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Group buy thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112147

About the set

JTK Sora is a set based off the colors of the sky, featuring a blue reminiscent of the sky for the alphas,
paired with an alternate sunset color for those who prefer the sunset instead.

The set is complimented with white modifiers being similar to the clouds we often see along with the sky,
along with a bronze-gold color representing the sun.

More context behind the set

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My inspiration for this set came from staying mostly at home the past year because of COVID and
starting to miss the stuff I was able to do before outside under the sky.

Explanation behind the name:
The the name came from a Japanese friend of mine, Homiezoned who when I asked for help with naming it, named it Sora
because it meant "sky" in Japanese. I found it interesting because in Kanji, the same "sky" (空) character can also
mean "air or empty" in Chinese Hanzi and when combined with the character (天) in Chinese, it also means sky (天空).



Updates

Thank you everyone for all the support, set has finally entered GB!

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Another important update regarding the set, JTK has just told us that the extra tab+backspace is
not possible for the Sunset alphas because of the way their molds are set up. We've unfortunately had
to modify the Sunset alphas kitting and remove the tab+backspace. Hopefully these are the final changes
needed.

On the bright side, we now have extra B in both base and the Sunset alphas, instead of spacebar kits.
JTK also has a new mold for the HHKB backspace, so we no longer have to use the 'xbox' one and
can use standard icon.

Other than that, we're still waiting on the pricing/moq from JTK. Bachoo has also updated kit renders
to reflect the changes.

3/10/2021 update:
Hi everyone, another update here!

Regarding group buy pricing and date- we're still waiting to hear back from JTK.
However, I'm excited to show you all some deskmats my friend bubbletea has been working on
the past few months. I know a lot of people were unhappy with the original deskmats, so hopefully
everyone will be able to enjoy a deskmat for the set, with these amazing additional two.

Zion Studios is also now a vendor for our Filipino friends, along with SwagKeys for our Korean friends.

2/17/2021 update:
- Vendors announced
- Updated kitting renders
- New board renders
- Spacebars separated

1/23/2021 update: Looking at the feedback, people wanted more region-neutral ISO but unfortunately JTK do not have the molds.
The current ISO support will likely remain the same. JTK has also said that the planned tripleshot novelties are possible!
Kitting splitting into modular alphas and modifiers are still heavily being considered at the moment (if JTK is willing).

12/27/2020 update:
My friend dany has helped done some new renders for the set- including one for the sunset kit (which is definitely lacking renders).
More renders will be on the way after the holidays.
Reading the current feedback so far, I know some people are interested in sub-legends but I want to leave it without sub-legends for this set
especially since there are already two different alphas. I am also heavily considering switching from the
current UK-ISO support to more region-neutral ISO instead.

First update: Small updates on the wording and formatting
I apologize to everyone who was offended by the confusing wording about the explanation before for the inspiration for the set and the name.
The post has been updated with new wording, which is hopefully more clear and explains better.
I also did not account for mobile users when posting this- which resulted in weird spacing for those with smaller screens.



Vendors

United States: Vala Supply
Canada: AlphaKeys
Mexico: Rheset
Europe: MyKeyboard
United Kingdom: proto[Typist]
Asia [China]: ZFrontier
Korea: SwagKeys
Philippines: Zion Studios PH
Oceania: SwitchKeys



Pricing

Kit     Vala Supply     Alpha Keys      MyKeyboard    proto[Typist]      zFrontier      SwagKeys      Zion Studios PH      Switch Keys      Rheset     
Base kit$90.00$90.0090,00€$2050.00
Sunset$25.00$25.0025,00€$750.00
Novelties$30.00$30.0030,00€$800.00
Spacebar Kits$15$1515.00€$550.00
Deskmats$20.00$20.0020.00€$550.00




Kits rendered by Bachoo

Base


Sunset


Novelties


Spacebars




Colors

Pantone 278c, Pantone 1625c, Pantone 7407c, GMK WS2



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WS2 was chosen over WS1 for the white because I felt WS2 was more similar to clouds than WS1, since WS1 has a bit of a cream tone to it.

As for why the blue chosen was 278c, originally I wanted something more like 2717c since the color reminded me of the sky the most but the contrast would be way too low for white legends.
278c also reminded of the sky but it was a bit deeper than 2717, making the contrast better with WS2.

The color 283c was also in consideration but GMK Oni already uses that color along with the same WS2 legends.

