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[IC] SALAMANDER
« on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 08:29:46 »
19.02.10
I couldn't open on the day I tried to start because I didn't get along well with Giggs.
I was careless. I'm very sorry.

I'll schedule the application after GB approval.


19.02.08

I had Korean New Year's Day and was very busy with personal matters.
I'm sorry to my waiting friends.

PCB will use hineybush product. Not include TX bag and price has been cut down a bit.
I'm done talking to him and I'm about to decide on the kind.

It will be held at dawn this Sunday ( 01:00 ).  UTC+09:00


19.01.28

Here's some very bad news.

I did not consider the schedule of KIN25

It was careless and thoughtless of me.

There are PCB to replace TX87, It is little expensive in Korea.

I will find another alternative and worry about it.

The GB will be slightly postponed.




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This is the IC thread of Salamander TKL.
The original group buy was held in South Korea, but I am posting as there were some requests for an international GB.








 Specs

-Aluminium 6061 / Polycarbonate (Manufactured in South Korea)
-Sandwich mount
-7 Degree angle

 Base Kit ($454 -> $420)
There will be a limit of 20 kits due to PayPal withdrawal issues.

Top / Bottom (Aluminium 6061 / Polycarbonate),
STS 304 (Stainless steel) Plate
Polished STS 304 weight
Tx87 PCB (Leeku)
Tx bag

hineybush's H87A / Not include tx bag



 
 Color options

Black / Silver / Red / Blue / Champagne gold / Pink (Rose Gold) / Purple, Hard brown gray
https://imgur.com/a/dAFubdV

 Plate options

STS 304 / White PBT (+$15) / Black PVC (+$15) / Carbon fiber (+$20)
Alps plates are also available but do note that the only option for PCB is the Tx87 PCB for MX style switches.

 Weight options

Polished STS 304 / Gold-plated Brass (+$36)


 Schedule
- GB will start on February 1st.
- FCFS through Google Form.


 Shipping

EMS - Ships from Korea
Asia ($35) / Australia ($68) / EU, Canada ($63) / USA ($75)

 Terms

Color of the final product could different from the picture.  Because it is really hard to take a picture color of product by camera
While I will put my best effort in to QC, I cannot guarantee that all boards will be 100% perfect.
Traces of manufacturing may exist where it is not visible when assembled, and small scratches or subtle color differences between top / bottom part may occur during the manufacturing process.
For serious defects, replacements or a full refund could be an option. For minor ones, a partial refund could be offered.
Plate / color options can be changed when the actual GB starts. In this case, I will notify you in advance.

Because of my poor English skills, I was misunderstood to people on geekhack
Fortunately, I could write a more accurate sentence through a kind friend.
If you have the option you want, please let me know in advance.

Thank you for your valuable time.


2019/01/28
Change Component

2019/01/22
Added pictures, updated price, updated thread to avoid possible misunderstandings.

2019/01/14
Initial IC thread posted



« Last Edit: Sat, 09 February 2019, 10:41:07 by quad_h »

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 08:32:47 »
Definitely interested in any type of plastic plate like pbt or abs count me in
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 08:34:38 »
What is the color/finish in the prototype photos - hard anodized brown gray?   :thumb:  Would the rest be bright dip anodized like "shine gray" from LifeZone?  Would love to see a sample of rose gold and champagne.
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 08:45:33 »
Interested  :cool:

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 08:47:02 »
WKL option?
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 08:52:46 »
What is the color/finish in the prototype photos - hard anodized brown gray?   :thumb:  Would the rest be bright dip anodized like "shine gray" from LifeZone?  Would love to see a sample of rose gold and champagne.

It will be different from his color.
I added pictures to the link.

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[IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 09:00:38 »
Looks like a very classic design - I like it!

Edit: $410 is only for the top and bottom piece or does it also include the weight?
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 09:04:32 »
Looks like a very classic design - I like it!

Edit: $410 is only for the top and bottom piece or does it also include the weight?


Not include weight !
That is a separate amount.

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 09:05:25 »
Looks like a very classic design - I like it!

Edit: $410 is only for the top and bottom piece or does it also include the weight?


Not include weight !
That is a separate amount.

Okay, thanks for the quick reply.

Ill skip this then, for me, its too expensive. But good luck with the GB!

