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Offline PlastikSchnittstelle

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Hi everyone,

after a long IC phase I'm finally starting the GroupBuy for my custom case. I don't want to write a lot about concept, construction, design and features, since I already did this quite extensively in the IC opening post and throughout the discussion there. I'll summarize, do some c&p and add what's necessary.

2018.10.22: Looking good, three little updates here

2018.10.13: making up for the missing ones on reddit

2018.10.08: 60WKL & 75 samples arrived, see teaser pics here and boardwalk version support announced

2018.09.11: payment phase extended until beginning of Oktober in order to to give more to compensate for those who don't pay. Awaiting 60WKL & 75 samples, they should help to convince a few more to join and get to the expected number.

2018.09.06: payment status update, many still missing, link to post.

2018.08.07: participants should check their spam folder. info email was sent out a few days ago. Invoices are out now. Orders are still accepted until the end of payment phase, beginning of September.


TL;DR

This is a GB for a high profile, top-mount, custom keyboard case. It is made of thick, bent aluminium. The surface is bead blasted and black anodized. The plate is black galvanized steel. You can choose between different 60% versions (Standard, Winkeyless, HHKB and YAS) as well as a 65% and a 75% version. You just get the case, plate and accessories like screws but no PCB (except for the YAS version, there you can order the case with the PCB if you like). All popular 60%, 65% and 75% PCBs are supported. It is made in Germany. Shipping world wide.

Features:
  • 75%, 65% and 60% (Standard, Winkeyless, HHKB, YAS and Ortholinear)
  • high-profile (3mm above lower edge of caps)
  • top-mount
  • height adjustability (6, 8, 10, 12 and 14 degrees)
  • case material: 3 mm 2 mm thick aluminium
  • case finish: bead blasted and anodized, black
  • plate material: 1.5 mm steel
  • plate finish: black galvanized
  • supports most PCBs and fancy layouts like split spacebar
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More pictures and video:
1st sample build log at Imgur
2nd sample build log at Imgur
3rd sample build log at Imgur
SKB indoors
SKB outdoors
SKB typing demonstration on youtube
illustrations of the different versions
renderings of the SKB family
renderings and illustrations of the updated version
pictures of the SKB60-YAS sample
pictures of the final samples


About this case
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You can find a lot of custom keyboard cases here. They are CNC milled, which is awesome but quite expensive as well. I wanted to provide an alternative that gives you all the benefits of a solid aluminium keyboard but for a considerably lower price. So instead of milling the parts of the keyboard from a block, I decided to go for laser cutting and bending thick sheets.

The design is simple. The decision for a material thickness of 3mm 2mm in combination with the plate mounting method and the bolts piercing through the frame lead to a pretty wide frame. The sides overlapping at the edges is a deliberate choice which should emphasize on the method of folding, rather then trying to hide it. It also exposes the thickness of the material. Some of you described it as "brutalist", "utilitarian" or "industrial" - all undeniable true in some way.

I like to view it as a robust and reliable, everyday tool with a focus on typing experience and ergonomics.

I want to point out a few things I had in mind when designing this case:
  • At first, I wanted it to be a simple implementation of a top-mount case, cause IMHO top-mount is best-mount :)
  • Secondly, the first and lowest or "initial" key row should be as low as possible. This is illustrated in one of the pictures down below.
  • Thirdly, height adjustability. We prefer our keyboard at a certain angle but not everybody likes the same. So I wanted height adjustability to be an integral part of the design. You can choose between different angles: 6, 8, 10, 12 and 14 degrees.
  • Though the first prototype wasn't a high profile case, the initial feedback I got, plus the IC made it obvious, that it would have to be a high profile case. After making that decision, I wanted it to be a "really" high profile case, much like old keyboards. This means the bezel doesn't level with the lower edge of a cherry-profile keycap, instead it exceeds it by roughly 2mm (1,9mm measured in CAD). In other words, keycaps sink 3 mm deep into the frame.
  • No branding, nowhere, nothing.
193552-0 193554-1 193556-2

You can find much more information about the whole process and how we got here, by taking a look at the IC thread.


PCBs, plates and layouts
Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit. Don't bother about screw-hole positions on the PCB, this is totally irrelevant in this case because it is a top-mount construction, not a tray-mount.

