Author Topic: GH60 Keyboard Project (Read 648575 times)

komar007 · « **Reply #200 on:** Thu, 20 September 2012, 01:31:40 »

Thanks, mkawa.
I edited the post and put a link instead.

EDIT:

Quote from: TheProfosist on Sun, 16 September 2012, 18:23:01

Are we 100% just going with 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 1.5 bottom row the reason I ask is that that really limits what can be put on that keyboard for keycaps. Also do you think that I could get a blank layout of the GH60 do that I can start messing around with what my layout could potentially be?

We have 3 different options for the bottom row, see the current drawing (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yx6f5gr57m5gxc2/kb.png).
You can start messing around, just fork the project on github (https://github.com/komar007/ghkb).

ferociousfingerings · « **Reply #201 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:06:43 »

Wooo, just seeing this thread for the first time.

1) Awesome
2) i vote that with a typical "ansi" layout, the outside edge of both shift keys should become a single "1x" modifier.
3) I wish i had something more to contribute.

I think... small, sturdy, and programmable, would be f'sweet (and bonus points for being able to use "standard" key cap sets for it).

I only recently found the phantom thread on DT, read the whole thing, and was bummed at the end when i realized i'd never get one.

This, though... kinda gives me some new hope. (and something to "wait for" lol)

Will certainly stay tuned. ^^

komar007 · « **Reply #202 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:51:25 »

Quote from: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:06:43

Wooo, just seeing this thread for the first time.

1) Awesome

Cool, that means you're in, right?

Quote from: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:06:43

2) i vote that with a typical "ansi" layout, the outside edge of both shift keys should become a single "1x" modifier.

Currently doable only on the right side. Left side should be possible to, I'll see.

Quote from: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:06:43

3) I wish i had something more to contribute.

When we have at least prototypes, we'll need to finish the controller code and write a layout gui.
We need someone to design the final metal plates, contact manufacturers and have them made.
We need to choose a fabhouse and work with them to get this produced.

Plenty of things to contribute to;)

__red__ · « **Reply #203 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:28:07 »

Diodes in the key matrix?

komar007 · « **Reply #204 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 11:44:06 »

No, what for?

EDIT: we have an avr with 3-state outputs, so one row is 0 (output, 0), the rest Hi-Z (input, no pullup), and columns are inputs, pull-up. Should work fine.

alaricljs · « **Reply #205 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 11:57:22 »

Diodes in the matrix so you don't get ghosting.

komar007 · « **Reply #206 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 12:08:59 »

Diodes don't protect from ghosting, or at least that is not the most important point of them. Diodes actually protect from burning the outputs of an IC when a row is selected by setting it low, while all the other rows are high. When two keys from the same column are pressed at the same time, this makes a short, and who knows what happens.
Our keyboard will leave all the other rows in Hi-Z, so I don't see a reason for diodes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am wrong;)

EDIT: Okay, I've drawn the schematic an analyzed it. I think I see where my problem is. Sorry for misinformation.

EDIT2: Where do we want the diodes? Next to switches like in Phantom, or inside switches? Or maybe all smd, so that it comes with diodes presoldered.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #207 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 16:41:02 »

Quote from: komar007 on Wed, 26 September 2012, 12:08:59

Diodes don't protect from ghosting, or at least that is not the most important point of them. Diodes actually protect from burning the outputs of an IC when a row is selected by setting it low, while all the other rows are high. When two keys from the same column are pressed at the same time, this makes a short, and who knows what happens.
Our keyboard will leave all the other rows in Hi-Z, so I don't see a reason for diodes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am wrong;)

EDIT: Okay, I've drawn the schematic an analyzed it. I think I see where my problem is. Sorry for misinformation.

EDIT2: Where do we want the diodes? Next to switches like in Phantom, or inside switches? Or maybe all smd, so that it comes with diodes presoldered.

im were going to need to do the controller smd then might as well make the diodes that as well.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #208 on:** Wed, 26 September 2012, 22:53:34 »

Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 26 September 2012, 16:41:02

im were going to need to do the controller smd then might as well make the diodes that as well.

This is my feeling exactly.

Findecanor · « **Reply #209 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 17:21:54 »

Quote from: komar007 on Thu, 20 September 2012, 01:31:40

We have 3 different options for the bottom row, see the current drawing (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yx6f5gr57m5gxc2/kb.png).

I see three options for the left side and three options for the right side. All options that the Phantom had plus the option of two 1.5 keys together on the left side like on winkeyless Cherry G80-1800 and G80-11800.

If I may add a suggestion, how about the the option of having two keys on the Backspace key's position like on the HHKB where the key above ANSI Enter is used for Backspace and the key in the top/right corner is Delete? The situation with switches and orientation is the same as for the right Shift key. (I drew a mockup before I saw that you had already solved the problem...)

