Author Topic: Topre Realforce: Low-Noise Line announced (Read 33670 times)

washuai · « **Reply #50 on:** Tue, 29 June 2010, 20:12:05 »

I'm definitely more interested in the low noise version. Typed, as I listen to the ribbit of my Filco's overzealous space bar. Given the 87U got pulled from Elite keyboards, making it harder (costlier) to get, I'm guessing getting the silent version is even more complicated.

How does one tell low noise model(s) apart from regular one? I did check the all things Topre first.

washuai · « **Reply #51 on:** Tue, 29 June 2010, 21:00:05 »

Quote from: ripster;197780

Has a different model number.

That model number is?

blueslobster · « **Reply #52 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 10:08:35 »

Hi there. Does - in light of these new low-noise Topres - anyone expect a new HHKB to be released?

SamSpade · « **Reply #53 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 10:29:26 »

I think I'm gonna buy a tenkeyless Realforce topre, when they become avaiable at EK, just to try it. Judging by what people say about topre, they must be the holy grail of keyboards.

washuai · « **Reply #54 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 15:10:38 »

Yea, Topre isn't for everyone, it is important to do your homework. For those who like smooth quiet and the quality, they are currently the cream of the crop.
I even suspect, that when all is said and done, I probably will still prefer the key press feel of PCB mounted cherries to the Topre, but it won't stop the Topre from becoming my daily driver, if I get one.
At least with the HHKB, someone can test drive the layout with the lite (or auto hot key, kinda), if they're worried they might hate it, though it still doesn't tell them much about the feel.

itlnstln · « **Reply #55 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 06:54:33 »

The Topre feel is rather unimpressive. It's better than a rubber dome for sure, but the overall force is curve is still similar, and I prefer switches that increase in resistance over the key press more so than those that present the majority of the resistance closer the beginning.

microsoft windows · « **Reply #56 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 10:41:58 »

I love the Chinglish on the box on the first page.

sixty · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 26 November 2010, 00:00:15 »

When I last mailed Topre about the possibility of Topre geekhack keys (more on that topic within a few weeks hopefully), I also asked about the low noise line. The kind support even made a graph for our wiki. Apparently the difference is about 30% less loud than the standard model:

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REALFORCE SILENT KEYBOARDS

The most stimulated sounds for human auditory sense is frequency 2500 to 5000 Hz.The REALFORCE keyboard has different typing sounds among keys and each key have stimulated sounds within this frequencythat gives typist to uncomfortable sounds. Therefore, we tried to decrease this stimulated sound and achieved 30% reduction ofthe stimulated sounds adding new parts inside of key switch. Please refer the difference from the graph mentioned below:

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[Specification]
　　Name: REALFORCE91UBK-S
　　Model No.: NG01BS　
　　Switch system: Capacitive Key Switch
　　Switch life: 30 million times
　　Key No.: 91keys
　　Peak force: 30 g, 45g, 55g±15g
　　Travel length: 4.0mm
　　Color: Black　
　　Printing: Razor Printing

So basically that foam ring and the other small rubber piece seem to do all the work. The plate and the rest of the switch construction remain the same. I bet those high spikes in the graph are the space bar.

Someone should add this to the wiki, I'm short of time right now.

Any other questions and Topre mysteries that we did not solve yet? I'll ask in my next mail. Might start by asking what Razor printing is.. I guess engraving+fill?

sixty · « **Reply #58 on:** Fri, 26 November 2010, 00:03:42 »

When I last mailed Topre about the possibility of Topre geekhack keys (more on that topic within a few weeks hopefully), I also asked about the low noise line. The kind support even made a graph for our wiki. Apparently the difference is about 30% less loud than the standard model:

Quote

REALFORCE SILENT KEYBOARDS

The most stimulated sounds for human auditory sense is frequency 2500 to 5000 Hz.The REALFORCE keyboard has different typing sounds among keys and each key have stimulated sounds within this frequencythat gives typist to uncomfortable sounds. Therefore, we tried to decrease this stimulated sound and achieved 30% reduction ofthe stimulated sounds adding new parts inside of key switch. Please refer the difference from the graph mentioned below:

Quote

[Specification]
　　Name: REALFORCE91UBK-S
　　Model No.: NG01BS　
　　Switch system: Capacitive Key Switch
　　Switch life: 30 million times
　　Key No.: 91keys
　　Peak force: 30 g, 45g, 55g±15g
　　Travel length: 4.0mm
　　Color: Black　
　　Printing: Razor Printing

So basically that foam ring and the other small rubber piece seem to do all the work. The plate and the rest of the switch construction remain the same. I bet those high spikes in the graph are the space bar.

Someone should add this to the wiki, I'm short of time right now.

Any other questions and Topre mysteries that we did not solve yet? I'll ask in my next mail. Might start by asking what Razor printing is.. I guess engraving+fill?

msiegel · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 26 November 2010, 00:17:02 »

Quote from: sixty;252455

Switch life: 30 million times

O_O

first i've heard of this! thanks for asking

edit: "Razor", eh? XD

Sam · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 26 November 2010, 03:23:48 »

Quote from: sixty;252455

Might start by asking what Razor printing is.. I guess engraving+fill?

