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Potential community sale...
« on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:41:54 »
I have been offered $10k to sell the geekhack community.

As many of you know, I maintain a SIGNIFICANT loss in maintaining the site.  Folks will donate for a month or two and then stop.  I LOVE the community and it is a great source of pride to see how the community grew out of my seedling of an idea. 

I would RATHER sell to a community member (or a group of members).  So, I am putting this "out there".  If a group of community members can beat the offered price, I will gladly turn over the website to them.  (I will help migrate the site to a new server (hosted/owned/whatever)...and do whatever needs to be done for a successful transition.)  Otherwise, in a month or so, the site will be in the hands of a new company. 

(sorry.  I currently have three mortgages...dude to an unexpected move.  And I simply can't incur the expense any longer.)

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:49:59 »
:(

I understand your position iMav, and appreciate you offering this to the community. Any idea how things might change under the ownership of this other company?

This is just such a big thing to process...  :|

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:50:04 »
Any ideas what plans a company could have for this site? It makes me feel pretty uneasy about it.

Can you give some figures on the current hosting costs?
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:55:04 »
I would anticipate they want to monetize the site. So, ads for sure.  They benefit from the continuing existence of the site...so it isn't going anywhere.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:57:20 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:57:42 »
Depends on who the buyer is. If they maintain a largely hands-off approach then i'm not opposed.

im unable to offer any money in an offer but i'll see if i can get some folks together
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:57:58 »
I SO would like to transition the site to community ownership....but the reality is, I need the money. 

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:59:57 »
I would anticipate they want to monetize the site. So, ads for sure.  They benefit from the continuing existence of the site...so it isn't going anywhere.

I assumed monetization for sure, but any talk of influence on site operations? Will they replace the mods? Or will things operate as today, just with the addition of ads? There sounds to be a lot of uncertainty here...

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:01:10 »
What about setting up a patreon, and seeing how many people we can get to donate?

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:01:25 »
I would anticipate they want to monetize the site. So, ads for sure.  They benefit from the continuing existence of the site...so it isn't going anywhere.

I assumed monetization for sure, but any talk of influence on site operations? Will they replace the mods? Or will things operate as today, just with the addition of ads? There sounds to be a lot of uncertainty here...

if they replace the mods im leaving
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:02:15 »
I will be highly disappointed if it's sold.

I can understand the monthly costs, but selling it because you want money, in my eyes, is selling out.

It depends what the new ownership would change etc. Oh, and the potential buyers need to be named.

If you do want money over community, I'll help contribute to that final sum (~$1k).

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:02:25 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
I pay $240/mo for the dedicated server and I pay $30/mo for the backup services.

I think the site COULD be hosted on a lesser server...so, the monthly cost could be reduced.  (and, certainly, you could automate your own backup if you wanted to.)

Whomever takes over the site, I am willing to help with the transition (obviously). 

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:04:07 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
I pay $240/mo for the dedicated server and I pay $30/mo for the backup services.

I think the site COULD be hosted on a lesser server...so, the monthly cost could be reduced.  (and, certainly, you could automate your own backup if you wanted to.)

Whomever takes over the site, I am willing to help with the transition (obviously).
It seems like we could probably get a sum like that using patreon or something. But it sounds like you actually just want to sell it and not run it with monthly monetary help?

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:04:39 »
Is there any words from what the potential buyer wants to do with the site?

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:04:53 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
I pay $240/mo for the dedicated server and I pay $30/mo for the backup services.

I think the site COULD be hosted on a lesser server...so, the monthly cost could be reduced.  (and, certainly, you could automate your own backup if you wanted to.)

Whomever takes over the site, I am willing to help with the transition (obviously).
It seems like we could probably get a sum like that using patreon or something. But it sounds like you actually just want to sell it and not run it with monthly monetary help?

GH has been operating on a patreon like model forever, and it's clearly stopped working
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:05:39 »
Where is the site hosted currently? On dedicated cloud hosts?


