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« on: Tue, 03 September 2013, 09:57:42 »
GEECKERS IS CLOSED UNTIL 11/15. sorry folks. real life fire, needs to be put out. will take some time. look forward to new stuff when i get back.


http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48030.msg1082667#msg1082667





HELLO GEEKHACKERS,

I HAVE MADE A STORE FOR YOU.  IT IS A TOTAL MESS RIGHT NOW I APOLOGIZE

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

I actually stock a lot more than the below now. rather than continually edit the OP, what i'm going to spend today doing is rebuilding the geeckers makerbot THEN i'm going to take a look at some code and get a prototype real e-commerce storefront up. sorry it's taken so long dudes and dudettes. and a gigantic HUGE HUGE THANKS to everyone that has ordered so far. you've ordered a at least 1kg of krytox GPL206, collectively, which is freaking impressive to dupont, and most of the suppliers i work with have been blown away at the stuff you do with their products.

looking forward to the future!
-kawa!

I CURRENTLY STOCK:

1) KRYTOX LUBE KIT

~8g Krytox GPL 206 grease
~17g Krytox VPF 1506 oil
various sundries for applying the grease and oil to things.

PRICE! 16$ USD

33940-0

package also comes with instructions on how to use the lube in a very general way, and how not to get it all over your everything. Also, I've gone ahead and assumed you will get it on everything, so the instructions tell you how to get it off.

2) ID INNOVATIONS MULTIMODE USB ADAPTER

This is both a ps2 keyboard to USB adapter that handles high current, reconnection on fault, and various other cool things, AND with a change of firmware can be used as a serial COM port to USB device in windows. More details here: http://www.idinnovations.com/usb%20adaptors.html

These can be used to adapt model Ms and other old keyboards to USB, or to communicate with generic serial devices. A nice combo!

NOTE: DOES NOT WORK WITH THE PS2AVR BOARD PRODUCED BY OTD.kr

PRICE! 12$ USD

33942-1

I STOCK A LOT MORE STUFF BUT YOU HAVE TO GREP THROUGH THE THREAD TO FIND OUT WHAT I STOCK I'M SORRY :(

At this point, I will ship to more or less anywhere in the world. If I have a reservation about sending you chemicals, I will tell you and we will work it out 1-1. To order, please PM me:

your name
your shipping address
your paypal email address
IF YOU ARE INTERNATIONAL: your phone number (for customs)

I will send you a money request asap, which you will pay. Then, I will send you product. Pretty cool!

NOTE: domestic shipping is typically in the 2 dollar range and tends to max out at 4-5$ if you go really crazy. international shipping is via USPS first class unless there are complications, and is generally 10$. if it is substantially more, i will let you know. (this has happened exactly once)

-GUCHI


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« Last Edit: Fri, 18 October 2013, 23:48:01 by mkawa »

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:15:08 »
Nice! Me thinks me might get some lube. 
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:19:58 »
Cool!

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:24:59 »
lube

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:26:46 »
oooo im looking forward to getting my lube
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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 06 September 2013, 01:27:08 »
These are the best usb ps2 adapters that I have ever used. I'm glad they are available again!

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 06 September 2013, 08:54:51 »
Lube kit arrived yesterday.  I read the MSDS, now I'm afraid to unwrap the lube kit...

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 06 September 2013, 18:59:42 »
Got my lube kit today! Now I need to figure out how to lube these switches, haha. I found a video from WFD on YouTube, is that the preferred method? (With a paintbrush)
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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 06 September 2013, 20:25:07 »
Lube kit arrived yesterday.  I read the MSDS, now I'm afraid to unwrap the lube kit...

 :p
the msds says it's the least toxic thing ever. they had to force feed some poor rabbit 3 times its weight in krytox and NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE RABBIT


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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 06 September 2013, 22:48:29 »
Lube kit arrived yesterday.  I read the MSDS, now I'm afraid to unwrap the lube kit...

 :p
the msds says it's the least toxic thing ever. they had to force feed some poor rabbit 3 times its weight in krytox and NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE RABBIT
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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 06 September 2013, 22:59:12 »
Lube kit arrived yesterday.  I read the MSDS, now I'm afraid to unwrap the lube kit...

 :p
the msds says it's the least toxic thing ever. they had to force feed some poor rabbit 3 times its weight in krytox and NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE RABBIT
And thats how Bunnylake was created

Classic, so was it adapted from BunnyLube?
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 07 September 2013, 05:44:54 »
got the package yesterday. and i like reading your instructions.  :p
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 07 September 2013, 06:28:17 »
Lube kit arrived yesterday.  I read the MSDS, now I'm afraid to unwrap the lube kit...

 :p
the msds says it's the least toxic thing ever. they had to force feed some poor rabbit 3 times its weight in krytox and NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE RABBIT
And thats how Bunnylake was created

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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 07 September 2013, 10:20:16 »
ahahaha

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 11:06:13 »
today is a particularly good day to get your order in. i'm home all day and your order will go out same day guaranteed (assuming you pay me ;))

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 11:39:39 »
Awesome that I paid today then! 

Thanks again mate

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 12:02:02 »
i have a bag that will go out before 1:30 (1st pickup) and can prep another bag that will go out before 5pm (last pickup for the day). this is all PST time. get your orders in folks!

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 12 September 2013, 14:02:56 »
I got my lube today. That was fast. Thanks!

The vials were a bit oily on the outside though. Do have tissues ready when opening the package.
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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 12 September 2013, 14:07:00 »
sadly the post service hates me sir, still no sign from this uk guinea pig, nothing you can do i know just keeping you up to date
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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 12 September 2013, 20:09:00 »
I'm waiting on my shipment as well.

The postal service here is slow among other things.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:06:56 »
heads up! i will be vending CM STORM QFR TOP CASES, limit 4 per user, international shipping A-OK. I will have limited stock, so internationals will take priority.

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:27:14 »
What's the price each and how much shipping to Canada?
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:39:48 »
Is the lube kit designed to be mixed one to one?

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:42:16 »
the dupont rep suggested to start at 1.3:1 up to 2:1. he didn't think there would be much a performance difference after that. the grease is mostly there to keep the oil in place, remember.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:44:08 »
Sorry, I meant one to one in relation to what you have on offer. Like, I should mix everything together in one batch.

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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:05:46 »
Got my lube kit today  :thumb:


One thing.. I wasn't exactly expecting the small vials to have a ton of lube on the outside of them.. Let's just say it was really difficult trying to get the lube off of them and off my hands.  :p

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:13:56 »
"Sweet my lube came in! No, mom, it's for my keyboard, I swear!"
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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 15 September 2013, 05:41:27 »
I bought the beta kit and am just now getting ready to use it. Question: I think in your instructions you mentioned that it is very difficult to mix these two substances, so I'm going to try a variation on the spray-paint can: I'm going to dump some of the oil and the grease into a container, toss in a couple of ball bearings and just go nuts.

Question: I want to mix it in the container from which it will be dispensed. Any particular concerns about the type of plastic? I mean is there anything I should not use? Anything I should prefer?



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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 15 September 2013, 09:15:07 »
both the grease and oil are completely inert. so the container type doesn't matter. it won't react with anything you put it in, and it hates pretty much every substance that is not it, so it won't cake up on anything you put it in.

and yep, the ball bearing method will be an excellent way to get a really good mix.

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 17 September 2013, 23:33:46 »
i liked this ball bearing method so much i stole it (yes yes, old school i know), but used ptfe balls instead of metal bearings -- less likely to smash the container open, and well, i could. *shrug*. oh my god. nerd chills. so... much.. viscosity control..

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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 17 September 2013, 23:36:46 »
CURRENTLY IN STOCK:

krytox lube kits
ps2 to usb multimode keyboard/serial adapters

COMING INTO STOCK (in inventory but not for sale yet):

CM Storm Quickfire Rapid Top Cases
Kester 44 63/37 0.020" RA flux cored

COMING SOONISH:

GH edition Edsyn Soldapullts (NOT LIMITED EDITION, YES TO FLUORINE AUGMENTATION)
Krytox Lube Application Deluxe Kits
Edsyn Soldapullt Rebuild kits (w/ fluorinated goodness!)

ON THE HORIZON (although possibly sooner rather than later. i'm scrambling around to finish these up):

GH edition Panavise 301 workholders (LIMITED EDITION)

WAY OFF (may or may not happen):

The Edsyn/GH "learn to solder" soldering pencil


What's that? Storefront? Store.... Front? oh, right. uuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
« Last Edit: Sat, 21 September 2013, 17:57:30 by mkawa »

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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 02:37:28 »
I just got my lube!  Thanks mkawa!

