism.
If you don't want that to happen, don't pick a Nazi officer as your avatar.

It's like when you had a Nige avatar, how was it wrong of anyone to assume you where a UKIP supporter?


And while the Nazi's did some good and the Blitz has helped the UK's big cites with town planning, they also went about committing the worst genoside (?) in recorded history.
It's like how old Italians glorify Musolini and the famous fact that the trains always ran on time, and then forget that he brutally murdered anyone in his path.
Like let's be ****ing real and have some perspective.

[demik]

You bring up the U.S. and compare it to nazi Germany. Remind me what the Jews did to Germans that warranted the genocide. Compared to us and ISIL. See I would have agreed with you if you would have brought up the systematic elimination of native americans..  But then I remembered that was British immigrants.

But my education is obviously not on par with yours.

[Photekq]

I respect the KKK because they love their people.

The two really cannot be compared.

The KKK are a bunch of idiots who think they're making a difference and benefiting their people by doing their little rallies, whereas Hitler really did make a difference to his country and to his people.

When he came to power his country was in a hopeless financial and industrial state. The German people had no faith in their country, no hope. By the time WW2 started he had transformed his country into a powerhouse, and he made the German people believe in their country more than ever. That is what I find admirable, and only that.

And while the Nazi's did some good and the Blitz has helped the UK's big cites with town planning, they also went about committing the worst genoside (?) in recorded history.
It's like how old Italians glorify Musolini and the famous fact that the trains always ran on time, and then forget that he brutally murdered anyone in his path.
Like let's be ****ing real and have some perspective.

I clearly said that the Nazis did horrific things, and that Hitler had serious mental problems and did terrible things.

If you pic the picture of a Nazi general in full uniform, then people will associate you with said Nazi and Nazism.

I wouldn't associate somebody with a Nazi uniform with Nazism. I would think that the reasons behind the avatar were more complex than "Woo, Nazism!". I wouldn't make an assumption with so little information.

[baldgye]

Also if you have admiration for how Hitler came to power then you either don't know history well or are a very disturbed little boy.

[jwaz]

creepy

omg hi, sth

[Photekq]

You bring up the U.S. and compare it to nazi Germany. Remind me what the Jews did to Germans that warranted the genocide. Compared to us and ISIL. See I would have agreed with you if you would have brought up the systematic elimination of native americans..  But then I remembered that was British immigrants.

But my education is obviously not on par with yours.

Firstly, I did not mean to imply that my education was better than anyone in this thread. I was just saying how biased the British and American education system is when it comes to the Nazis.

Secondly, who ever mentioned ISIL?

I mentioned Libya. A country that was among most prosperous democracy in Africa with a leader that, again, only wanted the best for his country & people. Thanks to the US, that man is dead. His country is war-torn and decimated. All in order to boost the petrodollar. Of course, popular media would have you believe otherwise..

[baldgye]

You might have done a better job of not implying that, if you had gone to a better school... Though I'm curious which public school you went too...

[demik]

Dude that's exactly what you implied. Even singling out your specific school.

And let's not fool ourselves here, the UK/Europe has as much oil blood on their hands as the U.S. does.

And for as much as you and bill claim to be Libertarian, you sure have a hard on for fascism.

[jdcarpe]

did someone say ISIL?

[Photekq]

Dude that's exactly what you implied. Even singling out your specific school.

And let's not fool ourselves here, the UK/Europe has as much oil blood on their hands as the U.S. does.

As I said, I really did not mean to imply that at all. Until recently I thought everyone was taught the same things I was when it came to the Nazis. It's become apparent to me that isn't the case, and that I was lucky to not receive the same amount of bias. I can safely say that (perhaps outside of my History lessons) my education is on par with state educated children in Britain.

@baldgye, I do not go to a public school. (Worth noting to non-UK readers that public school is where all the upper-class kids go, I know it sounds like the opposite.)

Oh, don't get me wrong, the EU is just as guilty as the US for going along with their schemes. I just mentioned the US government specifically because we were talking about single groups of people. Furthermore, I think the USA is the greatest nation on Earth. I just hate your government with a passion. I also hate the EU, but love Europe.

[meiosis]

What a time to be alive

[baldgye]

Ha the fact you think public school is only for the upper classes shows how young you are, or brainwashed...

[Photekq]

Ha the fact you think public school is only for the upper classes shows how young you are, or brainwashed...

I never said that. I said public school is where all the upper class kids go. I didn't say that nobody outside the upper class went to them.

There is a distinct difference between what I said and what you thought I said.