For the 60% there is plate A that supports most popular layouts including split spacebar. The YAS PCB gets its own plate. 65% 75% each have one plate, both support split spacebar as well.

Especially providing an option for the YAS62 - a project that I really like - was important to me. I have two of these PCBs and can't wait to finally put them to use. Silentreader still has some PCBs left that you can get, just PM him. The YAS PCBs will be sent to me. In the order form you have the option to add the YAS PCB to your order to get it from me together with the case. Price is 37€.

The plate does not support switch-top removal or alps switches. Yes, I probably could have convinced some more by offering those, but I made this decision because I wanted the plate to have as much mass as possible and the switches to fit tightly. Just lube your switches before you put them in ;)
All plates are ANSI/ISO unified and only support Cherry PCB mount stabilizers.

UPDATE:
I have added another plate option to choose from. Now SKB60 is available with an ortholinear plate, which support the XD75 PCB for example.

UPDATE 2:
Small plate updates regarding split spacebar support. SKB65 now available as well. Dropped one layout -> YAS now has it's own, dedicated plate.

UPDATE 3:
BOARDWALK support added. Two different plates for Boardwalk, see pictures below and linked album here. Boardwalk options added to the order form.




Dimensions and weight
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SKB60:
Width: 313 mm
Depth: 123 mm
Height (center point of keycap top at lowest row): ~ 26 mm
Height (rear edge at 6 degree): 31 mm
Height (rear edge at 14 degree): 45 mm
Weight (complete build): 0.85 kg

SKB75:
Width: 332 mm
Depth: 142 mm
Height (center point of keycap top at lowest row): ~ 26 mm
Height (rear edge at 6 degree): 33 mm
Height (rear edge at 14 degree): 50 mm
Weight (complete build, estimate): ~ 1.2 kg

(all height values measured without rubber feet)


What you get
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Top & Bottom:
  • 2 mm thick aluminium
  • LASER cut and bent
  • bead blasted and anodized, black
Plate:
  • 1.5 mm thick steel
  • galvanized black
Accessories:
  • 12x button head screws (M3x12)
  • 12x low head screws (M3x12)
  • 12x nuts
  • 8x  standoffs
  • 4x  washers
  • 4x  rubber feet
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Nit-picking
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I think most of the following is obvious, but I think it is important to be 100 percent honest about all details:
  • Height adjustment is not quick like flipp out feet. You have to unscrew two and loosen two more screws on the sides in order to adjust the height.
  • There are a few mini-USB cables that have a pretty bulky head. The top left screw is positioned right above the USB port and if you happen to have a bulky plug, then it might interfere slightly with the screw inside the case. Not a big deal, I just sliced a bit off the plug and then it did fit perfectly fine. I now this since the first prototype but I didn't want to change the screw position, since I think it's perfect and slicing isn't a big deal. Some cables fit right away, some need the slice.
  • The position of the USB port differs slightly on some PCBs. Depending on your PCB, the plug might not be perfectly centered in the cutout, but of course it will always fit.
  • There are PCBs like the EEPW84 which have a little controller board (Kimera core) soldered on in the lowest row. This component might touch the bottom of the case. Because of that a PCB like this might not work at the lowest 6 degree angle (probably works but I can't confirm). Angles above 6 degree won't be any problem.


Made in Germany
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I live in Germany and here we have plenty of companies that specialize in this kind of metalworking. I have designed parts which are laser cut and bent before and was always very satisfied with the result I got from the local companies.
I trust them, communication is smooth and they deliver quickly.


Pricing
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at 40+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 148€
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 168€
at 70+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 136€
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 154€
at 100+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 128€
  • the 65% (SKB65) version costs 136€
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 145€
at 170+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 115 Euro
  • the 65% (SKB65) version costs 125 Euro
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 135 Euro
PayPal fee and shipping will be added
MOQ = 40 (all versions have reached MOQ, they will all be made!)


Shipping
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I will ship with DHL. Here you can find a detailed price table for international shipping from Germany.