I had to pay PHP400 (US$9.19) for duties and taxes and the PHP50 (US$1.15) inspection fee.

The packaging did OK.  Everything is intact:

Note: this was intentionally shipped without any syringes and/or needles

The love juice oil spilled just a little bit inside the ziplock bag.  The blue line marks the level of the oil in the tube:


Maybe a little tape around the top of the cap before shipping would prevent leaks?
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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 03:16:29 »
the right hand side is a full vial. the left side is a little under tolerance, and probably represents a spill of a gram or two of material. this oil is almost impossible to fully contain. what you're seeing is that it leaked through a snap-fit vial, then seven or 8 layers of pressure from stretch wrap. Tape would do nothing. i could weld the vials shut with glue, but then you would have to cut them open, which most likely means that customs would cut them open for fun and then charge you for it.

that said, i'm quite annoyed that grease made it out. i suspect that what happened in this and in another SE asian test customer I was talking to, customs either pried at the containers then gave up, or actually sat and unwrapped the things, sniffed a bit, laughed at the heart stickers and then wrapped them up again. this was fortunately my intention. i'd rather you be missing 1g or 2g than not get the package at all and get thrown in jail for importing dangerous *.

i suspect more heart stickers will be needed to fully solve this problem.

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 03:39:08 »
i suspect more heart stickers will be needed to fully solve this problem.

You know who to contact ;)

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 03:58:01 »
the right hand side is a full vial. the left side is a little under tolerance, and probably represents a spill of a gram or two of material. this oil is almost impossible to fully contain. what you're seeing is that it leaked through a snap-fit vial, then seven or 8 layers of pressure from stretch wrap. Tape would do nothing. i could weld the vials shut with glue, but then you would have to cut them open, which most likely means that customs would cut them open for fun and then charge you for it.

that said, i'm quite annoyed that grease made it out. i suspect that what happened in this and in another SE asian test customer I was talking to, customs either pried at the containers then gave up, or actually sat and unwrapped the things, sniffed a bit, laughed at the heart stickers and then wrapped them up again. this was fortunately my intention. i'd rather you be missing 1g or 2g than not get the package at all and get thrown in jail for importing dangerous *.

i suspect more heart stickers will be needed to fully solve this problem.

Honestly I was expecting much much more spillage given how the postal service here is medieval.

Grease made it out? I'll take a closer look later. Had an audit at work today...or it might be my crappy photo. Haha

My package was not opened by customs but they charged me an inspection fee anyway. They just based the assessment on the attached invoice.

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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 04:01:21 »
the right hand side is a full vial. the left side is a little under tolerance, and probably represents a spill of a gram or two of material. this oil is almost impossible to fully contain. what you're seeing is that it leaked through a snap-fit vial, then seven or 8 layers of pressure from stretch wrap. Tape would do nothing. i could weld the vials shut with glue, but then you would have to cut them open, which most likely means that customs would cut them open for fun and then charge you for it.

that said, i'm quite annoyed that grease made it out. i suspect that what happened in this and in another SE asian test customer I was talking to, customs either pried at the containers then gave up, or actually sat and unwrapped the things, sniffed a bit, laughed at the heart stickers and then wrapped them up again. this was fortunately my intention. i'd rather you be missing 1g or 2g than not get the package at all and get thrown in jail for importing dangerous *.

i suspect more heart stickers will be needed to fully solve this problem.

ROTFLMAO!!! MKAWA!! U Absolutely ROCK!! Love your creative problem solving technique!! Very, very effective, I'd wager.

"I suspect more heart stickers will be needed to full solve this problem."

LOL.

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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 04:04:17 »
the right hand side is a full vial. the left side is a little under tolerance, and probably represents a spill of a gram or two of material. this oil is almost impossible to fully contain. what you're seeing is that it leaked through a snap-fit vial, then seven or 8 layers of pressure from stretch wrap. Tape would do nothing. i could weld the vials shut with glue, but then you would have to cut them open, which most likely means that customs would cut them open for fun and then charge you for it.

that said, i'm quite annoyed that grease made it out. i suspect that what happened in this and in another SE asian test customer I was talking to, customs either pried at the containers then gave up, or actually sat and unwrapped the things, sniffed a bit, laughed at the heart stickers and then wrapped them up again. this was fortunately my intention. i'd rather you be missing 1g or 2g than not get the package at all and get thrown in jail for importing dangerous *.

i suspect more heart stickers will be needed to fully solve this problem.

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"I suspect more heart stickers will be needed to full solve this problem."

LOL.

I was thinking glitter, but then I realized that glitter is too closely associated with Rave & Drug culture.

When I got mine, the first thing I was thinking was some kind of plastic bottle with a screw cap and some kind of gasket: let customs open and close with ease, but I can't imagine that any pressure fit is going to contain the oil. And the grease... is it so slippery that it can creep right through the pressure fit by osmotic action?


Also... I'm probably going to need another kit soon. If you care to find some small screw-top containers to ship it in I'll gladly beta that packing protocol for ya.
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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 06:10:44 »
screw top containers are much more expensive than the vials by a factor of 2 or 3. these vials are surprisingly expensive actually (for being such crap). what i have packed is the last i'll be packing in the small vials (where you get ~9g per vial). the next run of oil packing will be into vials that are twice the size, but do have the same flip top. i'll play around with a couple thinks (punching the top through teflon tape comes to mind). the problem is that screw tops are expensive (dat mold), and the pop tops like the ones i pack the grease in are the only other option at the disposable price point and they are going to leak like crazy. i suspect slight deformations of the container (killing the seal at the top for a moment) are to blame, but i can't fill that gap permanently or customs will think  i'm trying to ship drugs, and there are few temporary methods that aren't one-use (i've thought about hot gluing them more than once, but in an inspection, the frustration at tearing the hot glue off would probably end up with the substance everywhere and then it's all bad).

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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 08:59:58 »
If you don't mind the question, what is your cost per vial right now?

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 09:57:21 »
0.1USD per vial. The screw-top bottles that limmy used were 1USD per bottle, and in order to keep them from leaking he had to add: teflon tape, and a luer lock cap, for a total cost per bottle of about 1.50USD. I have many more of my current stock of microvials to go through, and i'm not convinced that it's the fault of the vials in some of these cases (i have been doing a kind of root cause analysis anytime a customer comes to me with a significant amount of lost fluid). One package to thailand was clearly opened and (that being the worst case), about half the lubricant went off into the never never. One domestic package had a vial get completely smashed. One of my first packages (beforei learned to use the shrink wrap to apply significant pressure to the cap) popped open and one (out of 6) vials emptied itself into the packaging material (i was not using plastic bags at the time).

every time i see a significant case of leakage i refine my packing procedures. at the moment i'm down to about a 5% fault rate, with no major faults except for the thai customer in the last two weeks.

Although it would be great if I could source nalgene scientific bottles for all my materials, the fact is that the cost of the bottle would quickly start overtaking the cost of the material. I can currently beat every other small-quantity source of this material by a factor of three because i have though extremely hard about how to reduce fixed costs without sacrificing material or packaging integrity. the latter is the hardest, but at this rate, my feeling is that by the time the store actually launches, i will be in the very low < 1% fault rate thanks to everyone helping me debug my procedures. also, except for internationals, it's generally trivial for me to just send out a replacement package. for internationals, there are one (maybe two?) IOUs outstanding who will get some extra well packed oil with their next order.

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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:55:28 »
Couple of ideas:

I would have gladly have paid more to have had better containers (better = dry at arrival + useful for mixing and storing the oil and grease + convenient "well" for syringe/brush applications).

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 16:24:30 »
you have to be realistic in what a fancier container will get you. my packaging system is necessarily ad hoc. i use a series of hand operated syringes, some of which i've designed and machined myself using hand tools. there are trace amounts of grease and oil _everywhere_. it's impossible to dissolve this material, so all you can do is move it around. i do my best to move it onto microfiber cloths, which i then toss or use to clean the bathroom, etc. but i don't have a clean room, a series of air powered dispensers and the other fanciness that they're charging you for when dupont sells you small amounts of this material. if you want a dry microvial to leave my apartment, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than a buck a pack in raw costs because _nothing_ is dry on my dispensing mat, and the cheapest air powered dispensing setup is 1600$, can't handle the viscosity of NLGI 2 grease, and requires a compressor (+3-500$). the warehouse-sized version that the factory uses probably cost several million dollars.

