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[IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (UPDATED WITH SAMPLES)
« on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 19:57:08 »


ENJOYPBT KURO / SHIRO



This is an Interest Check for a PBT dye-sublimated keyset which combines the legends from the popular Enjoypbt Black Japanese set and the more recent Enjoypbt Black on White.

The kit is largely based on the Enjoypbt Black on White set with the revised legends and icon modifiers.
All the Japanese legends have been redone with a slightly different font than that of the Japanese Black set.

I am also wanting to try slightly thinner legends than my previous sets and also bundle some reverse dye-subbed accents as shown in the kit preview.
These accent keys would need to be manufactured by a different party than Enjoypbt because they don't currently have air-dyesubbing or reverse dyesubbing capabilities.

I am still undecided about the exact white that I want to use but it would very likely be different than the Enjoypbt Black on White set.
If this goes ahead, it will be run through KBDfans.



MOCK UP

*Special thanks to Zekkin for letting me use a photo of his E6_V2 for the mockup.*

KITS

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Standard mod kit

Japanese mod kit

40% Ortho kit

International kit




SAMPLES

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UPDATES

11/10/2018 UPDATE: After looking at the survey, I have started working on some options regarding a Japanese mod kit. Once that is ready, I will be posting it here and opening up another google form to see what your guys preferences are. From the short while that I've worked on the Japanese kit, I've already formed an opinion on which combinations work well but I haven't decided what will be part of the base kit and what would be an addon. I'll also be posting documentation showing how I arrived at some of the design choices.

17/10/2018 UPDATE: Added a google form about the International ISO kit. I will be leaving this open till the end of the week unless I don't receive enough responses, in which case I will leave it up for longer and work on the other kits before coming back to this. Also added individual kits.

20/10/2018 UPDATE: Added the International kit to the list.

31/10/2018 UPDATE: Sent design files to be prototyped. EST is 16th of November at this stage.

07/12/2018 UPDATE: Samples produced. Waiting for high-res photos from KBDfans and then for them to ship the samples to me. Expecting to receive the samples early January.

« Last Edit: Thu, 06 December 2018, 21:50:36 by gok101 »

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:06:55 »
I think it looks magnific and even though I see the overlap with BoW, I would buy this in a heartbeat. Great work as usual!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:14:25 »
I think it looks magnific and even though I see the overlap with BoW, I would buy this in a heartbeat. Great work as usual!

Yup, I've tried changing a few things to reduce the amount of overlap:
  • Thinner legends as outlined in the original post
  • I will be using a different white
  • Japanese legends - slightly different to Enjoypbt Black Hiragana

But the main thing will be the Japanese mod kit which I have been working with Ai03 on which should provide Japanese alternatives to almost every mod key.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:19:56 »
Yup, I've tried changing a few things to reduce the amount of overlap:

I think those are more than enough for justifying getting it even if you already own BoW, which is my case.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:20:28 »
Can we change the 1.5u backspace to use the same arrow as the 2u backspace?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:23:16 »
Can we change the 1.5u backspace to use the same arrow as the 2u backspace?
I'll be keeping the box backspace in the base kit as is but the Japanese kit currently has a different design of small icon + kanji.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:28:19 »
not sure if it's just me but the picture links don't work.

i'd pick up a set, haven't picked up one of the sets already out since i'm not really into beige on my current keyboard.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:38:21 »
not sure if it's just me but the picture links don't work.

i'd pick up a set, haven't picked up one of the sets already out since i'm not really into beige on my current keyboard.
I've just switched the link to a different host. Does it work now?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 21:35:07 »
Why not take advantage that it's dyesub and make sublegends a different color, like red.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 22:15:00 »
Why not take advantage that it's dyesub and make sublegends a different color, like red.
Hi. I chose black sublegends because I wanted something more simple and clean than this:


I thought there is already enough visual interest, especially when combined with Japanese mods.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 22:52:42 »
Or the sublegends in gray?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 11 October 2018, 23:04:13 »
Or the sublegends in gray?
I'll give it a go but I'm still inclined towards just black

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 00:03:15 »
I'd definitely be interested in a Japanese mod kit. One thing I like about the alphas with sublegends is the greater amount of legend color that's on the caps, but in contrast the normal mods seem a bit empty and plain. 