[baldgye]

Then you'd also be wrong about that

[paicrai]

I think it's clear that my education was far different from most other people in this thread. I was taught about the horrific things that the Nazis did, but also about the amazing things they did for their country & people. It seems that most other people have been brainwashed into thinking that the Nazis were pure evil, and the worst group of people in the history of mankind. It really sickens me how biased the education system is in America & Britain (excluding my school, apparently). Instead of pointing out what the Nazis did wrong and what they did right, then trying to learn from those things, we just brainwash our population into thinking they were pure evil from an early age. Anyone who says otherwise is branded as anti-semitic, racist, and a monster. Any media which says otherwise is branded as extremist. Banning Nazi-related avatars is no better than this.

If bad groups of people = offensive groups of people, then you should find my current avatar FAR more offensive than any Nazi-related avatar. Barack Obama - the face of the US Government. The most horrific, unethical, monstrous group of people that's existed in the past few hundred years. A group of people that has decimated and torn apart countries just to line their own pockets. A group of people who is in the process of ripping their own country apart. Again, just to line their own pockets. You say 6,000,000 Jews (a grossly exaggerated figure), I say 6,000,000 Libyans.

I saw billnye apologizing for his Rommel avatar. Firstly, I would like to give a reason for me having Hitler as my avatar. It was because, iirc, I lost a bet. I won't use that to defend myself though, as I probably would have had him as my profile picture at some point even if it weren't for that. While I agree with most people - Hitler had some pretty serious mental problems and did some pretty ****ty things, I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the way he came to power, and his intentions for his country and people. You cannot deny he loved his country and his people, and you cannot deny that while he was in power (until before the start of WW2) he transformed his country into a powerhouse against all odds.

I will not apologize for having Hitler as my avatar. If you were offended by a picture of a person who died 70 years ago then you deserve to be offended.

I'm sure I'll be branded as a racist anti-semite for this post. Frankly, I do not care. I would rather be branded as such than surrender my opinions to political correctness.

god what the **** am i reading

[Photekq]

Then you'd also be wrong about that

I'm talking about public schools specifically, e.g Eton. I don't mean private schools or independent schools, but rather the more expensive, more elite public schools.

I may still be wrong, just wanted to make sure there's no confusion.

Anyway, you picked on my explanation of something. It was not really relevant to any argument, I just wanted to make it clear to people living outside the UK. Perhaps a better explanation would've been :

Public schools are fee-paying schools that usually cost quite a lot.

god what the **** am i reading

Right on time!

[Lurch]

What a time to be alive

[baldgye]

As someone who went to public school I have a somewhat different view...


I also went to state school and the 'best' state school in my area, so I worry about your idea of a 'good' education

[demik]

I think it's clear that my education was far different from most other people in this thread. I was taught about the horrific things that the Nazis did, but also about the amazing things they did for their country & people. It seems that most other people have been brainwashed into thinking that the Nazis were pure evil, and the worst group of people in the history of mankind. It really sickens me how biased the education system is in America & Britain (excluding my school, apparently). Instead of pointing out what the Nazis did wrong and what they did right, then trying to learn from those things, we just brainwash our population into thinking they were pure evil from an early age. Anyone who says otherwise is branded as anti-semitic, racist, and a monster. Any media which says otherwise is branded as extremist. Banning Nazi-related avatars is no better than this.

If bad groups of people = offensive groups of people, then you should find my current avatar FAR more offensive than any Nazi-related avatar. Barack Obama - the face of the US Government. The most horrific, unethical, monstrous group of people that's existed in the past few hundred years. A group of people that has decimated and torn apart countries just to line their own pockets. A group of people who is in the process of ripping their own country apart. Again, just to line their own pockets. You say 6,000,000 Jews (a grossly exaggerated figure), I say 6,000,000 Libyans.

I saw billnye apologizing for his Rommel avatar. Firstly, I would like to give a reason for me having Hitler as my avatar. It was because, iirc, I lost a bet. I won't use that to defend myself though, as I probably would have had him as my profile picture at some point even if it weren't for that. While I agree with most people - Hitler had some pretty serious mental problems and did some pretty ****ty things, I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the way he came to power, and his intentions for his country and people. You cannot deny he loved his country and his people, and you cannot deny that while he was in power (until before the start of WW2) he transformed his country into a powerhouse against all odds.

I will not apologize for having Hitler as my avatar. If you were offended by a picture of a person who died 70 years ago then you deserve to be offended.

I'm sure I'll be branded as a racist anti-semite for this post. Frankly, I do not care. I would rather be branded as such than surrender my opinions to political correctness.

god what the **** am i reading

Hitler praise being justified. Or something similar. Scary isn't it.