I can sell for hobbyist prices because I bought an icing dispensing for cakes, sandpaper, a rotary tool and other cleverness and turned it into the krytoxapullt. then, i bought a 5$ set of steel large gauge needles and a heater core i had lying around and designed a luer lock needle that can reach 100C to thin the grease on its way into a container and is temperature controlled by the absolute total charge contained in a set of AA batteries.

what i could do is assemble an add-on pack for mixing and dispensing. this is totally possible. it would cost as much as the lube itself, if not more, but you only buy it once and it comes with an extremely high quality set of mixing bottles, luer lock accessories and dispensers. also, ptfe balls (Ooooh yah). this is a cool idea that's totally possible. but i'm not going to double or triple the cost of every single kit so that you don't have to wipe your hands off when you touch the containers it comes in (hint: you will still have to wipe your hands off when you touch your dispensary bottles. this stuff gets _everywhere_. don't say you weren't warned! :)) ).

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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 21:18:18 »
LOL. Roger that mkawa. You've convinced me of the silliness of most of my suggestions. You have my interest piqued about the mixing gear. PTFE balls? WHAT??!! :))

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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 23:00:28 »
no beta needed man. i'm using them already. soooo niceee

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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 00:33:47 »
the right hand side is a full vial. the left side is a little under tolerance, and probably represents a spill of a gram or two of material. this oil is almost impossible to fully contain. what you're seeing is that it leaked through a snap-fit vial, then seven or 8 layers of pressure from stretch wrap. Tape would do nothing. i could weld the vials shut with glue, but then you would have to cut them open, which most likely means that customs would cut them open for fun and then charge you for it.

that said, i'm quite annoyed that grease made it out. i suspect that what happened in this and in another SE asian test customer I was talking to, customs either pried at the containers then gave up, or actually sat and unwrapped the things, sniffed a bit, laughed at the heart stickers and then wrapped them up again. this was fortunately my intention. i'd rather you be missing 1g or 2g than not get the package at all and get thrown in jail for importing dangerous *.

i suspect more heart stickers will be needed to fully solve this problem.

Honestly I was expecting much much more spillage given how the postal service here is medieval.

Grease made it out? I'll take a closer look later. Had an audit at work today...or it might be my crappy photo. Haha

My package was not opened by customs but they charged me an inspection fee anyway. They just based the assessment on the attached invoice.
Double-checked the grease and it didn't spill.  Some of the grease seems to have shifted to the top of the container in transit.  It touches the top of the cover but it did not spill out.









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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 09:07:47 »
awesome! the grease slowly moves around like a slug. just manhandle it to get it where you need it to go :D

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 08:25:27 »
What's shipping prices?

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 10:03:01 »
international shipping is _basically_ a flat 10$. if your order is particularly large it will go up a bit. but i have something very to cool to announce on that front: basically, due to a very generous donation from CM storm, instead of paying 10$ just to ship, I will waive your shipping charges if you purchase a donated CM storm qfr case top with your order :D

they are in stock but i am waiting on mailers for them. i'll have the updated stock list up *soon*

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 22:44:53 »
Received my lube kit. Oil had leaked a bit, but not much. Thanks!

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 23 September 2013, 10:37:04 »
What color are the QFR cases and how much is shipping in the US?  Thanks
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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 23 September 2013, 13:15:30 »
oh ****. this needs a spotlight on it. what has me excited is this Edsyn partnership/vendor thing.  what is a edsyn soldapullt rebuild kit? is this some sort or replacement for the plastic tips on the edsyn soldapullts? that would be amazing as that is exactly what i am looking for.

i mean the melted plastic on the tip doesnt really effect the functionality of the solder sucker. it still works like a charm it is just straight jacked up yo.

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« Reply #51 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 01:20:22 »
the qfr cases are available domestically directly from the CM store at cost. i will only be selling them to international customers and only because the cm store is unable to serve those customers. please see http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47471.0 for how to order the cases at the geekhack discount directly from coolermaster.

i'm still working things out with edsyn. there will be rebuild kits that will consider of a small amount of premixed krytox, a fluorinated elastomer o-ring and a new ptfe tip in either black or blue and white. there will also be full soldapult ds017 units with the fluorinated bits already installed. both items will come will come branded in some way that is currently TBD. i'm currently leaning toward stickers that are either pre-applied or packaged with the item, depending on how complicated the stickers end up being. in the long run, our collaboration with edsyn will hopefully produce a lot more personalization options. however, we are still in the early stages of this, and there are various documents to sign and money to pull out of the couch to make all this happen.

oh, and the benefit of the fluorinated polymers used in my version of the rebuild kit (note that edsyn does sell its own rebuild kit) is that the NO HEAT OR SOLVENTS warning on the barrel will no longer apply. i have been testing the crap out of my upgraded unit as i tune the sizing and various other variables and i can do some pretty darn cool stuff with the prototype gh soldapullt. for example, i can literally suck in flux fumes at full temp along with molten eutectic solder and not have it cause leakage or degradation of the unit. i can literally get my prototype to hold vacuum as long as i've tested. it does not leak at all in any way, basically, even with use (the edsyn o-ring and grease, while inexpensive, _will_ leak after a moderate amount of use). i'm not completely sure my prototype produces better end to end performance yet (i am actually bringing it in for some comprehensive tests tomorrow), but i will not sell my units until i am sure they are an upgrade from the standard edsyn unit.
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« Reply #52 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 06:06:54 »
^^ sounds like edsyn may want to implement your changes in their design ;)

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« Reply #53 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:17:55 »
this is something we've talked about, and the issue is that my fluorinated upgrades cost several orders of magnitude more than their standard equipment. imo it's worth it for the demanding geekhack crowd, but they would have to significantly change their stocking and manufacturing practices for it and don't see the value for the average user.

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« Reply #54 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:19:14 »
Need rebuild kit...liek nao. ;)
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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:21:13 »
meeting today. i think we're going to spend about 90% of the meeting frying random things with the welder but we'll sign the docs and get our ducks in a row so to get stock in asap

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:43:09 »
meeting today. i think we're going to spend about 90% of the meeting frying random things with the welder but we'll sign the docs and get our ducks in a row so to get stock in asap

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:30:52 »
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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:34:12 »
speaking of ducks, i completely forgot that i will be getting thick PBT dyesub geekhack monthly keys (yes, the hiatus is ending!) and the spacebars (with like 1/3 upside down because girlshark and jocklyn -- new nickname yaaaa are crazy!) soonish

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:35:57 »
MONTHLY geekhack keys!!I am so new here.  :o

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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 23:25:49 »
MONTHLY geekhack keys!!I am so new here.  :o

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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 23:35:52 »
Monthly GH key. Needs moar demik.
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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 06:55:03 »
Monthly GH key. Needs moar demik.

I dug through the anals of geekhack to realize I missed all the good times of buying geekhack keys every month is the most wonderful colors :(

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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 11:22:11 »
Yes to lube kits, soldapullts and QFR cases!!! And hell yes to free shipping!! You're amazing.

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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 11:45:58 »
Monthly GH key. Needs moar demik.
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« Reply #65 on: Sat, 28 September 2013, 13:15:14 »
How much are the rebuild kits going to be? and whats included in the kit? o.o
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« Reply #66 on: Sat, 28 September 2013, 13:43:12 »
the qfr cases are available domestically directly from the CM store at cost. i will only be selling them to international customers and only because the cm store is unable to serve those customers. please see http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47471.0 for how to order the cases at the geekhack discount directly from coolermaster.

i'm still working things out with edsyn. there will be rebuild kits that will consider of a small amount of premixed krytox, a fluorinated elastomer o-ring and a new ptfe tip in either black or blue and white. there will also be full soldapult ds017 units with the fluorinated bits already installed. both items will come will come branded in some way that is currently TBD. i'm currently leaning toward stickers that are either pre-applied or packaged with the item, depending on how complicated the stickers end up being. in the long run, our collaboration with edsyn will hopefully produce a lot more personalization options. however, we are still in the early stages of this, and there are various documents to sign and money to pull out of the couch to make all this happen.

oh, and the benefit of the fluorinated polymers used in my version of the rebuild kit (note that edsyn does sell its own rebuild kit) is that the NO HEAT OR SOLVENTS warning on the barrel will no longer apply. i have been testing the crap out of my upgraded unit as i tune the sizing and various other variables and i can do some pretty darn cool stuff with the prototype gh soldapullt. for example, i can literally suck in flux fumes at full temp along with molten eutectic solder and not have it cause leakage or degradation of the unit. i can literally get my prototype to hold vacuum as long as i've tested. it does not leak at all in any way, basically, even with use (the edsyn o-ring and grease, while inexpensive, _will_ leak after a moderate amount of use). i'm not completely sure my prototype produces better end to end performance yet (i am actually bringing it in for some comprehensive tests tomorrow), but i will not sell my units until i am sure they are an upgrade from the standard edsyn unit.

