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[IC]C TANGERINE R2 GB LIVE AT TheKey.Company
« on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 10:55:56 »
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Some information about it:
Linear
67G/62G
Gold springs


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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 10:58:16 »
GB time is late April or Early May

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:02:51 »
What can I compare the weight to? Is it a little heavier or lighter than a Gateron Black switch?
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:06:02 »
What can I compare the weight to? Is it a little heavier or lighter than a Gateron Black switch?
Lighter than Black.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:09:05 »
Excited to see another new switch! I will definitely want some.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:10:36 »
May I ask what makes the switch stand out from the bunch? Gold spring and 67g, would it just be a newer and luxurious vintage black?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:13:56 »
May I ask what makes the switch stand out from the bunch? Gold spring and 67g, would it just be a newer and luxurious vintage black?
We just love the colour so we do it. ;D

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:14:28 »
Excited to see another new switch! I will definitely want some.
Thank you ;D ;D ;D

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:22:11 »
The switches look amazing, 100% in. Thank you for making a new linear!

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:40:25 »
The switches look amazing, 100% in. Thank you for making a new linear!
Thank you.I am using it now and it's a good linear.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:48:26 »
What firmware/programming will the PCB use? Anything we have seen before? QMK? Bootmapper?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 11:53:24 »
This is awesome guys! I'd love to get both the Tangerines and the new PCB sometime in the future!

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:03:18 »
What firmware/programming will the PCB use? Anything we have seen before? QMK? Bootmapper?

We developed a whole new firmware and software to programe it. Totally new stuff.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:04:25 »
This is awesome guys! I'd love to get both the Tangerines and the new PCB sometime in the future!
I am sorting the switches now and the first 5000 piece will be selling in a week and then there will be a GB in a month or so. ;D
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:21:21 »
We developed a whole new firmware and software to programe it. Totally new stuff.

So it is not an open source software? Another vendor lock? Thank you, but no.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:23:56 »
May I ask what makes the switch stand out from the bunch? Gold spring and 67g, would it just be a newer and luxurious vintage black?
We just love the colour so we do it. ;D

So its really just a color change?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:27:00 »
I like the idea of a switch in the orange color, as well as with the perfect weight spring for me. I'm interested.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:38:40 »
We developed a whole new firmware and software to programe it. Totally new stuff.

So it is not an open source software? Another vendor lock? Thank you, but no.

It being new/different doesn't preclude it also being open.




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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:52:04 »
I would like to hear your reasons for why creating new software is a good idea.

What are you offering that QMK/TMK, KLL, BMC are not offering?
Why would your software be better and why should we use it?
What was missing in QMK/TKL, KLL, BMC? Was it documentation?
What was the reason why you didn't go any of the more established routes?
Is it going to open sourced?
How many other keyboards can use your software?
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 12:56:48 »
Are the switches similar to the REVO Whites from Gateron? Im excited for a nice linear either way  ;D

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 15:23:22 »
the stem color is lively.

I'm using some revo white switches right now. They are beautiful and smooth.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 15:36:13 »
Super stoked to see more projects from you!

Kinda odd that your switches have a black bottom & can't take advantage of the RGB in your PCB. Where's the synergy?

Will be following along, even if I'm not a linear or TKL guy!

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 15:39:29 »
It being new/different doesn't preclude it also being open.

The question is why you need a brand new software/firmware for your PCB. There is already a good one called QMK and it is also open source. Which means it can be supported by community.
By introducing another firmware/software you make people dependent on you which is called vendor lock. It is always bad because only you can fix bugs/add features. If you decide to abandon your software your hardware is no more than a piece of junk. Why not using/improving QMK instead? Why reinvent a wheel?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 15:53:19 »
PCB looks interesting  :thumb:

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 17:03:55 »
It being new/different doesn't preclude it also being open.