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 00:10:49 »
I am in

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 01:25:25 »
Sublegends with color would be amazing. I'd be all in with that.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 01:31:36 »
would only buy an alpha only addon

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 01:40:31 »
I'd definitely be interested in a Japanese mod kit. One thing I like about the alphas with sublegends is the greater amount of legend color that's on the caps, but in contrast the normal mods seem a bit empty and plain.
I am generally a fan of icon mods but I think the shift keys look a bit empty and I'm not afraid to mix it up a little.
When pooling the kits that I have planned, my preference will be standard bottom row (includes Japanese sublegends for certain keys), Japanese shift, Icon enter, tab and backspace keys and Japanese navigation cluster.

If you look at some of the old Japanese keyboards, there is actually a fair bit of English on them.
My aim is to have both the base and kits consistent with each other so that you can choose whichever key you want to swap in on a case by case basis and not have them stick out like a sore thumb.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 01:43:16 »
would only buy an alpha only addon
I won't be splitting the alphas out, sorry. They wouldn't work with Epbt BoW because it will use a different white, if that was what you were thinking of doing.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 02:02:04 »
Will this set be capable of populating a JIS layout keyboard, like for example the ones by Filco?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 02:19:21 »
At the risk of sounding like one of those people who thinks they know everything about Japan because they watched Karate Kid in the 80's: they say shiro kuro, not kuro shiro.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 02:48:34 »
At the risk of sounding like one of those people who thinks they know everything about Japan because they watched Karate Kid in the 80's: they say shiro kuro, not kuro shiro.
You are right but I was trying to follow the pattern of Black on White. Shiro Kuro would seem more like White on Black to me.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 02:52:28 »
Black and white is good, cleaner then black white and grey.

Is there a timeframe for the GB?


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 02:58:40 »
Will this set be capable of populating a JIS layout keyboard, like for example the ones by Filco?

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I'll need to check. With the sheer number of keys, I'm guessing you would since it also includes fringe keys like 3u spacebars but I really need check.

Black and white is good, cleaner then black white and grey.

Is there a timeframe for the GB?
I can get all the design done by the end of the month but what will delay starting the GB would be getting the samples in.
It took a long time to get the samples for the normal BoW, which was partly responsible for some of the delays, so I'd prefer to have the samples on hand and have everything confirmed before opening the preorders this time round.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 03:03:32 »
Have a rough estimate on price? With that kind of compatibility, I'm most likely in.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 03:11:59 »
Have a rough estimate on price? With that kind of compatibility, I'm most likely in.

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Hard to say since the biggest unknown is sourcing the reversed dyesub accent keys.
Aside from those, I'd say it would be around the 90-100 USD mark including shipping for the base set, same as epbt BoW since it has a similar number of keys.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 05:06:46 »
Would be in with the inclusion of an international kit


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 06:47:32 »
Would be in with the inclusion of an international kit

This. Or having at least the full uk iso kit in the base kit? Right now is half way there...

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 09:51:09 »
I would like some slightly warm white, but not on the yellowish or beige side

What do you have in mind regarding the white color?


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 13:07:56 »
I would like some slightly warm white, but not on the yellowish or beige side

What do you have in mind regarding the white color?


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My aim is to match the ED coated cases but without seeing those, my gut feel would be some similar to GMK WS1.
The original black on white was more like something between WS2 and GR1.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 15:08:29 »
not sure if it's just me but the picture links don't work.

i'd pick up a set, haven't picked up one of the sets already out since i'm not really into beige on my current keyboard.
I've just switched the link to a different host. Does it work now?

Oh my b, I think they're shop links.

They still don't work for me but I was able to find them on kbdfans.

I think it's the %27 in front of the links that's killin it.

Or the sublegends in gray?

I think light gray might look kinda nice actually.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 16:36:47 »
not sure if it's just me but the picture links don't work.

i'd pick up a set, haven't picked up one of the sets already out since i'm not really into beige on my current keyboard.
I've just switched the link to a different host. Does it work now?