See the above post. Not sure of cost.

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« Reply #67 on: Sat, 28 September 2013, 13:46:45 »
the qfr cases are available domestically directly from the CM store at cost. i will only be selling them to international customers and only because the cm store is unable to serve those customers. please see http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47471.0 for how to order the cases at the geekhack discount directly from coolermaster.

i'm still working things out with edsyn. there will be rebuild kits that will consider of a small amount of premixed krytox, a fluorinated elastomer o-ring and a new ptfe tip in either black or blue and white. there will also be full soldapult ds017 units with the fluorinated bits already installed. both items will come will come branded in some way that is currently TBD. i'm currently leaning toward stickers that are either pre-applied or packaged with the item, depending on how complicated the stickers end up being. in the long run, our collaboration with edsyn will hopefully produce a lot more personalization options. however, we are still in the early stages of this, and there are various documents to sign and money to pull out of the couch to make all this happen.

oh, and the benefit of the fluorinated polymers used in my version of the rebuild kit (note that edsyn does sell its own rebuild kit) is that the NO HEAT OR SOLVENTS warning on the barrel will no longer apply. i have been testing the crap out of my upgraded unit as i tune the sizing and various other variables and i can do some pretty darn cool stuff with the prototype gh soldapullt. for example, i can literally suck in flux fumes at full temp along with molten eutectic solder and not have it cause leakage or degradation of the unit. i can literally get my prototype to hold vacuum as long as i've tested. it does not leak at all in any way, basically, even with use (the edsyn o-ring and grease, while inexpensive, _will_ leak after a moderate amount of use). i'm not completely sure my prototype produces better end to end performance yet (i am actually bringing it in for some comprehensive tests tomorrow), but i will not sell my units until i am sure they are an upgrade from the standard edsyn unit.

See the above post. Not sure of cost.

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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 00:19:34 »
some status updates:

1) leakproof PP bottle and PTFE bearing-based mix and dispense packs are in the supply chain and should be assembled and in stock in october

2) i am heavily considering rigging my own poly tube vacuum sealer using recent donations to improve everyone's packaging experience. this would be an alternative to attempting to buy new manufacturing tooling for geekhackers.

3) the learn-to-solder iron is basically an edsyn CL1481 http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=CL1481. i would get these set and calibrated at the factory to regulate to a little over 350C (ie, a perfect temperature for processing kester 44). this package would come with two tips: a medium general purpose tip equivalent to the popular D16 hakko tip and a large tip equivalent to the popular hakko D32. The benefit of this iron is that it would be: hopefully about half the cost of a hakko 888, absolutely foolproof and temperature calibrated out of the box, and, having carefully examined it, i actually really like the design over the hakko 888. i would dare to say that the pencil itself is higher quality than the 888D's pencil, and it's impossible to miscalibrate, and difficult to burn things up by accident with this iron. i could also make genuine, high quality tips available for very low cost.

4) deciding how to package solder. the edsyn TW108 is one option http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=TW108. it is a solder spool encased in a dispenser that can also simultaneously hold and dispense desoldering wick. i would sell kester 44 pre-rolled and ready to dispense in this packaging. it's a great no-fuss way to start dealing with both solder and wick. another alternative (the one i was originally preparing for) was a 3d printed spool of my own design, set up for fit the half-built spooler i'm constructing. i will be demoing a tw108 myself with a cl1481 next week as a means of deciding how to deal with this. the tw108 is attractive for a few reasons. first, it is quite obviously sturdier than anything the bot can make, it also dispenses wick and protects the user's hand from heat running down the solder spool or wick spool, and finally, it doesn't require the makerbot to be working, which has frankly been a problem lately.

5) soldapullts with upgrades are in the supply chain

6) sticker surprises :D

my rough schedule is:

i. soldapullts, soldapullt rebuild kits, and qfr tops. beta solder kits (hand rolled). eta 2 wks

ii. geekhackers.org permanent store goes up to many huzzahs. eta 4wks

iii. gh edition fixed temperature learn to solder station goes up for sale in limited quantities eta 6wks

iv. packaging and other fulfillment improvements. eta 8-12wks, although krytox packaging can be improved within a week if we get good consensus in the geeckers tooling thread. http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49024.0
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« Reply #69 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 00:26:40 »
i guess the only other thing i have to report is that, although i at first bristled at the thought of having to launch as a forum thread and taking orders via PM (i am a computer scientist, and i failed to automate something?!?! so shameful..), i'm enjoying talking with the awesome geekhackers community so much that i don't think i'll ever stop taking orders via PM (although of course the site will launch for complex order logic, quick turnarounds, better record keeping et&c.

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« Reply #70 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 03:07:01 »
Appreciate all the work your putting into this adventure!

Do you know if anyone has used your lube kit to lube a topre board?
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« Reply #71 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 03:15:50 »
Appreciate all the work your polluting into thus adventure!

Do you know if anyone had used your lube kit to lube a topre board?

Don't know if you meant to say "putting into this adventure" but what you did type was funny :))
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« Reply #72 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 03:17:34 »
Appreciate all the work your polluting into thus adventure!

Do you know if anyone had used your lube kit to lube a topre board?

Don't know if you meant to say "putting into this adventure" but what you did type was funny :))

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« Reply #73 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 04:16:52 »
Went to the hobby store and picked up a kit that consists of 5 1/2oz glass jars and three pipettes (Testor). Pushed the krytox grease and oil into one of the jars accordingly by weight to get a 1.7:1 oil:grease ratio and then added a very clean bolt to mix: no ball bearings around = :(. Result is a very very thorough mix of the two.

The set cost me 8.49 at the store, but I just found it on amazon for 5.81:

http://www.amazon.com/Testor-Corp-50625-Mixing-Pipette/dp/B0006MZOQC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380446153&sr=8-1&keywords=testor+paint+mixing+set

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P.S. make sure that whatever you put in that jar to mix the oil and grease is very, very clean.

I'll also say: if you take your time, use gloves, prepare your area so that everything is covered and approach this from a "everything is a one time use" deal you can manage the result wonderfully: I got no oil/grease anywhere but in the glass jar. Also... once you secure the lid on these jars, you can shake away: I don't know if they would hold up in a shipping environment, but for my purposes, I shook the sh*t out of them and didn't get a drop of o/g anywhere outside the bottle (makes sense I guess... these things are intended for mixing paints so they ought to be somewhat fluid tight).
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« Reply #74 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 04:19:23 »
^ That's exactly what I'm after but I'm in the UK... At least that's given me something to go on - thanks :D
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« Reply #75 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 08:06:06 »
Exciting stuff kawa ahd great news!

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« Reply #76 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 08:50:56 »
Nice stuff kawa! You "almost" make me regret buying my Hakko 888D  :p
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« Reply #77 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 09:22:17 »
Appreciate all the work your putting into this adventure!

Do you know if anyone has used your lube kit to lube a topre board?

i've played around with using 206 on a topre keychain. it actually makes a huge difference, especially because the type heavens come unlubed - the realforces have silicone grease from the factory. you want a really really weird mix compared to cherry switches though. you basically want like a tiny tiny bit of 1506 against a huge huge amount of 206. something ridiculous like 20 parts 206 to one part 1506. the basic idea is that the 1506 helps keep the seal between the mat and the pcb fairly airtight, but what really makes a difference, and the reason why they use silicone lube on the realforces, is that you actually want something really thick around the stem to help stabilize the stem (almost like an MX switch sticker) and to help make a better gas-tight-ish seal at the stem. the silicone grease they use migrates quite a bit and hence has a fairly limited lifespan. this is one of the major reasons why used topre boards will measure significantly different on actuation force than brand new ones. the rubber mat is very possibly a fluorinated FKM and extremely stable, but the stem assembly is not nearly the same, otherwise it wouldn't even need to be lubed. as such, it's subject to much larger tolerances that the grease can help by filling in.

as far as the mixing and dispensing kit is concerned, the tentative BOM is:

nalgene PP leakproof sample containers, 125ml
package of ptfe bearings. why ptfe? extremely easy to clean without solvents or other potential contaminants, and if the ptfe balls shed any material, it will happily mix in with the 206, which IS ptfe + pfpe oil
luer lock dispenser bottles, 1oz. you may know these from such hits as "limmy's krytox buy". they are not good mixing containers because they leak like crazy
more luer lock 5ml syringes
14ga large bore steel needle for fillling syringes and/or dispenser bottles with your mix
a selection of small gauge flexible needles for applying grease. in practice i've found that the 27ga steel needles bend so much that i'm just going to start buying the flexible 25ga needles instead
one thing i've been keeping an eye on is the possibility of getting some taper tips as well. i personally don't like them, but if your mix ratio is as above (0.1:25 or something insane like that), none of the small bore needles are going to help you dispense. you may need a very large bore taper tip.