[baldgye]

I think it's clear that my education was far different from most other people in this thread. I was taught about the horrific things that the Nazis did, but also about the amazing things they did for their country & people. It seems that most other people have been brainwashed into thinking that the Nazis were pure evil, and the worst group of people in the history of mankind. It really sickens me how biased the education system is in America & Britain (excluding my school, apparently). Instead of pointing out what the Nazis did wrong and what they did right, then trying to learn from those things, we just brainwash our population into thinking they were pure evil from an early age. Anyone who says otherwise is branded as anti-semitic, racist, and a monster. Any media which says otherwise is branded as extremist. Banning Nazi-related avatars is no better than this.

If bad groups of people = offensive groups of people, then you should find my current avatar FAR more offensive than any Nazi-related avatar. Barack Obama - the face of the US Government. The most horrific, unethical, monstrous group of people that's existed in the past few hundred years. A group of people that has decimated and torn apart countries just to line their own pockets. A group of people who is in the process of ripping their own country apart. Again, just to line their own pockets. You say 6,000,000 Jews (a grossly exaggerated figure), I say 6,000,000 Libyans.

I saw billnye apologizing for his Rommel avatar. Firstly, I would like to give a reason for me having Hitler as my avatar. It was because, iirc, I lost a bet. I won't use that to defend myself though, as I probably would have had him as my profile picture at some point even if it weren't for that. While I agree with most people - Hitler had some pretty serious mental problems and did some pretty ****ty things, I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the way he came to power, and his intentions for his country and people. You cannot deny he loved his country and his people, and you cannot deny that while he was in power (until before the start of WW2) he transformed his country into a powerhouse against all odds.

I will not apologize for having Hitler as my avatar. If you were offended by a picture of a person who died 70 years ago then you deserve to be offended.

I'm sure I'll be branded as a racist anti-semite for this post. Frankly, I do not care. I would rather be branded as such than surrender my opinions to political correctness.

god what the **** am i reading

Hitler praise being justified. Or something similar. Scary isn't it.

There is scarier stuff going on in Wales

[Photekq]

There is scarier stuff going on in Wales

Good one.

[madhias]

You cannot deny he loved his country and his people, and you cannot deny that while he was in power (until before the start of WW2) he transformed his country into a powerhouse against all odds.

OMFG.

[Photekq]

OMFG.

Well, can you deny it? Just the same as I cannot deny that he did terrible, terrible, unjustifiable things, I don't think you can.

[demik]

Against all odds = being stopped from ending a race

[madhias]

OMFG.

Well, can you deny it? Just the same as I cannot deny that he did terrible, terrible, unjustifiable things, I don't think you can.

Nothing was turned in 'a powerhouse against all odds'. Seriously, don't show your political attitude in that way in an official, open forum. I don't know what you want to achieve, but it is stupid to compare completely different things to trivialize the nazis.

[baldgye]

Photekq is a good example of why the new EU's laws on the right to be forgotten on the Internet are a good thing

[Photekq]

Photekq is a good example of why the new EU's laws on the right to be forgotten on the Internet are a good thing

Usually I stop talking when a discussion deteriorates to a comment like this. I'll do what I usually do, unless something else meaningful gets posted.

Thanks baldgye & others.

[baldgye]

Don't thank me, thank the third reich

[demik]

Now the real question is.. Can I post girls in bikinis?

[tjcaustin]

Now the real question is.. Can I post girls in bikinis?

Heidi did nothing wrong.

[baldgye]

Only Nazi bikinis

[demik]

Now the real question is.. Can I post girls in bikinis?

Heidi did nothing wrong.

Mine and hitler's wet dream

[greath]

Only Nazi bikinis

[nubbinator]

Now the real question is.. Can I post girls in bikinis?

Heidi did nothing wrong.

Mine Mein and hitler's wet dream

[berserkfan]

Sorry, got a bit distracted there. I actually intended to just make a 1-line post which directly addressed the OP :

If someone has a Nazi-related avatar that does not make them a white supremacist. It does not even mean they support/agree with any of the Nazis actions. Don't make assumptions like that.

I respect the KKK because they love their people.

Photekq, it is clear from your post why we can communicate and have mutual respect. You were making points that I wanted to drive home as well. I am suspecting you have some pretty good education here because it doesn’t sound like the type of education that comes from reading The Sun and Dandy and Beano comics.

The purpose of learning history is to learn from other people’s experiences so that we do not repeat the same mistakes. We all say Nazis now are evil, but a lot of people in Europe, German and otherwise, believed in Fascism in the 1930s.