Destination  Option 1  Option 2
Germany  6€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  7€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
Europe
(including the UK)
  15€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  17€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(most countries including USA)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  38€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(some countries like Australia and Japan)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  47€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€

UPDATE, added new shipping option:
15€ international shipping, fits up to one SKB, tracked, insured up to 100€



Timeline

  • GB start (2018.04.10)
  • collecting orders via form (2018.04.10 - end of payment phase)
  • payment (2018.08.04 - 2018.11)
  • placing the order (2018.10)
  • production (~ 1 Months)
  • shipping ~ November 2018
  • GB concluded ~ December
(grey = past / red = present / blue = future)


Updates

Renderings
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I want to make sure you know exactly what you are getting. Renderings can be misleading and I wanted you to be able to make a decision based on the real case. So I decided to get samples made. That pushed the GB back another two months but I thought it was worth it.

SKB60 standard and HHKB versions were made. Samples for all the different versions would have been too expensive for me. So there are renderings for some versions, but the impression you get from the samples translate to the rest.

You can finde much more renderings in the IC.

Sorry just lost my patience uploading pictures. I'll provide the renderings via external source link later. Most are shown in the IC already, just a few new ones.

Here you can find new renderings.
« Last Edit: Mon, 22 October 2018, 08:18:03 by PlastikSchnittstelle »

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:56:00 »
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:56:38 »
Finally  ;D  Joined!

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:59:18 »
Already joined through deskthority  :D

Offline PlastikSchnittstelle

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:12:00 »
Finally! Sorry it took so long. Still so much I wanted to get arranged before GB start, like better pictures, another build with other switches and a typingvideo. But there is always something missing. I'll add all this, step by step.

Offline vtachkov

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:31:41 »
Woohoo, I've been waiting for this one. In for at least the YAS.
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Offline wodan

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:49:33 »
Very excited for this. Great first custom for people who are looking to try different angles and still have a solid construction

Offline apejonk

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:57:20 »
Finally  :D Really excited for this!

Offline thokir

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:00:50 »
Very excited for this. Great first custom for people who are looking to try different angles and still have a solid construction
How many different versions did you buy? :P

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:13:33 »
Ordered! can't wait!

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:25:15 »
Made in Germany from bent metal. Only available in black. This has gotta be one of the coolest new boards I've seen in a while. Wish I had keyboard money right now. Good luck with GB!

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 18:36:49 »
In for 60% WKL. Let's go!
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 20:29:28 »
Very excited for my first "Gustom"  :D

I am in for one 75% case, and possibly more if you consider my request in the note section of the GB form!
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 20:33:14 »
Ordered YAS 60%. This will be my first German custom keyboard. Very exciting! Can you please, give us a choice of flat/flush screws, different colours screws will be great? ... Oh, I see no flush screws.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 20:37:28 »
HIT ME WITH THAT SKB75!  :eek: :eek: :eek:

Offline cheunjm

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 21:00:28 »
I love how detailed and organized your post is. In for 60% HHKB!

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 21:33:23 »
I feel like I’m being super thick here but where is the link to join the gb?

I feel like I won’t be able to resist being in for both :0

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 10 April 2018, 21:36:47 »
I feel like I’m being super thick here but where is the link to join the gb?

I feel like I won’t be able to resist being in for both :0

"SKBXX GB ORDER FORM" at the top.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 00:08:42 »
Ahh I can see it on my pc but in Tapatalk mobile app it doesnt show.

Cheers!

Offline wixxzblu

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 01:00:54 »
have anybody got a confirmation of their submitted order form through email?

Offline RealLaugh

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 01:24:41 »
edit

I see that each plate choice comes with an SKB60 so please ignore this post
« Last Edit: Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:17:44 by RealLaugh »

Offline E_rik

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:02:49 »
have anybody got a confirmation of their submitted order form through email?
I did not get a confirmation email.

Offline blacksimon

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:20:41 »
I think this is really neat for EU boys looking for a solid cheaper custom, Well done. I hope you sell a bunch!

