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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:19:39 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
00:13:58 cutoff for Reflex FCFS Spot.

Looking good so far, my form didn't come up til 10:01. Hope I made fcfs paradox
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:20:07 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
00:13:58 cutoff for Reflex FCFS Spot.

How do we check if we made it?

Your submit time is 00:01:49.  ;)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:21:43 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
00:13:58 cutoff for Reflex FCFS Spot.

How do we check if we made it?

Time stamp of email confirmation from the google form. also if you view the raw info it give you a more detailed timestamp.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:22:44 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
Nice. Got mine. Let me know when editing is allowed!
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:30:45 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
Nice. Got mine. Let me know when editing is allowed!

Everyone can edit their forms, it shouldn't change your place & I've already taken screenshot of the FCFS Spots.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:44:00 »
Nice! Got myself a Reflex, will be keeping my eyes peeled on this thread for updates. Thanks for running the group buy, fellow Singaporean! :)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:51:58 »
Nice! Got myself a Reflex, will be keeping my eyes peeled on this thread for updates. Thanks for running the group buy, fellow Singaporean! :)

Hey thank you guys for the support!  :D Some of you must have woken early on a Saturday to join this GB...  :-\

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:57:59 »
Got my response email at 8:02 PST so not sure if I made it in or not :/

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #58 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 11:19:05 »
I'm innnn, yes

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 11:19:27 »
Got my response email at 8:02 PST so not sure if I made it in or not :/

looks like you have a raffle spot.

Anyone wants a confirmation on FCFS spot can message me. Will most likely get back to you tomorrow, 1am here in SG...

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 13:29:39 »
Not in the buy, but really happy these both sold. Not surprised at all.
Looking forward to your next designs, and hopefully a lower price.

Good luck with the GB from here!

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 13:56:57 »
Yeah, congrats on reaching both MOQs with such ridiculous pricing  :p
Edit: OK, so not quite... forgot there were raffled spots

Looking forward to seeing the produced boards
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 15:11:42 »
I think that these things will look great when they are done. I am excited to see them.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #63 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 15:52:28 »
Where do I wire transfer all of my money
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #64 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 16:22:33 »
Does anyone have an example of raw sandblasted vs clear coated brass by chance?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 30 December 2018, 04:22:47 »
Does anyone have an example of raw sandblasted vs clear coated brass by chance?

Sandblasted + Clear coated brass weight will have a gloss at certain angles, and a flat matte look at others:

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Raw Sandblasted Brass is just Matte at all angles, and will develops a patina as the surface oxidises.
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 30 December 2018, 05:02:37 »
Hi All,

As Paradox has already reached MOQ, and the Order Form is now closed.

The Reflex order form will remain open until MOQ filled. Ideally I'd like to have at least MOQ+3 in case someone backs out during invoicing, but will see how that goes as we are at MOQ-2.
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 30 December 2018, 13:32:57 »
I thought reflex had already met moq lol.
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 30 December 2018, 13:35:45 »
I think he means for those who are in the raffle pool, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 30 December 2018, 23:53:38 »
When we will know the result of raffle pool?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 30 December 2018, 23:58:45 »
When we will know the result of raffle pool?

Waiting on Reflex MOQ
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Opened!!)
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 00:53:56 »
didn't get in for paradox but looks great

hopefully the gb goes smoothly  :thumb:
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 04:40:14 »
I'm bored at work and dangerously tempted to splash out on a Reflex. Just to be clear, there's two spots left, not two spots in a raffle? Also is there any typing test of the Reflex? I like the idea with the slits but just not sure how it'll play out. Aaaalso, would it be possible to swap out the brass plate for an alu plate as part of the base kit purchase?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 05:22:55 »
I'm bored at work and dangerously tempted to splash out on a Reflex. Just to be clear, there's two spots left, not two spots in a raffle? Also is there any typing test of the Reflex? I like the idea with the slits but just not sure how it'll play out. Aaaalso, would it be possible to swap out the brass plate for an alu plate as part of the base kit purchase?