My guess: 'Laser' translated to Japanese, then back to English.

steinfx · « **Reply #61 on:** Tue, 30 November 2010, 21:41:05 »

I wonder if they plan on releasing a silent 86u as well. I'm not a big fan of the 87u, the second windows key seems like it was just kind of thrown in there. Maybe I'm just being too picky.

noodles256 · « **Reply #62 on:** Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:40:23 »

Quote from: clickclack;162096

I know people who really would like a quiet keyboard, but have found the quiet offerings to be rather poor. This sounds like a great product for them. I however love the sound of the keys on the 87u and HHK boards.

That earlier quote about the rubber dome having been altered sounds odd to me. I don't think the rubber domes contribute to the "noise" making at all. I think all the noise comes from the plastic independant sliding stem. And the majority of the noise seems to come from the rebound. So I would think that a solution similar to what they did on the old AEKII boards (dampened sliders) would be more ideal. Hmm... unless the dome was "attached" to the underside of the keystem.

The diagram (if new) is rather confusing to me. There seems to be yet another rubber dome surrounding the inner normal-ish dome. Either way the illustration is deceptive yes/no?

I agree, I love the sound of the Topre. Normalising it makes me sad

RiGS · « **Reply #63 on:** Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:41:39 »

bump.

hasu · « **Reply #64 on:** Sat, 05 March 2011, 22:06:55 »

Topre has a news release about plan of following products including low-noise 108. These are the first part of REALFORCE 10th anniversary project and will be available at beginning of April.

REALFORCE 108UH-S(SA010S)
Keytop set for 108(108keys per set)

SA0100KT1: white
SA0100KT2: sky-blue
SA0100KT3: red
SA0100KT4: yellow
SA0100KT5: orange

This is news release by Topre in Japanese.
http://www.fs.topre.co.jp/news/20110304/info_0304.pdf

This is Japanese layout keyboard and is not taste for most of you including me. But we can look forward to next coming from Topre.

/* I like reuse of thread with proper subject. GHers consume too many threads :) */

RiGS · « **Reply #65 on:** Sun, 06 March 2011, 05:20:50 »

Thanks for the info.

popol · « **Reply #66 on:** Fri, 11 March 2011, 03:29:55 »

Quote from: blueslobster;199321

Hi there. Does - in light of these new low-noise Topres - anyone expect a new HHKB to be released?

Yes, I've been emailing PFU FUjitsu a few days ago and here is their answer

"Thank you for your inquiry regarding Happy Hacking Keyboard.

We are examining the adoption of a new key switch system.
It is undecided when to sell it.

...(blah bla blah about no plan to seel it to foreign countries out of Japan, but that was already the case

"

002 · « **Reply #67 on:** Fri, 11 March 2011, 05:18:57 »

"Sofutotakutairufiringu"
It took me a good 10 seconds to sound that one out - Soft Tactile Feel - lol.

I read that PDF the other day too - laughed at 'REALFPRCE'

ktkr · « **Reply #68 on:** Tue, 22 March 2011, 11:03:38 »

What do you need to do in order to obtain one of these low-noise things? In tenkeyless, of course.

RiGS · « **Reply #69 on:** Tue, 22 March 2011, 11:09:55 »

You need a buying service, or a Korean buddy, so they can order it directly from Leopold.co.kr.
Of course you can always mod your current one, with o-rings, or dental bands.
However the silent model actuates earlier.

litster · « **Reply #70 on:** Tue, 17 May 2011, 21:07:18 »

So I did some digging, here are the model numbers fo 87U silent and regular versions

SE070S 87U Wwhite Silent
SE170S 87UB Black Silent
SE1700 87UB Black Regular
SE0700 is 87U White Regular (press release)

godofdeath · « **Reply #71 on:** Tue, 17 May 2011, 21:10:21 »

anyone know where to get these or the 104u besides asia or when they coming to ek or soemthing?

NinjaRicer · « **Reply #72 on:** Tue, 17 May 2011, 21:44:01 »

It sounds like... a rubber dome.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #73 on:** Tue, 17 May 2011, 22:32:58 »

Quote from: ripster;347781

Someone should put that in the topre wiki.

I would love to, just tell iMav to stop blocking my home IP.

litster · « **Reply #74 on:** Tue, 17 May 2011, 23:06:28 »

I will try, and hope I won't screw up the table format

litster · « **Reply #75 on:** Tue, 17 May 2011, 23:29:08 »

OK, I updated the wiki. Added:

SE070S and SE170S
release date 3/10
Japan shopping site rakuten availability, including realforce search link
Tenso buying service for rakuten shopping
noted benippon is no longer in service after the recent earthquake

keyboardlover · « **Reply #76 on:** Wed, 18 May 2011, 08:39:17 »

Thanks litster!

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Author Topic: Topre Realforce: Low-Noise Line announced (Read 33670 times)