very likely the dispenser kit will evolve as people work with it. that said, the foundation will always be a nice leakproof shatterproof bottle (either nalgene scientific or chemware, always) and ptfe bearings for agitation.

nothing wrong with an 888d. i use one and will continue to use one for low power work as long as it holds up (which will be forever, frankly). that said, it's not the best iron for a brand new solderer, frankly. the higher power is great because it lets you get away with soldering incorrectly, using tips that are smaller than you should be using or just kind of jabbing things with it to solder when you're feeling lazy. it's also great if you own like a grand in temp measurement equipment and can calibrate it yourself. there are myriad things i don't like about it for newbie use though. the heating element is exposed for one and i can't even remember the number of times i've gone to change a tip and ended up burning myself on the thing; the ceramic also requires regular cleaning with strong solvents. it's also possible and not that hard to mis or de-calibrate because the UI is so primitive.

and then there are the little things. you have a wet cleaning pad and a dry cleaning pad on the same stand. this is great for me because i know when to use which. it's terrible for a new user. what the heck is a new user supposed to do with this setup? they're going to end up thermally shocking the heater on the wet pad when they don't need to, and getting huge globs of solder into the dry cleaner, which destroys the dry cleaner quickly. there's also the fact that it's frankly a heck of a lot bulkier than it needs to be for a single alloy iron, and there are so many tips offered that half the questions in the soldering thread are "i just got a hakko what the heck do i put on it?!?".

finally, it's a pretty big investment, especially for international users, and everyone else who has to navigate their way through the usual hakko maze of "is it actually genuine? did it actually pass QC?", not just for the iron, but for the tips, and every other part involved.

for me and many of the other experienced users on this site, everything i mentioned above is ezpz. but what i do is remember myself using my first tandy 25w pencil and the crap conical tip it came with and burning the crap out of literally everything. i remember using a hot air gun and gravity to desolder full boards at once and then just replacing all the ICs, because none of them would work after hitting those temps. i remember all the stupid crap i did because i didn't have any guidance, and i want to do what i can to help make the road a bit easier for other people who approach this and other hobbies with a bit less of a devil-may-care attitude than i was a kid, and get them up to speed as quickly as possible.
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« Reply #78 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 18:53:05 »
what if your lubing just the topre sliders?

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« Reply #79 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 19:01:48 »
oh well, I know I will end up messing up some things. I watched some soldering tutorial videos and they make it looks easy. It was the same with straight razor shaving videos and let me tell ya that it's FAR from as easy as it looks when done by someone that has done it thousands of times.

But in the end, you gotta do it to learn it. And I admit it's nice if you can make it easier for a lot of us! Thx a lot for doing this!  :thumb:
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« Reply #80 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 23:28:05 »
what if your lubing just the topre sliders?
yep, i just put a very viscous but thin ring blob thingamajig around the topre sliders. this is more or less how the realforces come from the factory too, but with krytox forever-grease 206 instead of whatever silicone lube they're using.

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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 23:30:23 »
it's a mechanical skill really. like any other mechanical skill it needs a modicum of understanding (a little intuitive thermodynamics) and a lot of practice practice practice. you'll burn some stuff up. if you're 15 year old me, you'll burn a LOT of stuff up. but that's ok, it's just stuff. that first board that comes out just right will make it all worth it :)

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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:47:57 »
folks,

i'm home today because i missed my traffic window to get to the office. i also have a whole bunch of stuff which is NOT ready to go out on masse but i could do one-off off-catalogue orders of. i have lube, some new dispensing equipment, a big box full of soldapullts, upgrade kits for those soldapullts, and QFR topcases. if you response time is fast enough to get everything squared away, paid and shipped today, i can build up what you need and get it off to you. Just send me a PM with what you're looking for and I'll give you a quote and start building up whatever needs to be built.

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« Reply #83 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 16:49:28 »
Are the soldapullts the GH ones?

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« Reply #84 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:06:05 »
they can be fluorinated but no fancy GH stickers yet :(

however, you do get to choose any combination of black and blue components.

i have exactly 7 9 total fluorination kits available, including rebuild kits and brand new units. jdcarpe just ordered 3 of those, so there are 4 6 left today. i'll have more later this week. the branding probably won't happen for a little while as i've been working on the art for it, but i will make a large run of stickers once i do make them, and the stickers will be available separately. if you need to desolder things, just order a soldapullt today.
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« Reply #85 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:10:57 »
Could you possibly take pictures of the parts for those of us not in the know, to better aid in compiling a unit of certain color combinations?

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« Reply #86 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:53:11 »
in the short-term, if jd is ok with it, i will take pictures of his score before i send it out. real product shots are on the todo today. i'm hoping to get the tent set up completely and get usable shots for everything today.

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« Reply #87 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 18:05:19 »
in the short-term, if jd is ok with it, i will take pictures of his score before i send it out. real product shots are on the todo today. i'm hoping to get the tent set up completely and get usable shots for everything today.

That would be fine by me. I would like to see what I'm getting. :)
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« Reply #88 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 18:26:51 »
bam!


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« Reply #89 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 19:22:29 »
The heart stickers finally reveal themselves, LOL
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« Reply #90 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 19:26:47 »
Do you have the solder yet?

I would like a soldapult, but I also need solder and I would prefer saving on shipping to Canada and get both at the same time so if you don't have the solder ready yet I'll be patient (or try) and wait!  :-X
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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 20:10:25 »
The heart stickers finally reveal themselves, LOL
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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 20:13:34 »
Do you have the solder yet?

I would like a soldapult, but I also need solder and I would prefer saving on shipping to Canada and get both at the same time so if you don't have the solder ready yet I'll be patient (or try) and wait!  :-X
i have solder and pullts. i think i'm going to have to hand spool the solder, but i can definitely get some out. PM me with what you'd like to order and i'll take a look at what needs to be done to get it to you.


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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 09:06:04 »
Do you have the solder yet?

I would like a soldapult, but I also need solder and I would prefer saving on shipping to Canada and get both at the same time so if you don't have the solder ready yet I'll be patient (or try) and wait!  :-X
i have solder and pullts. i think i'm going to have to hand spool the solder, but i can definitely get some out. PM me with what you'd like to order and i'll take a look at what needs to be done to get it to you.

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« Reply #94 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 14:18:55 »
kester spools will be dispensed 1oz at a time in the the edsyn handheld dispenser systems, i won't have those until monday. how much is 1oz of kester 44?



it's plenty. but what's cool about these dispensers is that they provide a spool, are neat, ALSO dispense wick if you absolutely need some, and are basically foolproof (i can't count the number of times i've burned myself on wick. check it out:





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« Reply #95 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 14:21:52 »
how much for the fancy solder holders :eek:

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« Reply #96 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 16:35:16 »
How much are the soldapults going to be?

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« Reply #97 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 19:33:41 »
Soldapullt pricing is as follows:

a DS017LSGH (an edsyn ESD safe, all-black soldapullt with fluorinated upgrades) is 36$ + ship.
a DS017GH (an esdyn, blue and yellow soldapullt with fluorinated upgrades) is 29$ + ship.
a 100% edsyn DS017 (exactly the same product as vended by edsyn) is 22$ + ship.

Rebuild kit pricing is as follows. Note that all rebuild kits are fluorinated, and include a fluorinated o-ring, premixed krytox grease, a syringe applicator (NOT shipped to SE Asia -- still working on that one..), and a brand new genuine soldapullt tip

a DS017GH REBUILD is 14 (BLUE tip)
a DS017LSGH REBUILD is 16 (BLACK conductive tip)

soldapullt builds that combine blue and black plastic parts are special order. PM me for price.

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« Reply #98 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 19:38:27 »
i will have kester pack prices sometime tonight they will include the awesome dispenser and 1oz of Kester 44.

i will also have krytox MIX AND APPLY KITS priced with a manifest of what will be contained in them.

Note that the MIX AND APPLY KITS do not include krytox lube. the idea is that a KRYTOX LUBE KIT comes with krytox grease, oil and the absolute minimum needed to mix and apply (with a fair amount of effort). the MIX AND APPLY KIT is a deluxe kit with enough gear to make mixing and applying much much more pleasant, with all pieces chosen to be as friendly to the krytox and the user as possible.
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« Reply #99 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 19:56:08 »
AHA! found it.