Offline PlastikSchnittstelle

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:35:00 »
have anybody got a confirmation of their submitted order form through email?

sorry, no confirmation emails, don't worry.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:40:01 »
edit

I see that each plate choice comes with an SKB60 so please ignore this post

yep, you just choose a kit, avoids confusion.

and about extra plates:
over on DT I was asked if it would be possible to order an extra plate. yes, possible, haven't thought about it jet. haven't jet figured out pricing for an extra plate. If I have, everyone will have a chance to decide on this later, so don't worry for now.

btw, we are at 36 orders now :)
« Last Edit: Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:42:27 by PlastikSchnittstelle »

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 05:20:06 »
Joined for a HHKB plate A! Dis gon be gud

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 06:53:38 »
Joined for a HHKB plate A! Dis gon be gud

yep, in for a standard 60% plate/case

on our way to reach that 40 moq already  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 06:55:52 »
HHKB with split spacebar is my plan.

The survey does not send out a confirmation email, or does it? Have not received anything to check my answers once more ;_;

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 09:24:58 »
The survey does not send out a confirmation email, or does it? Have not received anything to check my answers once more ;_;

Sorry, no confirmation email. Only later found out, that a plugin exists for that.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 09:55:27 »
Flippin' awesome, joined!
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 10:48:51 »
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 11:08:43 »
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 11:29:59 »
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.

I'm actually painfully ignorant on what it takes to be a regional proxy. Basically a verified local point of contact to receive the bulk shipment (lower rate from DE to US) and then coordinate individual shipping within CONUS?
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 11:33:46 »
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.

I'm actually painfully ignorant on what it takes to be a regional proxy. Basically a verified local point of contact to receive the bulk shipment (lower rate from DE to US) and then coordinate individual shipping within CONUS?

pretty much, yeah
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 12:31:25 »
This is really awesome but I share the feeling with a commentor above about shipping price. I will probably come in for a 60% at 100 but before that paying almost 30% of the boards cost in shipping feels pretty awful. Really awesome board though I like the visible screws.
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 13:28:04 »
Maybe for the US a well-known company, such something like TheKeyCompany, could be used as proxy? An established "store" or a well-known member could do it, especially if they have before.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 14:30:32 »
Will have to see if any of the US based vendors end up getting in on the GB themselves personally, and see if we can bait/lure them into being a proxy. Isn't Donutcat a 75% lover? How do you summon people on GH (I originate from rmk so not brushed up on forum tricks).
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 15:39:35 »
I would love to join but 40EU for shipping prices me out.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:17:18 »
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

yes, shipping to the US isn't cheap. also the euro to dollar exchange rate has changed quite dramatically over the last year or so. before that it would have been a steal for US buyers. at the moment UK buyers are in a really nice position, shipping is not that expensive and the exchange rate is in their favor.

btw we are now at just over 50 orders

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:22:45 »
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

yes, shipping to the US isn't cheap. also the euro to dollar exchange rate has changed quite dramatically over the last year or so. before that it would have been a steal for US buyers. at the moment UK buyers are in a really nice position, shipping is not that expensive and the exchange rate is in their favor.

btw we are now at just over 50 orders

Would you entertain the idea of a US proxy if there are enough orders?

Also, do the MOQs given include all layouts/sizes or is that MOQ per size/layout?

Glad this is getting a lot of traction so quickly!
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:25:32 »
I'm actually painfully ignorant on what it takes to be a regional proxy. Basically a verified local point of contact to receive the bulk shipment (lower rate from DE to US) and then coordinate individual shipping within CONUS?

Maybe for the US a well-known company, such something like TheKeyCompany, could be used as proxy? An established "store" or a well-known member could do it, especially if they have before.

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.

Will have to see if any of the US based vendors end up getting in on the GB themselves personally, and see if we can bait/lure them into being a proxy. Isn't Donutcat a 75% lover? How do you summon people on GH (I originate from rmk so not brushed up on forum tricks).

proxy shipping:
lets see if enough US orders come in. if it turns out to be a lot then a proxy makes sense but not for just a few orders.

a mecha vendor from the US as proxy:
well, same, lets see first if there is a critical mass of US orders. a vendor would be great of course cause trust and they know about shipping.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:30:22 »
Would you entertain the idea of a US proxy if there are enough orders?

Also, do the MOQs given include all layouts/sizes or is that MOQ per size/layout?