Quote from: komar007 on Wed, 26 September 2012, 12:08:59

EDIT2: Where do we want the diodes? Next to switches like in Phantom, or inside switches? Or maybe all smd, so that it comes with diodes presoldered.

If they are inside switches, then that would add more holes per switch, additional constraints on how switches can be placed and fewer options for layout.

MMB · « **Reply #210 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 17:39:11 »

I am interested in this.

MMB · « **Reply #211 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 17:54:06 »

Quote from: Djuzuh on Sat, 25 August 2012, 03:11:17

I don't get the 1.5 mod craz.

I like my 1.25 mods.

Just because korean make it the 1.5 way doesn't need we need to copy them.

Pretty sure Cherry Corp (Germans) were using 1.5x mods before Koreans.....

They just look nicer, imo.

mm87 · « **Reply #212 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 18:19:40 »

Interested, especially in winkeyless layout with 1.5-1-1.5 mods and full 2.75 right shift, like this 356mini:

(source: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4191734)

Tenkey · « **Reply #213 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 18:57:17 »

Quote from: mm87 on Thu, 27 September 2012, 18:19:40

Interested, especially in winkeyless layout with 1.5-1-1.5 mods and full 2.75 right shift, like this 356mini:

Show Image

(source: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4191734)

That is the best looking layout imo

The_Beast · « **Reply #214 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 18:59:43 »

I like it quite a bit

SmallFry · « **Reply #215 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 19:13:32 »

Me too!

metalliqaz · « **Reply #216 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 19:25:20 »

Quote from: mm87 on Thu, 27 September 2012, 18:19:40

Interested, especially in winkeyless layout with 1.5-1-1.5 mods and full 2.75 right shift, like this 356mini:

Show Image

(source: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4191734)

Awesomest thing I ever did see

modulor · « **Reply #217 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 20:35:42 »

The multiple possibilities with the layout is just about as cool as the program-ability.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #218 on:** Thu, 27 September 2012, 23:24:08 »

Yea it should be a clone of the phantom so should all the layouts be possible.

JonDBurnett · « **Reply #219 on:** Sun, 30 September 2012, 04:47:00 »

i am also extremely interested in this. and i also think it would be awesome to have a custom built keyboard. we will be the envy of everyone everywhere!!

TheProfosist · « **Reply #220 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 00:23:00 »

Quote from: TheProfosist on Thu, 27 September 2012, 23:24:08

Yea it should be a clone of the phantom so should all the layouts be possible.

minus that stupid 7bit spacebar I couldnt get used a non standard spacebar for the life of me even got custom plates to remedy the issue.

Icarium · « **Reply #221 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 06:08:41 »

It definitely needs a 7bit or japanese bottom-row option, I don't want to waste all that space on just space, especially not on a 60%!

dirge · « **Reply #222 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 08:07:48 »

Quote from: Icarium on Tue, 02 October 2012, 06:08:41

It definitely needs a 7bit or japanese bottom-row option, I don't want to waste all that space on just space, especially not on a 60%!

May get very busy with the controller being there.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #223 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 11:37:26 »

Quote from: dirge on Tue, 02 October 2012, 08:07:48

Quote from: Icarium on Tue, 02 October 2012, 06:08:41
It definitely needs a 7bit or japanese bottom-row option, I don't want to waste all that space on just space, especially not on a 60%!

May get very busy with the controller being there.

the room under the space is needed for the controller because you cant put it between the num and function row.

phetto · « **Reply #224 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 11:53:50 »

Interested.

komar007 · « **Reply #225 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 12:15:12 »

There are like 15 officially interested now, it looks promising.
This doesn't change the fact that we need like 35 more to get decent assembly prices...
I got back to kicad today after I ended my semester project, so I can hopefully bring this to an end soon.
Just saying, so that you know I didn't drop it.

fruktstund · « **Reply #226 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 12:25:15 »

Even though it says "IC" right in the thread title, I haven't really thought about this thread as an interest check.

I am interested, for the record. The layout on the Poker makes me a sad vegetable, so why not?

damorgue · « **Reply #227 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 14:40:41 »

I made a post in the Phantom thread that could benefit this project too. A couple of extra points to solder the LEDs under caps lock and the other would allow for MX Lock to be used.

osxoep · « **Reply #228 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 14:58:56 »

I'm a major newbie here.

How much would I have to do myself as a part of this? Would I just get the PCB?
It seems perfect to get an ISO layout 60% KB.

komar007 · « **Reply #229 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:00:22 »

Quote from: osxoep on Tue, 02 October 2012, 14:58:56

How much would I have to do myself as a part of this? Would I just get the PCB?

You solder the switches, put the keycaps on and you're good to go. You can also add a Poker/imsto case it you want to;)

Quote from: damorgue on Tue, 02 October 2012, 14:40:41

I made a post in the Phantom thread that could benefit this project too. A couple of extra points to solder the LEDs under caps lock and the other would allow for MX Lock to be used.