OK, KESTER PACK is: 8$ + ship. This includes the awesome solder dispenser shown above (but without all the little scratches; that's a demo unit I've been playing with that has been well loved, to say the least. The KESTER PACK also includes at least one heart sticker AND MAYBE a demik quote as well, depending on my mood. In summary, it will come decorated, because little heart stickers are awesome.

I'm not sure if it will come with a sample of edsyn desoldering braid. I most likely won't know until Monday, but that will be the price regardless.


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« Reply #100 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:05:45 »
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« Reply #101 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:09:14 »
just a reminder that kester 44 <3s you :)

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« Reply #102 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:15:36 »
ALSO, an announcement! i have been totally hearing everyone's frustration with the minor leakage or worse of 1506 VPF out of the plastic vials. There is exactly one solution to this, but I have refrained from implementing it due to not wanting to raise the price of the packs. HOWEVER, recent extremely generous donations have allowed me to purchase a vacuum sealing setup. from here on, ALL sensitive products will be vacuum packed in thick HDPE bagging with NO CHANGE IN COST.

THANK YOU ALL DONATORS FOR YOUR EXTREMELY GENEROUS DONATIONS! i wanted to make sure as many people as possible could benefit from your donations, and since krytox and krytox-related _stuff_ is our most popular product, I felt this was the best way to spend a portion of that money. THANK YOU AGAIN! many hands will be saved from vigorous rubbing on microfiber cloths thanks to your donations. :D

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« Reply #103 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:28:05 »
What is the earliest you can ship the Kester 44 with the kit, I need one ASAP!

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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:34:11 »
monday. i actually tried to grab them today, but edsyn is basically locked up for fiscal year end inventory

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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:38:29 »
OK, here comes my n00b questions:

What does this fluorinated thing change?

What are those rebuilt kit? Defective ones rebuilt? Are they working as good as a new one?
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« Reply #106 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 20:48:00 »
the fluorinated lubricants and o-ring have two effects: more pressure at the same piston velocity: this make the soldapullt more effective. i don't have the instruments needed to measure exactly how much more effective, but i used both my upgraded prototype unit and the original unit extensively, and i really really prefer the upgraded unit. case in point, after a few uses, the original edsyn soldapullt will tend to leak vacuum if you were to, say, block up the tip (which is one way i test them). the rod may hold for a second or so, but the vacuum will leak and the rod will extract itself from the barrel. the fluorinated units will hold their vacuum for literally as long as you're willing to block the tip. i haven't been patient enough to do this for longer than about 5 minutes, but the basic idea is that they do not leak vacuum, ever. this means more force and more velocity at the tip when you hit the trigger.

the other benefit of the fluorinated parts is that the fluorinated grease does not have to be reapplied regularly like the grease that edsyn uses does. time will tell, but it will last much much much longer before reapplication of grease (several orders of magnitude longer). further, neither the fluorinated o-ring or the grease are susceptible to heat or solvents. the edsyn units have molded into them, in large text "NO HEAT OR SOLVENTS". the GH editions more or less get rid of that limitation of the soldapullt.

the rebuild kits are mainly for older soldapullts that have had extensive use and are not pulling the vacuum they used to or have significantly degraded (read: melted) tips. they can also be used to upgrade an existing soldapullt to a gh-fluorinated version. and yes, after rebuilding a soldapullt, it should work as good as new (the only thing that's not replaced is the spring. if you still have issues with your soldapullt after rebuilding with the gh kit, i can source you a replacement spring assembly.
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« Reply #107 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:09:38 »
Hi kawa, I am unaware of edsyn's large line-up of products, so you can answer this better, do they have a version of their desoldering tool, where the tip is heated by a heating element, like the cheap Chinese variant I bought some time back. A "Desoldering iron". I am quite happy with mine, however as you would expect, the local tool doesn't hold as much vacuum or last as long as an Edsyn product would.

The construction is quite simple, instead of a plastic tip like the one on a soldapullt, they have a metallic tip, which is connected to a ceramic heating element which is then wired to a power outlet. The fact that you need only one tool as opposed to using a soldering iron and desoldering tool, makes the job quicker and you have to worry less about timing it correctly.

The logical problem with such a tool would be the susceptibility to heat, now with the fluorinated o-ring and grease, the problem is reduced.

If Edsyn don't have such a product, have they considered one, as I believe we need a product between the soldapullt and the Hakko 808, something intermediate.

Edit: Something like this: http://www.vetco.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=6841
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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:20:53 »
Whats wrong with the soldapult? I just wanted to know why you think there needs to be a step inbetween a soldapult and a 808.
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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:24:15 »
I love my soldapullt...they really work great

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« Reply #110 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:31:40 »
Whats wrong with the soldapult?

Takes longer to use, both hands get occupied, and you have to time it so that you can suck up the solder at the right time.

What I am suggesting is similar to a Hakko 808, however instead of mechanical suction, it involves manual suction using a plunger like the Soldapullt.

I just wanted to know why you think there needs to be a step inbetween a soldapult and a 808.
Price, the Soldapullt isn't too expensive, however the Hakko 808 can be considering international shipping as well, so a solution which is better than the current Soldapullt howver not as expensive as the Hakko 808 would be welcome.
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« Reply #111 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:34:04 »
I desoldered an entire QFR in 45 minutes with a Soldapult. Seems to work out fine for me.

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« Reply #112 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:37:41 »
For the Price, the soldapullt is great and very efficient.
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« Reply #113 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 22:00:42 »
I desoldered an entire QFR in 45 minutes with a Soldapult. Seems to work out fine for me.

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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 00:53:42 »
Hi kawa, I am unaware of edsyn's large line-up of products, so you can answer this better, do they have a version of their desoldering tool, where the tip is heated by a heating element, like the cheap Chinese variant I bought some time back. A "Desoldering iron". I am quite happy with mine, however as you would expect, the local tool doesn't hold as much vacuum or last as long as an Edsyn product would.

The construction is quite simple, instead of a plastic tip like the one on a soldapullt, they have a metallic tip, which is connected to a ceramic heating element which is then wired to a power outlet. The fact that you need only one tool as opposed to using a soldering iron and desoldering tool, makes the job quicker and you have to worry less about timing it correctly.

The logical problem with such a tool would be the susceptibility to heat, now with the fluorinated o-ring and grease, the problem is reduced.

If Edsyn don't have such a product, have they considered one, as I believe we need a product between the soldapullt and the Hakko 808, something intermediate.

Edit: Something like this: http://www.vetco.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=6841
where does the power pumped into this tip go when it's not melting solder? it goes into the plastic, which in a soldapullt is high quality ptfe, abs, and other materials, all of which will eventually melt. the cheap chinese variant is not made to last. a soldapullt willl last forever because it was designed properly. the fluorination protects the plastic and sealing bits from hot air and molten bits of solder, all of which should be < 300C. a soldering iron with a soldapullt around it would quickly reach 450C without huge amounts of insulation that cost far more than the soldapullt itself.

put another way, your cheap chinese clone was built to low tolerances to cause itself to melt after a fairly small number of cycles. before it melts, it will warp, because every single time you use it, all the plastic bits are hitting glass transition. thankfully, they probably didn't use real ptfe anywhere in your clone, because that would, in addition, outgas aerosolized formaldehyde, which is ridiculously toxic. there are other cheap plastics that will outgas formaldehyde, and additives to abs that will also outgas toxic fumes when heated to those temperatures.

the edsyn equivalent to what you're talking about is a properly engineered and built desoldering station like the zd500. the edsyn stations are pretty cool, actually. there are a lot of small touches that make them very very nice. solder recovery _in_ the holder, for example, and all have fully sheathed ceramic heaters. it's a small tradeoff of efficiency for safety. they're really hobbled right now by older electronics and a very blocky design. they're very function over form compared to the hakko industrial design (well, except for the 808. that thing just looks unavoidably like a huge vacuum pump on the end of a nozzle.