We have 13/15 Reflex spots filled, and you can find the typing test for the Reflex in the original IC thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97859.msg2692533#msg2692533

Unfortunately the brass plate quantities are fixed to get the bulk pricing with the factory, so can't really replace it for the Aluminium plate... Aluminium plates are more expensive because of that.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 06:44:17 »
I'm bored at work and dangerously tempted to splash out on a Reflex. Just to be clear, there's two spots left, not two spots in a raffle? Also is there any typing test of the Reflex? I like the idea with the slits but just not sure how it'll play out. Aaaalso, would it be possible to swap out the brass plate for an alu plate as part of the base kit purchase?
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 15:22:35 »
I'm bored at work and dangerously tempted to splash out on a Reflex. Just to be clear, there's two spots left, not two spots in a raffle? Also is there any typing test of the Reflex? I like the idea with the slits but just not sure how it'll play out. Aaaalso, would it be possible to swap out the brass plate for an alu plate as part of the base kit purchase?

We have 13/15 Reflex spots filled, and you can find the typing test for the Reflex in the original IC thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97859.msg2692533#msg2692533

Unfortunately the brass plate quantities are fixed to get the bulk pricing with the factory, so can't really replace it for the Aluminium plate... Aluminium plates are more expensive because of that.

Ok fair enough. Is there a gallery of pics I'm missing somewhere? Would love to see some pics of the black board with the red plate in. Also just to check will the red alu plate match the red offered for the case?
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 22:16:17 »
I'm bored at work and dangerously tempted to splash out on a Reflex. Just to be clear, there's two spots left, not two spots in a raffle? Also is there any typing test of the Reflex? I like the idea with the slits but just not sure how it'll play out. Aaaalso, would it be possible to swap out the brass plate for an alu plate as part of the base kit purchase?

We have 13/15 Reflex spots filled, and you can find the typing test for the Reflex in the original IC thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97859.msg2692533#msg2692533

Unfortunately the brass plate quantities are fixed to get the bulk pricing with the factory, so can't really replace it for the Aluminium plate... Aluminium plates are more expensive because of that.

Ok fair enough. Is there a gallery of pics I'm missing somewhere? Would love to see some pics of the black board with the red plate in. Also just to check will the red alu plate match the red offered for the case?

The black Reflex is from the first prototype, and only the V1.00 plate fit in it due to the mount design, which was modified in later versions:

V1.00


V1.08
209796-1

Here is some photos of the Black Reflex:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97859.msg2679647#msg2679647

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209798-2


And the raw final Reflex proto:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97859.msg2692305#msg2692305

And yes, the Aluminium Plate anodising color will be the same as the red offered for the case, however they are different alloys of aluminium, so there may be some slight differences in shade.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 01 January 2019, 15:54:53 »
How are we looking for this?
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 01 January 2019, 18:57:07 »
Still 2 Spots up for Reflex, not accounting for any backouts during invoicing.

The deadline for the GB will be 7 days from form opening, so that's  just over 3 days left to fill the spots.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 01 January 2019, 21:06:40 »
Come on reflex! Don't want to miss out on this design.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:48:32 »
So...if MOQ is not met for Reflex, does Paradox still get made or will you give more spots over to Paradox? I'm thinking perhaps something like 17 for Paradox and only 13 for Reflex?

Just curious. Did you do any promoting of these keyboards outside Geekhack?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 19:25:19 »
The spots are locked with the factory for a lump sum cost, any negotiation to change the design distribution may affect the pricing.

If the MOQ is not met for Reflex by the deadline, the GB will be cancelled, including for the Paradox.

The design had a long IC thread, was featured on Top Clack twice as well as by other channels, and was "lively discussed" in various Discord channels. I think it has reached most of the audiences that will likely spend this amount on a custom keyboard, and not really for lack of promotion or awareness.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 19:31:51 »
Would it be possible to announce/do the raffle for the Paradox before the reflex closes? Announcing the Paradox winners might push some of the losers to jump on the Reflex
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:12:23 »
Would it be possible to announce/do the raffle for the Paradox before the reflex closes? Announcing the Paradox winners might push some of the losers to jump on the Reflex

Sure, we can do that. However again, this is removing the reserved pool for invoicing backouts. As there are already at least 1 that have informed me they will back out of the Reflex, I hope everyone at least prepare for the worse.