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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:06:26 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
I pay $240/mo for the dedicated server and I pay $30/mo for the backup services.

I think the site COULD be hosted on a lesser server...so, the monthly cost could be reduced.  (and, certainly, you could automate your own backup if you wanted to.)

Whomever takes over the site, I am willing to help with the transition (obviously).
It seems like we could probably get a sum like that using patreon or something. But it sounds like you actually just want to sell it and not run it with monthly monetary help?

GH has been operating on a patreon like model forever, and it's clearly stopped working
But *actually* using patreon might help.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:07:04 »
It seems like we could probably get a sum like that using patreon or something. But it sounds like you actually just want to sell it and not run it with monthly monetary help?
I am not completely closed off to continuing to run the site. I simply can't continue to incur the monthly deficit at this time.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:07:19 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
I pay $240/mo for the dedicated server and I pay $30/mo for the backup services.

I think the site COULD be hosted on a lesser server...so, the monthly cost could be reduced.  (and, certainly, you could automate your own backup if you wanted to.)

Whomever takes over the site, I am willing to help with the transition (obviously).
It seems like we could probably get a sum like that using patreon or something. But it sounds like you actually just want to sell it and not run it with monthly monetary help?

GH has been operating on a patreon like model forever, and it's clearly stopped working
But *actually* using patreon might help.

i'm not optimistic but then again 300 a month isn't that much in the grand scheme of keyboards

what would we do with the extra cash?
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:08:27 »
GH has been operating on a patreon like model forever, and it's clearly stopped working
I agree.  :(


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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:08:48 »
It seems like we could probably get a sum like that using patreon or something. But it sounds like you actually just want to sell it and not run it with monthly monetary help?
I am not completely closed off to continuing to run the site. I simply can't continue to incur the monthly deficit at this time.

How about you set up a patreon account, and see what support we can get in the next month or so? (I guess it has to be you that sets it up for paypal etc)

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:08:52 »
But *actually* using patreon might help.
I don't disagree.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:12:09 »
Could you disclose the monthly maintenance costs for hosting?
I pay $240/mo for the dedicated server and I pay $30/mo for the backup services.

I think the site COULD be hosted on a lesser server...so, the monthly cost could be reduced.  (and, certainly, you could automate your own backup if you wanted to.)

Whomever takes over the site, I am willing to help with the transition (obviously).

I'm not a hosting expert, but this seems like a huge markup. I could probably host this site at work for free with nobody knowing. Can I ask how much storage space the site is using?

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:13:18 »
But *actually* using patreon might help.
I don't disagree.

lets try it and see what happens

gh has its problems but id much rather it stays community owned
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:14:14 »
What are the monthly costs if I may ask? I've ran a popular phpBB forum in the past and it cost me only 110 bucks a year, and that was just for the cost of the domain name and host (which also held a slew of other stuff aside from the forum). It's entirely your decision to sell and you can do whatever you like... I'm just surprised that the reason would be that it costs too much money to host this place?

No need to respond, I jus no understand dis line of thot.
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:14:24 »
Holy cow.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:14:59 »
What are the monthly costs if I may ask? I've ran a popular phpBB forum in the past and it cost me only 110 bucks a year, and that was just for the cost of the domain name and host, which also held a slew of other stuff aside from the forum. It's entirely your decision to sell and you can do whatever you like... I'm just surprised that the reason would be that it costs too much money to host this place?

No need to respond, I jus no understand dis line of thot.

he said above it's about 300 a month
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:15:07 »
I will be highly disappointed if it's sold.

I can understand the monthly costs, but selling it because you want money, in my eyes, is selling out.

It depends what the new ownership would change etc. Oh, and the potential buyers need to be named.

If you do want money over community, I'll help contribute to that final sum (~$1k).

Selling something that hits you every month with a ~$400 bill when you can't afford it isn't selling out, it's just life. It's obvious this wasn't his top choice, or one it seems he wanted to make, but I think the fact that he is opening it up to the community first and not just selling it to a company off the bat is proof he is not "selling out."
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:15:52 »
It's been a good run. Kinda sad to see it go.

