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Offline mgsickler

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #150 on: Sun, 08 April 2018, 08:28:28 »
Just trying to keep everyone as updated as possible.

Design work has officially started. My goal is to actually have a 3D printed prototype profile at an upcoming meetup. :)

I will post some renders of the profile once I have something basically in line with what my vision is.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #151 on: Sun, 08 April 2018, 11:51:10 »
Great news!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #152 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 16:40:20 »
I have been a little silent on this, but am still working away.

Here is a picture with some different prototypes.


The first row is the latest prototype. The second row is the first. The third is dev tty. The last is topre hipro.

I have a few more tweaks to make the set, but it is coming along really nice. I am hoping to have a tkl keyboard proto by the end of June or so.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #153 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 17:09:08 »
I have been a little silent on this, but am still working away.

Here is a picture with some different prototypes.
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The first row is the latest prototype. The second row is the first. The third is dev tty. The last is topre hipro.

I have a few more tweaks to make the set, but it is coming along really nice. I am hoping to have a tkl keyboard proto by the end of June or so.

This is awesome, Can't wait to see what comes of this!!! Now if only we could confirm fitment with alps switches with my sliders... ;)

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #154 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 22:27:43 »
Thanks for the update. I'm not sure if I like the small, flat row 1. Dev/tty is my only experience with spherical profiles though. Doesn't having them so much shorter than row 2 make them harder to reach with one hand while doing a key combo like ctrl-F6?

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #155 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 00:10:58 »
Those Topre Hipro are so juicy. Love me some high profiles.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #156 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 00:42:57 »
I'm finding it hard to tell from the picture, are both prototype rows the same height? the one in the back almost looks taller.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #157 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 01:10:44 »
Lookiní good. Nice work - I really like people who put ideas into reality. Still buying, so long as itís in a decent colourway. :)
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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #158 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 02:09:26 »
That looks sexy af  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #159 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 06:08:32 »
I'm finding it hard to tell from the picture, are both prototype rows the same height? the one in the back almost looks taller.

Same height. I want to wait until I get things really close to my ideal set before showing it off in detail.

Those Topre Hipro are so juicy. Love me some high profiles.

Hipro is one of my favorite profiles!


This is awesome, Can't wait to see what comes of this!!! Now if only we could confirm fitment with alps switches with my sliders... ;)

Thank you! :) I think they would be compatible, but once I finalize I could send you maybe a sample to check.

Lookiní good. Nice work - I really like people who put ideas into reality. Still buying, so long as itís in a decent colourway. :)

I appreciate that!

Thanks for the update. I'm not sure if I like the small, flat row 1. Dev/tty is my only experience with spherical profiles though. Doesn't having them so much shorter than row 2 make them harder to reach with one hand while doing a key combo like ctrl-F6?

I havent decided which way I will go about that just yet. I may even do both.

That looks sexy af  :thumb:

Thank you!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #160 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 10:14:04 »
A hi-pro replica is nice, but tbh with the HUB profile KS going south it might be worth taking another look at making a sculpted low profile.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #161 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 10:48:30 »
A hi-pro replica is nice, but tbh with the HUB profile KS going south it might be worth taking another look at making a sculpted low profile.

This will actually be shorter than Topre Hipro. More of a mid height style.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #162 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 11:26:05 »
Looks great! Glad to see this project continuing on.

So mid-height topre hipro-esque (squared off spherical concave)? I've heard great things about hipro but haven't had a chance to finger myself yet. I am an SA loving heathen, so I assume it will be even better!

I second the input that full height F-row is better than short/r3 height, for aesthetics and for use, especially on compact layouts like 75% where the short f-row will be blocked by the taller numrow. Even if option, and not base set.
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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #163 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 11:28:16 »
A hi-pro replica is nice, but tbh with the HUB profile KS going south it might be worth taking another look at making a sculpted low profile.

This will actually be shorter than Topre Hipro. More of a mid height style.