ANYWAY, the bottom line is that the soldapullt pushes the limits of what you can do with plastic at that price point. high vacuum means high precision molding, a high enough spring constant that it's possible to pump by hand but not so weak that you don't get high enough air velocity, etc. the only weakness that the soldapullt has is that it uses what i believe is a pretty volatile grease. however, i know the reasoning for this. the feeling at edsyn engineering is that they can get their rubber o-rings at a very low price, the grease is just viscous enough to seal but not too viscous to cause drag, and just inert enough to last for a damned long time. it's "good enough" vs balls out geekhacking. that said, let it not be said that they don't spend money where it needs to be spent. the tips are high temp resistance teflon, AND replaceable with tolerances that are tight enough that they do not leak but are still removable. the reason why they can do this is because they mold everything in house to higher tolerances than any molding shop overseas that i know of, and they QC everything before it goes out. _everything_. the cl1481s we are discussing as learn to solder irons are individually temperature calibrated before they leave the factory, and still manage to hit a lower price point than anything hakko or weller can deliver.

wow, total digression. i would like to point out two things though. the first thing is that the krytoxapullt is bigger, and metal and could theoretically carry a heater on it, but it also took me something like an hour to break the plunger on it, and that was AFTER putting a whole bunch of effort into getting the plunger to actually produce any form of vacuum. there were so many leaks in that thing it was seriously insane. the plunger i replaced it with is something like a 1" diameter x 1/2" straight up BLOCK of ptfe, machined for two fluorinated o-rings. only after doing that, and sealing the entire unit with rtv silicone that cost like 3x the krytoxapullt itself (the ptfe plunger and o-rings cost about as much as the icing dispenser did, so i got away cheap on that part of it) was i able to actually produce enough vacuum to suck in nlgi 2 grease.

sooo basically what i'm saying is that edsyn could not maintain their level of quality and produce a soldapullt with a heater core. to properly engineer such a thing is a major undertaking, and they already produce a range of extremely nice inexpensive irons as well as a range of extremely nice expensive solder/desolder stations for production level quality, all of which can easily be paired with their line of soldapullts. there's really no reason for them to produce a poorly engineered soldapullt variant with a heater in it that will slowly melt itself into pieces and produce toxic fumes in the process.

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« Reply #115 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 02:18:28 »
I can see what you mean.

The Chinese clone has a metallic body, there are very few plastic parts, and only the tip is heated, anywho, I guess it would still not be possible for them to make something as high quality as what they already have, because if they could, they would have come out with a product like that.

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« Reply #116 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 13:13:46 »
the piping they use is almost certainly cheap aluminum. thermal expansion? the piston probably leaks like crazy in the best of cases, and how do you clean it out? it's probably an ingenious little tool considering the budget of the manufacturer, but it's not built to the kinds of longevity and tolerance requirements as edsyn products. also, good heating elements cost _a lot_, more than your entire unit probably cost. i mean, just think about all the little parts that went into your tool and think about how much it would cost to make them to high tolerances, to meet UL safety requirements, etc. and you can quickly see that the cost of such a unit would be so high that there would be no place for it in the edsyn lineup.

hand pistons make a lot of sense at the 30-40$ level, above that, you might as well engineer things properly and either pull down shop air (the vac-driven soldapullt line for ~ 100$) or include a vac pump (zd500 for ~ 4-500$)

with heaters that can hit 450C, you don't screw around if you're doing things properly.

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« Reply #117 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 13:34:39 »
Hmm, I see what you mean kawa. The Chinese clone cost $4. And yes the body does heat up.

To clean it, you can remove the plunger, and remove the gunk from inside. What I do after every 500 pins or so is open it up remove the gunk and then grease it to have a smoother plunger action and to get a better seal. I also melt some flux with the tip and suck it, this cleans up all the gunk still stuck inside the tube and it spits it out next time I press the plunger! :D

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« Reply #118 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 13:55:20 »
man, we need to get you a real pullt

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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 14:04:38 »
man, we need to get you a real pullt

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« Reply #120 on: Sat, 05 October 2013, 09:23:45 »
MIX AND APPLY KIT:

2x NALGENE 125ml LEAKPROOF BOTTLES (keep two different ratio mixes at once!)
33x PTFE BEARINGS (size and number subject to change as i tune the kit, but current 33 5/16" diameter bearings)
5x 5cc luer lock syringes
10x luer lock caps (these things always get lost. ALWAYS)
1x 25ga polypropylene FLEXIBLE luer lock needle
1x 18ga polypropylene FLEXIBLE luer lock needle (i found that the metal needles were always bending, so i just bought flexible ones for you guys)
1x 14ga steel luer lock needle (big fat needle for loading syringes)
3x 1.5" needle scabbards

all needles are 1.5" long

PRICE: TBA

note that mix and apply kit does not come with krytox. this is on purpose. you buy ONE mix and apply kit and as many krytox lube kits as you need krytox.

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« Reply #121 on: Sat, 05 October 2013, 10:20:35 »
I am hating myself for having a cherry mx blue fetish, which hate lube.

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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:13:34 »
just got notice that we have to wait until tuesday for the kester packs. not a huge deal, but hopefully people with orders in don't mind.

here's a preview of the packaging upgrades i've been working on:


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« Reply #123 on: Mon, 07 October 2013, 06:45:35 »
^^ nice credit card :P

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« Reply #125 on: Tue, 08 October 2013, 20:28:54 »
oh please, it's a prepaid rebate card from my cm storm spawn (which is now my main mouse btw. completely replaced the my g9xs. woah! did not expect that).

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« Reply #126 on: Tue, 08 October 2013, 22:44:13 »
GEECKERS ANNOUNCEMENTS


KESTER PACKS IN STOCK (kind of)

The dispensers have cosmetic and some not-so-cosmetic issues. As a result, I am shipping TWO dispensers with every kester pack. one dispenser is labeled (with heart stickers OF COURSE) and contains 1oz of Kester 44 63/37 RA solder 0.02" with DOM of 4/13. The other contains 0.03x" solder of unknown origin that very likely dates back a couple decades. Consider it good for practicing with ;). Basically, it turns out that these dispensers are old enough that the ABS is becoming brittle. In the unlikely case that both your dispensers break in any way, I will send you another, on my cost if you are domestic and split shipping on next order if not. Price remains at 8$.

GEECKERS FLASH SALE!

i have 3 beta lube kits that escaped from somewhere in the back of my storeroom. They are complete, but lack any of the packaging niceties i've added since I started vending. However, they contain exactly the same amount of Krytox as current shipping kits. Price for these three units is 12$/ea! (a 4$ savings over the new nicer kits yayyy!)

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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 07:18:19 »
kawa, the PTFE tape around the top of the vial you sent in my rebuild kits really did the trick. No leakage outside the vial whatsoever. :thumb:
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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 11:49:50 »
oh, about those! i have to write up instructions on how to rebuild. remind me plzz

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« Reply #129 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 17:48:45 »
folks,

it seems prudent to mention the following: CRAP, i only have one more DS017LSGH left! looks like MOZ will be cutting a whole bunch of black vinyl for you guys to decorate the DS017GHs :)

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 17:53:54 »
Orange vinyl for the black ones? :D
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« Reply #131 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 01:33:08 »
I'm not cutting the vinyl, the  plotter will, so no worries with the numbers.

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« Reply #132 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 06:07:35 »
as of earlier this evening i am out of DS017LSGHs. most purchasing black units seem to be doing so for the color, and not the ESD protection, so i will be focusing on adding some black and orange to the blue units. i have a design nearly ready, but this week is crazy week, so it's probably wisest to just order a DS017 or DS017GH if you need one and have some vinyl fun shipped at a later date.

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« Reply #133 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 00:04:24 »
MIX AND APPLY KIT:

2x NALGENE 125ml LEAKPROOF BOTTLES (keep two different ratio mixes at once!)
33x PTFE BEARINGS (size and number subject to change as i tune the kit, but current 33 5/16" diameter bearings)
5x 5cc luer lock syringes
10x luer lock caps (these things always get lost. ALWAYS)
1x 25ga polypropylene FLEXIBLE luer lock needle
1x 18ga polypropylene FLEXIBLE luer lock needle (i found that the metal needles were always bending, so i just bought flexible ones for you guys)
1x 14ga steel luer lock needle (big fat needle for loading syringes)
3x 1.5" needle scabbards

all needles are 1.5" long

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note that mix and apply kit does not come with krytox. this is on purpose. you buy ONE mix and apply kit and as many krytox lube kits as you need krytox.

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« Reply #134 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 01:37:55 »
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« Reply #135 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 14:24:47 »
Got me a soldapullt, lube kit, mix and apply kit and 2 QFR covers (but I still need to get me a QFR). Plus lol at the sticker. Thanks Ming!!

P.S. How in the hell did it get here so fast??? also the vacuum on the lube bag seems to have dissipated during transit, not sure how...
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« Reply #136 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 14:36:17 »
Need some more quotes!

"'I ordered another ErgoDox, but all I got was this bottle of lube' - tp4tissue"
(made it up...  but I bet he would say that  :)) )

But this one is typical

"'Should have bought an ErgoDox'"
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« Reply #137 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 14:42:44 »
Hello mkawa,

Was wondering when you'd get more of the DS017LSGHs in stock? thanks =D
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« Reply #138 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 14:52:38 »
Almost didn't see this one:
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« Reply #139 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 15:00:45 »
Almost didn't see this one:
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« Reply #140 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 15:36:04 »
Almost didn't see this one:
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FLOCKING.