The new owners should definitely charge a fee to run IC's and GB's and for artisan forums to exist.

Definitely have a monthly fee for any commercial sub forums to continue to exist.

And a charge per classified posting.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:16:02 »
We have had a prominent donation link for a while now (through paypal).  The pattern is that folks set up donation...and then stop after a couple of months. It has NOT worked...
 

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:16:38 »
What are the monthly costs if I may ask? I've ran a popular phpBB forum in the past and it cost me only 110 bucks a year, and that was just for the cost of the domain name and host, which also held a slew of other stuff aside from the forum. It's entirely your decision to sell and you can do whatever you like... I'm just surprised that the reason would be that it costs too much money to host this place?

No need to respond, I jus no understand dis line of thot.

he said above it's about 300 a month

Huh. Thas weird.
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:17:28 »
I will be highly disappointed if it's sold.

I can understand the monthly costs, but selling it because you want money, in my eyes, is selling out.

It depends what the new ownership would change etc. Oh, and the potential buyers need to be named.

If you do want money over community, I'll help contribute to that final sum (~$1k).

Selling something that hits you every month with a ~$400 bill when you can't afford it isn't selling out, it's just life. It's obvious this wasn't his top choice, or one it seems he wanted to make, but I think the fact that he is opening it up to the community first and not just selling it to a company off the bat is proof he is not "selling out."

Agreed, but I just don't see how it could cost that much, unless the geekhack domain name is costing the majority of it.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:17:39 »
We have had a prominent donation link for a while now (through paypal).  The pattern is that folks set up donation...and then stop after a couple of months. It has NOT worked...

we won't know if a patreon works or not if we don't try

it's a lot more visible than the donation link if we post it on reddit
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:18:23 »
I'm interested iMav, let's talk.
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:19:15 »
Id like to see Patreon actually used, and some promoting/rallying done to drum up support every so often. iMav, I think youve been suffering in silence because the mods dont know the costs or any of these details, so nothing is done in a public-facing manner to help raise funds for the site. Clue us in on these costs, give us some tools to help, and we can probably make some progress. Silently adding a >>DEALS<< header only seemed to frustrate users, and none of the changes were run by the mods. I think bridging that gap would go a long way.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:20:07 »
Id like to see Patreon actually used, and some promoting/rallying done to drum up support every so often. iMav, I think youve been suffering in silence because the mods dont know the costs or any of these details, so nothing is done in a public-facing manner to help raise funds for the site. Clue us in on these costs, give us some tools to help, and we can probably make some progress. Silently adding a >>DEALS<< header only seemed to frustrate users, and none of the changes were run by the mods. I think bridging that gap would go a long way.

100% agree. Seems like a very hands off approach has let everyone down.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:20:54 »
Id like to see Patreon actually used, and some promoting/rallying done to drum up support every so often. iMav, I think youve been suffering in silence because the mods dont know the costs or any of these details, so nothing is done in a public-facing manner to help raise funds for the site. Clue us in on these costs, give us some tools to help, and we can probably make some progress. Silently adding a >>DEALS<< header only seemed to frustrate users, and none of the changes were run by the mods. I think bridging that gap would go a long way.

agree

id like to see an overall more hands on and transparent approach in site ownership nomatter the outcome
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:21:10 »
Id like to see Patreon actually used, and some promoting/rallying done to drum up support every so often. iMav, I think youve been suffering in silence because the mods dont know the costs or any of these details, so nothing is done in a public-facing manner to help raise funds for the site. Clue us in on these costs, give us some tools to help, and we can probably make some progress. Silently adding a >>DEALS<< header only seemed to frustrate users, and none of the changes were run by the mods. I think bridging that gap would go a long way.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:25:45 »
Id like to see Patreon actually used, and some promoting/rallying done to drum up support every so often. iMav, I think youve been suffering in silence because the mods dont know the costs or any of these details, so nothing is done in a public-facing manner to help raise funds for the site. Clue us in on these costs, give us some tools to help, and we can probably make some progress. Silently adding a >>DEALS<< header only seemed to frustrate users, and none of the changes were run by the mods. I think bridging that gap would go a long way.

