I'd really like to be able to grab a couple base kits
So you would like to exclude a bunch of people by leaving out numpad and ISO just so you can pick up a couple of base kits to flip. Nice man.
How is making a separate kit for numpad/iso "excluding?" They would still be able to get the keys they need.
And let's be real "a bunch of people" is a bit of a stretch.
Is having a separate 40s/ortho kit "excluding" 40% users? You aren't even making sense. With the different child kits here I think this set can work on a number of very different levels that I really like, and I'd like to be able to use it on more than one board. I just love the colorway, and I'd like to be able to get all the kits I want without breaking the bank.
I could argue that including numpad/iso in the base kit is "excluding" ansi/tkl/75%/65%/60% users etc. by making them all pay extra for a bunch of keys they don't need just to bring down the cost of numpad/iso a bit for the few people who need it. Calling it "excluding" wouldn't really make sense, though.
I'm not saying "forget them," because I'd probably grab the kit myself just for the extra coverage incase I ever need it. I just dont want 2 sets of iso and numpad. This interest check already seems to have a lot of hype around it. I'm pretty sure that a numpad/iso kit would make MOQ just fine.
Also, while I'm genuinely not interested in "flipping" some base kits, I really don't see a problem with purchasing extras in an unlimited groupbuy that you think will be popular enough to make some money on. Even vendors buy extras and charge a significant markup for the extra kits. If I was looking to flip some base kits the addition of a numpad really wouldn't affect my bottom line very significantly, based on how ridiculous the aftermarket prices on certain popular sets can get. You could always charge a little more for a large base kit with lots of coverage.
Either way, like I said, I don't really see a problem with such practices in an unlimited run group buy. It's not at all the same as having a bunch of bots get you a couple spots for a tgr board or something that you don't even want, thus keeping others from having a fair chance at getting one and then flipping them for an exorbitant profit.
It's not even comparable to the "future crime" you're acusing me of, Tom Cruise.
Quit acting like I'm oppressing people or something. You sound paranoid.
It was a simple suggestion.
And a ****ty suggestion at that. It's pretty stupid to feel so entitled that you think you deserve to buy 2 base kits at a lower price whilst forcing other users to pay more to just be able to fill 1 board they use.
You are correct, excluding is the wrong word in your example because it makes no ****ing sense. In the case of pushing ISO and numpad out into it's own kit is excluding if it does not make MOQ and does not get manufactured.
The beauty of GMK sets is being able to cover pretty much every conceivable layout with a base kit. Imagine if all GMK sets were just the stupid 65%, TKL, etc "sets" they are now doing on Massdrop like for red samurai.
Mod edit: Why you have to be mad
Keep tone civil, or warnings are going to be issued
Entitled? I'm just asking you to consider the needs of people like me. There's no expectation that this set, or anything, should be catered to my every whim, and to clarify, I want to pay less for ONE kit, as I'm sure many people do. Pointing out my specific case of considering multiple base kits just highlights the issues associated with having that much coverage included in the base kit. Moving some of the less used coverage to it's own kits (ex. Jamon, Striker) can bring the base kit down from around $140 to a cool $100.
Again, it could be counter-argued that you are the entitled one by expecting others to pay 40% more just so you can get what you want. In the example of Striker, 728 base kits were sold. Of those only 200 people actually wanted numberpads. To put that in context, that's almost the same amount of people who wanted 40%/orthodox coverage (197), generally considered a niche of a niche. More people bought spacebar kits than numberpads (271).
I think those numbers also pretty thoroughly disprove that "the beauty of gmk sets is coverage." I'm fairly new to the hobby, but even with my relative lack of experience in the community I'd say that the beauty of gmk sets are colors, quality, and profile, not coverage you can get that anywhere and for much cheaper.
I'm not trying to dump on iso either, if they can't make moq I don't care if that's included in the base kit. The main issue for me is cost and numberpad being put on it's own will help more significantly with that.
In the example of Jamon, according to the numbers on the massdrop page, 846 base kits were sold. Of those, 250 numpads and only 23 ISO kits were sold. A literal meme kit, "the eñe survival kit," sold 137 units. In this example the base kit+numpad+iso would run you around $154. If it were all thrown together in a base kit, based on my limited experience, it would probably be in the ballpark of $140.
So you're calling me entitled for simply asking if the core kit can be leaned down a bit to cut cost for the vast majority of users, but you're expecting everyone else to pay an extra $40 so you and a few other people can save $14? I really must be a stupid ****ing American because that makes no sense to me, unless you're incredibly entitled.
I'll stop here because I'm not trying to totally muddy up the thread. I felt the need to explain myself clearly, though, because apparently asking questions about putting iso/numpad in a separate kit triggers some people quite violently.
I'm just really excited for such a beautiful set and it would be nice to pay what I consider a more reasonable price for it. Also, thanks for making that feedback form, much appreciated.