In bright natural lighting with pictures taken from my phone so colors aren't exactly accurate




Desk Mats

Blue Sky


Sunset Sky


Blue Pattern


Sunset Pattern



Renders

Renders done by me

Fuji65 by CMM/Nightsakura




Paragon by Artemis Studios






Monster by Tr0y






Artemis by halo




Bakeneko 65 by kkatano






Older Renders in different lighting

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Renders shown below are done by Bachoo

Bloop65 by Kwub



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Yeti by Snomo



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Random HHKB aka Script60 aka hacker man board by halo


F2 by GEON


Iron180 by Smith + Ruin




Nemui by Bachoo




S66 by sartori24




Alice by Yutski









Collaborations

Artisans

Asero Foundry x Sora w/ Gold Cerakoted Aluminum



Bowbie Keycaps
Shirouu
Coconut Keycaps

Cables

Bear Cables

Acknowledgements:

Homiezoned for helping me with coming up with the name for this set
sartori24 and everyone else in the KBDFans discord community for the support for the initial concept
Bowbie for agreeing to collaborate and make artisans
Bachoo for patiently working with me and providing all the amazing renders done for the set
Plop for helping with formatting the IC better- also for taking better pictures of the colors
Lala for supporting the set
[Redacted] aka that one discord and everyone else who has helped
« Last Edit: Thu, 08 April 2021, 11:58:02 by sauv »

Offline sauv

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:16:08 »
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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:17:45 »
I really liked the sunset variant, but the Pantone 7407C looks a bit poop to me

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:22:48 »
Modifiers remind me of GMK Civilizations

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:41:14 »
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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:50:54 »
Modifiers remind me of GMK Civilizations

I agree, the gold-ish modifiers definitely look similar to each other but I believe the set is different enough overall and has a different theme.
The reason why a "gold" color was chosen to represent the "sun" in the modifier legends is because the color known as "Sunray" is also similar to gold imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_(color)#Sunray

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:57:56 »
S U N S  E T
A L P H A
S O
L I T


T R E E L E A F
A P P R O V E  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 20:02:10 »
Really liking the blue and orange alpha shades chosen! GLWIC

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 20:02:35 »
Im not sure I like the normal base kit though. I would like it if it had Dark mod , Light alphas
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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 20:17:34 »
No "weeb" part, but it's still based on Japanese stuff.... LOL I don't think you know what "weeb" means. It's not just about anime.

It looks like a poor man's Lazurite, pass, sorry.
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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 20:44:35 »


I found it interesting because in Katakana, the same "sky"
character also meant "air or empty" in Chinese. When combined with the character
"sky" in Chinese, it also means sky.


I think you mean Kanji (空) instead of Katakana?

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:28:23 »


I found it interesting because in Katakana, the same "sky"
character also meant "air or empty" in Chinese. When combined with the character
"sky" in Chinese, it also means sky.


I think you mean Kanji (空) instead of Katakana?

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yup, thanks so much for pointing that out! i'm not too versed in Japanese

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:35:38 »
Dope set wish it was more weeby though, also deskmats kind of meh to me personally

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:55:26 »
I dont know if sublegend will fit the theme, but I personally would like to see alternative alpha kit with any sublegend. Katakana sublegend seems cool with this set. But I dont know if JTK offer Katakana sublegend.

Also, seeing open ICs of JTK with no firm GB date, do you consider to change to PBT?

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 01:20:56 »
Hawt! I am in!

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 01:51:30 »
it's nice!

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 01:56:36 »
I really like the colours. Novelties are beautiful. But yeah with it being a Japanese themed set I would perhaps like some hiragana/katakana sublegends.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 02:56:13 »
Appreciate the omission of japanese sublegends in any of the options, looks clean :thumb:

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 03:34:21 »
The novelties art especially the sunset reminds me of Sunsetter Keyboard's logo:


Anyways I agree, Sunset alphas is clean & lit especially combined with GMK WS2.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 04:40:45 »
Sublegends makes everything look messy, it looks clean rn

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 11:58:14 »
Na, moon symbols always look dope, and make any set better. Commie symbols too.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 12:04:08 »
those sunset alphas are

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I would love it if you made the sunset alphas into a whole second base kit tho. Or split the mods out from the base kit.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 12:09:44 »
Nice set overall. I like the colors and I'm interested to see if that gold turns out how you expect it to.
I appreciate the numpad included in base, would like to see 40's support though (1.75u backspace, 1.25u Tab, etc...)

GLWIC


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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 13:36:18 »
Love triple shot novelties.
This and the swiss cheese keyboard is the next generation of keyboards

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 14:45:06 »
I'd love to see a <> key for ISO support on the base kit.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 23:47:42 »
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I found it interesting because in Kanji, the same "sky" (空) character also meant "air or empty" in Chinese Hanzi. When combined with the character (天) in Chinese, it also means sky (天空).

I know it seems nitpicky but the way you word it is misleading.