Oh my b, I think they're shop links.

They still don't work for me but I was able to find them on kbdfans.

I think it's the %27 in front of the links that's killin it.

Or the sublegends in gray?

I think light gray might look kinda nice actually.
Ah thanks for clarifying. Those links should be fixed now.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 16:52:08 »
i like it

10/10 would buy if ~$100

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 12 October 2018, 22:50:30 »
Out of all the epbt sets coming up this now has my interest the most. I like it as is with a more true white color code as well as an attempt at reverse dye sub for the accent keys. Interested to see what you will do with the Japanese mod kit, will keep my eyes peeled on this IC!

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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 01:16:51 »
I like it, and I want it.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #34 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 12:16:15 »
With 9009 style mod I believe 1 line tab icon will be a more perfect choice. But, I really like this already :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 15:01:28 »
Why are the row numbers inverted on the kit image ? is this an epbt thing ?

Love the set, would love an accent kit - black or red or grey , and sub legends in a more subtle color like grey to make it look a bit less busy.

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« Reply #36 on: Sat, 13 October 2018, 17:40:56 »
Why are the row numbers inverted on the kit image ? is this an epbt thing ?

Love the set, would love an accent kit - black or red or grey , and sub legends in a more subtle color like grey to make it look a bit less busy.
Yup. It is an epbt thing. I'm going to try grey sublegends but I prefer black and which is also part of the theme for the set.

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 01:41:42 »
pls let this set like it is, im loooking foward to a Patlabor thematic. and this is so perfect for the idea :eek:

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 04:55:56 »
Here is a peek at what I've been working on for the Japanese modifiers kit:


Please note that it hasn't been finalised yet and the above only shows part of the kit.

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 05:51:05 »
Here is a peek at what I've been working on for the Japanese modifiers kit:
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Please note that it hasn't been finalised yet and the above only shows part of the kit.
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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 12:48:30 »
I'd like to put the banner in my signature, do you have the info for it?

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 13:08:07 »
I'd like to put the banner in my signature, do you have the info for it?

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I didn't realise that there was a standard size so I'll modify the banner and the code later today.
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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 13:46:34 »
Would definitely support this, assuming all HHKB keys/mods match up properly w/ the theme.

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 13:50:10 »
I'd like to put the banner in my signature, do you have the info for it?

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I didn't realise that there was a standard size so I'll modify the banner and the code later today.

Awesome, thanks!

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 15:22:03 »
I'd like to put the banner in my signature, do you have the info for it?

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I didn't realise that there was a standard size so I'll modify the banner and the code later today.

Awesome, thanks!
Updated!

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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 16:22:12 »
im interested! There needs to be more epbt gbs  :p

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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 16:27:16 »
Here is a peek at what I've been working on for the Japanese modifiers kit:
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Please note that it hasn't been finalised yet and the above only shows part of the kit.

looks so very awesome! I know its a far far away wish, but please consider a international kit.  :-X

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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 17:05:02 »
Here is a peek at what I've been working on for the Japanese modifiers kit:
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Please note that it hasn't been finalised yet and the above only shows part of the kit.

uhmm...yes plz

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 17:23:25 »
Interested! I rarely like black on white but this looks great.
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« Reply #49 on: Sun, 14 October 2018, 18:35:33 »
Here is a peek at what I've been working on for the Japanese modifiers kit:
Show Image


Please note that it hasn't been finalised yet and the above only shows part of the kit.

looks so very awesome! I know its a far far away wish, but please consider a international kit.  :-X

Here is a peek at what I've been working on for the Japanese modifiers kit:
Show Image


Please note that it hasn't been finalised yet and the above only shows part of the kit.

looks so very awesome! I know its a far far away wish, but please consider a international kit.  :-X

Yes, that will be something that I will look at as well as well as 40% ortho compatibility. I've mentioned this elsewhere before but the tricky thing would be in dealing with the ISO keys that already have sub legends. In the end, it won't be a 'proper' Japanese layout but I should be able to get it to cover the full hiragana alphabet and punctuation keys.