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 09:53:20 »
So if I'm correct. $490 for the -cheapest- kit with weight and plate? Damn son :O

It does look nice though, gl with the gb :)

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 10:24:05 »
that rose gold is nice
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 10:35:27 »
Interested in how the blue will look.

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 10:52:00 »
Cheapest option for tkl kit is $490 + 75 Shipping?

So $565 for this board?

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 11:02:29 »
Could we get an explanation to why the price is a 1,000:1 exchange rate from KRW to USD?
If exchange rates were to apply, the cheapest TKL option should be around $435-$440. (1,120.37:1)

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 12:00:57 »
I hope I am able to join! I would love the polycarb. Any estimates as to when the GB will start?

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 12:17:28 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 January 2019, 12:35:19 by KaosJ »

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 13:36:52 »
I just want to to say that as someone part of the original Korean group buy, The runner made sure that everything was perfect before finally shipping everything. I think because English isn't his first language there might be some confusion where it seems like he doesn't care. I can confirm that he cares a lot about the QC of the final product and that he will do his best to meet the expectations for his group buy.
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 13:53:21 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:18:06 »
How does a pbt plate compare to PC?

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:19:08 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

imagine complaining about gb prices in 2019

I think it is a valid and fair complaint. Are you trying to make fun of the quoted person for their opinion on the matter?

OP has very little to no history on GeekHack, and has attached a cost that is equal to that of Duck / LZ / TGR etc. - Could you share the thought process on just blindly accepting this price?


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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:25:54 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

imagine complaining about gb prices in 2019

>Kinda new user on GH (he probably did other GBs, surely not here).
>"There may be some damage during processing or delivery."
>"Scratch and very small injury may exist."
>"It's good for each other not to participate if you're sensitive."
>$550 on a tkl which seems like a kbdfans design (clearly the design is to cut down costs). 

Idk man, for that price you should kinda have a dude QC your keeb for hours and move it to b-stock even if there is just a 0.01mm dot or scratch. 
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:29:07 by KaosJ »

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:29:03 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

imagine complaining about gb prices in 2019

>Kinda new user on GH (he probably did other GBs, surely not here).
>There may be some damage during processing or delivery.
>Scratch and very small injury may exist.
>It's good for each other not to participate if you're sensitive.
>$550 on a tkl which seems like a kbdfans design (clearly the design is to cut down costs). 

Idk man

He ran it in Korea already but you make good points
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:47:00 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

imagine complaining about gb prices in 2019

I think it is a valid and fair complaint. Are you trying to make fun of the quoted person for their opinion on the matter?

OP has very little to no history on GeekHack, and has attached a cost that is equal to that of Duck / LZ / TGR etc. - Could you share the thought process on just blindly accepting this price?



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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 15:52:53 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

imagine complaining about gb prices in 2019

I think it is a valid and fair complaint. Are you trying to make fun of the quoted person for their opinion on the matter?

OP has very little to no history on GeekHack, and has attached a cost that is equal to that of Duck / LZ / TGR etc. - Could you share the thought process on just blindly accepting this price?



youre right -- someone get Ja Rule brianlee in here to methodically break it down

So meta. I gotta remember not to feed the trolls. GL OP GL BUYERS.

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 16:24:11 »
lmao

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 17:19:36 »
What's the difference between PBT and PVC plates?

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 17:52:31 »
Cheapest option for tkl kit is $490 + 75 Shipping?

So $565 for this board?

muy expensivo - I think I will have to pass at this price point.
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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 17:53:59 »
Very cool this is finally happening.

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 17:54:28 »
What's the difference between PBT and PVC plates?

Two letters

And probably sound
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 18:59:33 »
I'd rather not comment on price because truthfully I'm not interested in the design at all personally - that said, I think if you're going to try and compete with (as well as the reputation that precedes each one, reliability, etc etc) the Jane V2 or the Orion etc, you really need to try and have your design stand out somehow, either aesthetically or otherwise. In my opinion nothing here even remotely feels like an attempt at doing that.

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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:29:10 »
Can we get some 86 key action on this board :cool:

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:30:57 »
I'd rather not comment on price because truthfully I'm not interested in the design at all personally - that said, I think if you're going to try and compete with (as well as the reputation that precedes each one, reliability, etc etc) the Jane V2 or the Orion etc, you really need to try and have your design stand out somehow, either aesthetically or otherwise. In my opinion nothing here even remotely feels like an attempt at doing that.

