[IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate

[QiuFang]

 Hi everyone, After a while study, I also want to start custom keyboard design: p

  So, below is my first design.





Road Map:
- Design complete: (in May) - done
- Order Prototype:  Done  ( 19/5/2018)
- Check prototype, drawing, production speed. - Done (21/6/2018)
- Open Group Buy.


Feel free to ask me anything.

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Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 

 

  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)


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UPDATE:

Layout Support:



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UPDATE:

Here we go











It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
 But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

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UPDATE:

PCB has finished, I will test a few points before opening GB.







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UPDATE: Final design plate

[xondat]

Looks like a Duck clone.

[futurecrime]

Looks like a Duck clone.

Harsh but true.

[M]

Do you have the PCB designed already?

[nguyenhimself]

Hi everyone, After a while study, I also want to start custom keyboard design: p

  So, below is my first design.

Show Image

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Road Map:
- Design complete: (in May)
- Order Prototype:
- Check prototype, drawing, production speed.
- Open Group Buy.


Feel free to ask me anything.

I love the 660M layout more than most people, but yeah, this is a straight-up Duck clone, down from the feet to the 3 dots.

[KaosJ]

Will you make the real keyboard before starting the GB or just renders? 
Maybe something to make it less like a Duck? 

[cocobrais]

Looks like a Duck clone.

+1!!

[nu_types]

True, it looks like a duck design, but Duck hasn't made anything resembling the 660m layout. Let's keep this in mind before we start slinging mud.

[xondat]

True, it looks like a duck design, but Duck hasn't made anything resembling the 660m layout. Let's keep this in mind before we start slinging mud.

Okay, I'll keep it in mind.

Still looks like a Duck clone.

[kawasaki161]

Aside from the Duck clone stuff, the front is way too high, looks like it would be very uncomfortable to type on.

[nmur]

True, it looks like a duck design, but Duck hasn't made anything resembling the 660m layout. Let's keep this in mind before we start slinging mud.

that's true, but if Duck were to, it would look like this



doesn't necessarily make this a bad kb, just an unoriginal one

[oh_chesteroni]

This is not a duck, it's an owl. Completely different animal.

Interested in 660m layout, I'll still around to see how this develops past the duck looking keyboard.

[Allo]

I love the 660 layout so I'm definitely interested, but, man, the front is really tall. Could you provide the dimensions of the front?

[crusader_alex]

I like it but it's straight up a duck clone.Maybe modify the feet/bottom design a little.

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[txclack]

I like the 660m design, not a fan of the blatant Duck ripoff - but if you are going to improve upon Duck's design maybe change the case angle from 11 degrees to 8 degrees.

[ullr]

Pretty sure WASD did the minimal indicators on a keyboard first with the Code over four years ago, I don’t remember seeing them on a Duck keyboard until the second Viper/Eagle correct me if I’m wrong...

There are really only so many side profiles a keyboard can be reasonably expected to have. Either it’s just a box or you do something with angle cuts and people make allusions to the Hammer case... I’ve seen novel designs (such as the Dolphin) but they’re acquired tastes. Most keyboard designs are retreading a lot of ground, Duck included. The black bird was an amalgam of an FC660 and 1800, the new one looks to me like a little spin on the G80-5000 footprint.

Honestly how far can this notion of intellectual property go? We’re kind of exhausting our options here.

[Snappo]

I agree with others assesment of it being a clone/unorginal. I don't think this is a bad thing as long as it improves upon the design.

Speaking of which, that front is super high. Looks painful. Yet the profile is so flat.

I would prefer a lower front. Just my opinion.

[ideus]

It is becoming common place to see these massive waste of machining time,  lacking innovation.

[kawasaki161]

I don’t remember seeing them on a Duck keyboard until the second Viper/Eagle correct me if I’m wrong...

Orion V2 from 2015

[ullr]

I don’t remember seeing them on a Duck keyboard until the second Viper/Eagle correct me if I’m wrong...

Orion V2 from 2015

Ah I stand corrected, only a little bit after WASD actually released the Code

[Harms]

This looks sick. In if priced nicely

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[HotRoderX]

so tired of the community saying everything is a copy of something else. I mean lets be real everyone copied Remington No. 2 typewriter cause it was the first board with a shift key.. lets remove shift keys cause yep can't copy even remotely anyone else design cause creating a box shape to fit a uniform standardized switch.. can be done a infinite amount of way's with 100% genuine uniqueness every-time. Honestly if it comes in cheaper and looks just as nice as the duck it might have been copied from. I am all for this perhaps duck shouldn't limit there buy's so much are come in at a more expensive cost. Could you see if something like the automotive community acted like this! We wouldn't have car's with headlights are tail lights cause.. whelp someone else did them so copying them is ripping off the design.