Glad this is getting a lot of traction so quickly!

yes, if orders are enough.

well, MOQ is said 40, i meant overall, but it would be a disaster for me. prices were supposed to be higher but i got scared before posting that after all the time, interest might have faded so I went as low as possible to make it happen. also I haven't mentioned that every single version needs to be produced at least 10 times (which is crazy low, anybody who has a clue knows I can't make no profit with that). it looks like we get at least 10 for all versions, let's hope it will get more over time. 50 overall for the first 24h is good I guess.
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:33:17 »
50 orders already. Nice! So, in essence, each layout/variation would require 10 orders to get any cases produced at all?

At this rate do you see the GB closing and invoicing beginning at the estimated time of 2018-04-26?
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:39:30 »
50 orders already. Nice! So, in essence, each layout/variation would require 10 orders to get any cases produced at all?

At this rate do you see the GB closing and invoicing beginning at the estimated time of 2018-04-26?

Why close early just because MOQ met? It is literally the Minimum of Quantity, so wouldn't it be best for all involved to get highest numbers possible for max price breaks?

I misread the quoted post I was responding to... <shame>
« Last Edit: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:53:08 by Zuology »
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:45:34 »
I think he's still planning to do an official reddit post with new pictures to make it count before it goes down the reddit drain :P
Maybe more people can jump on or eat the shipping once it reaches price breaks.

EU <> US is always super expensive unfortunately, but to be fair that's pretty much common for shipping keyboard size/weight parts anywhere around the globe.

@Zuology, that's the planend date. But it seems like there's some wiggle room.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:47:31 »
50 orders already. Nice! So, in essence, each layout/variation would require 10 orders to get any cases produced at all?

At this rate do you see the GB closing and invoicing beginning at the estimated time of 2018-04-26?

I really hope I get more. that's why I will continue to work on it to get more orders. a few more renderings showing some more layout possibilities, a third build with different switches, hq photos and typing-demo/video. then a reddit gb post as well. i know, was mentioned there already there but i will make one myself as soon as i have good photos. but I won't be able to do it this week.

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kekstee just posted while i was writing this.
yes exactly!

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:50:41 »
I think he's still planning to do an official reddit post with new pictures to make it count before it goes down the reddit drain :P
Maybe more people can jump on or eat the shipping once it reaches price breaks.

EU <> US is always super expensive unfortunately, but to be fair that's pretty much common for shipping keyboard size/weight parts anywhere around the globe.

@Zuology, that's the planend date. But it seems like there's some wiggle room.

I created some unofficial posts to link back to this official thread to spread the word over on rmk & mechmarket. There's been a fair amount of response and people saying they've bought in. FWIW I let PlastikSchnittstelle about the unofficial posts and he is ok with them until he puts together the full board presentation. I really want to see this GB succeed and more people is more orders and less cost for a great product that is different from the more traditional customs out of asia. I think the BYO-PCB thing is great, the adjustability is unique, and industrial look is uncommon. 
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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:51:13 »
oh and also, over at DT someone asked for an ortho plate.

please take a look if you are interested. might happen.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:54:09 »
I created some unofficial posts to link back to this official thread to spread the word over on rmk & mechmarket. There's been a fair amount of response and people saying they've bought in. FWIW I let PlastikSchnittstelle about the unofficial posts and he is ok with them until he puts together the full board presentation. I really want to see this GB succeed and more people is more orders and less cost for a great product that is different from the more traditional customs out of asia. I think the BYO-PCB thing is great, the adjustability is unique, and industrial look is uncommon.

yep, thanks a lot, this is a good solution as long i don't have the material I want to collect for an "official" reddit post.

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Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:54:16 »
oh and also, over at DT someone asked for an ortho plate.

please take a look if you are interested. might happen.

Ortho plate would be pretty straightforward to design and get cut in addition to existing layouts, I presume?

Edit: Just saw over on DT that you said
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also regarding the swap-sockets. you can always get shorter standoffs for my SKB case. now the plate is hold by 5mm standoffs wich makes the caps sink in by 2mm. you can just use 4mm standoffs instead or even 3mm and you would certainly have no trouble with swap-socket-PCBs at any angle.

Does that mean we can just swap out the standoffs if we want to individually customize our setups with lower/higher mount with minimal effort (pending clearance from bottom of case)?
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