I will run the raffle around Friday, and email/message you if you did not win a slot for the Paradox.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:37:00 »
The spots are locked with the factory for a lump sum cost, any negotiation to change the design distribution may affect the pricing.

If the MOQ is not met for Reflex by the deadline, the GB will be cancelled, including for the Paradox.

The design had a long IC thread, was featured on Top Clack twice as well as by other channels, and was "lively discussed" in various Discord channels. I think it has reached most of the audiences that will likely spend this amount on a custom keyboard, and not really for lack of promotion or awareness.


Not insinuating that there was lack of promotion; I was just curious because I noticed the IC thread only a day before the GB went live. I'm usually more active over on Reddit and did not notice anything over there about the keyboard. Perhaps posting over there will push us over MOQ? After all, what do we have to lose if we don't try?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:39:27 »
Would it be possible to announce/do the raffle for the Paradox before the reflex closes? Announcing the Paradox winners might push some of the losers to jump on the Reflex

Sure, we can do that. However again, this is removing the reserved pool for invoicing backouts. As there are already at least 1 that have informed me they will back out of the Reflex, I hope everyone at least prepare for the worse.

I will run the raffle around Friday, and email/message you if you did not win a slot for the Paradox.

Thanks! Really hope the MOQ is met for that Reflex! The boards look really interesting :thumb:
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:52:05 »
Can you add the Reflex sound test to the OP?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 02 January 2019, 21:11:44 »
Can you add the Reflex sound test to the OP?

Video added.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (1 Spot for Reflex)
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 03 January 2019, 10:17:09 »
1 spot remaining for Reflex.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 03 January 2019, 13:25:44 »
The spots are locked with the factory for a lump sum cost, any negotiation to change the design distribution may affect the pricing.

If the MOQ is not met for Reflex by the deadline, the GB will be cancelled, including for the Paradox.

The design had a long IC thread, was featured on Top Clack twice as well as by other channels, and was "lively discussed" in various Discord channels. I think it has reached most of the audiences that will likely spend this amount on a custom keyboard, and not really for lack of promotion or awareness.


Not insinuating that there was lack of promotion; I was just curious because I noticed the IC thread only a day before the GB went live. I'm usually more active over on Reddit and did not notice anything over there about the keyboard. Perhaps posting over there will push us over MOQ? After all, what do we have to lose if we don't try?

I'd actually agree and say if there was a GB thread on reddit it might garner the last bit of attention needed to get the last buyer(s)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 03 January 2019, 13:58:14 »
The spots are locked with the factory for a lump sum cost, any negotiation to change the design distribution may affect the pricing.

If the MOQ is not met for Reflex by the deadline, the GB will be cancelled, including for the Paradox.

The design had a long IC thread, was featured on Top Clack twice as well as by other channels, and was "lively discussed" in various Discord channels. I think it has reached most of the audiences that will likely spend this amount on a custom keyboard, and not really for lack of promotion or awareness.

Windeh,

If you aren't familiar with /r/MechanicalKeyboards over at Reddit, I would be happy to post a thread over there on your behalf. I'll largely just link to this thread.

Just let me know. I'll be clear in communicating that only one spot is open, but to stay tuned because some might not pay their invoice.


Not insinuating that there was lack of promotion; I was just curious because I noticed the IC thread only a day before the GB went live. I'm usually more active over on Reddit and did not notice anything over there about the keyboard. Perhaps posting over there will push us over MOQ? After all, what do we have to lose if we don't try?

I'd actually agree and say if there was a GB thread on reddit it might garner the last bit of attention needed to get the last buyer(s)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (2 Spots Remain for Reflex)
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 03:40:29 »
The spots are locked with the factory for a lump sum cost, any negotiation to change the design distribution may affect the pricing.