First, "Kanji" is literally adopted logographic Chinese characters. "Kanji" is just the Japanese way of reading "Hanzi," even the characters are the same (漢字). It is natural they mean the same in both languages.

Second, (天空) means the same in Japanese and Chinese. However in Japanese, (天空) is generally reserved as a poetic phrase which explicitly refers to the sky. It is abbreviated to the singular character of sora, which strongly suggest that it is "sky," though it can be air or empty, depending on context (aside from kanji in conjunction). On the other hand in Chinese, (天空) strictly refers to the sky, and the singular character of (空) would refer to air or empty, but not the sky.

This is further cemented with Japanese using (空) for describing weather (how the sky is), while Chinese uses (天) for weather (alongside the shared meaning between the two languages, such as "heaven," "referring to something above," aside from Japanese using [日] in place of [天] when describing days, like "today" or "yesterday."). (天) can mean sky in Japanese as well, though it is rarely used out of again, poetic usage. Disclaimer that there are always exceptions and less commonly used phrases that can be used but not adequate. (Japanese usually has the unique phrases as it is a language built on Chinese.) This is also the tip of the iceberg, for Japanese is a poetic language with many, many specific expressions.


JP <> CN

Weather/Sky
空模様 <> 天气形势
空色 <> 天蓝色
大空 (poetic: 蒼穹) <> 天空 (天穹 云霄 穹苍)
晴れ(空)(poetic: 晴天) <> 晴天
青空 (poetic: 青天) <> 青天
曇り空 (poetic: 曇天) <> 阴天
昼(昼間) (poetic: 白昼) <> 白天
雨空 (poetic:雨天) <> No singular phrase applicable
凍て空 <> No singular phrase applicable
雪空 <> No singular phrase applicable
冬空 <> No singular phrase applicable
秋空 <> No singular phrase applicable
夕空 <> No singular phrase applicable

Same expression
夜空
上空







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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 27 December 2020, 22:16:23 »
hi everyone, been busy with the holidays so not a lot of updates. hope everyone else has enjoyed their holidays!

small update today:

my friend dany has helped done some new renders for the set- including one for the sunset kit (which is definitely lacking renders)
more renders will be on the way after the holidays.

reading the current feedback so far, i know some people are interested in sub-legends but i want to leave it without sub-legends for this set- especially since there are already two different alphas.

i am also heavily considering switching from the current UK-ISO support to more region-neutral ISO instead.


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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 28 December 2020, 00:49:25 »
Nice lookin set, colorway kind of reminds me of Tokino Sora or maybe I just watch too much hololive...

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 30 December 2020, 17:50:21 »
this set looks very nice! i like the colors on it a lot, the gold legends/mods is the only thing i might be slightly iffy about but it sets it apart from the other similar pastel-y sets

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 30 December 2020, 21:34:13 »
Nice lookin set, colorway kind of reminds me of Tokino Sora or maybe I just watch too much hololive...

there is no too much hololive....
only not enough....

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 30 December 2020, 23:19:31 »
I really really like the pastel-y colors!

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 04 January 2021, 10:46:05 »
Dope set wish it was more weeby though, also deskmats kind of meh to me personally
why u want more weeb smh

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 06 January 2021, 06:40:59 »
I'd buy :D

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 09 January 2021, 19:41:32 »
Hey Sauv! I'm really excited to see a set from you! I actually genuinely like this set and want to buy more sets from JTK so I will certainly be keeping up with this! GLWIC hope you get a lot of energy behind it! Talk to Lizcuits about renders too


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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 22:53:25 »
Sunset Alphas and novelties, big yes.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 15 January 2021, 10:54:52 »
would be great if you could have the modifiers and the alphas separately instead of one base kit, so i could get a whole sunset colours kit, I don't have the $ to get a whole base kit plus alphas when i'm not gonna use the blue alphas at all!

also if you were able to get a UK vendor that would be awesome, buying through the EU has become a lot more tricky with Brexit!

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update with new renders
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 23 January 2021, 20:05:29 »
would be great if you could have the modifiers and the alphas separately instead of one base kit, so i could get a whole sunset colours kit, I don't have the $ to get a whole base kit plus alphas when i'm not gonna use the blue alphas at all!

also if you were able to get a UK vendor that would be awesome, buying through the EU has become a lot more tricky with Brexit!

yeah, looking at the feedback so far, a lot of people want either one or the other! the modifier and alphas being separated into two is currently heavily considered.
and yep for sure, we have a UK vendor planned for this set at the moment in additional to an EU vendor.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update regarding kitting
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 23:28:24 »
really, really like this. might be because powder blue + peach pink + yellow is  my favorite color combo (so I'd better get it through my skull that they won't all be together when I only buy one kit) but I really like the novelties, too.

the only two things I could ask of this kit that would make me love it more would be kobe alphas and 40's compatability, but you could argue that would be my input about most anything with a theme of Japanese origin haha (just pls don't make the base kit hiragana sub, it looks great as is).