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« Reply #141 on: Thu, 17 October 2013, 20:23:39 »
If absolutely necessary (ie, enough demand), I can restock a few more ds017lsghs, but I'd like to make a dent in my stock of DS017GHs first. HOWEVER, now that people have left, I have time to design the orange and black vinyl that will decorate the GH version properly ;)

There are two concrete differences between the LS and the non-ls. The first one that everyone has latched onto is that the LS is black plastic. The second is that the black plastic is slightly conductive, which makes it ESD-safer. We don't typically work with highly ESD sensitive components and the feedback I've gotten has been that what they care about is the color. Hence, I'm setting on some designs for vinyl and I will most likely stock black and gray patterned carbon-fiber vinyl for the bottom-most layer of DS017GH decoration and then an orange vinyl geekhack on top of it. my goal is to look at LEAST as badass as the ds017lsgh for 10 dollars less ;)

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« Reply #142 on: Thu, 17 October 2013, 22:13:38 »
If absolutely necessary (ie, enough demand), I can restock a few more ds017lsghs, but I'd like to make a dent in my stock of DS017GHs first. HOWEVER, now that people have left, I have time to design the orange and black vinyl that will decorate the GH version properly ;)

There are two concrete differences between the LS and the non-ls. The first one that everyone has latched onto is that the LS is black plastic. The second is that the black plastic is slightly conductive, which makes it ESD-safer. We don't typically work with highly ESD sensitive components and the feedback I've gotten has been that what they care about is the color. Hence, I'm setting on some designs for vinyl and I will most likely stock black and gray patterned carbon-fiber vinyl for the bottom-most layer of DS017GH decoration and then an orange vinyl geekhack on top of it. my goal is to look at LEAST as badass as the ds017lsgh for 10 dollars less ;)

mkawa do you have a time frame in mind when you would have the carbon fiber vinyl ready  :p  :cool:
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« Reply #143 on: Thu, 17 October 2013, 22:26:31 »
ideally, i'll be able to adapt one of the designs i have running around this weekend, get the order finalized with moz next week, and have vinyl in hand within 2wks after that.

that is very ideal though, and assumes that there aren't tons of fires i have raging in my life that need to be put out asap, which i do unfortunately. if you're in dire need of a pullt, and really really want black plastic vs. vinyl on blue, go ahead and PM me and i'll get one out to you. lead time will be about 3 days. prices are as published.

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« Reply #144 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 23:46:07 »
change of plans folks. geeckers is closed for the next three weeks. i will be completely unable to fill orders and will not be able to respond to inquiries until mid-november. to the two who have agreed to beta the cl1481 kits, i will be getting those out to you, but otherwise i am closed for business. sorry folks for the lack of notice and those who were looking at merch in the next few weeks. thanks for your cooperation and understanding.

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« Reply #145 on: Sat, 19 October 2013, 10:49:51 »
Was just about to order some lube too! Hope all is well mate, get the real life stuff sorted and we'll all still be here when you return :)
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« Reply #146 on: Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:59:20 »
it looks like i'll have enough time to process a few orders. if you need something simple, and you're in north america, go ahead and shoot me a PM. in the past, i typically was processing orders same-day, but i might have a couple days of lag between order and shipment now. i also won't have time to get into the usual long conversations; i enjoy them, but just don't have the time now. anyway, if you know what you need, and have taken a look at what i have on hand, go ahead and shoot me a PM. if i don't get back to you within a few days, just shoot me another.

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« Reply #147 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 12:44:07 »
note that i can't do international shipping right now except to canada. it's just too time consuming. however, i am working behind the scenes to change how the geekhackers store operates so that everyone can get the goods they want in the most convenient way possible while still contributing to the geekhack trust fund. please stay tuned!

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« Reply #148 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 18:17:29 »
Got everything in the mail today. It all looks awesome. Will probably take pictures and post it in the mail thread later. Just a note: the iron is a little wobbly in the stand, I'm thinking due to the fact that it's a little heavy, but it's not too much of a problem and it's not really an inconvenience.
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« Reply #149 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 13:15:31 »
hey folks, quick update:

the only thing i will be vending right now is USB adapters, soldapullts (ds017GH) and soldapullt rebuilt kits (DS017GH REBUILD and DS017LSGH REBUILD, for blue and black tips, respectively). thanks for your patience everyone. there will be an update on lubricant availability next week

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Re: GEEKHACKERS.ORG TEMPORARY STORE
« Reply #150 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 13:16:55 »
hey folks, quick update:

the only thing i will be vending right now is USB adapters, soldapullts (ds017GH) and soldapullt rebuilt kits (DS017GH REBUILD and DS017LSGH REBUILD, for blue and black tips, respectively). thanks for your patience everyone. there will be an update on lubricant availability next week

ill be in for some more

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« Reply #151 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 09:18:23 »
my god. we have to work something UK proxy out for you BL. like someone that lives within driving distance but has a different royal mail service provider.

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« Reply #152 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 09:49:40 »
Any link as to where you get your ptfe bearings from?  I'm trying to find some here (UK) to help with my mixing but can't track them down.
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« Reply #153 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:04:03 »
hey folks,

i'm kind of back. a little bit. maybe not for long.

there will be an announcement on monday morning about krytox lube availability.

things are progressing on the panavise front. i am hoping to start a gb-style thread for the panavises done up in full GH gear next week. melvang has been incredibly helpful here, and has found both an amazing powdercoater that hopefully will become our main paint shop, and melvang himself will be doing some mechanical modifications to the vises to beef them up something fierce.

i still have quite a large stock of USB adapters, soldapullts and soldapullt rebuild kits. happy to accept orders for those items.

it is very likely that i will run several group buys for edsyn soldering stations. there will be two levels. a lower tier "learn to solder kit" that dragonxx21 and turtle are helping me test out. this set will be based on the edsyn cl1481 fixed temperature iron and kester 44. the next level up will be the edsyn 951sx station, which appears, on its face, to be a competitor to the hakko 888d. however, having used both, the edsyn station is simply on another level. the power output is nearly 2x, and the durability and build of every single part is head and shoulders above the hakko station. further, the edsyn station will come with an extremely generous warranty that i can easily promise to help with, as entire operation, including all manufacturing, service and management, is 15 minutes away from me.

looking into the future, look for geekhackers to directly vend higher-end tooling, while lower priced product and consumables will be vended by a select set of trustworthy community vendors who have copacetic product offerings.

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« Reply #154 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:13:53 »
What about the solder and spool holders?

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« Reply #155 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:31:45 »
i'm still debating whether to vend those myself or to distribute them to the vendors i have been working with. each soldering kit will come with a spool of kester 44, but unless i offer them only as part of higher margin packages, they are a money loser.

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« Reply #156 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:33:23 »
on the upside, i'm quite happy with them. the spools and holders are very cool little toys and extremely convenient for soldering with.

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« Reply #157 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:36:16 »
Ah well I've already got the hakko, don't need another station, was just interested in some solder and the holder :P
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« Reply #158 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:41:55 »
The 951sx looks pretty cool.
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« Reply #159 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:44:25 »
it is quite cool. however, it's the kind of station that will last you 15 years and is very easy to break stuff with. the kit you're testing will last nearly as long but is much much harder to break stuff with

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« Reply #160 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 10:59:27 »
how nice
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« Reply #161 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 11:06:12 »
Hey mkawa, what about the spacebars???

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« Reply #162 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:06:13 »
i'm being told next week?

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« Reply #163 on: Tue, 19 November 2013, 04:28:10 »
Definitely keen to get a lube kit when you've got more stock, seems it's impossible to buy Dupont stuff in Australia if you want less than a 44 gallon drum.
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« Reply #164 on: Tue, 19 November 2013, 06:27:37 »
The Geekhackers temporary store is now closed. Please look forward to more information on our permanent operations in the very near future :)

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« Reply #165 on: Tue, 19 November 2013, 06:44:46 »
I am sad :(

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« Reply #166 on: Tue, 19 November 2013, 15:12:43 »
I am sad :(

I was temporary after all.

Hopefully it has proven sufficient successful that a permanent store is a no-brainer.
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« Reply #167 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:10:19 »
I am loving the Soldapullt, it is amazing, threw away the Chinese crap I was using. Thanks ming. I also realised why I was initially hesitant on going this route, it was because I thought I would damage the tip fairly easily, but the tip has a much higher MP than what we use and thus there is little fear of melting it with the iron.

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« Reply #168 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 09:13:55 »
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