Agreed with this
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:27:51 »
Patreon or not, this is major overpaying for hosting. You do not need a dedicated server for this forum.

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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:31:00 »
Patreon or not, this is major overpaying for hosting. You do not need a dedicated server for this forum.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:34:49 »
Patreon or not, this is major overpaying for hosting. You do not need a dedicated server for this forum.

Yeah, that's more or less what I'm fishing for. Where is this currently hosted? I know anyone can be an armchair admin, but I'm sure there are many members of the community that could donate time into making sure hosting and load balancing are handled well. I don't know imav's experience with those kinds of things, but transparency in that regard would be a good step.


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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:35:11 »
Patreon or not, this is major overpaying for hosting. You do not need a dedicated server for this forum.

average 750k pageviews a day

https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=stats

That's way expensive for that kind of traffic. I think rackspace has a 1 mil/day baseline at around $40/month

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:36:00 »
Patreon or not, this is major overpaying for hosting. You do not need a dedicated server for this forum.

average 750k pageviews a day

https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=stats

That's way expensive for that kind of traffic. I think rackspace has a 1 mil/day baseline at around $40/month

either way i think the money is there for a 300/mo cost

just gotta figure out how to get people to pay it
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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:39:36 »
I will be highly disappointed if it's sold.

I can understand the monthly costs, but selling it because you want money, in my eyes, is selling out.

It depends what the new ownership would change etc. Oh, and the potential buyers need to be named.

If you do want money over community, I'll help contribute to that final sum (~$1k).

Selling something that hits you every month with a ~$400 bill when you can't afford it isn't selling out, it's just life. It's obvious this wasn't his top choice, or one it seems he wanted to make, but I think the fact that he is opening it up to the community first and not just selling it to a company off the bat is proof he is not "selling out."

Yeah my bad, selling out is the wrong word.

The monthly costs aren't a problem, if done correctly, which they haven't. See Hoff's comment. :p



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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:44:10 »
I'm interested iMav, let's talk.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:50:47 »
My first recommendation to significantly reduce costs is to move it off of 1&1. This site could be hosted for insanely cheaper amounts by not hosting with hand-holding hosting. If you need a system administrator, I'm sure plenty of people in this community are willing and can help. I would offer help myself for free. I operate a server in the US hosted via OVH for less than 100/mo with pretty powerful hardware, but it doesn't come with cPanel or any hosting software built in. jm2c on this situation.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:52:43 »
Here's my bottom line on this. Yes a better patreon method would work and probably help this get funded a little easier, but the real issue is that this is costing way too much. Why have people donate to something that can have it's priced reduced significantly? I'm not too sure of the reason for hosting on a dedicated server, but if it's security, you're wrong. If it's manageability, you're wrong. If it's price, you're wrong. Moving this over to a shared hosting solution can save you like 70% if not more of this monthly cost while also adding several layers of security, and probably more features. I'd gladly donate knowing that the site was costing what it should and not contributing to something financially irresponsible, personally.

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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 13:08:46 »
#1 Whatever your decision is, I respect it. The site is obviously generating less money than it costs to run, so you're obviously not greedy, just can't sustain the current environment.

#2 As others have mentioned, a move to different hardware could already be a huge help, maybe get us halfway and the other half via patreon or so? I'm not an expert on what hardware is required to host the million siteviews a day, but for example with Hetzner you can get 128gb ram, a solid CPU, 1-2tb SSD space on 1gbit with 50tb/month traffic (how much data is a siteview? this would be sufficient for 1.75MB at 30mil monthly views, and I think it costs like a euro or two per additional TB). This seems to me like a good start.


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Re: Potential community sale...
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 13:11:02 »
$10K for such a large and active niche community is a bargain, please be aware of it.
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