The question is why you need a brand new software/firmware for your PCB. There is already a good one called QMK and it is also open source. Which means it can be supported by community.
By introducing another firmware/software you make people dependent on you which is called vendor lock. It is always bad because only you can fix bugs/add features. If you decide to abandon your software your hardware is no more than a piece of junk. Why not using/improving QMK instead? Why reinvent a wheel?

I can't imagine why they didn't use a stack that doesn't have much in the way of per-key RGB features for the basis of their per-key RGB TKL PCB. Real head-scratcher there...

I'm not bashing QMK by any stretch, heck I'm halfway through the designing of my own QMK-powered PCB, it's just that different makers will have different priorities that inform different choices. Not every PCB designer is gonna want to spend endless hours extending the QMK spec to support the feature, especially if they're more familiar with other starting points/branches.

And once again, just because they may not have forked QMK as a starting point doesn't mean it's inherently closed & locked in. And even if the software is locked in & cruddy doesn't mean you have to use it. Port QMK to it, just like what's been done with the ps2avrGB boards. A $75 per-key-RGB TKL PCB is a gift to the community, even with less-than ideal software/firmware.


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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:16:29 »
basically modern nixies. interesting.
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:23:24 »
I'm very interested in the switches. How smooth are they compared to retooled blacks or tealios and any comments on wobble and spring feel?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 14 April 2018, 00:35:15 »
very interested in both
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:01:49 »
It being new/different doesn't preclude it also being open.

The question is why you need a brand new software/firmware for your PCB. There is already a good one called QMK and it is also open source. Which means it can be supported by community.
By introducing another firmware/software you make people dependent on you which is called vendor lock. It is always bad because only you can fix bugs/add features. If you decide to abandon your software your hardware is no more than a piece of junk. Why not using/improving QMK instead? Why reinvent a wheel?

I can't imagine why they didn't use a stack that doesn't have much in the way of per-key RGB features for the basis of their per-key RGB TKL PCB. Real head-scratcher there...

I'm not bashing QMK by any stretch, heck I'm halfway through the designing of my own QMK-powered PCB, it's just that different makers will have different priorities that inform different choices. Not every PCB designer is gonna want to spend endless hours extending the QMK spec to support the feature, especially if they're more familiar with other starting points/branches.

And once again, just because they may not have forked QMK as a starting point doesn't mean it's inherently closed & locked in. And even if the software is locked in & cruddy doesn't mean you have to use it. Port QMK to it, just like what's been done with the ps2avrGB boards. A $75 per-key-RGB TKL PCB is a gift to the community, even with less-than ideal software/firmware.

Doesn't KLL have good RGB support?

In any case, as long as they open-source both the PCB design and whatever new firmware they write, that would be good enough for me.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #29 on: Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:17:17 »
Doesn't KLL have good RGB support?

In any case, as long as they open-source both the PCB design and whatever new firmware they write, that would be good enough for me.

KLL does have good RGB support, but I believe that it's got really limited hardware support that's actually built around/for a chip that's no longer readily available, necessitating a port to a different ARM chip, as per here.

The QMK Proton-C & the ARM chip it's based on will open up the possibility for a lot of neat hardware, but it's not quite ready yet. Soon, though.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 15 April 2018, 02:48:06 »
Interested in why one might choose these over vintage blacks/tealios.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 15 April 2018, 06:53:39 »
Interested in why one might choose these over vintage blacks/tealios.

Weight, price, aesthetic factor?

I imagine these will be another good option for people who don't want to buy several batches of vintage blacks to get consistent results, as well as for people who can't stomach the cost of tealios.
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 15 April 2018, 10:43:08 »
Interested in why one might choose these over vintage blacks/tealios.

Weight, price, aesthetic factor?