It's p close to being a matrix 1.2 clone
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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:39:14 »
That hard brown grey looks very interesting.

It's p close to being a matrix 1.2 clone
I believe OTD 456GT was the inspiration. Referring this (geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95610.0)
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 January 2019, 20:48:49 by sythie »

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:52:56 »
I've been waiting for this GB, hard brown grey AF

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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 20:35:57 »
What are the layout options, I mean do we get ISO?
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 January 2019, 23:53:02 by sythie »

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 21:29:04 »
I don't know about you boys, but looks like I have another project.
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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:05:25 »
What are the layout options, I mean do we get ISO?


US / ISO Both available

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:06:41 »
What's the difference between PBT and PVC plates?

It's very soft compared to carbon.
Also, the sound pitch is low.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:08:12 »
How does a pbt plate compare to PC?

I can't compare with PC.
differences and colors in different materials

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:10:28 »
What's the difference between PBT and PVC plates?

The soft is almost the same.
have a different sound pitch
PVC has a low sound pitch.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:17:53 »
The price is not fixed. It will be a little cheaper but not more expensive.
However, it was temporarily measured due to the small amount of progress.
Since it is still IC level, I will fully gather opinions.

It was recently launched in Korea and the delivery was completed.
Some foreigners participated in the Korean GB.
Their participation was very impressive to me.

I will do our best, but if there is a small problem, I will make a partial refund.
Of course, the big problem will be checked in the first place and if there is a big problem, I will replace it.

But I'll do my best not to let that happen.

Translation doesn't exactly make sense.
Unfortunately, there is a problem that some of your opinions do not make sense.

There may be misunderstanding because I am not good at English.
I'd appreciate it if you could understand.
Surely foreign culture is very strange to me. Anyway, thank you for your valuable time.
« Last Edit: Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:20:23 by quad_h »

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 08:47:57 »
What's the difference between PBT and PVC plates?

The soft is almost the same.
have a different sound pitch
PVC has a low sound pitch.
According to this comparison on PVC-P and PBT the density should be about the same.
1.4 g/cm3 for PVC-P and
1.3-1.5 g/cm3 for PBT

Their stiffness is different though. The PVC-P should be way more flexible it seems.

Although I am not sure if PVC-P has the exact same properties as the PVC being offered in this thread.
« Last Edit: Tue, 15 January 2019, 12:19:35 by sythie »

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 16:39:28 »
A simple simple design that makes it cheaper (i don't see any design choice that would increase the price) , not much material and basically "standard" materials nowdays, that's for:

$410 + $85 +$55 = $550   (before shipping, for a simple tkl with nothing particular)
 
Add shipping and import fees, that would be around $800 at GB price for me.  GL

imagine complaining about gb prices in 2019

>Kinda new user on GH (he probably did other GBs, surely not here).
>There may be some damage during processing or delivery.
>Scratch and very small injury may exist.
>It's good for each other not to participate if you're sensitive.
>$550 on a tkl which seems like a kbdfans design (clearly the design is to cut down costs). 

Idk man

He ran it in Korea already but you make good points

The IC has been around for a while now on Keebtalk but I mean, Keebtalk...

Also if I recall correctly Nathan Kim did a review on it, and I hope that's not the reason behind the price. 550+ usd for a basic design with no real flavor and standard materials, all for a TKL is a damn lot.

If he ran it in Korea already I wonder how many people joined in.

That's a big nope for me.

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:44:19 »

The IC has been around for a while now on Keebtalk but I mean, Keebtalk...

Also if I recall correctly Nathan Kim did a review on it, and I hope that's not the reason behind the price. 550+ usd for a basic design with no real flavor and standard materials, all for a TKL is a damn lot.

If he ran it in Korea already I wonder how many people joined in.

That's a big nope for me.

GB price in Korea was $550 as well.

52 Korean participants, and ~6 intl participants.

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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 09:07:17 »
Interested

Offline ReDsNoTDeAd

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 09:39:29 »
The update is much more professional! Pics look great.

Offline ebureto

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:28:51 »
Yes Please!

Offline Sshimosawa

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 03:51:23 »
+1

Offline theillumedpanda

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Re: [IC] SALAMANDER
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:08:12 »
If the price was lower, itd definitely be a keyboard Id buy.