If the MOQ is not met for Reflex by the deadline, the GB will be cancelled, including for the Paradox.

The design had a long IC thread, was featured on Top Clack twice as well as by other channels, and was "lively discussed" in various Discord channels. I think it has reached most of the audiences that will likely spend this amount on a custom keyboard, and not really for lack of promotion or awareness.

Windeh,

If you aren't familiar with /r/MechanicalKeyboards over at Reddit, I would be happy to post a thread over there on your behalf. I'll largely just link to this thread.

Just let me know. I'll be clear in communicating that only one spot is open, but to stay tuned because some might not pay their invoice.


Not insinuating that there was lack of promotion; I was just curious because I noticed the IC thread only a day before the GB went live. I'm usually more active over on Reddit and did not notice anything over there about the keyboard. Perhaps posting over there will push us over MOQ? After all, what do we have to lose if we don't try?

I'd actually agree and say if there was a GB thread on reddit it might garner the last bit of attention needed to get the last buyer(s)


Had your post buried inside your quote, so read through a couple time to see what you posted...  :p

Anyway please feel free to link to this thread on Reddit. However know that I have already gotten some more messages that they are backing out of the Reflex spot, so the gap have again widened.


I have taken to heart all criticisms regarding the pricing for this GB, and have gone on a crusade to lower my manufacturing costs. Should this GB fail to meet MOQ, all of you that submitted the order form up to this point will get priority and a discount to my next design, which I'm now finalizing the details with a new factory to produce.  However, should the aforementioned event occur, the Reflex & Paradox designs will be shelved for the foreseeable future.

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Its not possible to have this design manufactured at a different factory in order to reduce cost to attract more buyers?
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Its not possible to have this design manufactured at a different factory in order to reduce cost to attract more buyers?


Right? I'm sure those of us interested in these designs would not mind to wait a bit longer if it meant a significant price reduction? After all, Chinese New Year is already gone to cause quite a long delay regardless

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Its not possible to have this design manufactured at a different factory in order to reduce cost to attract more buyers?




Right? I'm sure those of us interested in these designs would not mind to wait a bit longer if it meant a significant price reduction? After all, Chinese New Year is already gone to cause quite a long delay regardless


Its not possible to have this design manufactured at a different factory in order to reduce cost to attract more buyers?


There will not be any significant price reduction for the Paradox or Reflex, as the only way to reduce their cost is to simplify their design.

The cost for these 2 designs has already happened, by ways of the prototypes and samples made. These will not go away with a change of factory. In fact, every time a factory is changed, new samples need to be made or you'll be going into a GB blind.

The complexity to get the fitment of Paradox weight to the case right also means that the cost cannot be distributed with a larger group buy, as each weight needs to be manually fitted. 15 is about as much as I can handle.

I will isolate the cost for developing the Reflex & Paradox within this project, so not to inflate the cost of subsequent designs.

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Annnnnyway, lets start the raffle for the Paradox!!!  :cool:

there are 10 entries for 7 raffle slots, we will do this the easy way. Someone give me 3 numbers from 1-12, and those picked will be moved to the reserve list.

Go! please check if someone posted already, we don't wanna spam the thread...
« Last Edit: Fri, 04 January 2019, 09:11:53 by Windeh »

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Annnnnyway, lets start the raffle for the Paradox!!!  :cool:

there are 10 entries for 7 raffle slots, we will do this the easy way. Someone give me 3 numbers from 1-12, and those picked will not get a slot.

Go! please check if someone posted already, we don't wanna spam the thread...

1, 11, 12

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Edit: Nm, garbo beat me to it by a second  :))

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Annnnnyway, lets start the raffle for the Paradox!!!  :cool:

there are 10 entries for 7 raffle slots, we will do this the easy way. Someone give me 3 numbers from 1-12, and those picked will not get a slot.

Go! please check if someone posted already, we don't wanna spam the thread...

1, 11, 12

Thanks for the hands of death...  :))

The following participants will be in the reserved slots for the Paradox;

  • mdlt97
  • repuls0r
  • finalarcadia