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - small update regarding kitting
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 08:58:24 »
Hi everyone, there haven’t been any updates in a while so this is a rather big one this time.
I’m happy to announce that we’ve found vendors for most of the regions!

In addition, I also have updated kitting and some more board renders in different lighting from Bachoo.
Compared with my physical color swatches, the new lighting makes the colors appear similar to that when under bright direct natural sunlight.

I’ve also received some help from the amazing Plop on how to format the post. Since the colors (the blue in particular) has shifted a bit in the new lighting,
Plop has also taken some better pictures of the colors for me than I can personally with my smartphone camera. Lots of thanks to Plop!

As for the kitting, after talking to JTK they didn’t seem that willing to do modular kitting with separated modifiers and alphas.
The options were to either stay with current kitting or for two base kits. Unfortunately, current kits are likely to remain the same since I’m not confident
in being able to run two separate base kits with this being my first set. JTK also does not have molds for non sub-legend numpad
so renders have been updated to reflect that, along with the HHKB backspace.

For more kitting changes, after reading the IC data, it seemed that people prefer separate spacebars more, so that has been changed from one big kit to 3 separate kits.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - Vendors announced, Kitting changes, New renders
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 25 February 2021, 19:48:08 »
That soft blue alongside the gold-on-white looks so refreshing. Really beautiful set.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - Vendors announced, Kitting changes, New renders
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 09:40:14 »
This is a great set Sauv, very dreamy, kinda my aesthetic.
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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - Vendors announced, Kitting changes, New renders
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 28 February 2021, 18:42:36 »
That soft blue alongside the gold-on-white looks so refreshing. Really beautiful set.

This is a great set Sauv, very dreamy, kinda my aesthetic.

thank you! :)


hi everyone, recently some friends over at zFrontier have told me they thought the board renders were a bit bright. i've gone and updated the post with some in a render lighting similar to
shaded indoors natural lighting vs the ones done by bachoo similar to direct natural light

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - Vendors announced, Kitting changes, New renders
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 02 March 2021, 00:34:49 »
I want two base version instead of the sunset one is only limited to alpha

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - Vendors announced, Kitting changes, New renders
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 03 March 2021, 11:51:50 »
yes yes genshin based yes yes

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - Vendors announced, Kitting changes, New renders
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 05 March 2021, 19:22:49 »
I want two base version instead of the sunset one is only limited to alpha

That would be the best option for everyone but unfortunately, with the much higher MOQ of previous run JTK sets (compared to GMK),
I can't commit to that with this being my first set (since two base kits would double MOQ). However with the higher MOQ of JTK,
that does comes with a lower cost to everyone, so the separate alpha should be much more affordable compared to separate alphas of GMK.

One of my vendors has submitted the set for quotes from JTK, so we'll be able to see how much the kits should be expected to cost for everyone soon!

With that said, I will definitely do this option though for future runs of the set if there's enough interest for another run in the future.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 06 March 2021, 20:24:20 »
Definitely interested in base kit. :)

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - New Deskmats
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 10 March 2021, 21:16:03 »
Hi everyone, another update here!

Regarding group buy pricing and date- we're still waiting to hear back from JTK.
However, I'm excited to show you all some deskmats my friend bubbletea has been working on
the past few months. I know a lot of people were unhappy with the original deskmats, so hopefully
everyone will be able to enjoy a deskmat for the set, with these amazing additional two.

Zion Studios is also now a vendor- for our Filipino friends!

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - New Deskmats
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 10 March 2021, 22:05:09 »
Loving the sunset alphas!

Just wondering if it would be possible for you to do a render with the black Fuji65? I'm not quite sure how I feel about pastel colors on a black board so I would really appreciate it if you could. 🙏

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - New Deskmats
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 00:53:31 »
Loving the sunset alphas!

Just wondering if it would be possible for you to do a render with the black Fuji65? I'm not quite sure how I feel about pastel colors on a black board so I would really appreciate it if you could. 🙏

No problem, here it is. :) I'm happy to do other renders on different colors as well for anyone else who might be interested.

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Re: [IC] JTK Sora - New Deskmats
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 10:18:29 »
That looks amazing, I'll definitely get myself a set!

Although the novelties do look a bit lackluster...
Since the set is inspired by the sky maybe you could replace it with clouds or something? ..though I'll probably still get it even if it stays the same  ;D
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