Fascism also originated in an environment of racial supremacy. When Hitler was putting people in gas chambers, he was Adolf come Lately. Other European empires had spent hundreds of years genociding non European peoples. The Germans merely made these horrors even more systemic and blatant. EG most of the expansion of the USA was filled with small scale massacres of ‘redskins’ and giving them smallpox blankets and what not, rather than committed at a single concentration camp with gas ovens with huge piles of bodies that would sicken the conscience of even committed KKK members.

You wanna talk about numbers, USA, Spain, England, Portugal, Russia and Belgium have way more numbers than the 11-12m attributed to the Holocaust. Before we ban Hitler’s avatar, let’s ban Andrew Jackson’s first. He drove out the Untermenschen and created much Lebensraum for white Americans but was smart enough to do it via death marches so there isn’t a single mass grave for future historians to exhume.

Demik, I don’t think we ‘respect’ anyone because they loved their people. Photekq was probably pointing out that in the Nazis’ eyes, they were good people because Jews were bad. This is a terrible delusion to act on, but everyday people continue to act on their delusions and in the 21st century we have worse delusions to worry about since Neo Nazis are fringe movements. Go ask the Muslims about their holy wars. Many Muslims believe violent jihad is sanctioned by the Koran and permissible in any place not under Islamic law (dar al Harb). But when you ask them what kind of God their Allah is, they will say Allah is benevolent and compassionate and what not.

[pasph]

I hope sprit will deliver my stuff soon so i can be out of all of this ****
Dear berserkfan the fact that nazi's crimes against mankind, cause this is what they are not simply something someone 'don't like' or 'aren't cool', are not the only one in the history don't makes Hitler a good guy or simply an old story we can forget

[greath]

I hope sprit will deliver my stuff soon so i can be out of all of this ****
Dear berserkfan the fact that nazi's crimes against mankind, cause this is what they are not simply something someone 'don't like' or 'aren't cool', are not the only one in the history don't makes Hitler a good guy or simply an old story we can forget

Berserkfan wasn't saying Hitler was a "good guy." He was saying that there were aspects of the man, when taken out of context, that could been seen as redeemable qualities.

Pointing out intelligence in a man who committed horrible deeds is not saying the deeds are not horrible. That would be like saying "you can't say any positive traits about the US founding fathers because they owned slaves," or "you can't say anything positive about Nirvana's music because Kurt Cobain committed suicide." 

What Hitler did is unforgivable, and I don't know anyone sees those actions in any other light. That does not mean we cannot respect his ability to motivate a nation of people. Mutual exclusivity does not apply here, and I'm pretty sure that's what Berserkfan was trying to say.

My apologies Berserkfan if I am putting words in your mouth which you did not intend.

[baldgye]

Hitler was not intelligent, he was a lunatic.

[tufty]

Holy ****, I can't believe I'm about to post in this.

Hitler's rise to power was via the German Worker's Party DAP which became the National Socialist Party or, as we now know it, the Nazi party.  From its inception post WWI, this was an anti-marxist, anti-democratic, and, above all, anti-semitic party.

As an aside here, anti-semitism isn't anything new over here in the old world.  In the 13th century, before any of you hamburger wogs had decided to bugger off and **** the redskins up, us brits were shipping jews out into the channel on the pretext of "repatriating" them, dumping them overboard, and coming back into harbour to pick up  new load.  During and after the black death, guess who was blamed?  So, it's not new.  But "Mein Kampf" went quite a lot further than most.

So, the DAP was, like current day France's "Front National", the UK's "UKIP" and so on, a single-issue party; one who blamed the woes of a nation on the "other".  One who claimed to be for and of "the people" but was actually far closer to a feudalistic "us and them" setup.  Parties like these prolifer in difficult times, and post 2008 it's hardly a surprise to find parallels the world over.  The only real difference is that Hitler appears to have actually believed the tripe he was spouting.  And boy, did he spout.  He was a very good speaker, but being a good speaker doesn't make one a good person (see, for example, Jeffrey Archer - an atrocious author but excellent speaker - he could have been prime minister if it weren't for the ****s, the insider trading and the lying to parliament, really).  Hitler didn't have to worry about niceties like that though - anyone who stood in his way got a visit from the boys in brown shirts.

Hitler turned Germany into a "powerhouse" by borrowing and printing money, and by forcing companies into state control.  Inflation soared, wages fell.  The only way Germany could possibly have repaid its debts was via aggressive expansion.  Unemployment fell mainly by removing women from the workforce to make space for the massively unemployed male population, and later, of course, by conscription.

The financial crisis created by Hitler's policies, of course, was put down to the jews.

It was all smoke and mirrors.  Hitler might not have been the most evil man to have ever lived, nor even the most evil man of the century, but he was certainly no economic genius.

[Air tree]

What a cluster **** this thread has turned into...(Not that it wasn't one at the start)  )