I am really excited for this. You are doing a great job Mike, love ya!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #164 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 12:27:49 »
The gentle and symmetrical row angles of the prototype(s) remind me of SA, which has some minor benefits, but I know the community likes row profiles that are more Cherry/Beamspring-ish. And the roundness of MT3 makes them superior, shape-wise, to any other spherical keycap being made today, so that's something to think about.

I do like the depth of dishing and the smoothness of the gradient from the top ridge to the center of the keycap in the prototype(s). Topre Hi-Pro keycaps have too sharp a ridge crease for my tastes, and MT3 comes dangerously close to that as well, but is a bit better than Hi-Pros in that regard. SA has the gentlest gradient of all, but they aren't dished deeply enough, IMO. In fact, I think that the deep-dish mold for SA should be the standard mold for SA, and they should make their deep dish keys a bit deeper still. That's why I like the dishing in the prototype(s); they seem to strike just the right balance, though I'd like to see what a deep dish prototype would look like as well.

Personally I don't care for the huge drop-off that Topre's Hi-Pro keycaps have, both from the numrow to the F-row, and from the Shift-row to the bottom row. It is neither aesthetically pleasing nor ergonomic. I have a Topre 104UK Hi-Pro and those drop-offs are rather unpleasant, to be frank.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #165 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 13:34:18 »
I have been a little silent on this, but am still working away.

Here is a picture with some different prototypes.
Show Image


The first row is the latest prototype. The second row is the first. The third is dev tty. The last is topre hipro.

I have a few more tweaks to make the set, but it is coming along really nice. I am hoping to have a tkl keyboard proto by the end of June or so.


Interesting, found a way to make it made? 

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #166 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 14:30:58 »


... haven't had a chance to finger myself yet.

Don't forget the lube! ;)

The keycaps look great Mike! Liking the increase in typing surface area from proto 1 to 2. I also want to echo the sentiment regarding taller f-row. Looking forward to future updates!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #167 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:24:19 »

I am really excited for this. You are doing a great job Mike, love ya!

<3 Thank you!

The gentle and symmetrical row angles of the prototype(s) remind me of SA, which has some minor benefits, but I know the community likes row profiles that are more Cherry/Beamspring-ish. And the roundness of MT3 makes them superior, shape-wise, to any other spherical keycap being made today, so that's something to think about.

I do like the depth of dishing and the smoothness of the gradient from the top ridge to the center of the keycap in the prototype(s). Topre Hi-Pro keycaps have too sharp a ridge crease for my tastes, and MT3 comes dangerously close to that as well, but is a bit better than Hi-Pros in that regard. SA has the gentlest gradient of all, but they aren't dished deeply enough, IMO. In fact, I think that the deep-dish mold for SA should be the standard mold for SA, and they should make their deep dish keys a bit deeper still. That's why I like the dishing in the prototype(s); they seem to strike just the right balance, though I'd like to see what a deep dish prototype would look like as well.

Personally I don't care for the huge drop-off that Topre's Hi-Pro keycaps have, both from the numrow to the F-row, and from the Shift-row to the bottom row. It is neither aesthetically pleasing nor ergonomic. I have a Topre 104UK Hi-Pro and those drop-offs are rather unpleasant, to be frank.

Yea, I already changed that up and will make that top two rows the same. My second prototype didnt feel deep enough for the dish, so the third proto will have a slightly deeper dish, but I dont think it will be as sharp as some others.


Interesting, found a way to make it made?

Yes, but its going to be a slow process getting it all going.

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #168 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 22:21:28 »
This looks fantastic!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #169 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 08:20:43 »
This looks really promising! Great work, Mike!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #170 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 10:33:48 »
This looks fantastic!

Thanks! :)

This looks really promising! Great work, Mike!

Thank you much!

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Re: [IC] New Keycap Profile from NovelKeys
« Reply #171 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 10:42:22 »
These look awesome! I would be in for a set.
I also think that having a picture with just the topre high pro and the newest sculpt would help show off that mid-height more.