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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:31:43 »
Thanks for the indepth and thorough answers! It's very much appreciated! I'm definitely considering buying one!

Would you consider selling the Bluetooth PCB on its own?

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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:52:40 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 00:58:51 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 02:12:32 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
But is the slot reserved for the battery off-center?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 03:06:52 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
But is the slot reserved for the battery off-center?

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the green area is the battery slot, the red area slot and cutout are canceled.  of course you can say it's off center, it's under the top bezel, not on the center of gravity. :thumb:

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 10:26:58 »
It looks like that has to be a fairly slim battery, especially if going with tray mount. Is that photo the end product, or are there plans to make a recess in the battery compartment or raise the standoffs for tray mount in height a bit?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 11:25:10 »
It looks like that has to be a fairly slim battery, especially if going with tray mount. Is that photo the end product, or are there plans to make a recess in the battery compartment or raise the standoffs for tray mount in height a bit?

The photo is not the end product, the slot has enough room for battery that width under 41mm and thickness under 7mm, at this size, it got lots of choices on amazon with a capacity from 1000mah to 2000mah, they can keep G60 working for around 1 month. the slot can't goes any wider, the wider it goes, the thinner the case bottom is, and it's now reaching a limitation, and as I said on post above, no plan and not recommended to install battery under the PCB, the switches pins are very dangerous to a Li-Po battery.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #107 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 01:10:48 »
Thanks for the indepth and thorough answers! It's very much appreciated! I'm definitely considering buying one!

Would you consider selling the Bluetooth PCB on its own?

Maybe in the future? Not sure how much demand is there for just a blue tooth pcb :)
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #108 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 10:29:47 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.


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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 11:22:15 »
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:32:31 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:00:56 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?

I'm definitely considering Jamon.  I still hope Red Cadet gets made.  ;D

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 22:41:42 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?

I'm definitely considering Jamon.  I still hope Red Cadet gets made.  ;D

Not sure if I will get Jamon...I got red samurai and dont know what case to use with Jamon :(
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #113 on: Sat, 19 January 2019, 09:57:32 »
It has arrived!!!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:46:52 »
It has arrived!!!

yes and only about a week left to join!
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #115 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:07:47 »
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.

Modern Dolch, hopefully shipping soon :)
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:29:32 »
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.

Modern Dolch, hopefully shipping soon :)

I do have that coming too  :))

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:06:45 »
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:37:52 »
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

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This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:54:28 »
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

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This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

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Thanks for that

I think I will join when my next pay cheque come in

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 22:35:25 »
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(Attachment Link)

This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

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Thanks for that

I think I will join when my next pay cheque come in

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Given CNY is on the horizon, we might just extend it to after CNY, since factory will shut down very soon and will open after CNY anyway. I will talk to Scott and see. WIll keep updating.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 21:55:47 »
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(Attachment Link)

This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)
Thanks for that

I think I will join when my next pay cheque come in

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Given CNY is on the horizon, we might just extend it to after CNY, since factory will shut down very soon and will open after CNY anyway. I will talk to Scott and see. WIll keep updating.
Cool, let us know if the GB gets extended

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:42:36 »
G60 + CF Plate +Rubber Gasket + Holy Panda: Typing test!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #123 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 18:09:01 »
G60 + CF Plate +Rubber Gasket + Holy Panda: Typing test!


 :eek: <3

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 22:56:47 »
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 23:31:55 »
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!

+1 for gaskets!!!!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 23:59:11 »
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!

+1 for gaskets!!!!
+1 for gasket!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 00:07:00 »
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!

G60 opens up tons of possibilities given the space inside that can be used. I am sure if the rubber gaskets are not so expensive Scott will include them for free. Will see if he needs to open up a mold for it (to achieve best fit), if there are affordable ones already made by others and sold in in "made in china" prices it will certainly be ideal.

Please make more noises, as Scott likes innovative suggestions :)
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:26:07 »
Update: Scott said in discord that he will add a gasket kit for G60 buyers. Great news, and have fun!

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:42:05 »
Thank you oldcat :thumb:

And since we have to wait for the factory open anyway, I finally decided to extend the group buy to Feb 15.

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:45:42 »
Thank you very much! Also good to know it's extended to the 15th. Need to decide on which layout to take.
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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #131 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:23:27 »
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:41:03 »
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

Usually there is AC in doors though :)
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My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

I love plastic ones too, metal is not what we need but it's the most effective way to put our ideas into realistic, in now days and in product scale this small (usually less than 100 units). 3D printing is great, but you will limited by colors or textures if you need accuracy(SLA), or you have to endure poor accuracy if you need multiple colors(ABS).
 

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 15:15:06 »
How close is the render of the pink case to it in real life? Like is it more like hot pink or salmon, and does it look more like a plastic pink or aluminum pink. How well do you guys think the pink case would go with GMK Olivia or SA Grand Budapest?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 22:46:28 »
Update: Scott said in discord that he will add a gasket kit for G60 buyers. Great news, and have fun!

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that does not look right, gaskets are supposed to go between the plate and the pcb but this looks like it is just on top of both which wouldnt change anything? not to be rude, im just confused
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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 02:28:42 »
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

Usually there is AC in doors though :)

Yeah what  :eek:

Now, touch a plastic surface, and then a metal surface, like the case of your computer. Both have the same temperature, but the metal one will appear much more cold because it sucks the heat of your fingers at a much faster rate thus appearing to be much colder. And in facts it behaves like it is much colder, because your hands at the end will be noticeably colder.

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 14:47:16 »
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

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« Reply #138 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 15:00:49 »
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)
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« Reply #139 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:43:51 »
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)

That said, the rubber rings installed on the screws (both sides) definitely make a significant difference in sound, less metal resonance
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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #140 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:20:48 »
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)

So what effect does the gasket actually have? Does it deaden the sound or something?

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #141 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 14:50:08 »
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)

So what effect does the gasket actually have? Does it deaden the sound or something?

Part of the kit you will have the correct sizes rubber rings and they will increase flex and dampen the metal sound.

The gasket mounted on the pcb Im not sure I will report something concrete  when I get a prototype
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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #142 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 13:01:05 »
G60 working with an iPhone, lag is minimal :)

The dual mode PCB is designed by Scott (with QMK). And it will ship with VIA support (convenient keymap change and on-the-fly keymap update written to EEPROM).

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #143 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 18:29:48 »
Just joined, it'll be perfect for the office :D
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« Reply #144 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 18:43:33 »
Do you have any pictures of the no blocker version?

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« Reply #145 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 18:55:50 »
Do you have any pictures of the no blocker version?

Check these.. ;)

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #146 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 20:22:30 »
Instructions on using VIA configurator to set keymap for G60's dual-mode PCB

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
« Reply #147 on: Tue, 05 February 2019, 01:39:49 »
Happy Chinese New Year!  Gong Xi Fa Cai!


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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
« Reply #148 on: Tue, 05 February 2019, 23:56:12 »
Hey Scott, any chance I can cancel my order that I paid for? Turns out I need the funds more than I thought.. :(

Online oldcat

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:43:28 »
Hey Scott, any chance I can cancel my order that I paid for? Turns out I need the funds more than I thought.. :(

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