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Off Topic / Re: AI music chart-topper
« Last post by akutsage1 on Tue, 25 November 2025, 03:48:33 »
I feel like stories like this are part of a concerted PR strategy to give the impression AI music is desirable and popular. People in power are DESPERATE for AI to succeed because they’ve bet the farm on it
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Interest Checks / Re: [IC] MB-44 v2 - A Fun 40% Keyboard Refreshed
« Last post by Tama Yamada on Tue, 25 November 2025, 02:55:56 »
I've placed an order before I saw your reply, but thanks!
Looking forward to having it in my hands. ;)
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Interest Checks / Re: [IC] GMK Combobreaker
« Last post by VXQN on Tue, 25 November 2025, 02:49:01 »
Any chance you could change the legend color on the accents? I always feel like U9 on [color] just doesn't look as good as L9 or even CP — it just looks a little dull.
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New Members / Re: Self-introduction
« Last post by Felix Hu on Tue, 25 November 2025, 02:47:09 »
hi Carl, happy to know you, I'm new to join too. keep in touch. :thumb:
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New Members / Re: Welcome new members!
« Last post by Felix Hu on Tue, 25 November 2025, 02:37:15 »
new to come here, hope to become happier not poorer ;D
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Input Devices / Re: Microsoft Trackball Explorer vs Kensington Expert vs Elecom HUGE.
« Last post by Stupidface on Tue, 25 November 2025, 00:48:02 »
The trackman Marble FX I'm referring to is this one.

Thank you for the clarification. [tips hat] 


After seeing the video of Eric S Raymond on the Tech Syndicate youtube channel,

I think I found the video here:


Great stuff.  There are some nice lingering shots of a grey-corded, PS/2, T-CL13/Logitech TrackMan Marble+ (the "+" indicates the addition of a scroll wheel) at the 7:38-7:45 mark.  I recognised it because I used its white-corded, USB connector successor (the T-BB13) for many years.  There were times when I wanted to have a comparatively inexpensive spare on hand for travel and connecting an active PS/2-USB adapter to a T-CL13 effectively gets you a T-BB13, but for less money.

Any road, I am grateful to you for mentioning the video because…well, I’ll see if I can explain.

Yonks ago, Eric S. Raymond wrote this webpage:

http://www.catb.org/esr/trackman-conversion/

On it, he talks about how the three-button Trackman T-CL11 is a near-perfect pointing device whose ergonomics are unmatched, then goes on to moan about Logitech adding a scroll wheel, putting a switch in it, and having it serve as a middle button on subsequent Trackman models. 

The problem (according to him, at least) is that this change makes possible to accidentally scroll-click when you mean to click.  So two button + clickable scroll wheel models are a “deal-killer” (again, according to him).  As the page shows, he put a lot of work into attempting to update his three-button, PS/2 trackball to a USB device.

And now, ages later, I see a video that shows him using… a T-CL13 Trackman with scrollwheel.  Interesting - I wonder what prompted him to change his view?

and his logitech thumball, I decided to get one of them for myself. Obviously it had to be an ebay item shipped from the US.

And that's how you ended up with the Logitech M570, is that right?


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Interest Checks / Re: [IC] GMK HASRO/SAV Add-on kit - Vendors Announced
« Last post by Seunghyun Lee on Mon, 24 November 2025, 23:40:22 »
so sad it didn't came with split pipe
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Interest Checks / Re: [IC] GMK Combobreaker
« Last post by Forvitni on Mon, 24 November 2025, 23:05:16 »
are the windows keys pad printed or double shot?
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Interest Checks / Re: [IC] MB-44 v2 - A Fun 40% Keyboard Refreshed
« Last post by Yushakobo on Mon, 24 November 2025, 20:36:40 »
Hey our fully built prototype board weights around 950grams - if that helps you.

Hi again.

One more question.
How much is the overall weight of the board?
I hope it has enough weight so it doesn't slide on the desk. ;)
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