I was going to use the last easily-usable pin of atmega to add an LED somewhere in the lower right corner, because I was actually going to mount 2 MX Locks in my GH60 there for layer changing.

Where's that thread exactly?

damorgue · « **Reply #230 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:08:02 »

The post explains what one has to do to make the off center LED of the MX Lock work with the Scroll Lock switch on the Phantom. The caps lock works perfectly fine in the left position because the LED will hit a hole each of the right and left position of the switch.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23572.msg676260#msg676260

Basically, you would need to have three soldering points to each LED and switch to allow the LED to be rotated and placed slightly shifted. An example would be:

ACO for centered LED
OCA for off center LED

A = Anode Lead
C = Cathode Lead
O = Unused soldering point

komar007 · « **Reply #231 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:23:31 »

So this basically means one more hole with VCC to the right of the 4 existing.
It should be possible to put an LED in MX Lock in both positions with little bending.

damorgue · « **Reply #232 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:31:47 »

I did make some cuts to get the leads to come out in the center. Note that MX Lock has a wheel in the front which is in the way too if you want to bend the leads. It would be much easier to just add a hole as you mentioned. I use X to denote a blank, to make it centered.

XACA
or
XCAC

and then you can place the led:

XACA
or
XACA

Luckily, one lead coincides with both the centered LED and the off centered one.

This means three LED holes for each switch that are supposed to have LEDs to allow for easy mounting of MX Locks there, and yes, since caps lock has two positions it need five.

osxoep · « **Reply #233 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:33:00 »

Quote from: komar007 on Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:00:22

You solder the switches, put the keycaps on and you're good to go. You can also add a Poker/imsto case it you want to;)

Okay, doesn't sound too hard

Is there an estimate on the price? And I assume I would buy the caps separately or will there be a GB along side this one?

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komar007 · « **Reply #234 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:39:49 »

I recommend imsto's thick pbt sets for this keyboard.

You may also have to buy the switches yourself. I don't know if anyone organizes a group buy just for GH60, but it would be definitely cool.

phetto · « **Reply #235 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:45:55 »

7bit sells switchez

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dirge · « **Reply #236 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:46:13 »

7bits doing switches.

komar007 · « **Reply #237 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 15:56:46 »

I know, just got reds from him today.
But the ideal option would be to send to people soldered boards with a box of switches all in one package.

If I manage to have the boards produced myself, I can talk with him and make a big order so that you don't pay double shipping.

The_Beast · « **Reply #238 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 17:26:43 »

I'd love for it to be plate mount, if someone can whip up a dwg of the plate I'm sure I can have it cut for pretty cheap (if enough people order plates that is)

jessecoleman · « **Reply #239 on:** Tue, 02 October 2012, 22:47:53 »

I would like to add my name to the IC list. Hope this project goes through, as I'd love a 60% board.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #240 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 00:47:57 »

Quote from: komar007 on Tue, 02 October 2012, 12:15:12

There are like 15 officially interested now, it looks promising.
This doesn't change the fact that we need like 35 more to get decent assembly prices...
I got back to kicad today after I ended my semester project, so I can hopefully bring this to an end soon.
Just saying, so that you know I didn't drop it.

you could pm ishtob he should have pricing on dox pcb i think he may have better pricing.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #241 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 00:53:46 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 02 October 2012, 17:26:43

I'd love for it to be plate mount, if someone can whip up a dwg of the plate I'm sure I can have it cut for pretty cheap (if enough people order plates that is)

agreed it should be platemounted.

KennyR · « **Reply #242 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 04:40:42 »

I'm interested!

modulor · « **Reply #243 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 08:07:13 »

Not sure if I'm on the interest list yet, but I'm definitely in.

Loligagger · « **Reply #244 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 11:44:43 »

Would the pcb have any trouble fitting into treble's aluminum poker case? The supporting ridges in his aren't in the same place as the stock case. It shouldn't be too much of a worry but it warrants checking.

OddOne · « **Reply #245 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 11:51:19 »

I've been following this thread as well, but just haven't posted. Count me in as interested.

Nask · « **Reply #246 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 12:02:41 »

I don't even know if there is list of interested people, and if there's one, sure I'm.
Still reading/lurking this thread and try to think how could I help.

salmo · « **Reply #247 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 12:18:33 »

I'm interested too, if we're checking.

pasph · « **Reply #248 on:** Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:04:26 »

Interested in an ISO one

esoomenona · « **Reply #249 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 16:07:32 »

GH60 rev. B w/ ali's case	\|	Cherry G80-3000 HFU/05	\|	IBM Model M (51G8572)

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Author Topic: GH60 Keyboard Project (Read 648575 times)