Honestly I like the design but as other's said its a bit steep. The profile looks nice except the feet. I am not a fan of those at all. I would lower the front angle a bit. Though overall very nice board! Hope the community doesn't turn you off from trying to bring it to life. Unless duck has a patent some were claiming there design.. I wouldn't sweat the small things. I would even bet it be hard to patent a physical keyboard design anyway not to mention cost associated with such a project.

[papa]

THIS IS DUCK!!!
Nice copy job, most derivative board of 2018.
So, instead of buying an ugly copy,I will buy another real things!

[Tree_]

I mean if it's priced well then who cares? The market has demand and if it's affordable it's a given that people will buy something like this no matter who releases it.

I, for one, would buy this if the price is right.

[QiuFang]

Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 

 

  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)

Last, sorry for my bad english.

[Mcnos]

Love the new design concept. Only thing that irks me personally is the thickness of the front of the top casing. 23mm, can't tell if the render makes it seem thick but i'd like a more of a slimmer bezel towards the front. An angled top casing if you would say. Looks significantly better than the original imo btw though, will be keeping up with the project

[Snappo]

Love the new design concept. Only thing that irks me personally is the thickness of the front of the top casing. 23mm, can't tell if the render makes it seem thick but i'd like a more of a slimmer bezel towards the front. An angled top casing if you would say. Looks significantly better than the original imo btw though, will be keeping up with the project

Seconded.

The front height is what is putting me off.

[foxmancore]

New design is much better!

Lower front height and I'd be in too.

Extra points if brass plate extra option is possible.

[HotRoderX]

I am really sad you had to change the design so much.. keep in mind most the people complaining most likely own a duck board and are just worried yours might be of superior quality lowering there overall value. I have noticed that happen a lot in the community you get a few that will complain XYZ is to close to there expensive custom. Then no one say's anything cause there so worried they might step on someone's toes and get them selfs banned from some future sale. All that kinda attitude does is hurt the community as a hole.

Still this board looks nice! I would still most likely be interested special at your price point. I can't wait to see a prototype.

[mkarlsson]

This is much more your own design, It’s very nice! But it’s true that is still quite high in the front, I would absolutely limit it to 20mm max.

[idlemao]

Agree with HotRoderX and also with Mcnos comments. But overall very excited for your project 

[Harms]

Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 

Show Image

 

Show Image

  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)

Last, sorry for my bad english.

Wow awesome price. What would the color options be?

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[The_judge_168]

New design looks good, though I agree that I would be interested in a lower front

[Poesjuh]

I like it! Also liked the old one but new one is better would also like it to be just a but lower


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[bball2]

$230 is a fantastic price for that setup. Definitely in 

[Tree_]

Preferred the old design which stings because the old design at $230 would have been amazing.

[audax989]

yes!

[Puddsy]

new design is a little boring, but this is a neat looking piece of kit

[Mcnos]

Bump for interest

[tanvir175]

I much prefer the older design.

[idlemao]

I much prefer the older design.

Same

[Harms]

I much prefer the older design.

Same

Well he got a lot of backlash for it, so he had to change it sadly.

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[tanvir175]

I much prefer the older design.

Same

Well he got a lot of backlash for it, so he had to change it sadly.

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Didn't necessarily have to but I guess I understand why.

[nguyenhimself]

keep in mind most the people complaining most likely own a duck board and are just worried yours might be of superior quality lowering there overall value.

Now now, we don't yet know how this GB is going, let's not assume anything here. As OP is a new GH member, a healthy dose of cautiousness is good for everyone. Caveat emptor and such.

This is a small scene, so let's not disrespect each other by copying someone else's signature design. We've seen that there are still a lot of creative ways to make custom cases (look at the ALF X3 or the COD67 or similar), so why do something boring AND risk being branded a clone?

[Allo]

New design looks better, but it is a lot like this case. I think the design could be modified a bit to make it look a bit nicer. I wonder if changing the acrylic layer to an acrylic band around the edge of the case would allow you to lower the plate and PCB, which would allow you to lower the front height of the case.

[audax989]

Liked the older design better. wouldn't mind having it look like a duck. now it looks like a kbdfans kbd66

[Mcnos]

To OP Quifang, how many interests are you looking to get for this project btw?

[Ricinco]

The price sounds good, unfortunately i'm not a fan of the new design.

[QiuFang]

To OP Quifang, how many interests are you looking to get for this project btw?

Actually I do this for myself, so the number is only about 10. I also want to do it fast.

Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 

Show Image

 

Show Image

  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)

Last, sorry for my bad english.

Wow awesome price. What would the color options be?

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Black/Silver/Teal/Deep Red/ Deep Navy ( maybe )

New design looks better, but it is a lot like this case. I think the design could be modified a bit to make it look a bit nicer. I wonder if changing the acrylic layer to an acrylic band around the edge of the case would allow you to lower the plate and PCB, which would allow you to lower the front height of the case.

I am also considering this possibility.

[foxmancore]

Teal sounds awesome!