I imagine these will be another good option for people who don't want to buy several batches of vintage blacks to get consistent results, as well as for people who can't stomach the cost of tealios.

there's no word on pricing for the switches yet, but this is bang on

hunting for good vints is a PITA, although retooled blacks are pretty readily available through arrow.com at this point

but those don't have a cool orange stem
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:33:03 »
not sure if this is mentioned, but the bottom housing doesn't look like it supports SMD RGB leds the best. Looks like a normal bottom that supports 4 pin RGB leds.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 16 April 2018, 10:42:04 »
Chance to own an "obscure" limited switch?

Count me in.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 16 April 2018, 16:31:06 »
Where will the switches be available? Will there be a preorder for them?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 16 April 2018, 18:18:09 »
Excited for that new TKL PCB! What's the best way to tell if my keyboard has A87 compatibility?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 16 April 2018, 19:20:21 »
Excited for that new TKL PCB! What's the best way to tell if my keyboard has A87 compatibility?

USB port between F12 and PRTSC, USB on top of the PCB, not a 356 series board

custom TKLs only

some PCBs don't work with every case, though, footprint weirdness
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 16 April 2018, 19:38:09 »
Are the Gateron switches still wobbly? 

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 17 April 2018, 00:29:53 »
Interested!
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 17 April 2018, 18:58:47 »
I want the switches and the PCB.

edit: Can I buy the PCB now  ;D

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 17 April 2018, 19:48:07 »
Interested in those switches.

I'm not the biggest linear fan but I figure I'd give them a fair shot, at the least. If the price is reasonable, I'm in for some.


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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 18 April 2018, 01:39:23 »
I'm always down for some good linears  ;D
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 18 April 2018, 13:39:04 »
Excited for that new TKL PCB! What's the best way to tell if my keyboard has A87 compatibility?

USB port between F12 and PRTSC, USB on top of the PCB, not a 356 series board

custom TKLs only

some PCBs don't work with every case, though, footprint weirdness

Thanks for the info, it'd be cool to have a wiki of customs somewhere with what size PCB belongs to each board.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 19 April 2018, 04:18:48 »
In for some tangerines - is there a mailing list or anything I can join so that I don't miss this?

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 19 April 2018, 18:23:35 »
Excited for that new TKL PCB! What's the best way to tell if my keyboard has A87 compatibility?

USB port between F12 and PRTSC, USB on top of the PCB, not a 356 series board

custom TKLs only

some PCBs don't work with every case, though, footprint weirdness

Thanks for the info, it'd be cool to have a wiki of customs somewhere with what size PCB belongs to each board.

i was working on it for a while but it got to be a bit too much for really specific stuff like this

PCB sizing is weird
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 22 April 2018, 02:52:54 »
For PCB questions.
1,LDN have faster CPU. We use STM32F103. 72M frequency. More faster and Expandable. Key scan frequency:500hz(of course we can 1000hz but no need). We use another programme method and believe it can be more powerful. Control software is easy to learn to use. And we will use more advanced STM controllor to make it better.
2,Alough we wont open sourse,but we will open API.
3,We will have a video to show the light mode. It can be customized by our software.Instructions will released when GB open.
4,We will keep updating LDN and fix the bug.If you have any question using our PCB you can PM me here or send an email, We will answer all the questions regrading our product.
5,We dont think other PCB is bad, we just want to create a new PCB and work on it.
6,Instead of standing on the shoulders of giants, we want to be giants.

P.S we will do both B.87 and A.87 Size.

For Switch questions.
1,It's not just change of colour,it also smooth.
2,Since we started this project really early so we didnt use transparent bottom. We may do it later to fit our RGB Pcb.

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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 22 April 2018, 03:18:07 »
Instructions will released when GB open.

About this: do you plan to run the switches and the pcb at the same time? Or one some time after the other
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Re: [IC]C Tangerine Switch and Next Generation RGB PCB
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 22 April 2018, 03:22:06 »
Instructions will released when GB open.

About this: do you plan to run the switches and the pcb at the same time? Or one some time after the other
Switch will be released here in this thread tomorrow. Pcb gb will open early may